"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> Just turned on CNN and saw the train wreck. So far all they know is
> it's a big (multi-casualty) mess. They don't even know for sure if
> it's a head on crash or a rear ender yet.
>
> Fingers crossed and hoping as many as possible can walk away from this
> scratch free.
>

The death rate just went from 2 to 4. They say that the second train ran
into a train that was stopped at a platform waiting for instructions to move
forward. That second train must have been going very fast to have lifted up
the stopped train. Wow. This is horrible.

On Jun 22, 4:18*pm, "Cheryl" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Just turned on CNN and saw the train wreck. *So far all they know is
> > it's a big (multi-casualty) mess. *They don't even know for sure if
> > it's a head on crash or a rear ender yet.
>
> > Fingers crossed and hoping as many as possible can walk away from this
> > scratch free.
>
> The death rate just went from 2 to 4. *They say that the second train ran
> into a train that was stopped at a platform waiting for instructions to move
> forward. *That second train must have been going very fast to have lifted up
> the stopped train. *Wow. This is horrible.

Tradgedies happen everyday all over the world. This wreck doesn't have
any effect on my life but only those that are involved. With close to
300 million people just in the US alone, 2-4 deaths are but a pinhead
drop in the bucket of life. I hate the news...always have. They never
have anything positive to say about anything. No wonder the world is
in such a doom and gloom state. You hear more about things like this
(train wreck) than you do about abused kids, battered wives, people
going broke. Again, I hate the news a very, very seldom listen to it
other than for the weather report.

"Chemo the Clown" > wrote in message
...

Tradgedies happen everyday all over the world. This wreck doesn't have
any effect on my life but only those that are involved. With close to
300 million people just in the US alone, 2-4 deaths are but a pinhead
drop in the bucket of life. I hate the news...always have. They never
have anything positive to say about anything. No wonder the world is
in such a doom and gloom state. You hear more about things like this
(train wreck) than you do about abused kids, battered wives, people
going broke. Again, I hate the news a very, very seldom listen to it
other than for the weather report.

------------------------------------------

It's a little different when it's in your back yard. This is my area, and
the red line carries many people I work with.

On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:18:24 -0400, "Cheryl"
> wrote:

>The death rate just went from 2 to 4.

Oh my...a hundred per cent increase in death. One Hundred Fifteen
died in an auto accident today. Source:


http://www.gorenlaw.com/car-accident...FQJ2xgodsGZPCQ

Moral of the story...you would be safer on mass transit.

On Jun 22, 6:18*pm, "Cheryl" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Just turned on CNN and saw the train wreck. *So far all they know is
> > it's a big (multi-casualty) mess. *They don't even know for sure if
> > it's a head on crash or a rear ender yet.
>
> > Fingers crossed and hoping as many as possible can walk away from this
> > scratch free.
>
> The death rate just went from 2 to 4. *They say that the second train ran
> into a train that was stopped at a platform waiting for instructions to move
> forward. *That second train must have been going very fast to have lifted up
> the stopped train. *Wow. This is horrible.


I bet somebody was either texting or blabbering away on a cell phone
and ran through a red light.

"Mr. Bill" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:18:24 -0400, "Cheryl"
> > wrote:
>
>>The death rate just went from 2 to 4.
>
> Oh my...a hundred per cent increase in death. One Hundred Fifteen
> died in an auto accident today. Source:
>
2 more. Oh I know much about car accident mortality. Don;t ask please.

Cheryl wrote:
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Just turned on CNN and saw the train wreck. So far all they know is
> > it's a big (multi-casualty) mess. They don't even know for sure if
> > it's a head on crash or a rear ender yet.
> >
> > Fingers crossed and hoping as many as possible can walk away from this
> > scratch free.
> >
>
> The death rate just went from 2 to 4. They say that the second train ran
> into a train that was stopped at a platform waiting for instructions to move
> forward. That second train must have been going very fast to have lifted up
> the stopped train. Wow. This is horrible.

I don't think it would have to be going "very fast", there is an awful
lot of mass in those trains and other than the traction motor units ar
the bottom, very little structure up top, so all the mass of the rest of
the cars will collapse the impact ones pretty readily.

The real question is why they don't have decent collision avoidance
sensors up front. Granted on curving sections you won't get enough range
to help much, but straight shots coming into stations they should be
able to detect a stopped train / obstacle far enough ahead to auto apply
brakes in time to if not completely avoid impact, do so at a greatly
reduced speed.

Pete C. > wrote:

> The real question is why they don't have decent collision
> avoidance sensors up front. Granted on curving sections you
> won't get enough range to help much, but straight shots coming
> into stations they should be able to detect a stopped train /
> obstacle far enough ahead to auto apply brakes in time to if
> not completely avoid impact, do so at a greatly reduced speed.

Because technology cannot solve everything.

Look at Air France. The cause has not been determined
but it could likely be pilots unable to fight the computers'
behavior when various electronic systems fail. Systems
designed to avert accidents instead causing them.

S.

"Pete C."

> The real question is why they don't have decent collision avoidance>
> sensors up front. Granted on curving sections you won't get enough range>
> to help much, but straight shots coming into stations they should be
> able to detect a stopped train / obstacle far enough ahead to auto apply>
> brakes in time to if not completely avoid impact, do so at a greatly>
> reduced speed.

There is supposed to be computer controls that sense if any train on the
system is getting too near to another. They have actually said at times
that the drivers aren't necessary. The driver didn't help this time, and
she was probably the first to die. I have not yet heard from my kid yet.
Even though this wouldn't be her norm, she is on holiday this week and I
would have liked a call!

On Jun 22, 7:18*pm, Mr. Bill > wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:18:24 -0400, "Cheryl"
>
> > wrote:
> >The death rate just went from 2 to 4.
>
> Oh my...a hundred per cent increase in death. * *One Hundred Fifteen
> died in an auto accident today. *Source: *
>
> http://www.gorenlaw.com/car-accident...=CK7R2JuOn5sCF....
>
> Moral of the story...you would be safer on mass transit. *

One reason I hate to see reports of train accdents is that it could
have a negative effect on funding for mass transit, which is, as you
wrote, safer. I wish that the dumbass bumpkins around here would
support our transit system.

--Bryan

On Jun 23, 3:37*am, Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> On Jun 22, 7:18*pm, Mr. Bill > wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:18:24 -0400, "Cheryl"
>
> > > wrote:
> > >The death rate just went from 2 to 4.
>
> > Oh my...a hundred per cent increase in death. * *One Hundred Fifteen
> > died in an auto accident today. *Source: *
>
> >http://www.gorenlaw.com/car-accident...=CK7R2JuOn5sCF....
>
> > Moral of the story...you would be safer on mass transit. *
>
> One reason I hate to see reports of train accdents is that it could
> have a negative effect on funding for mass transit, which is, as you
> wrote, safer. *I wish that the dumbass bumpkins around here would
> support our transit system.
>
> --Bryan

On the other hand, it may lead to improvements in the rail system! It
did in the Park Avenue Tunnel Crash in Manhattan in 1902!!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/grandce...news/1902.html

John Kuthe...

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:44:39 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On the other hand, it may lead to improvements in the rail system! It
>did in the Park Avenue Tunnel Crash in Manhattan in 1902!!

That's good news...now we only need to wait 107 years to see some
action!!