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I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. Some of you may think this very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the restaurant. Your thoughts please.
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norfolk wrote on Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:07:05 +0100:
> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. > Which will focus on ONLY British food, no imported > ingredients. If not native to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my > kitchen. Some of you may think this very restrictive but sit & > think for a while. This will be real cooking, no hidden > flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown on site as > it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > restaurant. Your thoughts please. Apart from a few things imported from the Empire, that used to be British cooking and we all know what it was like! -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On Jul 7, 11:07*am, norfolk dumplin <norfolk.dumplin.
> wrote: > I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which > will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native > to UK, it WILL NOT *be used in my kitchen. Some of you may think this > very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real > cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown > on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > restaurant. Your thoughts please. lol.....good luck in bankruptcy.... |
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James Silverton wrote:
> > norfolk wrote on Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:07:05 +0100: > > > I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. > > Which will focus on ONLY British food, no imported > > ingredients. If not native to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my > > kitchen. Some of you may think this very restrictive but sit & > > think for a while. This will be real cooking, no hidden > > flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown on site as > > it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > > restaurant. Your thoughts please. > > Apart from a few things imported from the Empire, that used to be > British cooking and we all know what it was like! Who can forget this description of classic British fa http://groups.google.com/group/rec.f...8e0399fd0e5e40 |
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![]() "norfolk dumplin" > wrote in message . .. > > I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which > will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native > to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. Some of you may think this > very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real > cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown > on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > restaurant. Your thoughts please. > Tourist's heaven: French cook British police German mechanic Italian lover and the Swiss run everything Tourist's hell: British cook German police French mechanic Swiss lover and the Italians run everything Ms P |
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On Jul 7, 1:03*pm, "James Silverton" >
wrote: > *norfolk *wrote *on Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:07:05 +0100: > > > I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. > > Which will focus on ONLY British food, no imported > > ingredients. If not native to UK, it WILL NOT *be used in my > > kitchen. Some of you may think this very restrictive but sit & > > think for a while. This will be real cooking, no hidden > > flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown on site as > > it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > > restaurant. Your thoughts please. > > Apart from a few things imported from the Empire, that used to be > British cooking and we all know what it was like! > -- > > James Silverton > Potomac, Maryland > > Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not What's the name? How 'bout "Taters, Taters, and more Taters"! |
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norfolk dumplin wrote:
> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which > will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native > to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. Some of you may think this > very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real > cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown > on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > restaurant. Your thoughts please. > > > > Don't offer "mushy peas" I didn't find much I liked about the food in the UK but the mushy peas were the very worst. UGH! There was not enough malt vinegar in the universe to make them taste good. JMHO. -- Janet Wilder Way-the-heck-south Texas Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does. |
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![]() norfolk dumplin wrote: > I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which > will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native > to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. Some of you may think this > very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real > cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown > on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > restaurant. Your thoughts please. > Not a new idea, though perhaps your strictures are more severe than the phenomena of the last 25 - 30 years .... im thinking of .... like, oh, for example, "From the Tables of Britain" by Elisabeth Lambert Ortiz. Gourmet English food. English and not French, which is what used to be English Gourmet food. She makes it clear in her text that while English cooks have not abandoned the disciplines of classical technique, "they have adapted the greatness of the past to contemporary needs, using modern foodstuff and modern kitchen technologies." One of Escoffier's radicalism's was an insistence on only the very freshest and best ingredients, an attitude that has become much more widely respected than in his day. Seasonal and local while not neglecting those excellent food products that must, for one reason or another, be imported. Or purchased commercially as a product. Salt for example as much as any particular seasoning like Pique seasoning or Worcestershire Sauce. I mean, rum and brandy mousse? what kind of rum and brandy you going to use? Chicken breasts with juniper berry sauce or pheasant breasts in ginger and whisky sauce definitely doable assuming good Scotch whisky is allowed ![]() -- Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. Domine, dirige nos. Let the games begin! http://www.dancingmice.net/Karn%20Evil%209.mp3 |
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![]() "Janet Baraclough" > wrote in message ... > The message > > from norfolk dumplin > > contains these words: > > >> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native >> to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. > > So, no potatoes, tomatoes, tea, coffee, chocolate, dried beans or > spices? None of those are native to Britain > > > If you mean, you intend to serve only ingredients grown in Britain, > you can have potatoes and > tomatoes but still no coffee, tea and chocolate. > > Some of you may think this >> very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real >> cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown >> on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the >> restaurant. > > no fish, then. > > Your thoughts please. > > I bet you've never tried to feed yourself, all year round, on > whatever you grew yourself. > > How are you planning to produce eggs and cream all year round? > You are such a ****ing pill, Tony. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
> So, no potatoes, tomatoes, tea, coffee, chocolate, dried beans or > spices? None of those are native to Britain > > > If you mean, you intend to serve only ingredients grown in Britain, > you can have potatoes and > tomatoes but still no coffee, tea and chocolate. Last June when I was in Estonia I went to a restaurant that had only foods that had been available in the region in the 1400s. it was an interesting meal. I had boar served with a berry sauce, turnips, sphelt, barley, rye bread, onion jam. I was not impressed with the honey beer. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
> > If you mean, you intend to serve only ingredients grown in Britain, > you can have potatoes and > tomatoes but still no coffee, tea and chocolate. Or black pepper, cinnamon, or brown sugar. Are there beet-sugar refineries in Britain? If not, no white sugar, either. On the other hand, with the recent success of the BNP, he might be on to something. He might be planning to appeal to a certain clientele who will patronize his establishment for ideological reasons. They might even convince themselves that the food is better for these ideological reasons. Like those people who eat Marmite. |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
> Janet Baraclough wrote: >> If you mean, you intend to serve only ingredients grown in Britain, >> you can have potatoes and >> tomatoes but still no coffee, tea and chocolate. > > Or black pepper, cinnamon, or brown sugar. > Are there beet-sugar refineries in Britain? > If not, no white sugar, either. The same can be said of much of Europe. Just look at the staples of European cooking and see how many of them came from the Americas. |
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norfolk dumplin said...
> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which > will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native > to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. This has the "look and feel" of a troll post. It should be called "Entirely British." "Essentially British" makes NO sense at all. Andy |
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![]() "Andy" > wrote in message ... > norfolk dumplin said... > >> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native >> to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. > > > This has the "look and feel" of a troll post. Sez the expert on starting TROLL POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > It should be called "Entirely British." > > "Essentially British" makes NO sense at all. 'Bout as much sense as anything posted by Andy > > Andy |
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norfolk dumplin > wrote in
: > Your thoughts please. Reminds me of that episode of Chef when Gareth is taking part in an international cooking competition in France (season 2, episode 7). He was to make a truly English dish using only local ingredients, including wine. When it came time to include the wine, the bottle had disappeared and he was forced to go around to wine shops asking them for English wine. Of course, they thought he was insane :-) -- Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> > Mark Thorson wrote: > > Janet Baraclough wrote: > >> If you mean, you intend to serve only ingredients grown in Britain, > >> you can have potatoes and > >> tomatoes but still no coffee, tea and chocolate. > > > > Or black pepper, cinnamon, or brown sugar. > > Are there beet-sugar refineries in Britain? > > If not, no white sugar, either. > > The same can be said of much of Europe. Just look at the staples of > European cooking and see how many of them came from the Americas. An important distinction being whether the line is drawn on ingredients that were originally from elsewhere but are produced domestically now vs. ingredients that have always been produced domestically. Of course, if it's the latter, how far back does "always" mean? Prehistoric times? Roman times? Europeans did not always have wheat. Heck, if you go back far enough, they haven't always had any farmed food. |
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Norman Paperman said...
> > "Andy" > wrote in message news:Xns9C41C11A0A8F5CotD@ 216.196.97.131... >> norfolk dumplin said... >> >>> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >>> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native >>> to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. >> >> >> This has the "look and feel" of a troll post. > > Sez the expert on starting TROLL POSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > >> >> It should be called "Entirely British." >> >> "Essentially British" makes NO sense at all. > > 'Bout as much sense as anything posted by Andy > >> >> Andy How ineffectual can you get? Andy |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message > > from "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > contains these words: > >> Chicken breasts with juniper berry sauce or pheasant breasts in ginger >> and whisky sauce definitely doable assuming good Scotch whisky is allowed ![]() > > Ginger isn't; it's not native or produced in Britain. > > Janet. It's not "our" restaurant; we don't get to make the rules. gloria p |
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> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which
> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. Don't overlook the fact that 90 per cent of all restaurants that open this year will close before the next tax filing year. A "British" restaurant would not compel me to join in a bland food experience. Best of luck...you will need it more than you know. |
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![]() "Mr. Bill" > wrote in message ... >> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. > > Don't overlook the fact that 90 per cent of all restaurants that open > this year will close before the next tax filing year. > > A "British" restaurant would not compel me to join in a bland food > experience. Such ignorance!! |
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![]() "graham" > wrote in message ... > > "Mr. Bill" > wrote in message > ... >>> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >>> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. >> >> Don't overlook the fact that 90 per cent of all restaurants that open >> this year will close before the next tax filing year. >> >> A "British" restaurant would not compel me to join in a bland food >> experience. > > Such ignorance!! And that's his good side. |
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![]() Janet Baraclough wrote: > An message from "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." contains these words: > > >>Chicken breasts with juniper berry sauce or pheasant breasts in ginger >>and whisky sauce definitely doable assuming good Scotch whisky is allowed ![]() > > > Ginger isn't; it's not native or produced in Britain. > > Janet. Op. cit. i was giving the OP the benefit of a liberal interpretation of what i thought he might have possibly meant, the spirit of what he wrote, as opposed to what he actually wrote, the spirit and not the letter of what he wrote, im not sure if he meant to be as restrictive as he indicated originally. However, using a strict interpretation of the original post, it should be possible to make an excellent diet and cuisine from what is available under the conditions specified. A lot more work than i would want to go to, for a inevitably simple cuisine. Lots of nuts and berries i assume? A much more strict seasonal rotation of foodstuffs than i would want to have to live on daily. But as a restaurant experience? who knows? it might catch on. Beer, wine and even hard liquor would seem to be acceptable. That can cover up a lot of deficiencies in an otherwise boring .... er ... simple diet ![]() I have considered starting a Wholly Roman Emporium and sell only things originating from with in the geographical confines of the old Holy Roman Empire ![]() Aren't there 'recreations' of stone age or mediaeval villages in Britain where one can purchase an modern interpretation of a stone age or mediaeval bite to eat? There are places like that in the states where you can have a miners meal or dine at a recreation of a colonial inn, with authentic period food. Even if one attended a real Native american potlatch one is less likely to get traditional Native food than at one of the more touristy & new agey 'gathering of the tribes' that put an emphasis on 'traditional foods'. To the amusement of many Natives, who are amused by anyone choosing, lard fried ferns and buffalo jerky or "saddle meat" over a nice salad Nicoise and a grilled filet mignon ![]() -- Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. Domine, dirige nos. Let the games begin! http://mac.easthouston.net/thehound/...3s/start32.mp3 |
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![]() Andy wrote: > norfolk dumplin said... > > >>I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >>will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native >>to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. > > > > This has the "look and feel" of a troll post. Been reading RFC Long Andy? Some people like a nice bit of roasted troll ![]() > > It should be called "Entirely British." > > "Essentially British" makes NO sense at all. > > Andy Especially to a Brit ![]() -- Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. Domine, dirige nos. Let the games begin! http://mac.easthouston.net/thehound/...3s/start13.mp3 |
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graham wrote:
> "Mr. Bill" > wrote in message > ... >>> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. >>> Which >>> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. >> >> Don't overlook the fact that 90 per cent of all restaurants that >> open >> this year will close before the next tax filing year. >> >> A "British" restaurant would not compel me to join in a bland food >> experience. > > Such ignorance!! They'll never learn will they, Graham? <g> |
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"Ms P" > wrote: > Tourist's heaven: > French cook > British police > German mechanic > Italian lover > and the Swiss run everything > > > Tourist's hell: > British cook > German police > French mechanic > Swiss lover > and the Italians run everything Here's a rather old American men's version. Heaven: An American salary, Japanese wife, English home and a Chinese cook. Hell: A Chinese salary, American wife, Japanese home, and an English cook. leo |
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On Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:03:39 GMT, "James Silverton"
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine: > norfolk wrote on Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:07:05 +0100: > >> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. >> Which will focus on ONLY British food, no imported >> ingredients. If not native to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my >> kitchen. Some of you may think this very restrictive but sit & >> think for a while. This will be real cooking, no hidden >> flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown on site as >> it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the >> restaurant. Your thoughts please. > >Apart from a few things imported from the Empire, that used to be >British cooking and we all know what it was like! I did not see the original post, but it reminded me of a story about a Welsh sausage maker that was forbidden to use the term "Welsh Dragon Sausages" in their product packaging (for those unfamiliar, the Red Dragon - or Y Ddraig Goch - it's iconic for Wales). It seems there's no *real* dragon meat in "Welsh Dragon Sausages," which advertising might mislead the public. <snort!> http://www.loweringthebar.net/2007/0...g_welsh_d.html Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd -- "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner." - Duncan Hines To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox" |
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![]() "norfolk dumplin" > wrote in message . .. > > I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which > will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native > to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. Some of you may think this > very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real > cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown > on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > restaurant. Your thoughts please. > > What tea is grown in Britain? Coffee beans? How about peppercorns? Chocolate made from cocoa? |
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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:07:03 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
>Such ignorance!! I condon you to approve of your opinion....why shouldn't I enjoy that delight? |
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Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. said...
> > Andy wrote: >> norfolk dumplin said... >> >> >>>I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >>>will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native >>>to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. >> >> >> >> This has the "look and feel" of a troll post. > > Been reading RFC Long Andy? > > Some people like a nice bit of roasted troll ![]() > >> >> It should be called "Entirely British." >> >> "Essentially British" makes NO sense at all. >> >> Andy > > Especially to a Brit ![]() JL, [Waving!] Best, Andy |
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![]() "Mr. Bill" > wrote in message ... > On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:07:03 -0600, "graham" > wrote: > >>Such ignorance!! > > I condon you to approve of your opinion....why shouldn't I enjoy that > delight? > > I see that you are also ignorant of the English language! |
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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:21:52 -0600, "graham" > wrote:
>I see that you are also ignorant of the English language! > Pardon me bucko.....didn't realize that YOU are the only person that can contribute an opinion. Keep it to yourself...I already have formed my opinion of you. |
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On Jul 7, 5:00*pm, Chemo the Clown > wrote:
> On Jul 7, 1:03*pm, "James Silverton" > > wrote: > > > > > > > *norfolk *wrote *on Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:07:05 +0100: > > > > I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. > > > Which will focus on ONLY British food, no imported > > > ingredients. If not native to UK, it WILL NOT *be used in my > > > kitchen. Some of you may think this very restrictive but sit & > > > think for a while. This will be real cooking, no hidden > > > flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown on site as > > > it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the > > > restaurant. Your thoughts please. > > > Apart from a few things imported from the Empire, that used to be > > British cooking and we all know what it was like! > > -- > > > James Silverton > > Potomac, Maryland > > > Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not > > What's the name? How 'bout "Taters, Taters, and more Taters"!- Sorry, not native to the UK. Came from South America post-Columbus. What are we left with? Mutton and barley? At some point, even those were introduced, so I guess we'll have to draw a cutoff line somewhere. 1500? 1800? 2009? Cindy Hamilton |
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Mark Thorson wrote:
>> The same can be said of much of Europe. Just look at the staples of >> European cooking and see how many of them came from the Americas. > > An important distinction being whether the line > is drawn on ingredients that were originally from > elsewhere but are produced domestically now vs. > ingredients that have always been produced > domestically. Of course, if it's the latter, > how far back does "always" mean? Prehistoric > times? Roman times? Europeans did not always > have wheat. Heck, if you go back far enough, > they haven't always had any farmed food. Perhaps it can include all foods that were available when it became Britain. Like most of the rest of the world, it is a country that has seen a lot of population changes as people invaded/ moved in from a variety of western European regions. As they came they brought their various foods with them. There were Picts, Gaels, Celts, Romans, Danes, Anglo Saxons, French etc. Each has made significant contributions. Britain became a major world power in the 1500s as it sent out explorers privateers and its navy to colonize and empire that spanned the globe, and there is every reason to include the products that came to Britain from its empire. |
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Janet wrote on Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:39:55 +0100:
>> I have considered starting a Wholly Roman Emporium and sell >> only things originating from with in the geographical >> confines of the old Holy Roman Empire ![]() > Britain was occupied by the Roman Empire; so put fish and > chips and bread and butter pudding on the menu. The phrase the OP used was "native to Britain", which is rather limiting. The Romans were fond of a sauce thay used like ketchup called Garum. Apparently, it was like the cruder forms of Southeast Asian fermented fish sauces so perhaps Thai food might get in. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 15:49:07 -0500, Ms P wrote:
> "norfolk dumplin" > wrote in > message . .. >> >> I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which >> will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native >> to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen. Some of you may think this >> very restrictive but sit & think for a while. This will be real >> cooking, no hidden flavours just the real taste of the food. All grown >> on site as it will be part of a farm given over to produce just for the >> restaurant. Your thoughts please. >> > > Tourist's heaven: > French cook > British police > German mechanic > Italian lover > and the Swiss run everything > > Tourist's hell: > British cook > German police > French mechanic > Swiss lover > and the Italians run everything > > Ms P hey! *i* made the trains run on time! your pal, benito |
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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 07:21:52 -0600, graham wrote:
> "Mr. Bill" > wrote in message > ... >> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 19:07:03 -0600, "graham" > wrote: >> >>>Such ignorance!! >> >> I condon you to approve of your opinion....why shouldn't I enjoy that >> delight? >> >> > I see that you are also ignorant of the English language! it must mean something, but i'm at a loss as to what it might be. your pal, blake |
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On Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:46:00 +0100, Janet Baraclough
> wrote: > The OP set the rules for his own restaurant. He said > > "I intend on opening a restaurant called 'Essentially British'. Which > will focus on ONLY British food, no imported ingredients. If not native > to UK, it WILL NOT be used in my kitchen." I interpreted it to mean "grown in" Britain. So, he'll serve wine if the grapes were grown and bottled there. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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Janet Baraclough wrote:
> The message > > from "Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > contains these > words: > >> I have considered starting a Wholly Roman Emporium and sell only things >> originating from with in the geographical confines of the old Holy Roman >> Empire ![]() > > Britain was occupied by the Roman Empire; so put fish and chips and > bread and butter pudding on the menu. <snip> The Holy Roman Empire isn't the Roman Empire. Cheers, Michael Kuettner |
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James Silverton wrote:
> Janet wrote on Wed, 8 Jul 2009 15:39:55 +0100: > >>> I have considered starting a Wholly Roman Emporium and sell >>> only things originating from with in the geographical >>> confines of the old Holy Roman Empire ![]() > >> Britain was occupied by the Roman Empire; so put fish and >> chips and bread and butter pudding on the menu. > > The phrase the OP used was "native to Britain", which is rather > limiting. The Romans were fond of a sauce thay used like ketchup > called Garum. Apparently, it was like the cruder forms of Southeast > Asian fermented fish sauces so perhaps Thai food might get in. How about The Dreaded British Rail Sandwich, James...??? ;-P -- Best Greg |
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