"sf" wrote

> I don't think he deserved all that bad press. He needed a good house
> mother (nanny) to tell him when he was about to cross the line of what
> middle americans call common decency. It was obvious he couldn't tell
> when what he did would get him into trouble with people who have dirty
> minds.
>
> I think there are several boys with (scheming b*tch) mothers who
> thought their sons (cough, children) could net them a lot of money.

I agree. I'm gonna post a thought concept here. Take it in layers and see
where it leads.

Michael was pretty much living in a bus with all his brothers and sisters
and parents when he was young. The formative age in fact where you get
taught 'dont show that part of your body'. He was learning 'except with
friends/family on the bus'. I mean, they had to change and dunno if the
early one had a real bathroom sort of facility at all but I bet they had to
change clothes and things.

Nudity taboos were not entrenched at early age. (Younger sister show habits
of dropping breasts in public and are a might bit suprised they have to
apologize.)

Skip forward, Michael isnt careful about nudity taboos when at home,
especially with kids who are harmless to him. He considers this 'normal'.
He may not close the bathroom door when taking a whizz and thinks little of
being seen naked by a kid (long as he isnt holding a camera!).

Now, add factor. He's got a LOT of money by most folks standards. He's also
a prodct of a very arrested childhood and gets along well with kids (both as
friends, and as wanting to just help a bit). This one is a little strange
but we all know now he was a little different. He was raised from age 6 as
a 'child music star' and that must have impacted him. He was a little
'child like' in many ways even to the end.

Suddenly, once he's *rich* people start trying to accuse him of child
molestation but not one verdict against him after multiple attempts. The
most damning evidence is some may have seen him naked.

He seems to have never done this 'see me naked' around girls but considered
it a non-issue for boys. Keep in mind from age 8, he was chased by flocks
of girls to the point of being hurt a few times.

So what do you have? A sad case of a very talented man with lots of money
and a past that doesnt match any of ours, with many accusations that would
if panned out, lead to millions for the 'mother'.

Ok my own perspective as well: We arent 'nudists' by definition at all but
at home, we rarely close a door to the bathroom (unless there are guests in
which case we do). Our daughter has seen my husband naked since she *could*
see as he would get in the tub to bathe her. By the time she could wash her
own hair, she knew what a 'boy' looked like pretty well. This doesnt match
what some here and today are used to, but there's nothing going on other
than 'that is what a body looks like and I got one too'. She hasnt learned
that it's 'nasty or bad' but just a piece of herself, sacrosanct in what she
does with it, but not anything bad if a friend sees it.

On Jun 26, 4:20*pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
> Chemo the Clown > *news:e055786f-6cd3-4fa0-a7f4-6515062435c6
> @a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com: in rec.food.cooking
>
> > On Jun 26, 6:53*am, "Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:
>
> >> He served a lot more than Jesus Juice to those kids. Gawd... it skeeves
> >> me out.
>
> >> Michael
>
> > Got proof?
>
> As much as you have.
>
> Michael
>
> --
> “Always tell the truth - it's the easiest thing to remember”
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ~ American Playwright David Mamet
>
> You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com


Well then...neither of us can prove anything. I think it's more than
likely that he's a pedio but if I was on the jury I most likely would
have voted the way the rest of them did. Not everything has
justice....even in America. :-)

jmcquown wrote:
> "nospam" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Cheryl wrote:
>>>
>>> "cybercat" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> He was such a cute kid. I like to remember him how he was when he
>>>> sang "I'll Be There."
>>>
>>> I agree. I know he was accused of a lot and was made fun of but
>>> after death I couldn't even demonize him no matter what.
>>
>> If you were one of the parents of the children he had molested I bet
>> you wouldn't feel that way would you? He WAS a Pedofile and a creep at
>> the end. Thankfully IT is gone now. If there is any justice he/she/it
>> is frying in hell but that is not up to me.
>>
>
> You're right; it's not up to you. Those charges were never proven in a
> court of law. I'm not judging one way or the other because I don't
> know. I DO know he was a talented performer and I won't belittle him in
> death.
>
> Jill

Yep. OJ was a talented football player. We all know about his day in
court.

-dk

On Jun 25, 7:57*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Jill replied:
>
> >> If there is any justice he/she/it is frying in hell but that is not up to
> >> me.
>
> > You're right; it's not up to you. *Those charges were never proven in a
> > court of law.
>
> God doesn't care about the courts. He *knows* what Michael did, including
> his blasphemously referring to wine as "Jesus Juice" and serving it to kids.

Yes God doesn't care about the courts. God knows that Michael was not
guilty in the ways inconsidersate, the judgemental people who failed
to take incosideration of many factors shaping Michael's child-like
innocent mind.

>
> Bob

On Jun 26, 12:47*pm, Becca > wrote:
> Cheryl wrote:
> > I have never been one of those who believed in what he was accused of.
> > Children victims are at a disadvantage. *They parrot what their
> > parents say and reality becomes confused. *I'm not saying he didn't do
> > what he was accused of, I'm just saying that I, personally, don't
> > believe anything he might have done was malicious.
>
> Michael Jackson was an enigma to most of us, he was black/white,
> masculine/feminine, old/young. *Was he guilty or innocent of molesting
> children? *We have no way of knowing. *He was acquitted in court, but he
> was not found innocent. *O.J. Simpson was also acquitted in the state of
> California, although most of us suspected he was guilty. *
>
> He was a talented man who was shrouded in mystery. *He was popular when
> I was a child, so I "grew up" with Michael Jackson. It will be
> interesting to discover the cause of death. *It could have been natural
> causes, but I fear it was an accidental overdose of prescription drugs. *
> That is happening way too often. *At one time, people were dying from
> illegal drugs, but that has changed. *Prescription medication is cheap
> and too easy to obtain.

There there. Don't worry about Michael. He's with Elvis now.
>
> Becca

--Bryan

"Michael "Dog3"" wrote
> "cshenk"

> I understand what you're saying but I don't buy it when it comes to MJ.
> 40yo men just don't have sleepovers with other people's children. Would
> you allow your 8yo child to have a sleepover with a 40yo man? In the same
> bed? I wouldn't.

MJ was 'unusual' and no one debates that.

> I think MJ was a sad, gender confused pedophile. I will never understand

He was probably sad and gender confused. Pedophile, I do not know. Lets
say that he was aquitted in all cases that came to court.