Hello all,

I've been looking for a larger mixer than the 4.5 qt KA we have (it's
15-20 yrs old). Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
might want to know a little about it. It's been used only for one
batch (2 loaves) of bread dough ---very limited experience.

-Has an automatic timer up to 15 minutes. Convenient for kneading the
bread dough.
-1000 watts, at least that's what the nameplate says. A good bit more
power than my 4.5 quart KA.
-A little noisier than the KA but at 3X the power, that's ok.
-Doesn't 'walk' while kneading, the way our KA does.
-The top lifts off to reveal two accessory connections; moderate speed
and high speed (blender, food processor, other?). A third, low-speed
port on the front. I might get the meat grinder attachment later, I
like the idea of home-ground beef and homemade sausage.
-Bowl *holds* a little more than 7 quarts, but the amount it can
actually *mix* is around 5 quarts. Reason: The top of the beater is
down inside the bowl, not slightly above the bowl like the KA. I
don't expect to mix large volumes of material, I mainly wanted
something with more oomph than the 4.5 qt. It did mix two loaves'
worth of bread dough without a hiccup.
-Tall narrow bowl takes up less room in the fridge when chilling the
bowl or its contents. A big plus for our fridge.
-Bowl has handles!! (KA does not, it's hard to remove that bowl after
a kneading session.)
-The paddle and dough hook are anodized aluminum. Better than the 6qt
KA (chrome plated? at least the one I use in the lab is) but not as
good as the 5 qt and 4.5 qt KA (plastic coated). I expect the
anodizing to wear off somewhat with use, while the plastic-coated
paddle of our KA is still good after 15+ years.
-The dough hook is definitely more effective for mixing than the hook
on the 4.5 qt KA.
-Each of the three beaters can be adjusted for optimum height. Depth.
Whatever. On the KA that adjustment is on the mixer head and so is
the same for all three beaters.
-Tilt-head, not bowl-lift. I've used both and prefer the tilt but
that's a personal preference.
-The clear plastic splashguard WORKS, is convenient, and is easy to
clean (one piece).
-About the same price as the 6 quart KA on eBay. (Actually a bit less,
got mine for only $320.)
-Only one color, silver. And here I had my heart set on royal blue.
Ah well.
-Comes with a DVD which I have yet to watch, but is probably much
better than an instruction manual.
-Lifetime? Time will tell.

Overall it seems to have been a worthwhile purchase IMHO.

Hope someone finds this useful -- Terry

On 2009-05-18, Terry > wrote:

> 15-20 yrs old). Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
> might want to know a little about it.

As Sheldon once pointed out, these power ratings (1000W) are misleading.
Your mixer looks suspiciously like a newer version Kenwood. These mixers
have 2 sets of right angle gears as opposed to only one set in the KA.
Right angle gears are horribly inefficient and waste lots of power. I'm not
saying your mixer is bad, just the power rating being not that big a deal.

I have a Kenwood with the 3 speed take-offs and I love it. Great machines.
I just wish I could find more attachments. I know that Kenwood had, at one
time, as many as 21 attachments, but where to find them.

I wonder if the Cuisinart attachments would fit my Kenwood:

http://tinyurl.com/o6645r

nb

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2009-05-18, Terry > wrote:
>
>> 15-20 yrs old). Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
>> might want to know a little about it.
>
> As Sheldon once pointed out, these power ratings (1000W) are misleading.
> Your mixer looks suspiciously like a newer version Kenwood. These mixers
> have 2 sets of right angle gears as opposed to only one set in the KA.
> Right angle gears are horribly inefficient and waste lots of power. I'm
> not
> saying your mixer is bad, just the power rating being not that big a deal.
>
> I have a Kenwood with the 3 speed take-offs and I love it. Great
> machines.
> I just wish I could find more attachments. I know that Kenwood had, at
> one
> time, as many as 21 attachments, but where to find them.
>
> I wonder if the Cuisinart attachments would fit my Kenwood:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/o6645r
>
> nb

I agree, some of the parts, like the dough hook, look suspiciously like the
Kenwood. However, it's made in (Surprise! Surprise!) China.
DeLonghi took over Kenwood.
AIUI the old Kenwood factory makes the Viking mixer
http://www.chefsresource.com/vistmi7li3co.html

Kenwood brought out a new model in the 80s (I think) and I thought of
upgrading but the power take-offs had changed so that none of my accessories
would have fitted.

I have an old Kenwood (40+ years old) with several attachments including a
cream maker! I think that the speed control is faulty as the slow speeds
seem a little high but it is otherwise still going strong.

A recent Cook's Illustrated spoke *very* highly of the Cuisinart.

The latest Consumer Reports reckons that KA mixers are still the best but
judging by comments on various newsgroups, one wonders what they could have
been smoking (perhaps the KA motors burning out).

"Terry" > wrote in message
...
> Hello all,
>
> I've been looking for a larger mixer than the 4.5 qt KA we have (it's
> 15-20 yrs old). Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
> might want to know a little about it. It's been used only for one
> batch (2 loaves) of bread dough ---very limited experience.
>
> -Has an automatic timer up to 15 minutes. Convenient for kneading the
> bread dough.
> -1000 watts, at least that's what the nameplate says. A good bit more
> power than my 4.5 quart KA.
> -A little noisier than the KA but at 3X the power, that's ok.
> -Doesn't 'walk' while kneading, the way our KA does.
> -The top lifts off to reveal two accessory connections; moderate speed
> and high speed (blender, food processor, other?). A third, low-speed
> port on the front. I might get the meat grinder attachment later, I
> like the idea of home-ground beef and homemade sausage.
> -Bowl *holds* a little more than 7 quarts, but the amount it can
> actually *mix* is around 5 quarts. Reason: The top of the beater is
> down inside the bowl, not slightly above the bowl like the KA. I
> don't expect to mix large volumes of material, I mainly wanted
> something with more oomph than the 4.5 qt. It did mix two loaves'
> worth of bread dough without a hiccup.
> -Tall narrow bowl takes up less room in the fridge when chilling the
> bowl or its contents. A big plus for our fridge.
> -Bowl has handles!! (KA does not, it's hard to remove that bowl after
> a kneading session.)
> -The paddle and dough hook are anodized aluminum. Better than the 6qt
> KA (chrome plated? at least the one I use in the lab is) but not as
> good as the 5 qt and 4.5 qt KA (plastic coated). I expect the
> anodizing to wear off somewhat with use, while the plastic-coated
> paddle of our KA is still good after 15+ years.
> -The dough hook is definitely more effective for mixing than the hook
> on the 4.5 qt KA.
> -Each of the three beaters can be adjusted for optimum height. Depth.
> Whatever. On the KA that adjustment is on the mixer head and so is
> the same for all three beaters.
> -Tilt-head, not bowl-lift. I've used both and prefer the tilt but
> that's a personal preference.
> -The clear plastic splashguard WORKS, is convenient, and is easy to
> clean (one piece).
> -About the same price as the 6 quart KA on eBay. (Actually a bit less,
> got mine for only $320.)
> -Only one color, silver. And here I had my heart set on royal blue.
> Ah well.
> -Comes with a DVD which I have yet to watch, but is probably much
> better than an instruction manual.
> -Lifetime? Time will tell.
>
> Overall it seems to have been a worthwhile purchase IMHO.
>
> Hope someone finds this useful -- Terry

A recent Cook's Illustrated spoke *very* highly of the Cuisinart.

On May 18, 10:20*am, notbob > wrote:
> On 2009-05-18, Terry > wrote:
>
> > 15-20 yrs old). *Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
> > might want to know a little about it.
>
> As Sheldon once pointed out, these power ratings (1000W) are misleading.
> Your mixer looks suspiciously like a newer version Kenwood. *These mixers
> have 2 sets of right angle gears as opposed to only one set in the KA.
> Right angle gears are horribly inefficient and waste lots of power. *I'm not
> saying your mixer is bad, just the power rating being not that big a deal..
>
> I have a Kenwood with the 3 speed take-offs and I love it. *Great machines.
> I just wish I could find more attachments. *I know that Kenwood had, at one
> time, as many as 21 attachments, but where to find them.
>
> I wonder if the Cuisinart attachments would fit my Kenwood:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/o6645r
>
> nb

Enter your "wants" at Ebay, and you'll get e-mails if any attachments
show up.

N.

On May 18, 10:39*am, Terry > wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been looking for a larger mixer than the 4.5 qt KA we have (it's
> 15-20 yrs old). *Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
> might want to know a little about it. *It's been used only for one
> batch (2 loaves) of bread dough ---very limited experience.
>
> -Has an automatic timer up to 15 minutes. *Convenient for kneading the
> bread dough.
> -1000 watts, at least that's what the nameplate says. *A good bit more
> power than my 4.5 quart KA.
> -A little noisier than the KA but at 3X the power, that's ok.
> -Doesn't 'walk' while kneading, the way our KA does.
> -The top lifts off to reveal two accessory connections; moderate speed
> and high speed (blender, food processor, other?). *A third, low-speed
> port on the front. *I might get the meat grinder attachment later, I
> like the idea of home-ground beef and homemade sausage.
> -Bowl *holds* a little more than 7 quarts, but the amount it can
> actually *mix* is around 5 quarts. *Reason: *The top of the beater is
> down inside the bowl, not slightly above the bowl like the KA. *I
> don't expect to mix large volumes of material, I mainly wanted
> something with more oomph than the 4.5 qt. *It did mix two loaves'
> worth of bread dough without a hiccup.
> -Tall narrow bowl takes up less room in the fridge when chilling the
> bowl or its contents. *A big plus for our fridge.
> -Bowl has handles!! (KA does not, it's hard to remove that bowl after
> a kneading session.)
> -The paddle and dough hook are anodized aluminum. *Better than the 6qt
> KA (chrome plated? at least the one I use in the lab is) but not as
> good as the 5 qt and 4.5 qt KA (plastic coated). *I expect the
> anodizing to wear off somewhat with use, while the plastic-coated
> paddle of our KA is still good after 15+ years.
> -The dough hook is definitely more effective for mixing than the hook
> on the 4.5 qt KA.
> -Each of the three beaters can be adjusted for optimum height. *Depth.
> Whatever. *On the KA that adjustment is on the mixer head and so is
> the same for all three beaters.
> -Tilt-head, not bowl-lift. *I've used both and prefer the tilt but
> that's a personal preference.
> -The clear plastic splashguard WORKS, is convenient, and is easy to
> clean (one piece). *
> -About the same price as the 6 quart KA on eBay. (Actually a bit less,
> got mine for only $320.)
> -Only one color, silver. *And here I had my heart set on royal blue.
> Ah well.
> -Comes with a DVD which I have yet to watch, but is probably much
> better than an instruction manual.
> -Lifetime? *Time will tell.
>
> Overall it seems to have been a worthwhile purchase IMHO.
>
> Hope someone finds this useful -- Terry

All I can say is, I won't ever buy another Cuisinart product. My
waffle iron developed a new problem. The knob on the temperature
setting control fell off. Took it apart and noted the lousy way the
control was designed - too much play in it. It was a lever which had
bends in the middle.

I managed to Superglue the knob back on but now it seems that the top
section is not as hot as the bottom. I'm having to turn the waffle
over to get it evenly cooked.

The cord is not as long as it should be to reach the holes where you
are supposed to insert the male plug for storage. The holes don't
even 'receive' the male plug. What should I have expected from a Made
In China deal. I'll learn yet.

"notbob" wrote:
> Terry wrote:
>
>> Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
>> might want to know a little about it.
>
> As Sheldon once pointed out, these power ratings (1000W) are misleading.
>

Wattage is a measurement of power *consumed*, NOT power produced[period]

With these type of mixers the higher the wattage rating the the higher the
ratio of heat to shaft horsepower produced... as rpms decrease and
resistance increases (as with mixing dough) so does efficiency decrease and
wattage consumption increase, because they have no transmission, they have
an electronic speed control, essentially it's a dimmer switch. These style
of stand mixers are in fact hair driers disguised as mixers.

Folks buy these style of mixers solely because they like the retro look, the
designer colors, and they want to feel like a real baker as they go about
making their widdle one or two loaves with their widdle toys r us mixer.
Anyone who is not so physically incapacitated that they can knead dough for
a couple-three widdle one pound loaves by hand does not need this style of
stand mixer... not unless they want something that would best be made into
brightly colored retro look lamp. The typical home oven can't bake more
than like 3 one pound loaves at once, so there is no point in mixing more
dough than one has facility to bake, that's what real bakers do... they mix
another batch a bit later so that their baking is staggered. I know that if
I were baking bread at home I wouldn't want more than like two loaves of
bread of the same recipe... were I wanting to bake more loaves I'd certainly
make a different style of bread for the next batch... wouldn't six loaves of
white bread get boring?

All a home cook really needs is two good hands for kneading dough, and a
quality hand mixer for everything else... yoose don't need any stinkin'
stand mixer, not unless you're physically handicapped. Btw, no machine yet
devised is capable of kneading dough better than the human hand... hand
kneaded dough by the most inexperinced dough kneader is at least 400% better
than can be kneaded by any machine... anyone can learn to knead dough...
anyone who can masturbate can knead dough. hehe

It's really a major indication of low IQedness to buy a mixer by Wattage
rating... anyone who is desirous of a home mixer with the highest Wattage
rating would also be desirous of wanting a family automobile with the
highest GPM rating.

Terry's old KA is a far superior machine in every way possible than that
shiny new acquisition... if Terry is a guy he has the mentality that wishes
his dick were bigger, not that he could last longer... size ain't
everything, what good is a ten inch kielbasa with a two minute fuse... yoose
gals know what I mean... you'll still have to knead it by hand! LOL

> wrote in message
...
On May 18, 10:39 am, Terry > wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I've been looking for a larger mixer than the 4.5 qt KA we have (it's
> 15-20 yrs old). Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
> might want to know a little about it. It's been used only for one
> batch (2 loaves) of bread dough ---very limited experience.
>
> -Has an automatic timer up to 15 minutes. Convenient for kneading the
> bread dough.
> -1000 watts, at least that's what the nameplate says. A good bit more
> power than my 4.5 quart KA.
> -A little noisier than the KA but at 3X the power, that's ok.
> -Doesn't 'walk' while kneading, the way our KA does.
> -The top lifts off to reveal two accessory connections; moderate speed
> and high speed (blender, food processor, other?). A third, low-speed
> port on the front. I might get the meat grinder attachment later, I
> like the idea of home-ground beef and homemade sausage.
> -Bowl *holds* a little more than 7 quarts, but the amount it can
> actually *mix* is around 5 quarts. Reason: The top of the beater is
> down inside the bowl, not slightly above the bowl like the KA. I
> don't expect to mix large volumes of material, I mainly wanted
> something with more oomph than the 4.5 qt. It did mix two loaves'
> worth of bread dough without a hiccup.
> -Tall narrow bowl takes up less room in the fridge when chilling the
> bowl or its contents. A big plus for our fridge.
> -Bowl has handles!! (KA does not, it's hard to remove that bowl after
> a kneading session.)
> -The paddle and dough hook are anodized aluminum. Better than the 6qt
> KA (chrome plated? at least the one I use in the lab is) but not as
> good as the 5 qt and 4.5 qt KA (plastic coated). I expect the
> anodizing to wear off somewhat with use, while the plastic-coated
> paddle of our KA is still good after 15+ years.
> -The dough hook is definitely more effective for mixing than the hook
> on the 4.5 qt KA.
> -Each of the three beaters can be adjusted for optimum height. Depth.
> Whatever. On the KA that adjustment is on the mixer head and so is
> the same for all three beaters.
> -Tilt-head, not bowl-lift. I've used both and prefer the tilt but
> that's a personal preference.
> -The clear plastic splashguard WORKS, is convenient, and is easy to
> clean (one piece).
> -About the same price as the 6 quart KA on eBay. (Actually a bit less,
> got mine for only $320.)
> -Only one color, silver. And here I had my heart set on royal blue.
> Ah well.
> -Comes with a DVD which I have yet to watch, but is probably much
> better than an instruction manual.
> -Lifetime? Time will tell.
>
> Overall it seems to have been a worthwhile purchase IMHO.
>
> Hope someone finds this useful -- Terry

All I can say is, I won't ever buy another Cuisinart product. My
waffle iron developed a new problem. The knob on the temperature
setting control fell off. Took it apart and noted the lousy way the
control was designed - too much play in it. It was a lever which had
bends in the middle.

I managed to Superglue the knob back on but now it seems that the top
section is not as hot as the bottom. I'm having to turn the waffle
over to get it evenly cooked.

The cord is not as long as it should be to reach the holes where you
are supposed to insert the male plug for storage. The holes don't
even 'receive' the male plug. What should I have expected from a Made
In China deal. I'll learn yet.
__________________________________________________ ______
My Cuisinart food processor is about 15 years old and I have used it many,
many times to make bread dough, often overloading it so that the motor began
to stink! It's still going strong despite the apparent maltreatment. Mind
you, it was made in Japan!
However, these days just about *everything* is made there so you don't have
much of a choice!

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> "notbob" wrote:
> All a home cook really needs is two good hands for kneading dough, and a
> quality hand mixer for everything else... yoose don't need any stinkin'
> stand mixer, not unless you're physically handicapped. Btw, no machine
> yet devised is capable of kneading dough better than the human hand...
> hand kneaded dough by the most inexperinced dough kneader is at least 400%
> better than can be kneaded by any machine... anyone can learn to knead
> dough... anyone who can masturbate can knead dough. hehe
>

You know, you can get over-the-counter remedies for dyspepsia!

On 2009-05-18, graham > wrote:

> AIUI the old Kenwood factory makes the Viking mixer

The heritage is unmistakable. I'd consider one if I knew how to bake!
Maybe if I ever get my wood burning pizza oven perfected.

> A recent Cook's Illustrated spoke *very* highly of the Cuisinart.

CI is an ad whore. They'd speak highly of Hitler if it would boost
subscriptions.

> The latest Consumer Reports reckons that KA mixers are still the best but
> judging by comments on various newsgroups, one wonders what they could have
> been smoking (perhaps the KA motors burning out).

CR sucks, too!

nb

On 2009-05-18, graham > wrote:

> You know, you can get over-the-counter remedies for dyspepsia!

Yeah, but there's no easy remedy for Shel-shock!

nb

"graham cracker" wrote:
> "brooklyn1" wrote:
>> "notbob" wrote:
>>
>> All a home cook really needs is two good hands for kneading dough, and a
>> quality hand mixer for everything else... yoose don't need any stinkin'
>> stand mixer, not unless you're physically handicapped. Btw, no machine
>> yet devised is capable of kneading dough better than the human hand...
>> hand kneaded dough by the most inexperinced dough kneader is at least
>> 400% better than can be kneaded by any machine... anyone can learn to
>> knead dough... anyone who can masturbate can knead dough. hehe
>>
>
> You know, you can get over-the-counter remedies for dyspepsia!
>
Which do you use... I bet Preparation H.

On Mon, 18 May 2009 15:20:46 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2009-05-18, Terry > wrote:
>
>> 15-20 yrs old). Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
>> might want to know a little about it.
>
>As Sheldon once pointed out, these power ratings (1000W) are misleading.
>Your mixer looks suspiciously like a newer version Kenwood. These mixers
>have 2 sets of right angle gears as opposed to only one set in the KA.
>Right angle gears are horribly inefficient and waste lots of power. I'm not
>saying your mixer is bad, just the power rating being not that big a deal.
>
>I have a Kenwood with the 3 speed take-offs and I love it. Great machines.
>I just wish I could find more attachments. I know that Kenwood had, at one
>time, as many as 21 attachments, but where to find them.
>
>I wonder if the Cuisinart attachments would fit my Kenwood:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/o6645r
>
>nb

We just bought a KA 600 Series 6 Quart 575W mixer, I find that this
one doesn't waddle around the counter top when making dough like the
400W Accolade did.

On Mon, 18 May 2009 17:34:07 GMT, "brooklyn1"
> wrote:

>"notbob" wrote:
>> Terry wrote:
>>
>>> Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
>>> might want to know a little about it.
>>
>> As Sheldon once pointed out, these power ratings (1000W) are misleading.
>>
>
>Wattage is a measurement of power *consumed*, NOT power produced[period]

Thank you, Shelton.

In article >,
Terry > wrote:

> On Mon, 18 May 2009 17:34:07 GMT, "brooklyn1"
> > wrote:
>
> >"notbob" wrote:
> >> Terry wrote:
> >>
> >>> Finally decided on a Cuisinart SM70 and thought you
> >>> might want to know a little about it.
> >>
> >> As Sheldon once pointed out, these power ratings (1000W) are misleading.
> >>
> >
> >Wattage is a measurement of power *consumed*, NOT power produced[period]
>
> Thank you, Shelton.

Goodnight, Sheldon.

Of course, power consumed should relate directly to power produced. The
electric motor wasn't invented yesterday.

Still, if it doesn't, how should we measure it? Life just gets more
complicated.

Sorry about your period, Sheldon.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

"graham" > wrote in message
...
<snip>

> A recent Cook's Illustrated spoke *very* highly of the Cuisinart.

I've had my KA for over 20 years. I can no longer knead dough due to chronic
wrist pain, so I use the KA a LOT to make bread - I refuse to shell out for
store-bought bread, for the most part. My KA, which is probably only about
5 qts or so, has never "walked", the motor has never lugged, and it seems
pretty much as good today as the day I bought it. I use the pasta making
attachments and the food grinder from time to time. Given my
less-than-wonderful experiences with my Cuisinart food processor, I'd be
highly suspect of buying their mixer. Then again, things were made better
when I bought my KA mixer, so maybe most everything in my price range is
crap now (?)

TammyM

"TammyM" > wrote in message
...
>
> "graham" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>
>> A recent Cook's Illustrated spoke *very* highly of the Cuisinart.
>
> I've had my KA for over 20 years. I can no longer knead dough due to
> chronic wrist pain, so I use the KA a LOT to make bread - I refuse to
> shell out for store-bought bread, for the most part. My KA, which is
> probably only about 5 qts or so, has never "walked", the motor has never
> lugged, and it seems pretty much as good today as the day I bought it. I
> use the pasta making attachments and the food grinder from time to time.
> Given my less-than-wonderful experiences with my Cuisinart food processor,
> I'd be highly suspect of buying their mixer. Then again, things were made
> better when I bought my KA mixer, so maybe most everything in my price
> range is crap now (?)
>
When the price of an appliance remains stable for a very long time, despite
inflation, you have to wonder if the quality has been compromised.