I have a question that seems stupid. But my belief is that there
is no such thing as a stupid question. So here it is. I've been
buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. Now when I go to
the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
medium. A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
selling them. I had a feeling that might happen because I always
thought they were over-priced anyway. Usually I steam 3 half breasts
at a time. Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? How
about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
holes in the lid to let the steam out? I'd appreciate some answers on
this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
pavement.

Tommy Joe

On Jun 18, 4:15*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> * *I have a question that seems stupid. *But my belief is that there
> is no such thing as a stupid question. *So here it is. *I've been
> buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
> mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. *Now when I go to
> the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
> medium. *A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
> selling them. *I had a feeling that might happen because I always
> thought they were over-priced anyway. *Usually I steam 3 half breasts
> at a time. *Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
> one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? *How
> about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
> holes in the lid to let the steam out? *I'd appreciate some answers on
> this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
> pavement.

If you cook meat in a microwave, then your suicide would improve the
average quality of food. My answer is, kill yourself.
>
> Tommy Joe

--Bryan

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> wrote:

> I have a question that seems stupid. But my belief is that there
>is no such thing as a stupid question. So here it is. I've been
>buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
>mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. Now when I go to
>the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
>medium. A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
>selling them. I had a feeling that might happen because I always
>thought they were over-priced anyway. Usually I steam 3 half breasts
>at a time. Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
>one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? How
>about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
>holes in the lid to let the steam out? I'd appreciate some answers on
>this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
>pavement.
>
>Tommy Joe


Some plastics are only made for storage and not for cooking.
There was a study up here that found that the cheap plastic containers
are only for storage and not even acceptable for re-heating foods.
These release toxins that can leach into the food when used in the
microwave. I'd advise against it.

On Jun 18, 2:15*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> * *I have a question that seems stupid. *But my belief is that there
> is no such thing as a stupid question. *So here it is. *I've been
> buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
> mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. *Now when I go to
> the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
> medium. *A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
> selling them. *I had a feeling that might happen because I always
> thought they were over-priced anyway. *Usually I steam 3 half breasts
> at a time. *Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
> one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? *How
> about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
> holes in the lid to let the steam out? *I'd appreciate some answers on
> this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
> pavement.
>
> Tommy Joe

Not sure if you are nuking or baking, but I make foil packets to pop
in the oven...

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Merryb >
wrote:

>On Jun 18, 2:15*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
>> * *I have a question that seems stupid. *But my belief is that there
>> is no such thing as a stupid question. *So here it is. *I've been
>> buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
>> mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. *Now when I go to
>> the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
>> medium. *A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
>> selling them. *I had a feeling that might happen because I always
>> thought they were over-priced anyway. *Usually I steam 3 half breasts
>> at a time. *Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
>> one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? *How
>> about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
>> holes in the lid to let the steam out? *I'd appreciate some answers on
>> this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
>> pavement.
>>
>> Tommy Joe
>
>Not sure if you are nuking or baking, but I make foil packets to pop
>in the oven...


She stated above that she's buying over-priced microwave steamer bags,
whatcha think?

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:25:58 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

> On Jun 18, 4:15*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
>> * *I have a question that seems stupid. *But my belief is that there
>> is no such thing as a stupid question. *So here it is. *I've been
>> buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
>> mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. *Now when I go to
>> the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
>> medium. *A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
>> selling them. *I had a feeling that might happen because I always
>> thought they were over-priced anyway. *Usually I steam 3 half breasts
>> at a time. *Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
>> one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? *How
>> about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
>> holes in the lid to let the steam out? *I'd appreciate some answers on
>> this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
>> pavement.
>
> If you cook meat in a microwave, then your suicide would improve the
> average quality of food. My answer is, kill yourself.
>>

bobo, if it troubles you that much maybe you should eliminate the
middleman.

blake

Tommy Joe wrote:
>
> I have a question that seems stupid. But my belief is that there
> is no such thing as a stupid question. So here it is. I've been
> buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
> mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. Now when I go to
> the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
> medium. A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
> selling them. I had a feeling that might happen because I always
> thought they were over-priced anyway. Usually I steam 3 half breasts
> at a time. Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
> one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? How
> about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
> holes in the lid to let the steam out? I'd appreciate some answers on
> this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
> pavement.
>
> Tommy Joe

Perhaps an option would be to get a dedicated steamer for the microwave
oven? As was mentioned already, many plastic containers are not
appropriate to use to heat/cook foods in the microwave oven because
toxins can leach into the foods. Those cheap plastic containers are
definitely not recommended for microwave use for this very reason! If
you steam often, then "investing" in a microwave steamer from a
reputable company (e.g., Corning, Anchor, etc.) might be a good option.

Sky, who does not use the MW oven for cooking

--
Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

">Stu" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > wrote:
>
>> I have a question that seems stupid. But my belief is that there
>>is no such thing as a stupid question. So here it is. I've been
>>buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
>>mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken.
(much snippage)
>>
>>Tommy Joe
>
>
> Some plastics are only made for storage and not for cooking.
> There was a study up here that found that the cheap plastic containers
> are only for storage and not even acceptable for re-heating foods.
> These release toxins that can leach into the food when used in the
> microwave. I'd advise against it.


Where exactly is "up here"? You really need to be specific since we have no
clue where you are.

And to the OP, why would you want to steam chicken? You should poach it, if
that's the end result you want... which is basically bland, nearly rubber
chicken breast halves.

Jill <---doesn't cook in plastic

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:31:17 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>">Stu" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I have a question that seems stupid. But my belief is that there
>>>is no such thing as a stupid question. So here it is. I've been
>>>buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
>>>mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken.
>(much snippage)
>>>
>>>Tommy Joe
>>
>>
>> Some plastics are only made for storage and not for cooking.
>> There was a study up here that found that the cheap plastic containers
>> are only for storage and not even acceptable for re-heating foods.
>> These release toxins that can leach into the food when used in the
>> microwave. I'd advise against it.
>
>
>Where exactly is "up here"? You really need to be specific since we have no
>clue where you are.

Jill, you know I'm in Canada, have you forgotten so quick?

>
>And to the OP, why would you want to steam chicken? You should poach it, if
>that's the end result you want... which is basically bland, nearly rubber
>chicken breast halves.
>
>Jill <---doesn't cook in plastic

Merryb wrote:
>
> Not sure if you are nuking or baking, but I make foil packets to pop
> in the oven...

But not a microwave oven, of course.

On Jun 18, 2:15*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> * *I have a question that seems stupid. *But my belief is that there
> is no such thing as a stupid question. *So here it is. *I've been
> buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
> mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken. *Now when I go to
> the stores I see the large size is hard to find, all they have is
> medium. *A stocker at one store told me they're getting ready to stop
> selling them. *I had a feeling that might happen because I always
> thought they were over-priced anyway. *Usually I steam 3 half breasts
> at a time. *Can't I do that in a regular plastic container like the
> one I put the steamed chicken into after it comes out of the bag? *How
> about if I buy 3 cheap ones in a set at WalMart, then poke little
> holes in the lid to let the steam out? *I'd appreciate some answers on
> this before I blow my brains out and leave them steaming on the
> pavement.
>
> Tommy Joe

Just put the chicken breasts on a plate, made out of china, or glass,
or plastic, or paper, then cover with plastic wrap or waxed paper, and
cook them in the microwave.

You don't need a special device. This also works for pieces of fish.

Susan B.

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> If you cook meat in a microwave, then your suicide would improve the
> average quality of food. My answer is, kill yourself.
> >
> > Tommy Joe
>
> --Bryan


I swear to God, Bryan, one of the best meals I make is made almost
exclusively in the microwave. I'm proud of it. I steam the chicken.
I make brown rice on the stove. I put both in the fridge. In a large
oblong container I have a variety of fresh veggies cleaned and cored
and ready to be cut as I desire - cabbage, red bell pepper, fresno
chiles, scallions, brocoli, (I even use the stalks), etc. Then, in
separate plastic bags I have mushrooms and some cilantro. Each day I
take a bit of the rice and the chicken and toss it in a bowl with some
cut up veggies, pour some lemonjuice, olive oil, salt, pepper and
cayenne on it, mix it together and put it in the micro for 4 minutes.
The raw veggies cook down just right, and the already cooked rice and
chicken does not overcook. One of the main reasons I steam my chicken
is that my stove is very old and filthy and I'm too lazy to clean it,
and the clean job never seems to last very long anyway.

Tommy Joe

sueb wrote:

>
> Just put the chicken breasts on a plate, made out of china, or glass,
> or plastic, or paper, then cover with plastic wrap or waxed paper, and
> cook them in the microwave.
>
> You don't need a special device. This also works for pieces of fish.
>
> Susan B.


Thanks to all who responded, even those who sounded vehemently anti-
microwave. I like your suggestion best, Susan (but the others are not
ignored), because I have in fact cooked things that way in the micro,
but instead of wax paper or plastic I use paper towels. Wouldn't that
work here too? Also, for those who think steamed chicken from the
microwave has a rubbery texture, I won't deny it, but I don't make
them to be eaten whole. I put them in the fridge. When they're cold
they slice really nice, just like they came out of the oven, and I
then toss the pieces into other things I'm making. Anyway, thanks to
all, and once again, Susan, how do you feel about the paper towels
instead of wax paper or plastic?

Tommy Joe (I was getting sick of those bags anyway)

"Me" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:31:17 -0400, "jmcquown" >
> wrote:
>
>>">Stu" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a question that seems stupid. But my belief is that there
>>>>is no such thing as a stupid question. So here it is. I've been
>>>>buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
>>>>mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken.
>>(much snippage)
>>>>
>>>>Tommy Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> Some plastics are only made for storage and not for cooking.
>>> There was a study up here that found that the cheap plastic containers
>>> are only for storage and not even acceptable for re-heating foods.
>>> These release toxins that can leach into the food when used in the
>>> microwave. I'd advise against it.
>>
>>
>>Where exactly is "up here"? You really need to be specific since we have
>>no
>>clue where you are.
>
> Jill, you know I'm in Canada, have you forgotten so quick?
>
Sorry, but I don't remember the specfic geographic location of everyone who
posts I'm pretty sure others are the same way unless a person has been
posting here for *years*. and hasn't changed their nickname multiple
times. Case in point, I replied to you as '>Stu' and you replied as 'Me'.
How am I supposed to keep up with that? LOL

Jill

On Jun 18, 4:31*pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> ">Stu" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > > wrote:
>
> >> * I have a question that seems stupid. *But my belief is that there
> >>is no such thing as a stupid question. *So here it is. *I've been
> >>buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
> >>mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken.
> (much snippage)
>
> >>Tommy Joe
>
> > Some plastics are only made for storage and not for cooking.
> > There was a study up here that found that the cheap plastic containers
> > are only for storage and not even acceptable for re-heating foods.
> > These release toxins that can leach into the food when used in the
> > microwave. I'd advise against it.
>
> Where exactly is "up here"? *You really need to be specific since we have no
> clue where you are.
>
> And to the OP, why would you want to steam chicken? *You should poach it, if
> that's the end result you want... which is basically bland, nearly rubber
> chicken breast halves.
>
> Jill <---doesn't cook in plastic

My FIL, rest his soul, used to take low-fat ground meat, put it in a
strainer, and pour boiling water over it until all the fat was gone.
Then he'd cook it.

For some people, losing the fat is their goal. Who are we to question
his taste. Heck, see Barb for her description of ruby delights<g>

Now, maybe we should offer him suggestions on how to poach that
chicken in wine or stock, or en papillot (sp) with aromatics for a
whole new taste sensation.

maxine in ri

"maxine" > wrote in message
...
On Jun 18, 4:31 pm, "jmcquown" > wrote:
> ">Stu" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:15:58 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> > > wrote:
>
> >> I have a question that seems stupid. But my belief is that there
> >>is no such thing as a stupid question. So here it is. I've been
> >>buying those over-priced microwave steamer bags since they came out,
> >>mainly, almost exclusively, for steaming chicken.
> (much snippage)
>
> >>Tommy Joe
>
> > Some plastics are only made for storage and not for cooking.
> > There was a study up here that found that the cheap plastic containers
> > are only for storage and not even acceptable for re-heating foods.
> > These release toxins that can leach into the food when used in the
> > microwave. I'd advise against it.
>
> And to the OP, why would you want to steam chicken? You should poach it,
> if
> that's the end result you want... which is basically bland, nearly rubber
> chicken breast halves.
>
> Jill <---doesn't cook in plastic

My FIL, rest his soul, used to take low-fat ground meat, put it in a
strainer, and pour boiling water over it until all the fat was gone.
Then he'd cook it.

For some people, losing the fat is their goal. Who are we to question
his taste. Heck, see Barb for her description of ruby delights<g>

Now, maybe we should offer him suggestions on how to poach that
chicken in wine or stock, or en papillot (sp) with aromatics for a
whole new taste sensation.

maxine in ri



I have nothing against eliminating fat in ones diet. I don't eat a lot of
fatty foods; most of it I get if I eat in a restaurant where I can't control
the ingredients. I don't dine out frequently. I trim meats and even
chicken of excess fat before I cook it, regardless of the cooking method.
Poaching is a fairly simple process, simmering in water, broth, add a little
wine if desired. Add herbs, spices and (absolutely) vegetables to add
flavour.

A quick Google search netted me several sites, the first of which is this:

http://www.ehow.com/how_13882_poach-chicken.html

or this one:

http://lowfatcooking.about.com/od/ch...hedchicken.htm

The best advice for poached chicken is to cook only until it is heated
through (which the first site says). Poached chicken (or fish) will
continue to cook even after it's removed from the hot liquid.

Jill

On Jun 18, 8:04*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> > If you cook meat in a microwave, then your suicide would improve the
> > average quality of food. *My answer is, kill yourself.
>
> > > Tommy Joe
>
> > --Bryan
>
> * *I swear to God, Bryan, one of the best meals I make is made almost
> exclusively in the microwave. *I'm proud of it. *I steam the chicken.
> I make brown rice on the stove. *I put both in the fridge. *In a large
> oblong container I have a variety of fresh veggies cleaned and cored
> and ready to be cut as I desire - cabbage, red bell pepper, fresno
> chiles, scallions, brocoli, (I even use the stalks), etc. *Then, in
> separate plastic bags I have mushrooms and some cilantro. *Each day I
> take a bit of the rice and the chicken and toss it in a bowl with some
> cut up veggies, pour some lemonjuice, olive oil, salt, pepper and
> cayenne on it, mix it together and put it in the micro for 4 minutes.
> The raw veggies cook down just right, and the already cooked rice and
> chicken does not overcook. *One of the main reasons I steam my chicken
> is that my stove is very old and filthy and I'm too lazy to clean it,
> and the clean job never seems to last very long anyway.

That all sounds fine except the raw chicken going into the microwave.
Yuck. The very smell of meat cooked in a microwave is a turnoff. I
know this, as I microwave discarded portions of chicken so that I'm
not putting raw chicken into the garbage where natural processes
produce an even more hideous odor. Microwaves do something different
to the proteins in raw meat that regular heat cooking does not.
That's why almost no one cooks meat in a microwave. Perhaps that's
the reason they are no longer going to sell the large bags.

You could accomplish the same thing by baking the chicken covered in a
Dutch oven like this one: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1552229...7619683985776/
Corning Ware cleans up very easily too. You'll save money, eat better
and won't be putting one of those bags into a landfill.

About the suicide thing. You set that up. The humor gods would have
punished me if I hadn't obliged.

>
> Tommy Joe

--Bryan

On Jun 18, 8:11*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> sueb wrote:
>
> > Just put the chicken breasts on a plate, made out of china, or glass,
> > or plastic, or paper, then cover with plastic wrap or waxed paper, and
> > cook them in the microwave.
>
> > You don't need a special device. *This also works for pieces of fish.
>
> > Susan B.
>
> * *Thanks to all who responded, even those who sounded vehemently anti-
> microwave. *I like your suggestion best, Susan

Her suggestion was the *worst* one. It still involved cooking raw
chicken in a microwave.
>
> Tommy Joe *(I was getting sick of those bags anyway)

--Bryan

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
>
> > Thanks to all who responded, even those who sounded vehemently anti-
> > microwave. I like your suggestion best, Susan
>
> Her suggestion was the *worst* one. It still involved cooking raw
> chicken in a microwave.
> >
> > Tommy Joe (I was getting sick of those bags anyway)



You need a little poverty in your life, Bryan. I've stayed in a
few places with the bath down the hall and no kitchen. But we had a
microwave. We'd go out and shoplift a few steaks and make them in the
microwave. Of course they're better broiled or fried or grilled, I
know that - but when you're hungry and a bit inventive it's surprising
how good you can make some things taste. I agree that meat is not
best out of a microwave. However, when it comes to steaming the
chicken, I do that only to put the chicken in the fridge and use it
cold in salads and so forth. It's pretty good in pasta salad, and
it's easy to make. I appreciate all comments on the matter, thanks to
all who answered. Is there a way a person can stick their head in a
microwave (just to see what happens), and make it work without closing
the door? I suppose a person could carve a hole in the door, then
stick their head into the hole with the door shut and their neck
pressed tight against all sides of it to block out air or anything
that might intefere with the dizzying rays of brain-frying brilliance
that bounce off the inner walls of the microwave.

Tommy Joe

On Jun 20, 6:22*am, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> > > * *Thanks to all who responded, even those who sounded vehemently anti-
> > > microwave. *I like your suggestion best, Susan
>
> > Her suggestion was the *worst* one. *It still involved cooking raw
> > chicken in a microwave.
>
> > > Tommy Joe *(I was getting sick of those bags anyway)
>
> * * *You need a little poverty in your life, Bryan. *I've stayed in a
> few places with the bath down the hall and no kitchen. *But we had a
> microwave. *We'd go out and shoplift a few steaks and make them in the
> microwave. *Of course they're better broiled or fried or grilled, I
> know that - but when you're hungry and a bit inventive it's surprising
> how good you can make some things taste. *I agree that meat is not
> best out of a microwave. *However, when it comes to steaming the
> chicken, I do that only to put the chicken in the fridge and use it
> cold in salads and so forth. *It's pretty good in pasta salad, and
> it's easy to make. *I appreciate all comments on the matter, thanks to
> all who answered. *Is there a way a person can stick their head in a
> microwave (just to see what happens), and make it work without closing
> the door? *I suppose a person could carve a hole in the door, then
> stick their head into the hole with the door shut and their neck
> pressed tight against all sides of it to block out air or anything
> that might intefere with the dizzying rays of brain-frying brilliance
> that bounce off the inner walls of the microwave.

I was homeless for three months back when I was 20 years only John K.
can confirm this, as he was supplying my with 2 day old old-fashioned
donuts. I've slept out in the snow.. I ate a lot of cheap PBJs, and
was introduced to Campbell's condensed New England clam chowder by a
lovely young lady who gave me some. It would never had occurred to me
to buy a steak and then proceed to trash it--MUCH LESS stealing one
only for such a purpose. Shoplifting peanut butter (which I've never
done), or trespassing in McDonald's dumpster are to wait for discarded
Cheeseburgers (which I have done) are both crimes, but ones you could
defend yourself with, "I was hungry." A steak puts you in different
moral territory.
The real thing going on here is that you don't care that much about
the quality of food. Maybe you could claim nostalgia for the bad old
days, but you even admit that microwaving the meat is less than
ideal. Sorry, but not-that-bad is not a standard I apply to cooking.
If you can afford "those bags" that you're "getting sick of," you can
afford a proper poaching apparatus. Maybe you could shoplift one and
then you could be treated to three free meals a day that are
consistent with what you've gotten accustomed to.
>
> Tommy Joe

--Bryan

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:36:40 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> About the suicide thing. You set that up. The humor gods would have
> punished me if I hadn't obliged.
>

if there were humor gods you would have been struck dead long ago.

blake

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
>
> I was homeless for three months back when I was 20 years only John K.
> can confirm this, as he was supplying my with 2 day old old-fashioned
> donuts. I've slept out in the snow.. I ate a lot of cheap PBJs, and
> was introduced to Campbell's condensed New England clam chowder by a
> lovely young lady who gave me some. It would never had occurred to me
> to buy a steak and then proceed to trash it--MUCH LESS stealing one
> only for such a purpose. Shoplifting peanut butter (which I've never
> done), or trespassing in McDonald's dumpster are to wait for discarded
> Cheeseburgers (which I have done) are both crimes, but ones you could
> defend yourself with, "I was hungry." A steak puts you in different
> moral territory.
> The real thing going on here is that you don't care that much about
> the quality of food. Maybe you could claim nostalgia for the bad old
> days, but you even admit that microwaving the meat is less than
> ideal. Sorry, but not-that-bad is not a standard I apply to cooking.
> If you can afford "those bags" that you're "getting sick of," you can
> afford a proper poaching apparatus. Maybe you could shoplift one and
> then you could be treated to three free meals a day that are
> consistent with what you've gotten accustomed to.


Sorry, you're wrong, I do care about the quality of food, and I
never said I favored the microwave over other cooking methods,
although I do think it has it's advantages. I no longer shoplift.
That was in my younger days. Oh yes, I stole steaks nearly every day
for 5 years in my 20s. Usually we'd have a kitchen and we'd broil
them. If a bunch of us got together, the shoplifters among us would
steal the meat, and those with money would supply the veggies and
beer, etc. The person whose kitchen we used did not have to steal or
pay. Sometimes I'd put a bunch of the steaks in the broiler and light
up a pall mall cigaret, smoke it, then turn over the steaks and light
another one. Perfect. About 6 to 7 minutes per side. Then I'd take
the steaks out and cut them into chunks and put them in a huge
communal bowl. Other times I'd make actual plates of food. But the
shoplifting days are over, at least for now, and I have never felt too
guilty about it and am in fact proud of some of the stories I could
tell about some of the things I've shoplifted. I will look into the
poaching method. My stove is ugly and old. Top of the stove cooking
or the microwave are all I can handle. Thanks.

Tommy Joe

Stu wrote:
>
>
> >Is there a way a person can stick their head in a
> >microwave (just to see what happens), and make it work without closing
> >the door? I suppose a person could carve a hole in the door, then
> >stick their head into the hole with the door shut and their neck
> >pressed tight against all sides of it to block out air or anything
> >that might intefere with the dizzying rays of brain-frying brilliance
> >that bounce off the inner walls of the microwave.


> Try it and get back to us about the experience.


I tried it once with a living insect but couldn't get a good view
through the clouded door. I tried it with the door open. The
microwave wouldn't work with the door open. So I'm guessing if
someone wants to fry their brain with a microwave they're going to
have to cut a hole in the door, then close it with their head inside
the hole before hitting the 'on' switch. I have a feeling if I try it
I won't be getting back with you about it. Maybe I could cut a small
hole in the door, just for my arm.

Tommy Joe

On Jun 20, 6:18*pm, Tommy Joe > wrote:
> Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> > I was homeless for three months back when I was 20 years only *John K..
> > can confirm this, as he was supplying my with 2 day old old-fashioned
> > donuts. *I've slept out in the snow.. I ate a lot of cheap PBJs, and
> > was introduced to Campbell's condensed New England clam chowder by a
> > lovely young lady who gave me some. *It would never had occurred to me
> > to buy a steak and then proceed to trash it--MUCH LESS stealing one
> > only for such a purpose. *Shoplifting peanut butter (which I've never
> > done), or trespassing in McDonald's dumpster are to wait for discarded
> > Cheeseburgers (which I have done) are both crimes, but ones you could
> > defend yourself with, "I was hungry." *A steak puts you in different
> > moral territory.
> > The real thing going on here is that you don't care that much about
> > the quality of food. *Maybe you could claim nostalgia for the bad old
> > days, but you even admit that microwaving the meat is less than
> > ideal. *Sorry, but not-that-bad is not a standard I apply to cooking.
> > If you can afford "those bags" that you're "getting sick of," you can
> > afford a proper poaching apparatus. *Maybe you could shoplift one and
> > then you could be treated to three free meals a day that are
> > consistent with what you've gotten accustomed to.
>
> * *Sorry, you're wrong, I do care about the quality of food, and I
> never said I favored the microwave over other cooking methods,
> although I do think it has it's advantages. *I no longer shoplift.
> That was in my younger days. *Oh yes, I stole steaks nearly every day
> for 5 years in my 20s. *Usually we'd have a kitchen and we'd broil
> them. *If a bunch of us got together, the shoplifters among us would
> steal the meat, and those with money would supply the veggies and
> beer, etc. *The person whose kitchen we used did not have to steal or
> pay. *Sometimes I'd put a bunch of the steaks in the broiler and light
> up a pall mall cigaret, smoke it, then turn over the steaks and light
> another one. *Perfect. *About 6 to 7 minutes per side. *Then I'd take
> the steaks out and cut them into chunks and put them in a huge
> communal bowl. *Other times I'd make actual plates of food. *But the
> shoplifting days are over, at least for now, and I have never felt too
> guilty about it and am in fact proud of some of the stories I could
> tell about some of the things I've shoplifted. *I will look into the
> poaching method. *My stove is ugly and old. *Top of the stove cooking
> or the microwave are all I can handle. *Thanks.
>
If everything you're claiming is true, you are the biggest piece of
trash to post here in quite a while.
>
> Tommy Joe

--Bryan

On Jun 20, 10:20*pm, Stu > wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> >> I was homeless for three months back when I was 20 years only *John K.
> >> can confirm this, as he was supplying my with 2 day old old-fashioned
> >> donuts. *I've slept out in the snow.. I ate a lot of cheap PBJs, and
> >> was introduced to Campbell's condensed New England clam chowder by a
> >> lovely young lady who gave me some. *It would never had occurred to me
> >> to buy a steak and then proceed to trash it--MUCH LESS stealing one
> >> only for such a purpose. *Shoplifting peanut butter (which I've never
> >> done), or trespassing in McDonald's dumpster are to wait for discarded
> >> Cheeseburgers (which I have done) are both crimes, but ones you could
> >> defend yourself with, "I was hungry." *A steak puts you in different
> >> moral territory.
> >> The real thing going on here is that you don't care that much about
> >> the quality of food. *Maybe you could claim nostalgia for the bad old
> >> days, but you even admit that microwaving the meat is less than
> >> ideal. *Sorry, but not-that-bad is not a standard I apply to cooking..
> >> If you can afford "those bags" that you're "getting sick of," you can
> >> afford a proper poaching apparatus. *Maybe you could shoplift one and
> >> then you could be treated to three free meals a day that are
> >> consistent with what you've gotten accustomed to.
>
> > * Sorry, you're wrong, I do care about the quality of food, and I
> >never said I favored the microwave over other cooking methods,
> >although I do think it has it's advantages. *I no longer shoplift.
> >That was in my younger days. *Oh yes, I stole steaks nearly every day
> >for 5 years in my 20s. *Usually we'd have a kitchen and we'd broil
> >them. *If a bunch of us got together, the shoplifters among us would
> >steal the meat, and those with money would supply the veggies and
> >beer, etc. *The person whose kitchen we used did not have to steal or
> >pay. *Sometimes I'd put a bunch of the steaks in the broiler and light
> >up a pall mall cigaret, smoke it, then turn over the steaks and light
> >another one. *Perfect. *About 6 to 7 minutes per side. *Then I'd take
> >the steaks out and cut them into chunks and put them in a huge
> >communal bowl. *Other times I'd make actual plates of food. *But the
> >shoplifting days are over, at least for now, and I have never felt too
> >guilty about it and am in fact proud of some of the stories I could
> >tell about some of the things I've shoplifted. *I will look into the
> >poaching method. *My stove is ugly and old. *Top of the stove cooking
> >or the microwave are all I can handle. *Thanks.
>
> >Tommy Joe
>
> You cook your way, he his (simple as that). *You want to learn
> something new by hanging here, he on the other hand thinks he's gods
> gift to food and food prep. You'll learn about him and his nasty mouth
> quick enough if you hang here longer

Stu,
You suggest a lot of *really* crappy recipes, you post some of them,
and you seem like you'll defend any awful culinary faux pas, but
otherwise you're probably a prefectly respectable person. This guy is
proud of his shoplifting steaks while living an alcohol and cigarette
filled lifestyle. He's scum. I don't think that I'm "gods
gift to food and food prep." Far from it. I am a middling cook, with
limited talents, who tends toward simplicity. I *do* ascribe to the
bad ingredients in, bad food out way of thinking, and I'm not alone in
that. You use freakin' Cool Whip. You should "learn something new by
hanging here," and that is that 1969 was forty years ago, and recipes
gleaned from old Bisquick boxes and 60s Ladies' mags are a sad joke.

Lose the bad ingredients. Screw the shortcuts that put you in a
category with Sandra Lee. I'd be a pretty pleasant fellow around here
if I quit calling folks out on crappy cooking, true, but it's not
likely to happen.

--Bryan

Stu wrote:
>
>
>
>
> You cook your way, he his (simple as that). You want to learn
> something new by hanging here, he on the other hand thinks he's gods
> gift to food and food prep. You'll learn about him and his nasty mouth
> quick enough if you hang here longer.


Arguing with people on the internet makes me hungry.

Tommy Joe (healthy eater)

Stu wrote:
>
>
>
> then you could baste it with the other arm.


I tend to think that sticking one's arm in the microwave wouldn't
feel much different from the old kid days when we'd use a magnifying
glass to bake an ant to death or start a leaf on fire. How long would
it take, that's what I wonder? How long before you'd begin to feel it
cooking? Probably not long. It's a good thing the microwave wasn't
around when I was a kid. I might have used it to experiment with
cooking live animals. Even today my sick yet curious mind wonders
what it would look like to cook a living animal in a microwave. But
being older I would never do that now. I won't even go hunting, for
anything. But I will kill an insect without much feeling, even
knowing it's a living thing that only wants to live and eat, and was
forced into existence just like the rest of us. Happy eating to all.

Tommy Joe

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> On Jun 20, 10:20 pm, Stu > wrote:
> > On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:18:29 -0700 (PDT), Tommy Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
> >
> > >> I was homeless for three months back when I was 20 years only John K.
> > >> can confirm this, as he was supplying my with 2 day old old-fashioned
> > >> donuts. I've slept out in the snow.. I ate a lot of cheap PBJs, and
> > >> was introduced to Campbell's condensed New England clam chowder by a
> > >> lovely young lady who gave me some. It would never had occurred to me
> > >> to buy a steak and then proceed to trash it--MUCH LESS stealing one
> > >> only for such a purpose. Shoplifting peanut butter (which I've never
> > >> done), or trespassing in McDonald's dumpster are to wait for discarded
> > >> Cheeseburgers (which I have done) are both crimes, but ones you could
> > >> defend yourself with, "I was hungry." A steak puts you in different
> > >> moral territory.
> > >> The real thing going on here is that you don't care that much about
> > >> the quality of food. Maybe you could claim nostalgia for the bad old
> > >> days, but you even admit that microwaving the meat is less than
> > >> ideal. Sorry, but not-that-bad is not a standard I apply to cooking..
> > >> If you can afford "those bags" that you're "getting sick of," you can
> > >> afford a proper poaching apparatus. Maybe you could shoplift one and
> > >> then you could be treated to three free meals a day that are
> > >> consistent with what you've gotten accustomed to.
> >
> > > Sorry, you're wrong, I do care about the quality of food, and I
> > >never said I favored the microwave over other cooking methods,
> > >although I do think it has it's advantages. I no longer shoplift.
> > >That was in my younger days. Oh yes, I stole steaks nearly every day
> > >for 5 years in my 20s. Usually we'd have a kitchen and we'd broil
> > >them. If a bunch of us got together, the shoplifters among us would
> > >steal the meat, and those with money would supply the veggies and
> > >beer, etc. The person whose kitchen we used did not have to steal or
> > >pay. Sometimes I'd put a bunch of the steaks in the broiler and light
> > >up a pall mall cigaret, smoke it, then turn over the steaks and light
> > >another one. Perfect. About 6 to 7 minutes per side. Then I'd take
> > >the steaks out and cut them into chunks and put them in a huge
> > >communal bowl. Other times I'd make actual plates of food. But the
> > >shoplifting days are over, at least for now, and I have never felt too
> > >guilty about it and am in fact proud of some of the stories I could
> > >tell about some of the things I've shoplifted. I will look into the
> > >poaching method. My stove is ugly and old. Top of the stove cooking
> > >or the microwave are all I can handle. Thanks.
> >
> > >Tommy Joe
> >
> > You cook your way, he his (simple as that). You want to learn
> > something new by hanging here, he on the other hand thinks he's gods
> > gift to food and food prep. You'll learn about him and his nasty mouth
> > quick enough if you hang here longer
>
> Stu,
> You suggest a lot of *really* crappy recipes, you post some of them,
> and you seem like you'll defend any awful culinary faux pas, but
> otherwise you're probably a prefectly respectable person. This guy is
> proud of his shoplifting steaks while living an alcohol and cigarette
> filled lifestyle. He's scum. I don't think that I'm "gods
> gift to food and food prep." Far from it. I am a middling cook, with
> limited talents, who tends toward simplicity. I *do* ascribe to the
> bad ingredients in, bad food out way of thinking, and I'm not alone in
> that. You use freakin' Cool Whip. You should "learn something new by
> hanging here," and that is that 1969 was forty years ago, and recipes
> gleaned from old Bisquick boxes and 60s Ladies' mags are a sad joke.
>
> Lose the bad ingredients. Screw the shortcuts that put you in a
> category with Sandra Lee. I'd be a pretty pleasant fellow around here
> if I quit calling folks out on crappy cooking, true, but it's not
> likely to happen.


Calling me 'scum' is going a bit far. Could I have escaped that
label by not admitting to you that I shoplifted in my younger days? A
really good cook should be able to work with whatever he's got, don't
you think? Even scum. Work with me, baby.

Tommy Joe

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 21:31:28 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> Lose the bad ingredients. Screw the shortcuts that put you in a
> category with Sandra Lee. I'd be a pretty pleasant fellow around here
> if I quit calling folks out on crappy cooking, true, but it's not
> likely to happen.
>

nobody cares.

you think you're on some kind of public service mission, thinking you're
some kind of bold iconoclast, but all it is self-aggrandizement. you're
not telling anybody anything they don't already know.

blake

Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
>
>
> If everything you're claiming is true, you are the biggest piece of
> trash to post here in quite a while.


Not everything I said in that post was true, but I'll accept the
trash label proudly, since it's coming from you. You said I'm the
biggest piece of trash to come here in a while, implying there are
others. Did they all leave? If some of them are still around I'd
like to know who they are. They could be interesting characters

Tommy Joe.