This morning the TODAY Show had a segment on 5 things to buy now or in a
down economy

Expensive Wine (Deal $125 per bottle now only $69.00)
Diamonds (Deal $30,000 1 Ct diamond flawless for only 19K)
Furniture (Deal $1,000.00 recliner only $600.00 )
Vacations (Vacation rentals) (Deal $1750/ per week only $1,500 per week)
Summer cruises. (Deal nothing specified )

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...42743#31442743

I think this is important information for the unemployed.

I believe the proper term is having one's head in a biologically impossible
place - Not to worry the uninsured can easily go to the hospital and have it
taken care of.

Dimitri

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
...
> This morning the TODAY Show had a segment on 5 things to buy now or in a
> down economy
>
> Expensive Wine (Deal $125 per bottle now only $69.00)
> Diamonds (Deal $30,000 1 Ct diamond flawless for only 19K)
> Furniture (Deal $1,000.00 recliner only $600.00 )
> Vacations (Vacation rentals) (Deal $1750/ per week only $1,500 per week)
> Summer cruises. (Deal nothing specified )
>
> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...42743#31442743
>
> I think this is important information for the unemployed.
>
> I believe the proper term is having one's head in a biologically
> impossible place - Not to worry the uninsured can easily go to the
> hospital and have it taken care of.
>
> Dimitri

But they are good deals for those of us still employed. I'm not buying that
premium wine at even $69 but I am looking at villas in Italy for even better
rates than shown above. Some are 50% off of what they were charging and air
fare is down considerably also.

One way to make the economy even worse is to stop spending even more.
Restaurants are offering some deals too. Better to take advantage of the
discounts than to pay tax dollars to support unemployed restaurant workers
collecting unemployment and/or welfare.

Oh, as for the recliner, I wish I could have taken up that deal as mine
bought last year was a bit more.
http://www.hancockandmoore.com/
In claret leather http://www.hancockandmoore.com/produ...productid=1306

Dimitri wrote:
> This morning the TODAY Show had a segment on 5 things to buy now or in a
> down economy
>
> Expensive Wine (Deal $125 per bottle now only $69.00)
> Diamonds (Deal $30,000 1 Ct diamond flawless for only 19K)
> Furniture (Deal $1,000.00 recliner only $600.00 )
> Vacations (Vacation rentals) (Deal $1750/ per week only $1,500 per week)
> Summer cruises. (Deal nothing specified )
>
> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...42743#31442743
>
> I think this is important information for the unemployed.
>
> I believe the proper term is having one's head in a biologically
> impossible place - Not to worry the uninsured can easily go to the
> hospital and have it taken care of.
>
> Dimitri
>
>


We took exception to that, too. Evidently they weren't gearing the
advice to the average Joe, particularly the average unemployed Joe!

Some people are unclear on the concept of "poor".

gloria p

On Jun 19, 11:26*am, "Dimitri" > wrote:
> This morning the TODAY Show had a segment on 5 things to buy now or in a
> down economy
>
> Expensive Wine *(Deal $125 per bottle now only $69.00)
> Diamonds * * * * * *(Deal $30,000 1 Ct diamond flawless for only 19K)
> Furniture * * * * * * * (Deal $1,000.00 recliner only $600.00 )
> Vacations (Vacation rentals) (Deal $1750/ per week only $1,500 per week)
> Summer cruises. (Deal nothing specified )
>
> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...42743#31442743
>
> I think this is important information for the unemployed.
>
> I believe the proper term is having one's head in a biologically impossible
> place - Not to worry the uninsured can easily go to the hospital and have it
> taken care of.
>
> Dimitri


It's not just The Today Show. Almost the entire media is treating the
reality of millions and millions of people losing their jobs with the
same attitude they would use for people expressing irritation that
they can't find Screaming Yellow Zonkers anymore. It's like they're
blissfully unaware of what's going on outside of their comfy little
studio.

On Jun 19, 8:54*pm, Christopher Helms > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 11:26*am, "Dimitri" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > This morning the TODAY Show had a segment on 5 things to buy now or in a
> > down economy
>
> > Expensive Wine *(Deal $125 per bottle now only $69.00)
> > Diamonds * * * * * *(Deal $30,000 1 Ct diamond flawless for only 19K)
> > Furniture * * * * * * * (Deal $1,000.00 recliner only $600.00 )
> > Vacations (Vacation rentals) (Deal $1750/ per week only $1,500 per week)
> > Summer cruises. (Deal nothing specified )
>
> >http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...42743#31442743
>
> > I think this is important information for the unemployed.
>
> > I believe the proper term is having one's head in a biologically impossible
> > place - Not to worry the uninsured can easily go to the hospital and have it
> > taken care of.
>
> > Dimitri
>
> It's not just The Today Show. Almost the entire media is treating the
> reality of millions and millions of people losing their jobs with the
> same attitude they would use for people expressing irritation that
> they can't find Screaming Yellow Zonkers anymore. It's like they're
> blissfully unaware of what's going on outside of their comfy little
> studio.

One more example of how ConAgra is evil:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screaming_Yellow_Zonkers

--Bryan

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:06:00 -0400, Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

> "Dimitri" > wrote in message
> ...
>> This morning the TODAY Show had a segment on 5 things to buy now or in a
>> down economy
>>
>> Expensive Wine (Deal $125 per bottle now only $69.00)
>> Diamonds (Deal $30,000 1 Ct diamond flawless for only 19K)
>> Furniture (Deal $1,000.00 recliner only $600.00 )
>> Vacations (Vacation rentals) (Deal $1750/ per week only $1,500 per week)
>> Summer cruises. (Deal nothing specified )
>>
>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...42743#31442743
>>
>> I think this is important information for the unemployed.
>>
>> I believe the proper term is having one's head in a biologically
>> impossible place - Not to worry the uninsured can easily go to the
>> hospital and have it taken care of.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> But they are good deals for those of us still employed. I'm not buying that
> premium wine at even $69 but I am looking at villas in Italy for even better
> rates than shown above. Some are 50% off of what they were charging and air
> fare is down considerably also.
>

this effect of recessions is not often noted. not everyone suffers.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:54:29 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms wrote:

> On Jun 19, 11:26*am, "Dimitri" > wrote:
>> This morning the TODAY Show had a segment on 5 things to buy now or in a
>> down economy
>>
>> Expensive Wine *(Deal $125 per bottle now only $69.00)
>> Diamonds * * * * * *(Deal $30,000 1 Ct diamond flawless for only 19K)
>> Furniture * * * * * * * (Deal $1,000.00 recliner only $600.00 )
>> Vacations (Vacation rentals) (Deal $1750/ per week only $1,500 per week)
>> Summer cruises. (Deal nothing specified )
>>
>> http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...42743#31442743
>>
>> I think this is important information for the unemployed.
>>
>> I believe the proper term is having one's head in a biologically impossible
>> place - Not to worry the uninsured can easily go to the hospital and have it
>> taken care of.
>>
>> Dimitri
>
> It's not just The Today Show. Almost the entire media is treating the
> reality of millions and millions of people losing their jobs with the
> same attitude they would use for people expressing irritation that
> they can't find Screaming Yellow Zonkers anymore. It's like they're
> blissfully unaware of what's going on outside of their comfy little
> studio.

some speculate that the uniformly lousy coverage of health care issues is
partially due to those in the media all having pretty good insurance.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:35:27 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
>
> One more example of how ConAgra is evil:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screaming_Yellow_Zonkers
>

at least they're not dropping them by the ton on brown-skinned foreigners.

blake

brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:

>>
>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
>> It
>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.


When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?


> Unless you really are fearful of losing your own job, that is indeed
> the prosocial thing to do, but if you want to keep America working,
> you might be better off having that broken appliance repaired, rather
> than replaced.
>

I agree but most repair people would rather sell you on a new one with
the advisory: "It'll coast you more to repair than replace."

> I agree 110%. With the turmoil the economy is in prices for new commodities
> do not reflect true worth... in case anyone hasn't noticed prices are
> skyrocketing (there are no bargains), there is indeed a recession... folks
> going further into debt will create a depression. It's far smarter to
> repair your car and repair your house (at least that keeps the little people
> employed rather than the fat cats and politicos). The automobile industry
> and fuel source is much too volatile, with new regulations appearing hourly
> and new transportation technology being initiated by the minute, now is not
> the time to buy into new ideas. And right now is the very worst time in
> recorded history for first time homebuyers to make a purchase... the
> talk-is-cheap powers that be claim it's a buyer's market but that's the
> furthest from the truth,


The worst part is that we're still hearing "No or small down payment" or
"Use the Federal incentive money for a down payment" so they are still
appealing to the same people who can't afford the houses they are
buying. The repo cycle is re-starting already.

Didn't anyone learn?

gloria p

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:24:46 -0600, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>
>>>
>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
>>> It
>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>
>
>When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>
>
>> Unless you really are fearful of losing your own job, that is indeed
>> the prosocial thing to do, but if you want to keep America working,
>> you might be better off having that broken appliance repaired, rather
>> than replaced.
>>
>
>I agree but most repair people would rather sell you on a new one with
>the advisory: "It'll coast you more to repair than replace."

In some cases. Shoe repair places are all doing very well. Many car
repair shops are doing very well also because people can't get a loan
for a new one. Electronics repair is bleak though. I have 2
(unrelated) friends in/were-in the business. One is hanging on by
installing home theater systems and appliances. The other closed the
doors 2 weeks ago. Full service stores are having a tough time. The
disposable crap made in China and peddled by wal-mart are killing
them. Another friend runs a cleaners he took over from his father.
His walk in trade is almost nothing and what's there is very old
clients who've been going there since the 50's. Most is his money is
made from pick-up and delivery service. He can't compete with the
mega-cleaner places.

>The worst part is that we're still hearing "No or small down payment" or
>"Use the Federal incentive money for a down payment" so they are still
>appealing to the same people who can't afford the houses they are
>buying. The repo cycle is re-starting already.
>
>Didn't anyone learn?

Oh yes! Many learned, but stating reality doesn't get votes. This
new $4,500 credit towards a new car is totally insane. The replaced
car doesn't have to be old it just needs to get better mileage. And
people who drive old junkers do so because they CAN'T AFFORD A NEW
ONE! And the car's don't even have to be domestic. Watch for car
repo's to rise soon.

Lou

gloria.p wrote:

> The worst part is that we're still hearing "No or small down payment" or
> "Use the Federal incentive money for a down payment" so they are still
> appealing to the same people who can't afford the houses they are
> buying. The repo cycle is re-starting already.
>
> Didn't anyone learn?
>
> gloria p

Whats to learn? The government is going to fix everything.

And to add insult to injury they are also in full tilt "why worry we'll
pay for it somehow" thinking.

"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
> brooklyn1 wrote:
>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>
>>>
>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
>>> It
>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>
>
> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>

Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made here
but include many foreign parts in them. In either case, if you need one and
have the money, a longshoreman unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a
distributor handled it, a retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may
have come and set it up.

With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is far
better to keep and to create jobs than to give government benefits.

On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:39:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
>>>> It
>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>>
>>
>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>
>
>Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made here
>but include many foreign parts in them. In either case, if you need one and
>have the money, a longshoreman unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a
>distributor handled it, a retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may
>have come and set it up.
>
>With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is far
>better to keep and to create jobs than to give government benefits.

I totally agree. From what I understand those figures don't include
those who gave up looking for a job or live off the government. And
the 11% of the budget figure going to social services figure that gets
tossed around here is disgusting.

Lou

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
> ...
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of
>>>> bargains. It
>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>>
>>
>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>
>
> Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made here
> but include many foreign parts in them.

That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in the US
who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall of the US auto
empire) There are no programs to teach the "real" vocational skills of
master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker, etc., all there are is assmbly
line ants and fat cats at the top, there is no center, the center is all
overseas. Young people are ascared to get their hands dirty, they all want
to wear a suit and tie and drive a desk, they all want the assets their
first day on the job that it took their parents a lifetime to accumulates
one penny at a time.

> In either case, if you need one and have the money, a longshoreman
> unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a distributor handled it, a retailer sold
> it to you, a delivery person may have come and set it up.
>
> With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is far
> better to keep and to create jobs than to give government benefits.
>
Those numbers are untrue, because they do not account for the occupations
that essentially no longer exist; in the aforementioned catagories above,
and there are many others. Giving away money free for nothing not only will
solve nothing but will make the situation worse (you cannot teach a kid
economics by giving an allowance for no chores). The government needs to
initiate real apprenticeship programs that teach those manufacturing jobs,
then the US would have more jobs than workers, there'd would be no
unemployment. Someone needs to tell the Dems the story about how if you
give a man a fish he won't go to bed hungry that night but if you teach him
how to fish he will never be hungry. Encouraging young folks to stock
Wally World shelves is not a job.

Obama is very ignorant man, just has the gift of the gab that panders to the
masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's done by other
silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship every day, that's
where he apprenticed.

And the real truth is that people are poor because they enjoy abject poverty
so long as there are many all huddled together, misery LOVES company because
in numbers there is strength, so they believe. Over population is always
the downfall of any civilization... "go forth and multiply" is another big
lie fabricated by those who desire to keep a society weak, over population
is a major area for government to address, the most important, more
important than all other issues combined, so far they've done nothing but
pat each other's backs and lick each others crotches. Obama will go down in
history as the Great Masturbator, because all he's doing is jerking yoose
off.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>
> That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in the US
> who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall of the US
> auto empire) There are no programs to teach the "real" vocational skills
> of master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker, etc., all there are is
> assmbly line ants and fat cats at the top, there is no center, the center
> is all overseas.
snipped here
> The government needs to initiate real apprenticeship programs that teach
> those manufacturing jobs, then the US would have more jobs than workers,
> there'd would be no unemployment.

Like most states, CT is having a tough time with the budget. They are
considering closing the two trade schools the state has.

Now, this will probably upset a lot of people, but I have a suggestion. I
understand there is only so much money and there has to be cuts. Why not
keep the trade schools open and cut back sports in the other schools?
Seems to me the state will be better off having some skilled workers than
ex-football players with bad knees. Trade school graduates are the
mechanics fixing our cars, wiring our homes, plumbing our toilets. We need
them more than a kid that used to play basketball in junior high.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in the US
>> who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall of the US
>> auto empire) There are no programs to teach the "real" vocational skills
>> of master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker, etc., all there are is
>> assmbly line ants and fat cats at the top, there is no center, the center
>> is all overseas.
> snipped here
>> The government needs to initiate real apprenticeship programs that teach
>> those manufacturing jobs, then the US would have more jobs than workers,
>> there'd would be no unemployment.
>
> Like most states, CT is having a tough time with the budget. They are
> considering closing the two trade schools the state has.

But what is the enrollment like in the trade schools? There are two
schools here locally and they are begging for students for machine shop
etc. Lots of kids aren't interested as a result of walmart. Little by
little walmart and companies that liked walmarts thinking or were
competitively forced into following demanded lower and lower prices from
suppliers. Manufacturing wages went down until finally a lot of
manufacturing went off shore. Folks who bought at walmart were
explicitly nodding their heads that this was a good thing. At one time
manufacturing jobs were "good jobs". How attractive are they now when
most are barely above minimum wage? At one time you couldn't count the
major plants around here on your fingers and toes and those of two of
your friends.


>
> Now, this will probably upset a lot of people, but I have a suggestion. I
> understand there is only so much money and there has to be cuts. Why not
> keep the trade schools open and cut back sports in the other schools?
> Seems to me the state will be better off having some skilled workers than
> ex-football players with bad knees. Trade school graduates are the
> mechanics fixing our cars, wiring our homes, plumbing our toilets. We need
> them more than a kid that used to play basketball in junior high.
>
>
Wouldn't upset me in the least because the spending on sports has gotten
way out of hand. k-12 just don't need mega fancy stadiums and equipment.
I don't know about your state but in ours the school boards have taxing
power. No referendums are required to build gazillion dollar stadiums.

fOn Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:42:05 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:39:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
>>>>> It
>>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>>>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>>>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>>>
>>>
>>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>>
>>
>>Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made here
>>but include many foreign parts in them. In either case, if you need one and
>>have the money, a longshoreman unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a
>>distributor handled it, a retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may
>>have come and set it up.
>>
>>With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is far
>>better to keep and to create jobs than to give government benefits.
>
> I totally agree. From what I understand those figures don't include
> those who gave up looking for a job or live off the government.

how are all of those who give up looking 'living off government'?
unemployment benefits are limited, and require you to look for work. those
no longer looking drop off the radar entirely - they're not counted in the
figures. helps to make things look better than they are .

>And
> the 11% of the budget figure going to social services figure that gets
> tossed around here is disgusting.
>
> Lou

since i seem to be the one dropping the eleven percent figure, i feel
compelled to say once again that since it includes the deserving (i.e.,
you, your brother-in-law, granny and grampa), what i'm suggesting is that
the money going to shiftless bums isn't a major burden on you. possibly
you should be complaining about the many and varied tax dodges available to
the upper two percent.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:01:51 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> Obama is very ignorant man,

<derisive snort>

>just has the gift of the gab that panders to the
> masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's done by other
> silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship every day, that's
> where he apprenticed.

yeah, he apprenticed at harvard law. all has-been navy cooks are surely
justified in looking down at him.

> And the real truth is that people are poor because they enjoy abject poverty
> so long as there are many all huddled together, misery LOVES company because
> in numbers there is strength, so they believe. Over population is always
> the downfall of any civilization... "go forth and multiply" is another big
> lie fabricated by those who desire to keep a society weak, over population
> is a major area for government to address, the most important, more
> important than all other issues combined, so far they've done nothing but
> pat each other's backs and lick each others crotches. Obama will go down in
> history as the Great Masturbator, because all he's doing is jerking yoose
> off.

i don't think obama will replace you in annals of jerk-off history. just a
guess on my part.

blake

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:31:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>
>> That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in the US
>> who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall of the US
>> auto empire) There are no programs to teach the "real" vocational skills
>> of master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker, etc., all there are is
>> assmbly line ants and fat cats at the top, there is no center, the center
>> is all overseas.
> snipped here
>> The government needs to initiate real apprenticeship programs that teach
>> those manufacturing jobs, then the US would have more jobs than workers,
>> there'd would be no unemployment.
>
> Like most states, CT is having a tough time with the budget. They are
> considering closing the two trade schools the state has.
>
> Now, this will probably upset a lot of people, but I have a suggestion. I
> understand there is only so much money and there has to be cuts. Why not
> keep the trade schools open and cut back sports in the other schools?
> Seems to me the state will be better off having some skilled workers than
> ex-football players with bad knees. Trade school graduates are the
> mechanics fixing our cars, wiring our homes, plumbing our toilets. We need
> them more than a kid that used to play basketball in junior high.

i have some sympathy for what you are saying, but why not (gasp) provide
sufficient funds for football also? after all, we need some kind of gloss
to obfuscate the idea that schools are mainly aimed at turning out worker
bees.

'sit down in your seats at the appointed time! no talking!'

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
. ..
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:31:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in the
>>> US
>>> who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall of the US
>>> auto empire) There are no programs to teach the "real" vocational
>>> skills
>>> of master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker, etc., all there are is
>>> assmbly line ants and fat cats at the top, there is no center, the
>>> center
>>> is all overseas.
>> snipped here
>>> The government needs to initiate real apprenticeship programs that
>>> teach
>>> those manufacturing jobs, then the US would have more jobs than workers,
>>> there'd would be no unemployment.
>>
>> Like most states, CT is having a tough time with the budget. They are
>> considering closing the two trade schools the state has.
>>
>> Now, this will probably upset a lot of people, but I have a suggestion.
>> I
>> understand there is only so much money and there has to be cuts. Why not
>> keep the trade schools open and cut back sports in the other schools?
>> Seems to me the state will be better off having some skilled workers than
>> ex-football players with bad knees. Trade school graduates are the
>> mechanics fixing our cars, wiring our homes, plumbing our toilets. We
>> need
>> them more than a kid that used to play basketball in junior high.
>
> i have some sympathy for what you are saying, but why not (gasp) provide
> sufficient funds for football also? after all, we need some kind of gloss
> to obfuscate the idea that schools are mainly aimed at turning out worker
> bees.
>
> 'sit down in your seats at the appointed time!

That's you, and millions more of yoose non productive drains.

> no talking!'

If we could only put a cork in your maw. LOL

brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of
>>>>> bargains. It
>>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some
>>>>> of that money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build
>>>>> a house, buy a car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America
>>>>> working.
>>>
>>>
>>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>>
>>
>> Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made
>> here but include many foreign parts in them.
>
> That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in
> the US who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall
> of the US auto empire) There are no programs to teach the "real"
> vocational skills of master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker,
> etc., all there are is assmbly line ants and fat cats at the top,
> there is no center, the center is all overseas. Young people are
> ascared to get their hands dirty, they all want to wear a suit and
> tie and drive a desk, they all want the assets their first day on the
> job that it took their parents a lifetime to accumulates one penny at
> a time.
>
>> In either case, if you need one and have the money, a longshoreman
>> unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a distributor handled it, a
>> retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may have come and set it
>> up.
>>
>> With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is
>> far better to keep and to create jobs than to give government
>> benefits.
>>
> Those numbers are untrue, because they do not account for the
> occupations that essentially no longer exist; in the aforementioned
> catagories above, and there are many others. Giving away money free
> for nothing not only will solve nothing but will make the situation
> worse (you cannot teach a kid economics by giving an allowance for no
> chores). The government needs to initiate real apprenticeship
> programs that teach those manufacturing jobs, then the US would have
> more jobs than workers, there'd would be no unemployment. Someone
> needs to tell the Dems the story about how if you give a man a fish
> he won't go to bed hungry that night but if you teach him how to fish
> he will never be hungry. Encouraging young folks to stock Wally
> World shelves is not a job.
>
> Obama is very ignorant man, just has the gift of the gab that panders
> to the masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's
> done by other silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship
> every day, that's where he apprenticed.
>
> And the real truth is that people are poor because they enjoy abject
> poverty so long as there are many all huddled together, misery LOVES
> company because in numbers there is strength, so they believe. Over
> population is always the downfall of any civilization... "go forth
> and multiply" is another big lie fabricated by those who desire to
> keep a society weak, over population is a major area for government
> to address, the most important, more important than all other issues
> combined, so far they've done nothing but pat each other's backs and
> lick each others crotches. Obama will go down in history as the
> Great Masturbator, because all he's doing is jerking yoose off.


Yep...what do peeps expect from another slick Illannoy/Chicago Dem machine
politican in a nice suit.

Now the whole United States - and the whole world - is getting a dose of
"Governance Illinois -style". It AIN'T pretty, folks...

Most of the lefties I know who chastised me for not blindly supporting Obama
are now pretty "quiet"...the "reality" is sinking in, especially since most
of these folks are ***. He isn't doing diddly - squat for the ***
"community", but *I* knew that would come to pass...same with health care,
spending, our foreign wars, etc....


--
Best
Greg

blake murphy wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:01:51 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Obama is very ignorant man,
>
> <derisive snort>
>
>> just has the gift of the gab that panders to the
>> masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's done by
>> other silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship every
>> day, that's where he apprenticed.
>
> yeah, he apprenticed at harvard law. all has-been navy cooks are
> surely justified in looking down at him.


Sheldon is correct. I live in Illinois and I *know*...and I knew that Obama
would be largely a dud president, he has no inner core of a belief system,
no over-arching personal beliefs. All his boilerplate blather is just
that - boilerplate blather...his stuff could be written by a 'bot.

After awhiles the charm factor will wear off, folx will be asking "Where's
the beef"...


--
Best
Greg

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
...
> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of
>>>>>> bargains. It
>>>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some
>>>>>> of that money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build
>>>>>> a house, buy a car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America
>>>>>> working.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made
>>> here but include many foreign parts in them.
>>
>> That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in
>> the US who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall
>> of the US auto empire) There are no programs to teach the "real"
>> vocational skills of master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker,
>> etc., all there are is assmbly line ants and fat cats at the top,
>> there is no center, the center is all overseas. Young people are
>> ascared to get their hands dirty, they all want to wear a suit and
>> tie and drive a desk, they all want the assets their first day on the
>> job that it took their parents a lifetime to accumulates one penny at
>> a time.
>>
>>> In either case, if you need one and have the money, a longshoreman
>>> unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a distributor handled it, a
>>> retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may have come and set it
>>> up.
>>>
>>> With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is
>>> far better to keep and to create jobs than to give government
>>> benefits.
>>>
>> Those numbers are untrue, because they do not account for the
>> occupations that essentially no longer exist; in the aforementioned
>> catagories above, and there are many others. Giving away money free
>> for nothing not only will solve nothing but will make the situation
>> worse (you cannot teach a kid economics by giving an allowance for no
>> chores). The government needs to initiate real apprenticeship
>> programs that teach those manufacturing jobs, then the US would have
>> more jobs than workers, there'd would be no unemployment. Someone
>> needs to tell the Dems the story about how if you give a man a fish
>> he won't go to bed hungry that night but if you teach him how to fish
>> he will never be hungry. Encouraging young folks to stock Wally
>> World shelves is not a job.
>>
>> Obama is very ignorant man, just has the gift of the gab that panders
>> to the masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's
>> done by other silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship
>> every day, that's where he apprenticed.
>>
>> And the real truth is that people are poor because they enjoy abject
>> poverty so long as there are many all huddled together, misery LOVES
>> company because in numbers there is strength, so they believe. Over
>> population is always the downfall of any civilization... "go forth
>> and multiply" is another big lie fabricated by those who desire to
>> keep a society weak, over population is a major area for government
>> to address, the most important, more important than all other issues
>> combined, so far they've done nothing but pat each other's backs and
>> lick each others crotches. Obama will go down in history as the
>> Great Masturbator, because all he's doing is jerking yoose off.
>
>
> Yep...what do peeps expect from another slick Illannoy/Chicago Dem machine
> politican in a nice suit.
>
> Now the whole United States - and the whole world - is getting a dose of
> "Governance Illinois -style". It AIN'T pretty, folks...
>
> Most of the lefties I know who chastised me for not blindly supporting
> Obama
> are now pretty "quiet"...the "reality" is sinking in, especially since
> most
> of these folks are ***. He isn't doing diddly - squat for the ***
> "community", but *I* knew that would come to pass...same with health care,
> spending, our foreign wars, etc....
>
>
>
Ill-annoy nuthin... it's becoming more and more crystal clear that
Obama[many]nations is is a dyed in the camel hair towel waving muslim... you
watch and see how he's got his sights set on becoming the next leader of
Iran too. He may technically be American (maybe) but no way has he ever
been American in his heart and soul, neither his 'America is a mean place'
ghetto bitch.

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
m...
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:01:51 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Obama is very ignorant man,
>>
>> <derisive snort>
>>
>>> just has the gift of the gab that panders to the
>>> masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's done by
>>> other silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship every
>>> day, that's where he apprenticed.
>>
>> yeah, he apprenticed at harvard law. all has-been navy cooks are
>> surely justified in looking down at him.
>
>
> Sheldon is correct. I live in Illinois and I *know*...and I knew that
> Obama
> would be largely a dud president, he has no inner core of a belief system,
> no over-arching personal beliefs. All his boilerplate blather is just
> that - boilerplate blather...his stuff could be written by a 'bot.
>
> After awhiles the charm factor will wear off, folx will be asking "Where's
> the beef"...
>
>
>
Just surviving boot camp makes my credentials far superior to his fercocktah
law degree... all he did is rest his butt in a seat because someone paid his
tuition, room and board, and slipped plenty of good time money in his
pocket... he's obviously a megalomaniacal personality but he's got no
backbone, just wait, won't be long. He wishes ears were a spine. LOL

On Jun 21, 1:21*pm, blake murphy > wrote:
> fOn Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:42:05 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:39:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
> > wrote:
>
> >>"gloria.p" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
> >>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>
> >>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
> >>>>> It
> >>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
> >>>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
> >>>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>
> >>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>
> >>Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made here
> >>but include many foreign parts in them. *In either case, if you need one and
> >>have the money, a longshoreman unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a
> >>distributor handled it, a retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may
> >>have come and set it up.
>
> >>With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. *IMO, it is far
> >>better to keep and to create jobs than to give government benefits.
>
> > I totally agree. *From what I understand those figures don't include
> > those who gave up looking for a job or live off the government. *
>
> how are all of those who give up looking *'living off government'?
> unemployment benefits are limited, and require you to look for work. *those
> no longer looking drop off the radar entirely - they're not counted in the
> figures. *helps to make things look better than they are .
>
> >And
> > the 11% of the budget figure going to social services figure that gets
> > tossed around here is disgusting. *
>
> > Lou
>
> since i seem to be the one dropping the eleven percent figure, i feel
> compelled to say once again that since it includes the deserving (i.e.,
> you, your brother-in-law, granny and grampa), what i'm suggesting is that
> the money going to shiftless bums isn't a major burden on you. *possibly
> you should be complaining about the many and varied tax dodges available to
> the upper two percent.

No doubt. Because income from working is taxed at a higher rate than
capital gains, and the payroll tax only applies to the first
howevermuch of income, the wealthiest pay a lower tax rate than the
median income earner. We've been conditioned by our tradition
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_ethic ) to look for bums and
other layabouts as the cause of our getting less than we feel we've
contributed to the economy, instead of looking at the parasites
feeding from above.

Considering that foot pain is my major physical malady of late, it is
hard to make the analogy, but the lowly nibbling at my ankles feel
like far less a threat than the sublime who seek to corrupt my heart
and deceive my mind to their much more well thought out ends.
>
> your pal,
> blake

--Bryan

Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Sheldon is correct. I live in Illinois and I *know*...and I knew that Obama
> would be largely a dud president, he has no inner core of a belief system,
> no over-arching personal beliefs. All his boilerplate blather is just
> that - boilerplate blather...his stuff could be written by a 'bot.
>
> After awhiles the charm factor will wear off, folx will be asking "Where's
> the beef"...

All ya'll will change your tune when Obama brings about a new golden age
of mankind that will last 2000 years. You'll come on your knees begging
for our forgiveness and asking us to beat you and burn you and we
enlightened ones will smile knowingly and touch the top of your heads in
the lightest of ways.

Don't knock Fox pal, they were the only news organization that had the
courage to break the story of the two good ol boys who bagged a bigfoot
and stuck it in their freezer. And another thing - what the hell do you
have against bots??

brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
> ...
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "gloria.p" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of
>>>>>>> bargains. It
>>>>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some
>>>>>>> of that money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build
>>>>>>> a house, buy a car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America
>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still
>>>> made here but include many foreign parts in them.
>>>
>>> That's due to the fact that there are very few skilled tradesmen in
>>> the US who are capable of producing those parts (proven by the fall
>>> of the US auto empire) There are no programs to teach the "real"
>>> vocational skills of master machinist, tool & diemaker, moldmaker,
>>> etc., all there are is assmbly line ants and fat cats at the top,
>>> there is no center, the center is all overseas. Young people are
>>> ascared to get their hands dirty, they all want to wear a suit and
>>> tie and drive a desk, they all want the assets their first day on
>>> the job that it took their parents a lifetime to accumulates one
>>> penny at a time.
>>>
>>>> In either case, if you need one and have the money, a longshoreman
>>>> unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a distributor handled it, a
>>>> retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may have come and set it
>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>> With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it
>>>> is far better to keep and to create jobs than to give government
>>>> benefits.
>>>>
>>> Those numbers are untrue, because they do not account for the
>>> occupations that essentially no longer exist; in the aforementioned
>>> catagories above, and there are many others. Giving away money free
>>> for nothing not only will solve nothing but will make the situation
>>> worse (you cannot teach a kid economics by giving an allowance for
>>> no chores). The government needs to initiate real apprenticeship
>>> programs that teach those manufacturing jobs, then the US would have
>>> more jobs than workers, there'd would be no unemployment. Someone
>>> needs to tell the Dems the story about how if you give a man a fish
>>> he won't go to bed hungry that night but if you teach him how to
>>> fish he will never be hungry. Encouraging young folks to stock
>>> Wally World shelves is not a job.
>>>
>>> Obama is very ignorant man, just has the gift of the gab that
>>> panders to the masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the
>>> ignorant, it's done by other silver tongued scam artists in every
>>> house of worship every day, that's where he apprenticed.
>>>
>>> And the real truth is that people are poor because they enjoy abject
>>> poverty so long as there are many all huddled together, misery LOVES
>>> company because in numbers there is strength, so they believe. Over
>>> population is always the downfall of any civilization... "go forth
>>> and multiply" is another big lie fabricated by those who desire to
>>> keep a society weak, over population is a major area for government
>>> to address, the most important, more important than all other issues
>>> combined, so far they've done nothing but pat each other's backs and
>>> lick each others crotches. Obama will go down in history as the
>>> Great Masturbator, because all he's doing is jerking yoose off.
>>
>>
>> Yep...what do peeps expect from another slick Illannoy/Chicago Dem
>> machine politican in a nice suit.
>>
>> Now the whole United States - and the whole world - is getting a
>> dose of "Governance Illinois -style". It AIN'T pretty, folks...
>>
>> Most of the lefties I know who chastised me for not blindly
>> supporting Obama
>> are now pretty "quiet"...the "reality" is sinking in, especially
>> since most
>> of these folks are ***. He isn't doing diddly - squat for the ***
>> "community", but *I* knew that would come to pass...same with health
>> care, spending, our foreign wars, etc....
>>
>>
>>
> Ill-annoy nuthin... it's becoming more and more crystal clear that
> Obama[many]nations is is a dyed in the camel hair towel waving
> muslim... you watch and see how he's got his sights set on becoming
> the next leader of Iran too. He may technically be American (maybe)
> but no way has he ever been American in his heart and soul, neither
> his 'America is a mean place' ghetto bitch.


His "apologizing" and trying to "build bridges" to the Arab states is
especially disheartening, we have nothing to "apologize" for IMNSHO. I
mean, who went in and saved the Muslims of Bosnia while the Europeans
dithered...who led the liberation of Kuwait in Gulf War I...which country
has spread *more* of it's treasure around to all those sleezy asswipe A -
rab ******** states...and WHO SUPPORTS THOSE STATES BY BUYING THEIR
PETROLEUM...!!!???

I mean, jeez already...

'Tis the Arabs and Muslims should be "apologizing", NOT us...


--
Best
Greg

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
>
> i have some sympathy for what you are saying, but why not (gasp) provide
> sufficient funds for football also? after all, we need some kind of gloss
> to obfuscate the idea that schools are mainly aimed at turning out worker
> bees.
>
> 'sit down in your seats at the appointed time! no talking!'
>
> your pal,
> blake

That would be nice, but there is a limit to the funds available. I'm still
working, but my company is slow so no bonus last year and surely not this
year so my income is down. Property taxes will be up and utility cost is
up. I have to make decisions and change priorities to get by on less. No
reason the towns and the state cannot do the same.

The "its for the children" crowd want to increase taxes. Every year they
want more. What happens when the tax rate is 100%? Where will more come
from? Spending just has to change with income. We all have done it in our
lives. Want football? Cut some other program.

On Jun 21, 9:18*pm, "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>
> > i have some sympathy for what you are saying, but why not (gasp) provide
> > sufficient funds for football also? *after all, we need some kind of gloss
> > to obfuscate the idea that schools are mainly aimed at turning out worker
> > bees.
>
> > 'sit down in your seats at the appointed time! *no talking!'
>
> > your pal,
> > blake
>
> That would be nice, but there is a limit to the funds available. *I'm still
> working, but my company is slow so no bonus last year and surely not this
> year so my income is down. *Property taxes will be up and utility cost is
> up. *I have to make decisions and change priorities to get by on less. *No
> reason the towns and the state cannot do the same.
>
> The "its for the children" crowd want to increase taxes. *Every year they
> want more. *What happens when the tax rate is 100%? *Where will more come
> from? *Spending just has to change with income. *We all have done it in our
> lives. *Want football? Cut some other program.

The municipality where I live has reacted to falling revenues by
resorting to traffic enforcement. I bet they've issued more speeding
tickets in the past 3 months than in the previous several years.
Getting a 12 over amended is likely to be ~$175 + lawyer's fees.

--Bryan

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:21:33 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>fOn Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:42:05 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:39:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>>>>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>>>>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made here
>>>but include many foreign parts in them. In either case, if you need one and
>>>have the money, a longshoreman unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a
>>>distributor handled it, a retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may
>>>have come and set it up.
>>>
>>>With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is far
>>>better to keep and to create jobs than to give government benefits.
>>
>> I totally agree. From what I understand those figures don't include
>> those who gave up looking for a job or live off the government.
>
>how are all of those who give up looking 'living off government'?

Look at what I penned. Note the word "or." They're two different
things. Either way they're not part of the stats. Some give up and
live off savings, retire, or have married well. Some people (like
you) actually need assistance and get it. Some inherit money and
don't have to work anymore. Fence hoppers work and most don't pay
taxes, but none of these are in the 92/8 figure mentioned.

>unemployment benefits are limited,

Unemployment is meant to feed you and get you by for 6 months until
you get a new job. It's not a way of life. But many know exactly
when they're eligible again. Members of my union need 1200 hours a
year to get insurance. Even when times were screaming and it was easy
to make 100 grand a year (15 years ago) many took "short calls" and
figured out how to milk the system and still be insured.

>and require you to look for work.

Not if you're a union member with a book system. I collected for a
few months once and I didn't have to do anything except go to the hall
and sign the book once a month. During that time I tried to change
fields but you don't have to accept a job for less pay until a certain
time frame. I never went that far. And these days "looking for work"
can be nothing more than posting to monster "or whatever" and sending
a few resumes off a day. 15 minutes of work will get you close to 400
bucks a week for 6 months. Nice scam. Why work if you're not
motivated?

> those no longer looking drop off the radar entirely - they're not counted in the
>figures.

I think I said that.

>helps to make things look better than they are.

Stats can be deceiving. You recently posted a link comparing red and
blue. It was bullshit BTW.

>>And the 11% of the budget figure going to social services figure that gets
>> tossed around here is disgusting.
>>
>> Lou
>
>since i seem to be the one dropping the eleven percent figure,

Yep.

>i feel compelled to say once again that since it includes the deserving

The "deserving" is a very small part of the figure. The "lazy
parasites" is most of it.

> (i.e., you, your brother-in-law, granny and grampa),

None of us has milked the system and that's an insult. It's milked us.
I've not stated enough for you to make that assumption. If I divulged
more you'd know what you say is wrong.

>what i'm suggesting is that the money going to shiftless bums isn't a
>major burden on you.

It should be no burden on me or anyone else Blake. The only thing
"shiftless bums" deserve is hunger.

>possibly you should be complaining about the many and varied tax
>dodges available to the upper two percent.

You mean the people that are smarter than both you and I?

I might agree with some of your unspoken points but I will say without
those people we'd go back to the stone age.

Lou

On Jun 21, 9:47*pm, Lou Decruss > wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:21:33 GMT, blake murphy
>
>
> >possibly you should be complaining about the many and varied tax
> >dodges available to the upper two percent.
>
> You mean the people that are smarter than both you and I? *
>
> I might agree with some of your unspoken points but I will say without
> those people we'd go back to the stone age. *

Buying into that Atlas Shrugged crap is what got us into the current
economic mess. Even Greenspan has backed away from it. Working class
folks who revere the wealthy are the highest order of chump.*
>
> Lou * * *

--Bryan
You're a sucker for the Dow Jones
You believe that their class' interests coincide with your own
You're a chump, and that ain't cool
They're taking you for a fool
-- The Bonobos

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:29:52 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:31:14 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> Like most states, CT is having a tough time with the budget. They are
>> considering closing the two trade schools the state has.
>>
>> Now, this will probably upset a lot of people, but I have a suggestion. I
>> understand there is only so much money and there has to be cuts. Why not
>> keep the trade schools open and cut back sports in the other schools?
>> Seems to me the state will be better off having some skilled workers than
>> ex-football players with bad knees. Trade school graduates are the
>> mechanics fixing our cars, wiring our homes, plumbing our toilets. We need
>> them more than a kid that used to play basketball in junior high.
>
>i have some sympathy for what you are saying, but why not (gasp) provide
>sufficient funds for football also?

You're outta control. Where's the money coming from? The taxes YOU
pay? HA! The school part of the tax bill from just my cottage is
$1500. I don't even know where the schools are but I'd rather see the
money training the kids for something productive. Sooner or later
someone will have to actually pay for all the shit you and the freak
from Canada think every parasite deserves. Tough times are ahead
Blake and you're young enough it's going to effect you.

>after all, we need some kind of gloss to obfuscate the idea that schools
> are mainly aimed at turning out worker bees.

I thought schools were only turning out little obama's. You know,
little parasites who write books stupid people can read.

>'sit down in your seats at the appointed time! no talking!'

Yep. Discipline is something you shouldn't teach kids. It ****s them
up. All those rules!!! Gasp!

Lou

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:26:05 GMT, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:01:51 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>
>> Obama is very ignorant man,
>
> <derisive snort>
>
>>just has the gift of the gab that panders to the
>> masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's done by other
>> silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship every day, that's
>> where he apprenticed.
>
>yeah, he apprenticed at harvard law.

Do you think he knows how to make a grilled cheese sandwich? I don't
think so.

>i don't think obama will replace you in annals of jerk-off history. just a
>guess on my part.

shemp sure is a jag-off and I do enjoy slapping him around, but he
doesn't seem like a parasite.

Lou

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:07:19 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:01:51 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Obama is very ignorant man,
>>
>> <derisive snort>
>>
>>> just has the gift of the gab that panders to the
>>> masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's done by
>>> other silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship every
>>> day, that's where he apprenticed.
>>
>> yeah, he apprenticed at harvard law. all has-been navy cooks are
>> surely justified in looking down at him.
>
>
>Sheldon is correct. I live in Illinois and I *know*...and I knew that Obama
>would be largely a dud president, he has no inner core of a belief system,
>no over-arching personal beliefs. All his boilerplate blather is just
>that - boilerplate blather...his stuff could be written by a 'bot.

I actually liked him at first until some facts came out. I detest
Hillary but I'd rather she was pres.

>After awhiles the charm factor will wear off, folx will be asking "Where's
>the beef"...

On Michelle's hips.

Lou

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:48:39 GMT, "brooklyn1"
> wrote:

>He wishes ears were a spine. LOL

His dumbo ears don't work. He slept through church for 20 years.

Lou

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:01:04 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>Yep...what do peeps expect from another slick Illannoy/Chicago Dem machine
>politican in a nice suit.
>
>Now the whole United States - and the whole world - is getting a dose of
>"Governance Illinois -style". It AIN'T pretty, folks...
>
>Most of the lefties I know who chastised me for not blindly supporting Obama
>are now pretty "quiet"...the "reality" is sinking in, especially since most
>of these folks are ***. He isn't doing diddly - squat for the ***
>"community", but *I* knew that would come to pass...same with health care,
>spending, our foreign wars, etc....

The pixie dust I spoke of last November is wearing off. I wish I had
been wrong.

Lou

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:23:38 -0500, Lou Decruss
> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 16:01:04 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
>
>>Yep...what do peeps expect from another slick Illannoy/Chicago Dem machine
>>politican in a nice suit.
>>
>>Now the whole United States - and the whole world - is getting a dose of
>>"Governance Illinois -style". It AIN'T pretty, folks...
>>
>>Most of the lefties I know who chastised me for not blindly supporting Obama
>>are now pretty "quiet"...the "reality" is sinking in, especially since most
>>of these folks are ***. He isn't doing diddly - squat for the ***
>>"community", but *I* knew that would come to pass...same with health care,
>>spending, our foreign wars, etc....
>
>The pixie dust I spoke of last November is wearing off. I wish I had
>been wrong.
>
Yeah, you're absolutely right. He's spending way too much time
building bridges. You can't please everyone. Rebuild the Democratic
Party now or there won't be a "next time", Mr. President!

Republican "Wingers" may be few in number but they are certainly loud.
I am a lifelong Republican who was tempted to admit how liberal I am
and switch parties this time. I would love to see Obama kick some
butt, unfortunately that's not his style. My Girl, Hillary, sure
would have! Glad she's on the D team in a big way. Other than the
Supreme Court, it was a perfect appointment.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:
> Yeah, you're absolutely right. He's spending way too much time
> building bridges. You can't please everyone. Rebuild the Democratic
> Party now or there won't be a "next time", Mr. President!
>
> Republican "Wingers" may be few in number but they are certainly loud.
> I am a lifelong Republican who was tempted to admit how liberal I am
> and switch parties this time. I would love to see Obama kick some
> butt, unfortunately that's not his style. My Girl, Hillary, sure
> would have! Glad she's on the D team in a big way. Other than the
> Supreme Court, it was a perfect appointment.

Right now I am registered as an Independent, there is no party for me.
I am a fiscal conservative but I am liberal on social issues. Where I
live, here in the Bible Belt, the "God Squad" has taken over the
Republican party, they spend too much time focusing on issues like gays
and abortion. Who cares if two men get married? We have bigger
problems to worry about.


Becca

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:47:26 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:21:33 GMT, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>fOn Sun, 21 Jun 2009 08:42:05 -0500, Lou Decruss wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:39:02 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"gloria.p" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>> "Bobo Bonobo®" wrote:
>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But tens of millions still have jobs and can take advantage of bargains.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> is important that people who do have an income still spend some of that
>>>>>>> money to keep the economy afloat. If you need one, build a house, buy a
>>>>>>> car, replace that broken appliance. Keep America working.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When was the last time you saw an appliance that was made in USA?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Small appliances, no, but major appliances, yes, many are still made here
>>>>but include many foreign parts in them. In either case, if you need one and
>>>>have the money, a longshoreman unloaded it, a trucker moved it, a
>>>>distributor handled it, a retailer sold it to you, a delivery person may
>>>>have come and set it up.
>>>>
>>>>With 8% unemployment, there are still 92% of us working. IMO, it is far
>>>>better to keep and to create jobs than to give government benefits.
>>>
>>> I totally agree. From what I understand those figures don't include
>>> those who gave up looking for a job or live off the government.
>>
>>how are all of those who give up looking 'living off government'?
>
> Look at what I penned. Note the word "or." They're two different
> things. Either way they're not part of the stats. Some give up and
> live off savings, retire, or have married well. Some people (like
> you) actually need assistance and get it. Some inherit money and
> don't have to work anymore. Fence hoppers work and most don't pay
> taxes, but none of these are in the 92/8 figure mentioned.
>

point taken.

>
> Stats can be deceiving. You recently posted a link comparing red and
> blue. It was bullshit BTW.
>

how was it bullshit? they were the figures. are you saying the source of
the figures cooked the books?

>>>And the 11% of the budget figure going to social services figure that gets
>>> tossed around here is disgusting.
>>>
>>> Lou
>>
>>since i seem to be the one dropping the eleven percent figure,
>
> Yep.
>
>>i feel compelled to say once again that since it includes the deserving
>
> The "deserving" is a very small part of the figure. The "lazy
> parasites" is most of it.
>

well, you believe that, and i don't. you'll have to provide something
concrete to convince me, since i believe most of the people you know
personally collecting these funds are 'deserving.' that most of the people
you don't know are not is a matter of belief, you'll have to dig up proof.
don't forget that agencies disbusing the funds require you to show
eligibility and do have people looking into fraud.

>> (i.e., you, your brother-in-law, granny and grampa),
>
> None of us has milked the system and that's an insult. It's milked us.
> I've not stated enough for you to make that assumption. If I divulged
> more you'd know what you say is wrong.

i never said you and yours have bilked the system. i ask why you thing the
majority of those who aren't you and yours *are*.
>
>>what i'm suggesting is that the money going to shiftless bums isn't a
>>major burden on you.
>
> It should be no burden on me or anyone else Blake. The only thing
> "shiftless bums" deserve is hunger.
>

well, we probably differ there. what i'm saying is that the numbers of
these people is *much* smaller than you assume.

>>possibly you should be complaining about the many and varied tax
>>dodges available to the upper two percent.
>
> You mean the people that are smarter than both you and I?
>

not all of these people are smartr than you and i. some of them have
managed to pass laws that rig the system in their favor.

> I might agree with some of your unspoken points but I will say without
> those people we'd go back to the stone age.
>

CEOs, on average, take home 821 times as much as a person working for
minimum wage. With this extraordinary ratio, an average CEO makes more
before lunch on his first day of work than a minimum-wage earner will make
all year.

<http://www.house.gov/financialservices/ExecCompvsWorkers.html>

are CEOs really 821 times smarter?

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:48:39 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
> m...
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:01:51 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Obama is very ignorant man,
>>>
>>> <derisive snort>
>>>
>>>> just has the gift of the gab that panders to the
>>>> masses of asses. It's easy to sweet talk the ignorant, it's done by
>>>> other silver tongued scam artists in every house of worship every
>>>> day, that's where he apprenticed.
>>>
>>> yeah, he apprenticed at harvard law. all has-been navy cooks are
>>> surely justified in looking down at him.
>>
>>
>> Sheldon is correct. I live in Illinois and I *know*...and I knew that
>> Obama
>> would be largely a dud president, he has no inner core of a belief system,
>> no over-arching personal beliefs. All his boilerplate blather is just
>> that - boilerplate blather...his stuff could be written by a 'bot.
>>
>> After awhiles the charm factor will wear off, folx will be asking "Where's
>> the beef"...
>>
>>
>>
> Just surviving boot camp makes my credentials far superior to his fercocktah
> law degree... all he did is rest his butt in a seat because someone paid his
> tuition, room and board, and slipped plenty of good time money in his
> pocket... he's obviously a megalomaniacal personality but he's got no
> backbone, just wait, won't be long. He wishes ears were a spine. LOL

<derisive snort>

yep, any hillbilly who makes it through boot camp (they got that for navy?)
is superior to obama. got it.

blake