On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:57:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kane
> wrote:

>On Jun 2, 10:31*am, wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:10:49 -0700 (PDT), John Kane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >On Jun 2, 9:38*am, Andy > wrote:
>> >> Dave Smith said...
>>
>> >> > Let's face it, passports are completely unnecessary for land travel
>> >> > across the Canada-US border.
>>
>> >> Dave,
>>
>> >> I'd disagree with you on that point.
>>
>> >> I had a girlfriend (after the fact) who fled to the Dominican Republic with
>> >> her dad and others involved in an embezzlement scheme. Waited out the
>> >> statute of limitations living like royalty on stolen money and then re-
>> >> entered the US.
>>
>> >> She's not allowed to have a passport (a luxury, not a right) as a result.
>> >> She's a prisoner of America! I wouldn't want her pulling a stunt like that
>> >> again and waltz into Canada or where ever else for that matter.
>>
>> >Isn't this something *close to a violation of Article 13(2) of the
>> >Universal Declaration of Human?
>>
>> >Article 13.
>> >•(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence
>> >within the borders of each state.
>> >•(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own,
>> >and to return to his country.
>>
>> >http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
>>
>> >Refusing the woman a passport seems to be effectively a violation of 14
>> >(2).
>>
>> >John Kane Kingston ON Canada
>>
>> Please John, the US authorities don't worry about such things, just
>> look a Guantanamo
>
>Presumably the woman in question in an American citizen. This seems
>to make a difference in the US justice system. And presumably she has
>her feet on US terra firma.
>
>John Kane Kingston ON Canada


John, remember that even US citizens are held there.

l, not -l wrote:

> How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
> passing through Canada to get to the US? Even if you could tell by looking,
> our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims.
> Same applies to other unfriendlies, such as the French; we can't exclude
> french speaking people 'cause some are Canadians.

How would you recognize an unfriendly foreigner? The passport tells
nothing about their intentions.

> We are stuck with looking at passports to keep out as many of the
> unfriendlies as we can identify. You nice Canadian folk don't need to do
> that because the muslim wacko's haven't yet targeted your country - yet.

You have a cast criminal database that it linked to foreign databases.
All they need is a valid ID with name and date of birth and they can
search the database.

FWIW. There are a lot of Canadian and American citizens of convenience.
Holding a Canadian or American passport enables people to travel to a
lot of countries without the visas they would need if they held
passports from their native countries. When Israel attacked Lebanon
last year we ended up having to rescue 50,000 "Canadians". They had come
to Canada to take advantage of a special program for refugees of the
conflict there but then turned around and moved back to Lebanon. They
don't live here, don't pay taxes here, have no real connection to
Canada, but they have Canadian passports and expected us to help them
out because they are Canadian citizens, if only on paper. It is not
only Lebanese who are doing it, and the same is happening in the US.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 17:07:52 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

wrote:
>
>Which border would that be?
--
>Cheers
>Chatty Cathy - who thinks Stu needs to remember that this an
>international *cooking* group...

If they were reading the thread, they'd know that the conversation was
about the United States of America and Canadian border there Chatty

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:04:18 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>Funny, I just now remembered, at Expo 67 in Montreal, every country's
>pavilion would stamp an Expo "passport" with their country's stamp. I
>remember it being very exciting and a prized memento.
>
>Andy

Still have mine

ChattyCathy wrote:

> *Real* Maple syrup............
>
> (imagining pouring some and enjoying)

We have that in the US, too. Several northern states are known
for their maple syrup, especially Vermont.

nancy

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:53:39 GMT, "l, not -l" > wrote:

>
>On 2-Jun-2009, wrote:
>
>> I don't know how you feel about it but I resent that we as your
>> neighbour have to produce passports to cross the border we have been
>> doing so as friends and neighbours for over a 100 years. It makes us
>> feel as though we're the enemy you want to keep out and not your
>> neighbours. Think about it.
>
>How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
>passing through Canada to get to the US? Even if you could tell by looking,
>our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims.
>Same applies to other unfriendlies, such as the French; we can't exclude
>french speaking people 'cause some are Canadians.
>
>We are stuck with looking at passports to keep out as many of the
>unfriendlies as we can identify. You nice Canadian folk don't need to do
>that because the muslim wacko's haven't yet targeted your country - yet.


We've caught numerous terrorists, and broken up many of their cells
before they did us damage, but it's was nice of you to neglect that
fact.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Let's face it, passports are completely unnecessary for land travel
> across the Canada-US border. However, it is a source of revenue for
> the government. Better yet they will keep Americans home. No more day
> trips across the border to Canada or the US if everyone in the car
> will have to have gone to the expense and hassle of acquiring a
> passport. A family travelling to Niagara Falls will not be able to
> cross into Canada to get a better view if they will have had to go to
> all that expense and hassle.

I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced' license. No
passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico or travel to points in
the Carribean without the need for a passport. It incorporates security
features like a RF chip and is issued after an interview and background
check. Four states have adopted this form of ID working with the Dept. of
Homeland Security, and I predict that the rest of the states...especially
the border states... will get off their dead asses and quit balking and also
adopt the program.

I've read several of your recent posts, Dave, where you're coming across
seemingly anti-american. What's up wid dat? You've never seemed to be that
way before.
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 11:04:18 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
>>Funny, I just now remembered, at Expo 67 in Montreal, every country's
>>pavilion would stamp an Expo "passport" with their country's stamp. I
>>remember it being very exciting and a prized memento.
>>
>>Andy
>
> Still have mine


WOW! HOW LUCKY! ))

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Dave Smith said...

> Andy wrote:
>
>>
>> Yep. "Business or pleasure, sir?"
>>
>> ...uhm...?
>>
>> I used to ask for the country "point of entry" (?) stamps to fill up all
>> those passport empty pages but they seem almost put off to go through
the
>> trouble nowadays.
>
> They do seem not to bother with the stamps. On my first European trip we
> arrived in Paris then hopped on a train and ended up going through
> Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Monaco and back to France. I had to hold up
> my passport when I arrived in passport and again on the train going
> through Switzerland. No one even opened it, not did they bother with
> Americans, though they were very thorough with the eastern Europeans. On
> my next trip I arrived in Amsterdam and then on to Copenhagen where the
> guy glanced at it and stamped it. We later headed down to Germany and
> France and were asked our citizenship upon arrival in Germany, but they
> never asked for passports. On the next trip we flew to Hamburg by way
> of Munich and they did actually look at the passport but did not stamp
> it. It was stamped last year in Estonia and Sweden.


Dave,

I must say, you've been on some grand travels! Good for you!

The world really IS a very small place nowadays! :-)

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:30:50 -0700, "Dave Bugg" >
wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Let's face it, passports are completely unnecessary for land travel
>> across the Canada-US border. However, it is a source of revenue for
>> the government. Better yet they will keep Americans home. No more day
>> trips across the border to Canada or the US if everyone in the car
>> will have to have gone to the expense and hassle of acquiring a
>> passport. A family travelling to Niagara Falls will not be able to
>> cross into Canada to get a better view if they will have had to go to
>> all that expense and hassle.
>
>I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced' license. No
>passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico or travel to points in
>the Carribean without the need for a passport. It incorporates security
>features like a RF chip and is issued after an interview and background
>check. Four states have adopted this form of ID working with the Dept. of
>Homeland Security, and I predict that the rest of the states...especially
>the border states... will get off their dead asses and quit balking and also
>adopt the program.

The enhanced drivers licence doesn't allow travel to other countrys.
If it's a direct flight to an American spot such as Peurto Rico or the
US Virgin Islands you're fine, but if you have to land in another
country during your journey you'd need a passport.

>
>I've read several of your recent posts, Dave, where you're coming across
>seemingly anti-american. What's up wid dat? You've never seemed to be that
>way before.

Famous Canadian foods:

Cricket Pappadams
Poutine (false cognate? you decide)
Nanaimo Bars
Reindeer
Arctic Char
Tim Horton's donuts and coffee
PEI mussels, and British Columbia oysters
Wood Bison


Steve

Dave Bugg > wrote:

> I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced'
> license. No passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico
> or travel to points in the Carribean without the need for a
> passport. It incorporates security features like a RF chip and
> is issued after an interview and background check.

If you normally have a passport, is there any added convenience
to also having the enhanced ID?

Steve

Dave Bugg wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> Let's face it, passports are completely unnecessary for land travel
>> across the Canada-US border. However, it is a source of revenue for
>> the government. Better yet they will keep Americans home. No more day
>> trips across the border to Canada or the US if everyone in the car
>> will have to have gone to the expense and hassle of acquiring a
>> passport. A family travelling to Niagara Falls will not be able to
>> cross into Canada to get a better view if they will have had to go to
>> all that expense and hassle.
>
> I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced' license. No
> passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico or travel to points in
> the Carribean without the need for a passport. It incorporates security
> features like a RF chip and is issued after an interview and background
> check.


If I understand correctly, the enhanced driver licence is only good for
entry by land or water, not by air. I go to Europe every few years, so
it is cheaper for me to just have the passport than to pay for the
passport and the extra money for the enhance driver licence.


> Four states have adopted this form of ID working with the Dept. of
> Homeland Security, and I predict that the rest of the states...especially
> the border states... will get off their dead asses and quit balking and also
> adopt the program.
>
> I've read several of your recent posts, Dave, where you're coming across
> seemingly anti-american. What's up wid dat? You've never seemed to be that
> way before.


Sorry, but I guess I react badly to ignorance, like the often cited
factoid about the 9/11 terrorists having snuck in from Canada. I resent
being blamed for their security foul-ups. I resent ignorant comments
about how we have not helped them when the fact is that we have. I
resent Americans saying that we don't spend enough on defence when the
fact is that the only country that has tried to invade us.... several
times, is the US.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
Pope) wrote:

>Dave Bugg > wrote:
>
>> I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced'
>> license. No passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico
>> or travel to points in the Carribean without the need for a
>> passport. It incorporates security features like a RF chip and
>> is issued after an interview and background check.
>
>If you normally have a passport, is there any added convenience
>to also having the enhanced ID?
>
>Steve


No

> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:36:41 -0500, jay > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:36:16 -0400, Mr. Bill wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>>
>>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>>
>>OK.. We can count ham the Canadian way..I guess.. but we ain't counting
>>POUTINE! I did have some salmon jerky in Vancouver that was the best
ever!
>>I'm pretty sure a Texan showed 'em how to do it though. <g>
>
> Montréal Poutine
>
> "ça va faire une maudite poutine"
>
> http://www.montrealpoutine.com/recipes.html


Stu,

Canada is famous for hospitality AND beer, in my book. Hanging out in
Quebec, At some early hour of the morning I wandered back to the hostel in
lower Quebec city and all the bars were closed. Entering the hostel, the
attendant/security guard and I struck up a conversation at the entry and I
asked where I could buy beer. He said everything's closed. BUT!!!... he
produced his key chain and keyed open the soda vending machine door and
there... there... sitting inside was a case of beer. We drank a couple and
exchanged tidbits of our lives. A great experience!!! That's what Canada's
famous for! ))

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

said...

> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
> Pope) wrote:
>
>>Dave Bugg > wrote:
>>
>>> I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced'
>>> license. No passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico
>>> or travel to points in the Carribean without the need for a
>>> passport. It incorporates security features like a RF chip and
>>> is issued after an interview and background check.
>>
>>If you normally have a passport, is there any added convenience
>>to also having the enhanced ID?
>>
>>Steve
>
>
> No


What Stu said!

A passport is the most proof positive ID you can possess.

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:13:39 -0500, wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 07:42:13 -0500, Andy > wrote:
>
>> said...

>Not into Canada at this moment. What I thought was strange is that
>US citizens don't need a passport to enter Canada, but we need one to
>come to the US. I'm sure it will change soon enough.

Maybe Canadians don't care who enters their country. Maybe
Canada is not worried about terrorism because, like some
other nations, terrorists know it's there but pretty much don't
give a damn. I believe Canada is not a real or potential
threat to any nation..... it doesn't have the capability.
Maybe Canada couldn't control who enters their country
if they tried.

Chemiker, remembering a guy caught entering the US
with intent to blow up part of Seattle. He entered from
Canada.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 08:13:39 -0500, wrote:
>
>
>> Not into Canada at this moment.
>
>Not true. New passport regulations took effect yesterday June 1. WFT does
>all this have to do with food or cooking? Typical ANDYISM OT post.
>
>OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!

Au contrair, mon Ami. Have you never eaten poutine?

Chemiker

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:36:41 -0500, jay > wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:36:16 -0400, Mr. Bill wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>
>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>
>OK.. We can count ham the Canadian way..I guess.. but we ain't counting
>POUTINE! I did have some salmon jerky in Vancouver that was the best ever!
>I'm pretty sure a Texan showed 'em how to do it though. <g>

Perhaps you're right. "Famous" for Poutine is the wrong word. Maybe
"Notorious" is more approptiate.

Alex

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Holy shit. Not you too. If ever ever there was a case of repeating a lie
>>> often enough people will start to believe it, it is one. That was a cock
>>> and bull story that circulated immediately after the WTC attacks and
>>> every once in a while people in the US who should know better, repeat
>>> the lie.
>>>
>>> That is ironic in view of the fact that it was the US that had allowed
>>> those 9/11 hijackers into the country. They were all there with visas.
>>> Some of them had been interviewed in the visa process. Some had not.
>>> Some of them were being watched by various intelligence
>>
>>
>> Lets not forget that the people responsible for the world trade attack
>> had been in the USA for many months prior to the attack in the
>> southern states learning to fly, most came from Europe and had
>> passports/visas. But the fools at homeland security will keep
>> perpetuating the lie that they came from Canada at every avenue to
>> cover up their incompetence.
>
> And every once in a while, some ignorant and misinformed doofus will
> repeat the lie as if it were true.

Like McCain!

Dave wrote:

> Let's face it, passports are completely unnecessary for land travel across
> the Canada-US border. However, it is a source of revenue for the
> government. Better yet they will keep Americans home. No more day trips
> across the border to Canada or the US if everyone in the car will have to
> have gone to the expense and hassle of acquiring a passport. A family
> travelling to Niagara Falls will not be able to cross into Canada to get a
> better view if they will have had to go to all that expense and hassle.

Getting a passport isn't difficult. The most difficult part of it is getting
your picture taken. All required forms can be downloaded online, the forms
can be submitted by mail, and your passport arrives in the mail.

My job requires international travel, so I've had a passport ever since I
got the job. Prior to that I was in the U.S. Navy, and didn't need a
passport to travel internationally.

Bob

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 18:09:57 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote:

>Mr. Bill wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>
>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>
>*Real* Maple syrup............
>
>(imagining pouring some and enjoying)

Here's a mystery. I was in Canmore, AB some years back, and
was picking up some Wiser's at a local package store. As I left
I saw an *armored car* with armed guards servicing a super-
market. It struck me as odd, given Canada's gun control laws.

Alex, who loves Wiser's 16.

Dave Smith wrote:

> If I understand correctly, the enhanced driver licence is only good
> for entry by land or water, not by air.

If I understood the OT correctly, wasn't the issue the entry into Canada or
America by car? It's true that the enhanced driver's license is only good
for land or water entry. If I'm only driving cross-border, I'd rather not
have to carry an extra document -- the passport -- and risk losing it.

> Sorry, but I guess I react badly to ignorance, like the often cited
> factoid about the 9/11 terrorists having snuck in from Canada. I
> resent being blamed for their security foul-ups. I resent ignorant
> comments about how we have not helped them when the fact is that we
> have. I resent Americans saying that we don't spend enough on defence
> when the fact is that the only country that has tried to invade
> us.... several times, is the US.

Ignorant comments are hardly specific or isolated to this country, Dave. But
I leave it to you to decide how polarizing the majority, in order to make
pointed jabs at a small minority of folks who you don't like anyway, does
anyone any good.
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

John wrote:

>> She's not allowed to have a passport (a luxury, not a right) as a result.
>> She's a prisoner of America! I wouldn't want her pulling a stunt like
>> that again and waltz into Canada or where ever else for that matter.
>
> Isn't this something close to a violation of Article 13(2) of the
> Universal Declaration of Human?
>
> Article 13.
> •(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence
> within the borders of each state.
> •(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own,
> and to return to his country.
>
> http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
>
> Refusing the woman a passport seems to be effectively a violation of
> 14(2).

I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the USA felons have an abridged set
of rights.

Bob

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:26:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>Andy wrote:
>>>> It's got so crazy that you as Americans cannot return to your country
>>> through the border without a passport as well, but you can come to
>>> Canada without showing or having a passport. Just so you know it's not
>>> our border guards that will stop you from returning to our own
>>> country, it's your own.

>It went into effect yesterday. I have been crossing the border for more
>than 50 years without a passport. The strange thing is that law
>enforcement agencies have a vast computer network that allows them
>access to all sorts of information. All they need is a name and birth
>date, which they can get from a birth certificate or driver licence.
>FWIW, my cruiser used to be equipped with a mobile computer terminal. I
>could drive down the road, punch in a licence plate and within seconds
>it would display the owner's name, address and driver licence number.
>There would even be a flag if the licence was expired or suspended. Then
>there was a link to click on for detailed information. Police systems
>also link to the criminal records.

Dave, maybe the key is in the new data chips in US passports. Mine
doesn't have one, but my wife's does. No manual data entry needed.
Just swipe the passport, and, if you've been flagged, the alert is
immediate. Wife and I both has passports scanned in Schiphol,
and again when we returned through Detroit.

Alex

wrote:

> The enhanced drivers licence doesn't allow travel to other countrys.
> If it's a direct flight to an American spot such as Peurto Rico or the
> US Virgin Islands you're fine, but if you have to land in another
> country during your journey you'd need a passport.

<Sigh> Your OT gripe was about LAND travel across the Canadian/American
border, right? The issue wasn't about worldwide air travel, right? I brought
up the enhanced driver's license as an example of the fact that obtaining a
passport is NOT required to travel by land to, or from, Canada.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Sheldon wrote:

> Canada is much less stringent about who enters its borders.

I hear you can even buy Cuban cigars there.

Hey Canada, in New York we've got a great big statue which bears this
inscription:

The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


We don't seem to be using the poem; would you like to have it?

Bob

wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC), (Steve
> Pope) wrote:
>
>> Dave Bugg > wrote:
>>
>>> I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced'
>>> license. No passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico
>>> or travel to points in the Carribean without the need for a
>>> passport. It incorporates security features like a RF chip and
>>> is issued after an interview and background check.
>>
>> If you normally have a passport, is there any added convenience
>> to also having the enhanced ID?
>>
>> Steve
>
>
> No

The hell there ain't. I don't need to carry two documents and risk
misplacing my passport. I only need to drag my passport around for real
international travel.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:06:08 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>Dave wrote:
>
>> Let's face it, passports are completely unnecessary for land travel across
>> the Canada-US border. However, it is a source of revenue for the
>> government. Better yet they will keep Americans home. No more day trips
>> across the border to Canada or the US if everyone in the car will have to
>> have gone to the expense and hassle of acquiring a passport. A family
>> travelling to Niagara Falls will not be able to cross into Canada to get a
>> better view if they will have had to go to all that expense and hassle.
>
>Getting a passport isn't difficult. The most difficult part of it is getting
>your picture taken. All required forms can be downloaded online, the forms
>can be submitted by mail, and your passport arrives in the mail.

IIRC, one can be denied a US passport for unpaid child support. Here
in Texas, I know of someone who is on our AG's list for that reason,
and when he applied for the P/P, it was denied for that reason.

Alex

Andy wrote:
> said...
>
>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:46:11 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Steve Pope) wrote:
>>
>>> Dave Bugg > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced'
>>>> license. No passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico
>>>> or travel to points in the Carribean without the need for a
>>>> passport. It incorporates security features like a RF chip and
>>>> is issued after an interview and background check.
>>>
>>> If you normally have a passport, is there any added convenience
>>> to also having the enhanced ID?
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>>
>> No
>
>
> What Stu said!
>
> A passport is the most proof positive ID you can possess.

Not really. The enhanced licenses have embedded RFID chips, fraud detection
watermarks and symbols, and a second digitized face-scanned picture.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

wrote:

> If they were reading the thread, they'd know that the conversation was
> about the United States of America and Canadian border there Chatty

Heh. So is it safe to assume that all r.f.c. subscribers are from either
the USA or Canada?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

"Steve Pope" > wrote in message ...
| Famous Canadian foods:
|
| Cricket Pappadams
| Poutine (false cognate? you decide)
| Nanaimo Bars
| Reindeer
| Arctic Char
| Tim Horton's donuts and coffee
| PEI mussels, and British Columbia oysters
| Wood Bison
|
|
| Steve

tourtiere
sugar tarts
smoked beef
moe panzer's pastrami
.....and according to the latest news releases, baby seal heart:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5040945.shtml

pavane

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:28:39 -0500, wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:54:42 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>

>Lets not forget that the people responsible for the world trade attack
>had been in the USA for many months prior to the attack in the
>southern states learning to fly, most came from Europe and had
>passports/visas. But the fools at homeland security will keep
>perpetuating the lie that they came from Canada at every avenue to
>cover up their incompetence.
You keep focusing on the 9/11 attack.

Repeat after me:

"No terrorist ever entered the United States from Canada. Nor will
they. We do not permit it."

I'm sure we're all waiting with bated breath to hear that statement.

Alex

iffu trolled some mo

> Lets not forget that the people responsible for the world trade attack
> had been in the USA for many months prior to the attack in the
> southern states learning to fly, most came from Europe and had
> passports/visas. But the fools at homeland security will keep
> perpetuating the lie that they came from Canada at every avenue to
> cover up their incompetence.

What incompetence, troll? The Department of Homeland Security DIDN'T EXIST
at the time.

Bob

On Jun 2, 10:53*am, "l, not -l" > wrote:
>
>
> How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
> passing through Canada to get to the US? *Even if you could tell by looking,
> our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims..

It's easy to tell a Canadian from one of those Arab Muslims. The Arab
wears a robe like you see in illustrated Bibles, and has a beard,
unless it's a woman, then they have a veil. Canadians look like
regular people.

--Bryan

Dave wrote:

> FWIW, I have crossed the US border many times and I have travelled around
> Europe. While passports were required, no one ever looked at them. The
> first time I went to Europe I arrived in Paris. We had filled out a form,
> walked up to a the desk, handed in the form, held out my Canadian passport
> and was waved through. Last summer I went through customs and immigration
> in the Netherlands, Estonia, Sweden, Denmark and Canada. The only place
> they ever actually looked at the passport was in Toronto. In Amsterdam
> they passed it under a scanner.

My experience is different. At London's Heathrow airport, I had to show my
passport at multiple checkpoints inside the airport, and the attendant was
scrutinizing them closely. (And this was *before* 9/11.)

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Sheldon wrote:
>
>> Canada is much less stringent about who enters its borders.
>
> I hear you can even buy Cuban cigars there.
>
> Hey Canada, in New York we've got a great big statue which bears this
> inscription:
>
> The New Colossus
> Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
> With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
> Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
> A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
> Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
> Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
> Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
> The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
> "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
> With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
> Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
> The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
> Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
> I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
>
>
> We don't seem to be using the poem; would you like to have it?

That poem is oft-times used, by those who have agendas, as a reason to
ignore laws of the land. I would pay Canada to take it off our hands. I find
it interesting that the statue's country-of-origin now struggles with ways
to reverse the effects of what its "gift" symbolizes.
--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

Nancy Young wrote:

> ChattyCathy wrote:
>
>> *Real* Maple syrup............
>>
>> (imagining pouring some and enjoying)
>
> We have that in the US, too. Several northern states are known
> for their maple syrup, especially Vermont.
>
> nancy

The closest we get to Maple Syrup (from Canada or Vermont) is the 'fake'
stuff they sell here i.e. some syrup made from cane sugar (OK, at least
it's *real* cane sugar) that has 'Maple Syrup flavoring'...

Heh. I still like it on pancakes <veg>
--
Cheers
ChattyCathy

Andy wrote:
>
>> They do seem not to bother with the stamps. On my first European trip we
>> arrived in Paris then hopped on a train and ended up going through
>> Germany, Switzerland, Italy, Monaco and back to France. I had to hold up
>> my passport when I arrived in passport and again on the train going
>> through Switzerland. No one even opened it, not did they bother with
>> Americans, though they were very thorough with the eastern Europeans. On
>> my next trip I arrived in Amsterdam and then on to Copenhagen where the
>> guy glanced at it and stamped it. We later headed down to Germany and
>> France and were asked our citizenship upon arrival in Germany, but they
>> never asked for passports. On the next trip we flew to Hamburg by way
>> of Munich and they did actually look at the passport but did not stamp
>> it. It was stamped last year in Estonia and Sweden.
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I must say, you've been on some grand travels! Good for you!
>
> The world really IS a very small place nowadays! :-)
>

It becomes even more obvious how small it is when you travel thousands
of miles and run into people you know. Not once, but twice I have
boarded a plane in Vancouver and ended up sitting right next to an old
friend from high school. A few years ago my brother and his wife were in
England and ended up talking with a couple they met in a small museum.
They were talking about where they were from.... Canada... Ontario...
Niagara ..... the other couple lived around the corner from me. She had
been one of my classmates at university.


Then there are the small degrees of separation. You may recall the
massacre at Luxor about a decade ago. A friend of mine was in Egypt and
was supposed to go there that day but didn't because he wasn't feeling
well so he went the next day. My son was living in Africa for a while
and used to hang out with some South Africans. One of their party was
not feeling well so they stayed at their hotel and went the next day.
Both my friend and my son's friends postponed their visits to Luxor on
the day of the massacre and went the next day, missing disaster by one day.

On Jun 2, 12:40*pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
> > ChattyCathy wrote:
>
> >> *Real* Maple syrup............
>
> >> (imagining pouring some and enjoying)
>
> > We have that in the US, too. *Several northern states are known
> > for their maple syrup, especially Vermont.
>
> > nancy
>
> The closest we get to Maple Syrup (from Canada or Vermont) is the 'fake'
> stuff they sell here i.e. some syrup made from cane sugar (OK, at least
> it's *real* cane sugar) that has 'Maple Syrup flavoring'...

You really can't get it there? I bet you can get it somewhere. I mix
1/3 maple with 2/3 light corn syrup to make pancake syrup.
>
> Heh. I still like it on pancakes <veg>

I can eat it, but I wouldn't buy it for home use.
> --
> Cheers
> ChattyCathy

--Bryan