On Jun 2, 1:11*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> John wrote:
> >> She's not allowed to have a passport (a luxury, not a right) as a result.
> >> She's a prisoner of America! I wouldn't want her pulling a stunt like
> >> that again and waltz into Canada or where ever else for that matter.
>
> > Isn't this something *close to a violation of Article 13(2) of the
> > Universal Declaration of Human?
>
> > Article 13.
> > •(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence
> > within the borders of each state.
> > •(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own,
> > and to return to his country.
>
> >http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
>
> > Refusing the woman a passport seems to be effectively a violation of
> > 14(2).
>
> I'm not sure how it is in Canada, but in the USA felons have an abridged set
> of rights.
>
> Bob

IANAL but in most cases once completely released from the Canadian
system you are pretty much just a normal citizen. We certainly don't
have restrictions on such things as voting that released felons have
in many US states. In fact we have polling stations in prisons and
correctional institutions.

I just got a new passport and I don't remember anything about a
criminal record being asked. Nope nothing on the form:
http://www.ppt.gc.ca/form/pdfs/pptc153.pdf .

I suppose the Passport office might do a CPIC request. At the moment
I don't see any problem with a prisioner getting a passport although
an address like Milhaven Penitenary or Kingston Peniteniary [1] might
raise flags.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

1. These two prisons are home to some of the most dangerous prisoners
in Canada

On Jun 2, 2:10*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:


> It really makes you wonder about people who arrive here by plane and try
> to claim refugee status and have no passport. They rip them up and flush
> them down the toilet. AFAIAC, that should be grounds to send them right
> back to wherever they came from because they have proved themselves to
> be dishonest.

Land at Heathrow or even Toronto, don't go through Customs for a few
minutes and suddenly it's anybody guess where you came from. Too many
planes landing and too many choices even if you can identify a plane.
Land at Pearson from an international hub and see if Amsterdam or
Paris wants the person back.

Airlines can be fined for transporting people with inadequate
documentation or whom are not eligible to enter the destination
country.

Plus some of the arrivals are legitimate refugees who may have had no
valid documentation anyway.

John Kane Kingston ON Canad

On Jun 2, 12:46*pm, (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Dave Bugg > wrote:
> > I spent $15.00 to upgrade my license to a new 'enhanced'
> > license. No passport needed. I can enter into Canada or Mexico
> > or travel to points in the Carribean without the need for a
> > passport. It incorporates security features like a RF chip and
> > is issued after an interview and background check.
>
> If you normally have a passport, is there any added convenience
> to also having the enhanced ID? *

Possibly, certainly from everything I have been hearing from our side
of the border it makes tracking you anywhere a lot easier. Apparently
the enchanced licences are pretty easy to read at 10-15 metres. One
quote from an industry expert was, "We don't understand why a
technology used for tracking skids in a warehouse is being used".

It seems likely that they are a bit more convenient at a land crossing
but a passport seems like a better deal since it can be used in the
air, by water and for any country in the world that's willing to let
you in. The licence seems to only work on the Canada - US land
border.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Jun 2, 1:11*pm, "Dave Bugg" > wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
> > If I understand correctly, the enhanced driver licence is only good
> > for entry by land or water, not by air.
>
> If I understood the OT correctly, wasn't the issue the entry into Canada or
> America by car? It's true that the enhanced driver's license is only good
> for land or water entry. If I'm only driving cross-border, I'd rather not
> have to carry an extra document -- the passport -- and risk losing it.
>
> > Sorry, but I guess I react badly to ignorance, like the often cited
> > factoid about the 9/11 terrorists having snuck in from Canada. I
> > resent being blamed for their security foul-ups. *I resent ignorant
> > comments about how we have not helped them when the fact is that we
> > have. I resent Americans saying that we don't spend enough on defence
> > when the fact is that the only country that has tried to invade
> > us.... several times, is the US.
>
> Ignorant comments are hardly specific or isolated to this country, Dave. But
> I leave it to you to decide how polarizing the majority, in order to make
> pointed jabs at a small minority of folks who you don't like anyway, does
> anyone any good.

The problem from a Canadian point of view is that these lies are (or
have been) common on such things as Fox News, among Congressmen and so
on. First, it tends to **** us off and second, policy decisons are
being made in Washington based on an almost total ignorance of
Canada.

Some of these decisions can have nasty economic effects on us or can
affect how we deal with the USA.

For example this passport/enhanced licence policy is likely to have a
considerable effect on the tourist industry in both the USA and
Canada. Americans may not want to come to Canada for a week if they
have to get a passport, Canadians may decide that if they have to have
a passport, either they won't bother with that quick jaunt to Seatle
or Detroit for dinner or shopping since they'd have to go pick up the
passport, or they might decide that Venezula or Cuba sounds better
than Florida now that they already have their passports.

We also suspect that some of the border regulations may more
protectionism than securty though I have not seen any specific
instance of this.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Jun 2, 6:25*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:

> I think when she said that the perpetrators of 9/11 came to the USA from
> Canada, she believed that to be the case.

This is the crux of the case. She should have known better

In Canada we would expect the minister responible for the equivalent
organization ( that idiot Stockwell Day of Public Security who didn't
know which way the Niagara River runs) to have mastered the very
basics of the portfolio, or at least, be briefed on flash points when
meeting with a representative of another gov't.

Getting caught in a mistake in an evolving issue is embarrassing but
she had 8 years to learn how the Sept 11 terrorists got into the USA.
She may not be the brightest light in the US Admin but it seems likely
that she will have substantial input into policy decisions. Ignorance
is not bliss in this case.

John Kane Kingston ON Canad

On Jun 2, 1:26*pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> wrote:
> > If they were reading the thread, they'd know that the conversation was
> > about the United States of America and Canadian border there Chatty
>
> Heh. So is it safe to assume that all r.f.c. subscribers are from either
> the USA or Canada?

Just think of it as us helping broaden your horizens. BTW if you're
coming visiting it's likely easier to get to Ottawa

John Kane Kingston ON Canad

On Jun 2, 12:18*pm, Dave Smith >
wrote:
> l, not -l wrote:
> > How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
> > passing through Canada to get to the US? *Even if you could tell by looking,
> > our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims.
> > Same applies to other unfriendlies, such as the French; we can't exclude
> > french speaking people 'cause some are Canadians.
>
> How would you recognize an unfriendly foreigner? The passport tells
> nothing about their intentions.
>
> > We are stuck with looking at passports to keep out as many of the
> > unfriendlies as we can identify. *You nice Canadian folk don't need to do
> > that because the muslim wacko's haven't yet targeted your country - yet..
>
> You have a cast criminal database that it linked to foreign databases.
> All they need is a valid ID with name and date of birth and they can
> search the database.
>
> FWIW. There are a lot of Canadian and American citizens of convenience.
> Holding a Canadian or American passport enables people to travel to a
> lot of countries without the visas they would need if they held
> passports from their native countries. *When Israel attacked Lebanon
> last year we ended up having to rescue 50,000 "Canadians". They had come
> to Canada to take advantage of a special program for refugees of the
> conflict there but then turned around and moved back to Lebanon. They
> don't live here, don't pay taxes here, have no real connection to
> Canada, but they have Canadian passports and expected us to help them
> out because they are Canadian citizens, if only on paper. *It is not
> only Lebanese who are doing it, and the same is happening in the US.

We're just lucky that most of our Snow Geese live in Florida and not
Louisiana or we'd have had a real mess on our hands after Katrina.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

On Jun 2, 1:31*pm, Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> On Jun 2, 10:53*am, "l, not -l" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
> > passing through Canada to get to the US? *Even if you could tell by looking,
> > our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims.
>
> It's easy to tell a Canadian from one of those Arab Muslims. *The Arab
> wears a robe like you see in illustrated Bibles, and has a beard,
> unless it's a woman, then they have a veil. *Canadians look like
> regular people.

Eh? When was the last time you were in Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver/
Ottawa etc?
The Hari Chrishas alone !!!!

On Jun 2, 2:34*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >,
>
> wrote:
> > I don't know how you feel about it but *I resent that we as your
> > neighbour have to produce passports to cross the border we have been
> > doing so as friends and neighbours for over a 100 years. It makes us
> > feel as though we're the enemy you want to keep out and not your
> > neighbours. Think about it.
>
> I've thought about it -- a lot. *I feel like I'm an enemy in my own
> country. *I'm flying on Saturday, within the country. *I will have to
> show a government-issue photo id, more than once, in the process of
> getting to the aircraft. *My wife cannot see me off at the gate anymore.. *
> I will have to go through security. *I've already lost one knife. *It
> had a one inch blade. *So I will have to remember to put my pocket knife
> in my checkin bag. *I will have to put any liquids, other than medicine,
> in the checkin bag. *They will X-ray my checkin bag. *Last two times I
> flew, they opened the bag. *My carry on bag will be searched. *It may or
> may not be a detailed search, as I have medical supplies that involve
> needles.

And probably less than 10% of the airport security staff have criminal
records or work for drug smugglars so you should be okay.

It has always seemed like a case of shutting the barn door after the
horse has gotten out.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

John Kane said...

> Airlines can be fined for transporting people with inadequate
> documentation or whom are not eligible to enter the destination
> country.
>
> Plus some of the arrivals are legitimate refugees who may have had no
> valid documentation anyway.


There was a comedy/romance/tragedy movie about a man who arrived by plane
into NY but between the time he left and arrived, his country's government
was overtaken in a coup or something and he wasn't allowed entry. He couldn't
fly back home due to no diplomatic relations. Instead he lived, slept and
worked at the airport for months. It was a "C" movie with a happy ending.

The actor was Tony Shalhoub, iirc, the man who plays Monk, the germophopic
detective.

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:53:39 GMT, l, not -l wrote:

> On 2-Jun-2009, wrote:
>
>> I don't know how you feel about it but I resent that we as your
>> neighbour have to produce passports to cross the border we have been
>> doing so as friends and neighbours for over a 100 years. It makes us
>> feel as though we're the enemy you want to keep out and not your
>> neighbours. Think about it.
>
> How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
> passing through Canada to get to the US? Even if you could tell by looking,
> our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims.
> Same applies to other unfriendlies, such as the French; we can't exclude
> french speaking people 'cause some are Canadians.
>
> We are stuck with looking at passports to keep out as many of the
> unfriendlies as we can identify. You nice Canadian folk don't need to do
> that because the muslim wacko's haven't yet targeted your country - yet.

the french (and french-speaking canadians) are 'unfriendlies'? ever hear
of NATO?

blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
| On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 15:53:39 GMT, l, not -l wrote:
|
| > On 2-Jun-2009, wrote:
| >
| >> I don't know how you feel about it but I resent that we as your
| >> neighbour have to produce passports to cross the border we have been
| >> doing so as friends and neighbours for over a 100 years. It makes us
| >> feel as though we're the enemy you want to keep out and not your
| >> neighbours. Think about it.
| >
| > How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
| > passing through Canada to get to the US? Even if you could tell by looking,
| > our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims.
| > Same applies to other unfriendlies, such as the French; we can't exclude
| > french speaking people 'cause some are Canadians.
| >
| > We are stuck with looking at passports to keep out as many of the
| > unfriendlies as we can identify. You nice Canadian folk don't need to do
| > that because the muslim wacko's haven't yet targeted your country - yet.
|
| the french (and french-speaking canadians) are 'unfriendlies'? ever hear
| of NATO?

Your point is well-taken and I agree completely, but you are aware
that France has not been a member of NATO since 1966? President
Sarkozy has pledged to have France re-join it this year (they were
one of the founding nations) but not now, not yet. French-speaking
Canadians of course always have been as Canadian citizens.

pavane

John Kane wrote:

>
> Land at Heathrow or even Toronto, don't go through Customs for a few
> minutes and suddenly it's anybody guess where you came from. Too many
> planes landing and too many choices even if you can identify a plane.
> Land at Pearson from an international hub and see if Amsterdam or
> Paris wants the person back.


I accidentally walked out of Schipol airport in Amsterdam last summer. I
came in on a flight from Copenhagen to connect with a flight to Toronto.
It was the first time I had arrived at Schipol that I was not exhausted,
but we thought we were following the signs. I stepped outside, then
back in again and had to ask for directions. It was quite a hike to
passport control. It was easier to walk out and bypass the whole system
that to find the right place.

> Airlines can be fined for transporting people with inadequate
> documentation or whom are not eligible to enter the destination
> country.
>
> Plus some of the arrivals are legitimate refugees who may have had no
> valid documentation anyway.


They destroy their travel documents and flush them before landing. They
had to have them to get on the plane. They count on not being sent back
without the papers.

John Kane wrote:
> On Jun 2, 6:25 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
> wrote:
>
>> I think when she said that the perpetrators of 9/11 came to the USA from
>> Canada, she believed that to be the case.
>
> This is the crux of the case. She should have known better


That is my problem with it. She, of all people, should have known
better. Then when the shit hit the fan she said that we should just get
over it. It was just a misstatement. It was a bloody stupid mistake,
blaming us for something we had nothing to do with, as if we had alloed
a bunch of terrorists into the country so that they could then sneak
into the US. It is a clear message that our admission requirements are
too lax and need to be improved, but the fact is that it was their
admission standards that allowed them into the US directly from overseas.



> Getting caught in a mistake in an evolving issue is embarrassing but
> she had 8 years to learn how the Sept 11 terrorists got into the USA.
> She may not be the brightest light in the US Admin but it seems likely
> that she will have substantial input into policy decisions. Ignorance
> is not bliss in this case.

Well there you go..... 8 years of the same old lie being repeated, and
everyone starts to believe it.

Andy wrote:
> John Kane said...
>
>> Airlines can be fined for transporting people with inadequate
>> documentation or whom are not eligible to enter the destination
>> country.
>>
>> Plus some of the arrivals are legitimate refugees who may have had no
>> valid documentation anyway.
>
>
> There was a comedy/romance/tragedy movie about a man who arrived by plane
> into NY but between the time he left and arrived, his country's government
> was overtaken in a coup or something and he wasn't allowed entry. He couldn't
> fly back home due to no diplomatic relations. Instead he lived, slept and
> worked at the airport for months. It was a "C" movie with a happy ending.
>
> The actor was Tony Shalhoub, iirc, the man who plays Monk, the germophopic
> detective.


Either you don't recall or there was another movie along the same lines.
"The Terminal" starred Tom Hanks.

Dave Smith said...

> Andy wrote:
>> John Kane said...
>>
>>> Airlines can be fined for transporting people with inadequate
>>> documentation or whom are not eligible to enter the destination
>>> country.
>>>
>>> Plus some of the arrivals are legitimate refugees who may have had no
>>> valid documentation anyway.
>>
>>
>> There was a comedy/romance/tragedy movie about a man who arrived by
>> plane into NY but between the time he left and arrived, his country's
>> government was overtaken in a coup or something and he wasn't allowed
>> entry. He couldn't fly back home due to no diplomatic relations.
>> Instead he lived, slept and worked at the airport for months. It was a
>> "C" movie with a happy ending.
>>
>> The actor was Tony Shalhoub, iirc, the man who plays Monk, the
>> germophopic detective.
>
>
> Either you don't recall or there was another movie along the same lines.
> "The Terminal" starred Tom Hanks.


Dave,

Yep. I watched an on-line movie trailer by that title and you called it
right! Thanks!

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Andy wrote:
> > John Kane said...
> >
> > > Airlines can be fined for transporting people with inadequate
> > > documentation or whom are not eligible to enter the destination
> > > country.
> > >
> > > Plus some of the arrivals are legitimate refugees who may have
> > > had no valid documentation anyway.
> >
> >
> > There was a comedy/romance/tragedy movie about a man who arrived by
> > plane into NY but between the time he left and arrived, his
> > country's government was overtaken in a coup or something and he
> > wasn't allowed entry. He couldn't fly back home due to no
> > diplomatic relations. Instead he lived, slept and worked at the
> > airport for months. It was a "C" movie with a happy ending.
> >
> > The actor was Tony Shalhoub, iirc, the man who plays Monk, the
> > germophopic detective.
>
>
> Either you don't recall or there was another movie along the same
> lines. "The Terminal" starred Tom Hanks.

Loosely (probably) based on the true story of Mehran Karimi Nasseri,
trapped in the Paris airport.




Brian

--
Day 121 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:31:15 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> Phil--c wrote:
>>> Mr. Bill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>>> This may sound a dumb question but what about their Atlantic salmon
>>> Cod and Crab industries ?
>>>
>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>> Especially in Alberta region
>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>
>
> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt

The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Jun 3, 4:05*pm, Dave Smith > wrote:
> John Kane wrote:
>
> > Land at Heathrow or even Toronto, don't go through Customs for a few
> > minutes and suddenly it's anybody guess where you came from. *Too many
> > planes landing and too many choices even if you can identify a plane.
> > Land at Pearson from an international hub and see if Amsterdam or
> > Paris wants the person back.
>
> I accidentally walked out of Schipol airport in Amsterdam last summer. I
> came in on a flight from Copenhagen to connect with a flight to Toronto.
> It was the first time I had arrived at Schipol that I was not exhausted,
> * but we thought we were following the signs. I stepped outside, then
> back in again and had to ask for directions. It was quite a hike to
> passport control. *It was easier to walk out and bypass the whole system
> that to find the right place.

I managed to walk through 'passport control' 4 times in Frankfort
while trying to find my way to another part of the terminal. Nobody
even glanced at me.
>
> > Airlines can be fined for transporting people with inadequate
> > documentation or whom are not eligible to enter the destination
> > country.
>
> > Plus some of the arrivals are legitimate refugees who may have had no
> > valid documentation anyway.
>
> They destroy their travel documents and flush them before landing. They
> had to have them to get on the plane. They count on not being sent back
> without the papers.

Just because you may be a 'legitimate' refugee claimant does not mean
that you are not using false documents to get into the country
When you're fleeing for your life from Myamar or Iran, the gov't may
not be too willing to issue you a passport

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

Janet Wilder wrote:

>>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>>> Especially in Alberta region
>>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>>
>>
>> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>
> The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't

Gravy is good on roasted, mashed and boiled potatoes. Why don't you
think that it would be good on fried potatoes. It is a bit on the rich
side, but it tastes good. There is nothing quite like a hot roast beef
sandwich (open face) with gravy and fries.

Dave Smith wrote:

> Gravy is good on roasted, mashed and boiled potatoes. Why don't you
> think that it would be good on fried potatoes. It is a bit on the rich
> side, but it tastes good. There is nothing quite like a hot roast beef
> sandwich (open face) with gravy and fries.

That is my line of thinking, too. French fries are potatoes. I like gravy
(sometimes) on potatoes, and cheese too.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan

In article >,
Janet Wilder > wrote:

> wrote:
> > On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:31:15 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > > wrote:

> >> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
> >
> > Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>
> The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't

But have you tried it? As both Daves said, people put gravy on potatoes
all the time.

When I was a kid, in my area they didn't have many Chinese restaurants,
they were Chinese-American. Part of the menu was one, and part the
other. One day I ordered some french fries with my Chinese food.
Somehow a fry ended up in the leftover sauce on my plate. It wasn't
brown, but it was a thickened, seasoned meat broth. It tasted pretty
good. So after that, I tried it several more times. I haven't had it
for probably 45 years, but I still remember it being good.

I suspect poutine would be similar. I sometimes put cheese on my fries
at home (along with jalapeno peppers and onions).

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:20:28 -0500, wrote:

>On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:57:18 -0500, Chemiker
> wrote:
>
>
>Here's a clue stick for you.... just so that you're aware.
>Canada produced just short of 30 million tonnes in 1996 with an
>average increase of 4% per year since.

na, und? Your point is?

Alex, wondering what the Hell 12 year old
data has to do with anything. I made a comment
based on your claim of 10 years of ND.

Stay on topic, if you are capable of critical thinking.

Alex

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:53:25 -0500, Michel Boucher
> wrote:

>"Paco" > wrote in -
>september.org:
>
>>> Just so you know it's not
>>> our border guards that will stop you from returning to our own
>>> country, it's your own.
>>
>> Dem sounds like fightin' words, boy.
>
>In that case, you'd be fighting your own people.


As usual, it proves itself again.

Liberals have no sense of humor.

So... are they human?

Alex

Dave Smith wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
>>>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>>>> Especially in Alberta region
>>>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>>
>> The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't
>
> Gravy is good on roasted, mashed and boiled potatoes. Why don't you
> think that it would be good on fried potatoes. It is a bit on the rich
> side, but it tastes good. There is nothing quite like a hot roast beef
> sandwich (open face) with gravy and fries.
>
Almost all of the places where the served gravy with fries in Canada had
some kind of commercial gravy. It was canned or dehydrated or some other
kind of corporate stuff. It was way, way too salty and pasty to even ve
considered "gravy" JMHO, YMMV

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Chemiker wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:20:28 -0500, wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:57:18 -0500, Chemiker
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here's a clue stick for you.... just so that you're aware.
>> Canada produced just short of 30 million tonnes in 1996 with an
>> average increase of 4% per year since.
>
> na, und? Your point is?
>
> Alex, wondering what the Hell 12 year old
> data has to do with anything. I made a comment
> based on your claim of 10 years of ND.
>
> Stay on topic, if you are capable of critical thinking.


How about 2003 production. The US produced 63,129,300 metric tons of
wheat and Canada produced 23,552,000

http://nue.okstate.edu/crop_informat...production.htm


According to Nation Master, the US is the number one wheat exporter with
28,500 metric tons of wheat while Australia in number 2 with 15,000 and
Canada is number three with 14,500.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/ag...-wheat-exports


However, Nation Master also shows that the US is the 10th largest
importer of wheat with 2,000 metric tons.

Then there other grain crops like barley. Russia is the largest producer
of barely with 15,500 metric tons with Canada in second place at 12,150,
double the US production. It is the 3rd largest imported of barley.

The US is the largest producer of corn..... by far. It is also the
largest exporter of corn, though it also ranks 31st in corn imports.

Janet Wilder wrote:

>>
>> Gravy is good on roasted, mashed and boiled potatoes. Why don't you
>> think that it would be good on fried potatoes. It is a bit on the rich
>> side, but it tastes good. There is nothing quite like a hot roast beef
>> sandwich (open face) with gravy and fries.
>>
> Almost all of the places where the served gravy with fries in Canada had
> some kind of commercial gravy. It was canned or dehydrated or some other
> kind of corporate stuff. It was way, way too salty and pasty to even ve
> considered "gravy" JMHO, YMMV

Pity. My mother used to do a beef roast almost every week and always
made lots of gravy. Leftovers beef was often sliced and heated in gravy
and served with fries. IMO, the gravy was every bit as good on the fries
as it was on the beef.

John Kane > wrote in news:611d8602-a7c9-4836-b442-
:

> Don't you mean Eastern Ontatio (Delta, Portland area? ) I've
> never had any from the Beauce. Most of what I see is pretty locally
> produced.
>
> John Kane Kingston ON Canada

We buy our stuff through a friend whose family has érablières in the Beauce
and Lotbinière. That is the best stuff.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Chemiker > wrote in
:

> As usual, it proves itself again.
>
> Liberals have no sense of humor.

If by Liberals you mean those as calls themselves conservatives, you're
right, they ain't got no sense of humour. And I don't mean they don't find
things funny but it's like toilet humour.

I hear them every day, yammering on to their peanut gallery (the peanut
being the brain size required to belong in their marching band) about
"getting the job done" this and "the opposition, Mr. Speaker, is unaware
of" that. They lie through their teeth, titter at their own jokes, refuse
to answer questions put to them, consider that the opposition should be
giving them a free leg up, and generally act like country bumpkins on the
Riviera...badly.

Whoever elected those nim nulls should have their heads examined.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

On Jun 3, 12:34*pm, John Kane > wrote:
> On Jun 2, 1:31*pm, Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
>
> > On Jun 2, 10:53*am, "l, not -l" > wrote:
>
> > > How would we recognize neighborly Canadians from unfriendly people just
> > > passing through Canada to get to the US? *Even if you could tell by looking,
> > > our laws frown upon "profiling", thus we can't exclude all arabs & mulims.
>
> > It's easy to tell a Canadian from one of those Arab Muslims. *The Arab
> > wears a robe like you see in illustrated Bibles, and has a beard,
> > unless it's a woman, then they have a veil. *Canadians look like
> > regular people.
>
> Eh? When was the last time you were in Toronto/Montreal/Vancouver/
> Ottawa etc?
> The Hari Chrishas alone !!!!

I was just making a really bad joke. The idea that Islamist militants
trying to enter the USA from Canada, and wearing the most
stereotypical garb is absurd, as is the concept of "regular people."
Maybe it was only funny to me.

--Bryan

wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 16:30:07 +0200, ChattyCathy
> > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 07:09:11 +0200, ChattyCathy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil--c wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cath
>>>>> Do you get Golden syrup over there in SA ?
>>>> Yep, we do. Made by the same crowd that make the Maple 'flavored'
>>>> syrup... When we were kids, we used to have peanut butter and Golden
>>>> syrup sandwiches <g>
>>> You are talking about Golden Corn Syrup correct?
>> This is the stuff I'm talking about...
>>
>> http://www.illovosugar.com/ourproduc...upConsumer.htm
>
>
> This is what I was talking about
>
> http://www.mazola.ca/beehivehistory.htm

Gotta be careful with all that sticky stuff over there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Molasses_Disaster

Dave Smith wrote:
> John Kane wrote:
>> On Jun 2, 6:25 pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think when she said that the perpetrators of 9/11 came to the USA from
>>> Canada, she believed that to be the case.
>>
>> This is the crux of the case. She should have known better
>
>
> That is my problem with it. She, of all people, should have known
> better. Then when the shit hit the fan she said that we should just get
> over it. It was just a misstatement. It was a bloody stupid mistake,
> blaming us for something we had nothing to do with, as if we had alloed
> a bunch of terrorists into the country so that they could then sneak
> into the US. It is a clear message that our admission requirements are
> too lax and need to be improved, but the fact is that it was their
> admission standards that allowed them into the US directly from overseas.
>
>
>
>> Getting caught in a mistake in an evolving issue is embarrassing but
>> she had 8 years to learn how the Sept 11 terrorists got into the USA.
>> She may not be the brightest light in the US Admin but it seems likely
>> that she will have substantial input into policy decisions. Ignorance
>> is not bliss in this case.
>
> Well there you go..... 8 years of the same old lie being repeated, and
> everyone starts to believe it.
>

It happens .
Perhaps the Septics and the Canadians should be reminded
of bit of trivia that few probably know the FIRST EVER CRICKET MATCH
PLAYED BETWEEN TWO COUNTRIES ----------

Was between Canada and United States In Sept 1844

Perhaps they should start again

"Michel Boucher" > wrote in message
...
> Chemiker > wrote in
> :
>
>> As usual, it proves itself again.
>>
>> Liberals have no sense of humor.
>
> If by Liberals you mean those as calls themselves conservatives, you're
> right, they ain't got no sense of humour. And I don't mean they don't
> find
> things funny but it's like toilet humour.
>
> I hear them every day, yammering on to their peanut gallery (the peanut
> being the brain size required to belong in their marching band) about
> "getting the job done" this and "the opposition, Mr. Speaker, is unaware
> of" that. They lie through their teeth, titter at their own jokes, refuse
> to answer questions put to them, consider that the opposition should be
> giving them a free leg up, and generally act like country bumpkins on the
> Riviera...badly.
>
> Whoever elected those nim nulls should have their heads examined.
>
> --
Don't blame me! I live in Harper's riding (he doesn't) and when it comes to
politics, the populace act like sheep.

John Kane wrote:
> On Jun 2, 1:26 pm, ChattyCathy > wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> If they were reading the thread, they'd know that the conversation was
>>> about the United States of America and Canadian border there Chatty
>> Heh. So is it safe to assume that all r.f.c. subscribers are from either
>> the USA or Canada?
>
> Just think of it as us helping broaden your horizens. BTW if you're
> coming visiting it's likely easier to get to Ottawa
>
> John Kane Kingston ON Canad

Reading this thread
makes one realise just how lucky we here in the Antipodes
are Australia and NZ being surrounded by Water and no International
land borders .

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:06:11 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:31:15 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Phil--c wrote:
>>>> Mr. Bill wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>>>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>>>> This may sound a dumb question but what about their Atlantic salmon
>>>> Cod and Crab industries ?
>>>>
>>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>>> Especially in Alberta region
>>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>>
>>
>> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>
>The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't

don't knock it till you've tried it

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:48:49 -0500, wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:06:11 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:
>
wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:31:15 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil--c wrote:
>>>>> Mr. Bill wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>>>>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>>>>> This may sound a dumb question but what about their Atlantic salmon
>>>>> Cod and Crab industries ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>>>> Especially in Alberta region
>>>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>>
>>The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't
>
>don't knock it till you've tried it

And how do you know we haven't?

Alex, who appreciates your devotion to your
homeland despite all reason and logic.

wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:06:11 -0500, Janet Wilder
> > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:31:15 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Phil--c wrote:
>>>>> Mr. Bill wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>>>>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>>>>> This may sound a dumb question but what about their Atlantic salmon
>>>>> Cod and Crab industries ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>>>> Especially in Alberta region
>>>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>>>
>>> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>> The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't
>
> don't knock it till you've tried it

I have tried it. It was yucky. Extremely yucky. That's why I can knock
it, having tried it <g>

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Chemiker wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:48:49 -0500, wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:06:11 -0500, Janet Wilder
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:31:15 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Phil--c wrote:
>>>>>> Mr. Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>>>>>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>>>>>> This may sound a dumb question but what about their Atlantic salmon
>>>>>> Cod and Crab industries ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>>>>> Especially in Alberta region
>>>>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>>>>
>>>> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>>> The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't
>> don't knock it till you've tried it
>
> And how do you know we haven't?
>
> Alex, who appreciates your devotion to your
> homeland despite all reason and logic.
>

Canada has some good eating stuff. I love their butter tarts and
Alexander Keith's IPA.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:15:06 -0500, Chemiker
> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:48:49 -0500, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:06:11 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:
>>
wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 21:31:15 -0500, Janet Wilder
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Phil--c wrote:
>>>>>> Mr. Bill wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:29:55 -0500, jay >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OBFOOD: Are Canadians famous for any foods at all? NO!
>>>>>>> Wrong!! Canadian bacon...................(ducking and running)
>>>>>> This may sound a dumb question but what about their Atlantic salmon
>>>>>> Cod and Crab industries ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also they really do produce a heck of a lot of wheat
>>>>>> Especially in Alberta region
>>>>> Canadians are famous for putting brown gravy on their French fries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes we are, or just a sprinkle of white vinegar with a dash of salt
>>>
>>>The vinegar, I can deal with. The gravy, I can't
>>
>>don't knock it till you've tried it
>
>And how do you know we haven't?
>
>Alex, who appreciates your devotion to your
>homeland despite all reason and logic.

sorry to hear that you've no taste buds

iffu wrote:

> sorry to hear that you've no taste buds

Sorry to see that you're a morphing pederast.

Bob