Sqwertz wrote:
> wrote:
>
>> You might check out the frozen beef pizzle.... -aem
>
> We get fresh uterus, pizzle, and bungs here in Austin.
>
> -sw
>


Sounds like the Hong Kong Market. I miss it.


Becca

Becca wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You might check out the frozen beef pizzle.... -aem
>>
>> We get fresh uterus, pizzle, and bungs here in Austin.
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
>
> Sounds like the Hong Kong Market. I miss it.
>
>
> Becca
Try the Bangkok Sunday market sometime. The dried honey dipped insects
section in particular or maybe the dried squid sold with a packet of
mustard. I found neither very tasty but the Thais were lining up to buy
the stuff.

Dan Abel > writes:


> I looked it up. The adjective is dated, the noun is both dated and
> sometimes offensive.


I looked it up, too, Dan:

"Oriental has been used by the West as a term to describe cultures,
countries, peoples and goods from the Orient. "Oriental" means
generally "eastern". It is a traditional designation (especially when
capitalized) for anything belonging to the Orient or "East" (for
Asia), and especially of its Eastern culture"

Why is it bleeding heart liberals gotta invent bogus issues to assuage
their guilt? Just cuz someone ....a non-Asian, no doubt.... says
"oriental" is offensive, it's so? Horse hockey!! I've never even
imagined the term in a derogatory context. Sorry. No intention, no
foul.

nb

In article >,
wrote:

> Dan Abel > writes:
>
>
> > I looked it up. The adjective is dated, the noun is both dated and
> > sometimes offensive.
>
>
> I looked it up, too, Dan:
>
> "Oriental has been used by the West as a term to describe cultures,
> countries, peoples and goods from the Orient. "Oriental" means
> generally "eastern". It is a traditional designation (especially when
> capitalized) for anything belonging to the Orient or "East" (for
> Asia), and especially of its Eastern culture"
>
> Why is it bleeding heart liberals gotta invent bogus issues to assuage
> their guilt? Just cuz someone ....a non-Asian, no doubt.... says
> "oriental" is offensive, it's so? Horse hockey!! I've never even
> imagined the term in a derogatory context. Sorry. No intention, no
> foul.

I probably should have quoted it literally, and provided an attribution.
It wasn't a bleeding heart liberal source. It is the New Oxford
American Dictionary, which came with my Mac:

oriental (also Oriental)

adjective

1 of, from, or characteristic of the Far East : oriental countries.

? dated of, from, or characteristic of the countries of Asia.

noun ( Oriental) dated, often offensive

a person of Far Eastern descent.

USAGE The term Oriental, denoting a person from the Far East, is
regarded as offensive by many Asians, esp. Asian Americans. It has many
associations with European imperialism in Asia. Therefore, it has an
out-of-date feel and tends to be associated with a rather offensive
stereotype of the people and their customs as inscrutable and exotic.
Asian and more specific terms such as East Asian, Chinese, and Japanese
are preferred.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel > writes:



> It wasn't a bleeding heart liberal source. It is the New Oxford
> American Dictionary, which came with my Mac:

White guilt!

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:49:33 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>In article >,
>wrote:
>
>> Dan Abel > writes:
>>
>>
>> > I looked it up. The adjective is dated, the noun is both dated and
>> > sometimes offensive.
>>
>>
>> I looked it up, too, Dan:
>>
>> "Oriental has been used by the West as a term to describe cultures,
>> countries, peoples and goods from the Orient. "Oriental" means
>> generally "eastern". It is a traditional designation (especially when
>> capitalized) for anything belonging to the Orient or "East" (for
>> Asia), and especially of its Eastern culture"
>>
>> Why is it bleeding heart liberals gotta invent bogus issues to assuage
>> their guilt? Just cuz someone ....a non-Asian, no doubt.... says
>> "oriental" is offensive, it's so? Horse hockey!! I've never even
>> imagined the term in a derogatory context. Sorry. No intention, no
>> foul.
>
>I probably should have quoted it literally, and provided an attribution.
>It wasn't a bleeding heart liberal source. It is the New Oxford
>American Dictionary, which came with my Mac:
>
>oriental (also Oriental)
>
>adjective
>
>1 of, from, or characteristic of the Far East : oriental countries.
>
>? dated of, from, or characteristic of the countries of Asia.
>
>noun ( Oriental) dated, often offensive
>
>a person of Far Eastern descent.
>
>USAGE The term Oriental, denoting a person from the Far East, is
>regarded as offensive by many Asians, esp. Asian Americans. It has many
>associations with European imperialism in Asia. Therefore, it has an
>out-of-date feel and tends to be associated with a rather offensive
>stereotype of the people and their customs as inscrutable and exotic.
>Asian and more specific terms such as East Asian, Chinese, and Japanese
>are preferred.

Many dictionaries like to call themselves Oxford.

The OED doesn't mention a negative connotation; however , it does
appear to be present on a minor scale.

From Wiki....

The term "Oriental" (from the Latin word for "Eastern")[33] was
originally used in Europe in reference to the Near East. It was later
extended to the rest of Asia, but came to refer to Northeast Asians
and Southeast Asians in the 19th and 20th century US,[34] where most
Asians were Chinese (and later Japanese and Filipino). By the late
20th century, the term had gathered associations in North America with
older attitudes now seen as outmoded, and was replaced with the term
"Asian" as part of the updating of language concerning social
identities,[35] which critics have derided as political
correctness.[36] In Europe however use of the term oriental for an
east Asian has no negative connotations attached and is commonly used
since here 'Asian' is taken to mean a South Asian. Note particularly
that, in the UK at least, Indian people (for example) are considered
Asian but not Oriental, giving credence to the point that the term
'Oriental' now means 'East Asian' rather than any meaning related to
the Greenwich Meridian and it's colonial links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people

--
mad

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:47:17 -0500, Andy > wrote:

>George said...
>
>> What is the problem with the term Oriental? Many markets even
>> incorporate that into their name such as the "1st Oriental Supermarket"
>> written in large red letters on their large canopy on the store on 6th
>> and Washington in Philly.
>
>
>George,
>
>I was taught that it was a derogatory reference back in my teens. I never
>used the term again.
>

I don't think it's a derogatory term, but it's more of an eye opener
about who uses it than who it refers to.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:55:46 GMT, "James Silverton"
> wrote:

>I've never seen anything wrong with "Oriental" as a synonym for "Far
>Eastern" tho

I was taught that you name your country in the "far East" (like China)
and Oriental refers to the Middle East. Think "oriental" rugs.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 13:17:30 -0700 (PDT), mkr5000 >
wrote:

>Still would like to know what beef pizzle is. ?

Trust me. You don't want to know.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:

>> I've never seen anything wrong with "Oriental" as a synonym for "Far
>> Eastern" tho
>
> I was taught that you name your country in the "far East" (like China)
> and Oriental refers to the Middle East. Think "oriental" rugs.

Merriam-Webster says: "of, relating to, or constituting the biogeographic
region that includes Asia south and southeast of the Himalayas and the Malay
Archipelago west of Wallace's line"

Bob

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 21:25:49 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>>> I've never seen anything wrong with "Oriental" as a synonym for "Far
>>> Eastern" tho
>>
>> I was taught that you name your country in the "far East" (like China)
>> and Oriental refers to the Middle East. Think "oriental" rugs.
>
>Merriam-Webster says: "of, relating to, or constituting the biogeographic
>region that includes Asia south and southeast of the Himalayas and the Malay
>Archipelago west of Wallace's line"
>
Interesting. I've called it SE Asia and the Malay peninsula since the
'60s.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> mkr5000 > wrote:
>>
>>> I like to hit my local Oriental grocery about once a month ...
>>>
>>> Cuttlefish?
>>
>>
>>
>> It's a mollusc so if you like clams, oysters, scallops, calimari
>> you'll love it. It's a close relative to calimari. Wonderful
>> sauteed.
>>
>> I'll be the third poster so far to mention the sausages. To that
>> I'll add the Chinese style bacon. Plus pretty much any other
>> type of processed pork stuff. It may not look familiar but it
>> will be good.
>
>
> Anybody mention the dried black mushrooms?
>
> I keep meaning to try them but have not got around to it yet.
>
> I do keep a bottle of Pat Chun Garlic Chili Sauce on hand and what is
> called Banana sauce, and every once in a while buy some eschallots
> frites, a small jar of a Vietnamese product that are fried, diced
> shallots, they go very nice as a garnish for a hot soup or scattered on
> a green salad.
>
> The Asian shopping area i occasionally bore people here with my boastful
> ranting about has lots of mushrooms for sale, way more dried than fresh
> but even then lots of fresh that i have no idea about.
>
> I was recently turned on to a hugh mushroom that's almost all stem, one
> way of using is to scoop or carve out a hollow in the really big thick
> stem (4 to 6 inches long 3 - 4 wide), use the mushroom flesh you have
> removed to make a stuffing with, ground chicken & shrimp is good, herbs
> & spices & etc. stuff the mushroom stem shell and bake.
>
> Its a type of common mushroom specially cultivated for the stem, just
> wish i could remember its common name ....


King "Oyster" mushroom.

http://www.foodmayhem.com/2009/01/fi...ter-sauce.html
--
Joseph Littleshoes

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3

Joseph Littleshoes wrote:
>
>
> I was recently turned on to a hugh mushroom that's almost all stem, one
> way of using is to scoop or carve out a hollow in the really big thick
> stem (4 to 6 inches long 3 - 4 wide), use the mushroom flesh you have
> removed to make a stuffing with, ground chicken & shrimp is good, herbs
> & spices & etc. stuff the mushroom stem shell and bake.
>
> Its a type of common mushroom specially cultivated for the stem, just
> wish i could remember its common name ....


King "Oyster" mushroom.

http://www.foodmayhem.com/2009/01/fi...ter-sauce.html
--
Joseph Littleshoes

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:55:46 GMT, James Silverton wrote:

> Andy wrote on Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:47:17 -0500:
>
>>> What is the problem with the term Oriental? Many markets even
>>> incorporate that into their name such as the "1st Oriental
>>> Supermarket" written in large red letters on their large
>>> canopy on the store on 6th and Washington in Philly.
>
>> George,
>
>> I was taught that it was a derogatory reference back in my
>> teens. I never used the term again.
>
> I've never seen anything wrong with "Oriental" as a synonym for "Far
> Eastern" tho' there are some uses that I avoid like "Wog" (even that is
> not too derogatory on the face of it.) There was a British nationalist
> speculation about where wogs began: Calais was traditional.

um, 'wog' has always been a derogatory, nasty term.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog>

i'm not all that strong on 'asian' vs. 'oriental,' but some asians are, so
i would defer to them.

(but just between you and me, i usually say 'black,' not
'african-american.'

a long-ago girlfriend suggested 'blackamericans' (with equal emphasis on
all syllables), and i kinda like that, but it doesn't seem to have caught
on.)

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:27:35 -0600, wrote:

> Dan Abel > writes:
>
>> I looked it up. The adjective is dated, the noun is both dated and
>> sometimes offensive.
>
> I looked it up, too, Dan:
>
> "Oriental has been used by the West as a term to describe cultures,
> countries, peoples and goods from the Orient. "Oriental" means
> generally "eastern". It is a traditional designation (especially when
> capitalized) for anything belonging to the Orient or "East" (for
> Asia), and especially of its Eastern culture"
>
> Why is it bleeding heart liberals gotta invent bogus issues to assuage
> their guilt? Just cuz someone ....a non-Asian, no doubt.... says
> "oriental" is offensive, it's so? Horse hockey!! I've never even
> imagined the term in a derogatory context. Sorry. No intention, no
> foul.
>
> nb

if you insist that the way people refer to themselves is wrong, that's
offensive.

blake

On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

> ShaoXing rice wine (not cooking wine, no salt added, likely only
> available if your Asian market can sell wine)

shaoxing without the salt added has been damn hard to find in the d.c.
area. but as you say, it may be because the don't want to fool with
getting a beer/wine license.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
>> ShaoXing rice wine (not cooking wine, no salt added, likely only
>> available if your Asian market can sell wine)
>
> shaoxing without the salt added has been damn hard to find in the d.c.
> area. but as you say, it may be because the don't want to fool with
> getting a beer/wine license.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Virtually impossible in the Boston area too. I confess that I now
just use sake.

--
Jean B.

On Jun 3, 1:11*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

The Orient refers to the area of
> the world.
>
> nancy
===========================
Nancy, :-)

Where in the world is "The Orient"? My "Asian-American" AKA: A&A
Market is owned by a Cambodian and sells non-perishable foods & fresh
produce & meats for cooking: Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Maylasian,
Indonesian, Laotian, Korean, Philippine, and Indian, Pakistani,
Bosnian, Turkish, Arabian, Lebanese, Syrian, Israeli, Palestinian,
Tunisian, Somali, Sudanese, Moroccan, Egyptian, Mexican, Cuban,
Caribbian and just plain "African" foods. I have never found an
ingredient in a recipe (in hundreds of cookbooks) that I couldn't find
in one of the ethnic markets in Fargo . . . except Moroccan preserved
lemons, but I googled a recipe and make my own.

Lynn in Fargo
hasn't been to the new "Korean" market named Lotus Blossom (they have
prepared Chinese meats like duck and char siu (spelling?)

On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:13:53 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 18:27:35 -0600, wrote:
>
>> Dan Abel > writes:
>>
>>> I looked it up. The adjective is dated, the noun is both dated and
>>> sometimes offensive.
>>
>> I looked it up, too, Dan:
>>
>> "Oriental has been used by the West as a term to describe cultures,
>> countries, peoples and goods from the Orient. "Oriental" means
>> generally "eastern". It is a traditional designation (especially when
>> capitalized) for anything belonging to the Orient or "East" (for
>> Asia), and especially of its Eastern culture"
>>
>> Why is it bleeding heart liberals gotta invent bogus issues to assuage
>> their guilt? Just cuz someone ....a non-Asian, no doubt.... says
>> "oriental" is offensive, it's so? Horse hockey!! I've never even
>> imagined the term in a derogatory context. Sorry. No intention, no
>> foul.
>>
>> nb
>
>if you insist that the way people refer to themselves is wrong, that's
>offensive.
>
>blake

I met a gal on the beach many years ago while out for a stroll.

She told me she was an Eskimo.

After I posted a story about her, I was chided for calling her an
"Eskimo".

Not so. Some pride themselves with the name - others decry it.

The PC crowd get their knickers in a twist when they hear the word.
Same with "Oriental".
--
mad

Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig wrote:
> On Jun 3, 1:11 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> The Orient refers to the area of the world.

> Nancy, :-)
>
> Where in the world is "The Orient"?

I think it's sort of near the Occident, but don't hold me to it. Heh.

> My "Asian-American" AKA: A&A
> Market is owned by a Cambodian and sells non-perishable foods & fresh
> produce & meats for cooking: Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Maylasian,
> Indonesian, Laotian, Korean, Philippine, and Indian, Pakistani,
> Bosnian, Turkish, Arabian, Lebanese, Syrian, Israeli, Palestinian,
> Tunisian, Somali, Sudanese, Moroccan, Egyptian, Mexican, Cuban,
> Caribbian and just plain "African" foods. I have never found an
> ingredient in a recipe (in hundreds of cookbooks) that I couldn't find
> in one of the ethnic markets in Fargo . . . except Moroccan preserved
> lemons, but I googled a recipe and make my own.

Wow. I went crazy looking for gyoza wrappers where I live. I
finally found a market, let me remember the name before I get
into pc trouble. Haha, it's the Asian Food Market.

Notice it's not the Asian market, but the Asian Food Market.
The former is illegal. (laugh)

> Lynn in Fargo
> hasn't been to the new "Korean" market named Lotus Blossom (they have
> prepared Chinese meats like duck and char siu (spelling?)

This place has prepared foods like whole pigs. Roast ducks.

And live tilapia.

nancy

On Jun 4, 12:29*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig wrote:
>
> > On Jun 3, 1:11 pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> > The Orient refers to the area of the world.
> > Nancy, * :-)
>
> > Where in the world is "The Orient"?
>
> I think it's sort of near the Occident, but don't hold me to it. *Heh.
>
> > My "Asian-American" AKA: *A&A
> > Market *is owned by a Cambodian and sells non-perishable foods & fresh
> > produce & meats for cooking: *Thai, Japanese, Chinese, Maylasian,
> > Indonesian, Laotian, Korean, Philippine, and Indian, Pakistani,
> > Bosnian, Turkish, Arabian, Lebanese, Syrian, Israeli, Palestinian,
> > Tunisian, Somali, Sudanese, Moroccan, Egyptian, Mexican, Cuban,
> > Caribbian and just plain "African" foods. *I have never found an
> > ingredient in a recipe (in hundreds of cookbooks) that I couldn't find
> > in one of the ethnic markets in Fargo . . . except Moroccan preserved
> > lemons, but I googled a recipe and make my own.
>
> Wow. *I went crazy looking for gyoza wrappers where I live. *I
> finally found a market, let me remember the name before I get
> into pc trouble. *Haha, it's the Asian Food Market. *
>
> Notice it's not the Asian market, but the Asian Food Market.
> The former is illegal. *(laugh) * *
>
> > Lynn in Fargo
> > hasn't been to the new "Korean" market named Lotus Blossom (they have
> > prepared Chinese meats like duck and char siu (spelling?)
>
> This place has prepared foods like whole pigs. *Roast ducks. *
>
> And live tilapia. *
>
> nancy

Wow! Good for you. I used to love "Stir Fried Double Cooked Pork"
but I didn't want to go to all the trouble to cook the red pork. I
can buy it now!
Lynn
loves Beijing ;-) Duck!

Jean B. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>>
>>> ShaoXing rice wine (not cooking wine, no salt added, likely only
>>> available if your Asian market can sell wine)
>>
>>
>> shaoxing without the salt added has been damn hard to find in the d.c.
>> area. but as you say, it may be because the don't want to fool with
>> getting a beer/wine license.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
>
> Virtually impossible in the Boston area too. I confess that I now just
> use sake.
>


I can get a 25.5 ounce bottle of the red labeled, Chinese Shao Xing rice
wine for $1.50. square or round bottle, salt or no salt. Not that i
would, but i could, did so once, awful stuff, Sake is so much better for
cooking than the Shao Xing 'rice wine'.

I am very fond of equal parts, sake, soy sauce & sesame oil as a sauce,
marinade & etc.
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3

Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig wrote:
> On Jun 3, 1:11*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> The Orient refers to the area of
>
>>the world.
>>
>>nancy

Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the geographic &
theological center "Middle" of the earth.

And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more regionally
chauvinistic than the Chinese.

Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think its place is
the center of the universe, but, according to one theory, in an infinite
and eternal universe, the center is everywhere and there is no
circumference.

--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3

Joseph Littleshoes said...

> Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the geographic &
> theological center "Middle" of the earth.
>
> And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more regionally
> chauvinistic than the Chinese.
>
> Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think its place is
> the center of the universe, but, according to one theory, in an infinite
> and eternal universe, the center is everywhere and there is no
> circumference.


But on any given day, there are more important people in New York City than
anywhere else on earth.

That includes all the cabbies and Sabrett street hot dog vendors.

I suggest the "center" of the earth to be moved to "...New York City???"

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:08:28 -0700, sf > wrote:

> On Wed, 03 Jun 2009 17:55:46 GMT, "James Silverton"
> > wrote:
>
> >I've never seen anything wrong with "Oriental" as a synonym for "Far
> >Eastern" tho
>
> I was taught that you name your country in the "far East" (like China)
> and Oriental refers to the Middle East. Think "oriental" rugs.

Depends what period and who's writing.

Mid Nineteenth to mid Twentieth century "Orient" could have been
anything east of Suez. Near Orient was roughly synonymous with what
we'd now call the Middle East. "The Orient" China and by extension
other parts of the far east, especially in commercial terms cf
Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Company - it got peninsular
from it's start shipping to Spain and Portugal and a little later
Oriental from picking up an Admiralty contract to ship mail to and
from Egypt.

But you're right to point out rugs: in those terms Oriental applied to
much from Asia Minor to the Himalayas. So to in furniture a decidedly
western style with decorative accents gleaned from the east could be
anything from Egyptian to Japanese in influence.

Then there's the Oriental school of paining of the French Second
Empire. :-)


Matthew

--
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In the unlikely event you want to mail me replace usenet with my name

Andy wrote:
> Joseph Littleshoes said...
>
>
>>Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the geographic & theological center "Middle" of the earth.
>>
>>And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more regionally
>>chauvinistic than the Chinese.
>>
>>Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think its place is
>>the center of the universe, but, according to one theory, in an infinite
>>and eternal universe, the center is everywhere and there is no
>>circumference.
>
>
>
> But on any given day, there are more important people in New York City than
> anywhere else on earth.
>
> That includes all the cabbies and Sabrett street hot dog vendors.
>
> I suggest the "center" of the earth to be moved to "...New York City???"
>
> Best,
>
> Andy

Sorry, i have it on very good authority that the The Omphalos of The
universe is in the middle of the cross streets of Channing and Telegraph
in Berkeley Ca.
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

All The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy can really do now is 'pray' that
Pres. Obama blunders just enough to discredit everything they think he
stands for and bring them back to power as a better alternative, but
that he should not blunder so badly that western civilization as we know
it comes to its inevitable end any sooner than necessary.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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Joseph Littleshoes said...

>
>
> Andy wrote:
>> Joseph Littleshoes said...
>>
>>
>>>Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the geographic &
>>>theological center "Middle" of the earth.
>>>
>>>And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more regionally
>>>chauvinistic than the Chinese.
>>>
>>>Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think its place is
>>>the center of the universe, but, according to one theory, in an
>>>infinite and eternal universe, the center is everywhere and there is no
>>>circumference.
>>
>>
>>
>> But on any given day, there are more important people in New York City
>> than anywhere else on earth.
>>
>> That includes all the cabbies and Sabrett street hot dog vendors.
>>
>> I suggest the "center" of the earth to be moved to "...New York
>> City???"
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Andy
>
> Sorry, i have it on very good authority that the The Omphalos of The
> universe is in the middle of the cross streets of Channing and Telegraph
> in Berkeley Ca.
> --
> Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.


Joseph,

I can't picture a UN there.

A great part of Berkeley, as I remember it!

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

blake wrote:

> if you insist that the way people refer to themselves is wrong, that's
> offensive.

Seriously? So if I refer to myself as "Priapus, Beast-God of Libido," it
would be offensive to tell me I was wrong?

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> blake wrote:
>
>
>>if you insist that the way people refer to themselves is wrong, that's
>>offensive.
>
>
> Seriously? So if I refer to myself as "Priapus, Beast-God of Libido," it
> would be offensive to tell me I was wrong?
>
> Bob
>

If you expressed a preference, stated that you preferred to be referred
to as ..... then yes it would be.

At least according to certain basic social conventions as adhered to by
a large number of peoples.

Now if you expressed a preference for being referred to as something the
individual who would use the reference at your request objected to then
it would be up to them to figure out how to relate, politely to you, for
which one option would be to not do so.

There's a person in a group i read who i have filtered her posts out of
my sight because her screen name is, "Projectile Vomit Chick" and her
posting style is aptly described by it.

If i were introduced to a person that wanted to call themselves Adolph
Hitler i would probly consider their desire to do so enough evidence to
avoid them or be in any further contact with them.

Some old Jews wont drive a Mercedes, i know of at least one Italian who
wont listen to Mussolini's son play piano.

However .... Priapus Beast God of Libido would definitely generate some
interest on my part
--
Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3

"Bobo Bonobo®" wrote
"cshenk" > wrote:

>> Watch for eggs that are dyed. They are probably balut. This can be duck
>> or
(snip)

> I have an old buddy who used to work in an egg processing plant. He
> won't eat eggs. He used to call them, "Chicken abortions." The eggs
> you described really are.

LOL! Well let's just say on the 'picky eater' scale I'm a blip of
abnormality.

Humm, what do I not eat?

'Seems gross, wont eat': Brains, eyeballs, sexual organs (unless any of
those are in seafoods where you cant tell that's what they are). I avoid
eating insects when possible but am willing to taste and if fried crunchy
and dipped in chocolate, they can be acceptable. No spiders please though.

I also oddly just flat don't like mustard, collard, or turnip greens (except
there's an asian 'mustard green' we like well enough). I also avoid
cilantro as I'm one of the unfortunates where it tastes like soap.

I think that's it. Anything else that cant slither, run, fly, or crawl
faster than me is fair game and is on the menu. If they do slither, run,
crawl, or fly faster than me and someone else catches it it's lunch!

Andy wrote on Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:48:09 -0500:

>> Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the
>> geographic & theological center "Middle" of the earth.
>>
>> And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more
>> regionally chauvinistic than the Chinese.
>>
>> Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think its
>> place is the center of the universe, but, according to one
>> theory, in an infinite and eternal universe, the center is
>> everywhere and there is no circumference.

> But on any given day, there are more important people in New
> York City than anywhere else on earth.

> That includes all the cabbies and Sabrett street hot dog
> vendors.

> I suggest the "center" of the earth to be moved to "...New
> York City???"

Have you ever looked at the Chinese character for China?
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

James Silverton said...

> Andy wrote on Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:48:09 -0500:
>
>>> Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the
>>> geographic & theological center "Middle" of the earth.
>>>
>>> And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more
>>> regionally chauvinistic than the Chinese.
>>>
>>> Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think its
>>> place is the center of the universe, but, according to one
>>> theory, in an infinite and eternal universe, the center is
>>> everywhere and there is no circumference.
>
>> But on any given day, there are more important people in New
>> York City than anywhere else on earth.
>
>> That includes all the cabbies and Sabrett street hot dog
>> vendors.
>
>> I suggest the "center" of the earth to be moved to "...New
>> York City???"
>
> Have you ever looked at the Chinese character for China?


James,

No I haven't.

Aren't there about 4,000 Chinese written symbols in their alphabet? You
could've provided a link to the character?

I seem to recall the symbol for "fly" has 400 different meanings.

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Or it's "run."

It's been awhile.

Andy

cshenk wrote:

> I also oddly just flat don't like mustard, collard, or turnip greens
> (except there's an asian 'mustard green' we like well enough). I also
> avoid cilantro as I'm one of the unfortunates where it tastes like soap.

A local farmer sells a green he calls "broccoli leaves." I gather that it's
a variety of broccoli raised to have large leaves. Although they very
closely resemble collard greens, they have an underlying sweetness and
broccoli flavor. It's just possible that you might like them if you ran
across them.

Bob

Andy wrote on Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:59:11 -0500:

>> Andy wrote on Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:48:09 -0500:
>>
>>>> Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the
>>>> geographic & theological center "Middle" of the earth.
>>>>
>>>> And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more
>>>> regionally chauvinistic than the Chinese.
>>>>
>>>> Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think
>>>> its place is the center of the universe, but, according to
>>>> one theory, in an infinite and eternal universe, the center
>>>> is everywhere and there is no circumference.
>>
>>> But on any given day, there are more important people in New
>>> York City than anywhere else on earth.
>>
>>> That includes all the cabbies and Sabrett street hot dog
>>> vendors.
>>
>>> I suggest the "center" of the earth to be moved to "...New
>>> York City???"
>>
>> Have you ever looked at the Chinese character for China?

> James,

> No I haven't.

It's an interesting exercise to track it down. Try
http://chineseculture.about.com/libr...characters.htm

The rather simple character expresses the "center of the world" rather
well.
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:02:06 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

> Seriously? So if I refer to myself as "Priapus, Beast-God of Libido," it
> would be offensive to tell me I was wrong?

No, of course not.

Unless, that is, you could produce someone to credibly attest to the
description.


Matthew


--
Mail to this account goes to the bit bucket.
In the unlikely event you want to mail me replace usenet with my name

James Silverton said...

> Andy wrote on Thu, 04 Jun 2009 17:59:11 -0500:
>
>>> Andy wrote on Thu, 04 Jun 2009 15:48:09 -0500:
>>>
>>>>> Some Chinese, a long time ago, thought that China was the
>>>>> geographic & theological center "Middle" of the earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course the Japanese creation myths are even more
>>>>> regionally chauvinistic than the Chinese.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only is there a tendency of the human animal to think
>>>>> its place is the center of the universe, but, according to
>>>>> one theory, in an infinite and eternal universe, the center
>>>>> is everywhere and there is no circumference.
>>>
>>>> But on any given day, there are more important people in New
>>>> York City than anywhere else on earth.
>>>
>>>> That includes all the cabbies and Sabrett street hot dog
>>>> vendors.
>>>
>>>> I suggest the "center" of the earth to be moved to "...New
>>>> York City???"
>>>
>>> Have you ever looked at the Chinese character for China?
>
>> James,
>
>> No I haven't.
>
> It's an interesting exercise to track it down. Try
> http://chineseculture.about.com/libr..._characters.ht
m
>
> The rather simple character expresses the "center of the world" rather
> well.


Geez, James,

I could be there for days!

I'm much happier just having had Eggbeaters French toast and a tall glass
of OJ for breakfast and not think anything further about it.

I don't know Chinese calligraphy in the first place, as handsome as it is!

Best,

Andy
--
Eat first, talk later.

Becca wrote:
> Sqwertz wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You might check out the frozen beef pizzle.... -aem
>>
>> We get fresh uterus, pizzle, and bungs here in Austin.
>
> Sounds like the Hong Kong Market. I miss it.

MT Supermarket (the former store known as My Thanh). It's bigger than
many 99 Ranch 99's.

-sw

blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
>
>> ShaoXing rice wine (not cooking wine, no salt added, likely only
>> available if your Asian market can sell wine)
>
> shaoxing without the salt added has been damn hard to find in the d.c.
> area. but as you say, it may be because the don't want to fool with
> getting a beer/wine license.

I couldn't find it even in northern CA, at 99 Ranch 99's that also sold
hard alcohol. I did buy a liter of some 120 proof rice spirit of some
sort. Lasted 3 whole days!

-sw

Jean B. wrote:

> Virtually impossible in the Boston area too. I confess that I now just
> use sake.

I confess that I use the salted stuff. Keeps me from drinking it
recreationaly.

-sw