Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous,
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>
> They sure don't look the same, Sheldon.

They're not the same. Black raspberries are hollow (as are their red
sisters); blackberries are not.

"Giusi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Melba's Jammin'" ha scritto nel messaggio news
>> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous,
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>>
>> They sure don't look the same, Sheldon.
>
> And they aren't. Blackberries have a core and raspberries do not. No
> matter what Wiki says.

Wiki SAYS the same thing. That black raspberries are mistaken for
blackberries but are not the same thing.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous,
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>
> They sure don't look the same, Sheldon.
>


Rubus fruiticosus vs. Rubus occidentalis.

Different.

gloria p

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:52 GMT, "brooklyn1"
> wrote:

>Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous, they're a cultivar of the
>same plant, same as red raspberries, purple raspberries, yellow
>raspberries... there are hundreds of varietals/hybrids.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry

Not so. Blackberries and black raspberries are both forms of Rubrus.
But, simply because the names are used interchangeably in some areas
doesn't alter the fact that they are definitely different.

If you want a more technical read:
http://www.botany.com/rubus.html

Ross.

In article >,
"Giusi" > wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" ha scritto nel messaggio news
> > "brooklyn1" > wrote:
> >> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous,
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
> >
> > They sure don't look the same, Sheldon.
>
> And they aren't. Blackberries have a core and raspberries do not. No
> matter what Wiki says.

Understood. And those cooked cores look like worms in a jar of jam!

--
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"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous,
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>
> They sure don't look the same, Sheldon.
>
>
My bad... I meant to say that the different colored raspberries are the same
plant.

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> Kate Connally > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>>>>>> before. They are never available in the stores, fresh or frozen.
>>>>>> No, you can't get them in supermarkets.
>>>>> I bought them at TJ. Inexpensive, too. Frozen.
>>>> Black raspberries and not blackberries?????
>>> I believe that's what I wrote.
>>>
>> Just checking. Some people seem to use the terms interchangeably.
>> I should have realize that was not the case with you.
>
> I sounded a bit strident there‹I apologize for that.
>
>> Also, however, at the TJs around here, I have seen frozen
>> blackberries
>
> Sure.
>
>> but never black raspberries. Well, maybe in some mixed
>> berries. I'll have to check on that.
>
> I don't think I see them in frozen blends‹interesting. I just checked
> the freezer to be triple certain. You wouldn't mistake these for
> blackberries. First time I picked them up they were $3 for the bag;
> next time they were $2. Heckuva deal. First time I've noticed them
> there.
>
As I just said in email, I looked at TJ's last night and at the
last moment realized the black raspberries were there. Yippee!
Thanks for the clue!

--
Jean B.

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:05:09 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In article >,
>>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>> > In article >,
>>>> > Kate Connally > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> zxcvbob wrote:
>>>> >>> before. They are never available in the stores, fresh or frozen.
>>>> >> No, you can't get them in supermarkets.
>>>> >
>>>> > I bought them at TJ. Inexpensive, too. Frozen.
>>>>
>>>> Black raspberries and not blackberries?????
>>>
>>> I believe that's what I wrote.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous, they're a cultivar of
>> the same plant, same as red raspberries, purple raspberries, yellow
>> raspberries... there are hundreds of varietals/hybrids.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>>
> Asshole. Here is what the above says, the opposite of what you are saying.
>
> "Black Raspberry, a North American fruit sometimes confused with
> blackberries. "

nothing says idiocy like posting a cite that contradicts your premise. not
the first time for sheldon, either.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:34:13 -0500, Melba's Jammin' wrote:

> In article >,
> "Giusi" > wrote:
>
>> "Melba's Jammin'" ha scritto nel messaggio news
>>> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>>>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous,
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>>>
>>> They sure don't look the same, Sheldon.
>>
>> And they aren't. Blackberries have a core and raspberries do not. No
>> matter what Wiki says.
>
> Understood. And those cooked cores look like worms in a jar of jam!

pretend it's tequila.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:37:26 GMT, brooklyn1 wrote:

> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "brooklyn1" > wrote:
>>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous,
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>>
>> They sure don't look the same, Sheldon.
>>
>>
> My bad... I meant to say that the different colored raspberries are the same
> plant.

sheldon admits an error? i knew something weird was happening when the sun
rose in the west today.

blake

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> > I don't think I see them in frozen blendsÐinteresting. I just checked
> > the freezer to be triple certain. You wouldn't mistake these for
> > blackberries. First time I picked them up they were $3 for the bag;
> > next time they were $2. Heckuva deal. First time I've noticed them
> > there.
> >
> As I just said in email, I looked at TJ's last night and at the
> last moment realized the black raspberries were there. Yippee!
> Thanks for the clue!

Be sure to spell my name correctly on the check. "-0) "Research fee."

--
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-Philo of Alexandria

brooklyn1 wrote:
> "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> Kate Connally > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>>>>> before. They are never available in the stores, fresh or frozen.
>>>>> No, you can't get them in supermarkets.
>>>> I bought them at TJ. Inexpensive, too. Frozen.
>>> Black raspberries and not blackberries?????
>> I believe that's what I wrote.
>>
>>
>>
> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous, they're a cultivar of the
> same plant,

No, they're not! They're a totally different plant. They
are in the same genus but are not the same species.

The blackberry is an aggregate fruit from a bramble bush.
Blackberries are perennial plants which typically bear biennial stems
("canes") from the perennial root system.

Black raspberry is a common name for two closely related species of the
genus Rubus. Rubus occidentalis is a species of Rubus native to eastern
North America. Its common name black raspberry is shared with the
closely related western American species Rubus leucodermis. Other names
occasionally used include wild black raspberry, black caps, black cap
raspberry, and thimbleberry. Rubus occidentalis is a deciduous shrub
growing to 2–3 m tall, with thorny shoots. The black fruit makes them
look like Blackberries, though this is only superficial.

same as red raspberries, purple raspberries, yellow
> raspberries... there are hundreds of varietals/hybrids.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry

Nowhere in this article does it say anything about black
raspberries being a variety of blackberries.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

On Jul 21, 2:32*pm, Kate Connally > wrote:
> brooklyn1 wrote:
> > "Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> In article >,
> >> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
> >>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >>>> In article >,
> >>>> *Kate Connally > wrote:
>
> >>>>> zxcvbob wrote:
> >>>>>> before. *They are never available in the stores, fresh or frozen..
> >>>>> No, you can't get them in supermarkets.
> >>>> I bought them at TJ. *Inexpensive, too. *Frozen.
> >>> Black raspberries and not blackberries?????
> >> I believe that's what I wrote.
>
> > Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous, they're a cultivar of the
> > same plant,
>
> No, they're not! *They're a totally different plant. *They
> are in the same genus but are not the same species.
>
> The blackberry is an aggregate fruit from a bramble bush.
> Blackberries are perennial plants which typically bear biennial stems
> ("canes") from the perennial root system.
>
> Black raspberry is a common name for two closely related species of the
> genus Rubus. *Rubus occidentalis is a species of Rubus native to eastern
> North America. *Its common name black raspberry is shared with the
> closely related western American species Rubus leucodermis. Other names
> occasionally used include wild black raspberry, black caps, black cap
> raspberry, and thimbleberry. *Rubus occidentalis is a deciduous shrub
> growing to 2–3 m tall, with thorny shoots. *The black fruit makes them
> look like Blackberries, though this is only superficial.
>
> same as red raspberries, purple raspberries, yellow
>
> > raspberries... there are hundreds of varietals/hybrids.
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>
> Nowhere in this article does it say anything about black
> raspberries being a variety of blackberries.
>
> Kate

I don't think that anyone who has had the two would be convinced that
they are the same thing.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

Kate replied to Sheldon:

>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous, they're a cultivar of
>> the same plant,
<snip>
> same as red raspberries, purple raspberries, yellow
>> raspberries... there are hundreds of varietals/hybrids.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>
> Nowhere in this article does it say anything about black
> raspberries being a variety of blackberries.


Kate, you made a few elementary mistakes:

1. You assume that Sheldon is amenable to reason.

2. You assume that Sheldon actually READS the links he posts.

3. You assume that any fact, no matter how ironclad, has the same authority
as the voices in Sheldon's head.

As to the Wikipedia page Sheldon quoted, allow me to point out that the
article does not say that black raspberries are NOT blackberries. Therefore,
under "Sheldon Logic," black raspberries MUST be blackberries. By that same
logic, present only when Sheldon is posting, black raspberries are also
strawberries, pineapples, aloe vera, dachshunds, double-decker buses,
Michelle Obama, and Tajikistan.

You can expect Sheldon to call you a know-nothing TIAD douchebag any minute
now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubus_occidentalis says this about black
raspberries:

"The black fruit makes them look like Blackberries, though this is only
superficial, with the taste being unique and not like either the red
raspberry or the blackberry. In much of the Mid-Atlantic United States,
black raspberries are simply called Blackberries, even though they are not."

Bob

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:15:43 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Kate replied to Sheldon:
>
>>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous, they're a cultivar of
>>> the same plant,
> <snip>
>> same as red raspberries, purple raspberries, yellow
>>> raspberries... there are hundreds of varietals/hybrids.
>>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>>
>> Nowhere in this article does it say anything about black
>> raspberries being a variety of blackberries.
>
> Kate, you made a few elementary mistakes:
>
> 1. You assume that Sheldon is amenable to reason.
>
> 2. You assume that Sheldon actually READS the links he posts.
>
> 3. You assume that any fact, no matter how ironclad, has the same authority
> as the voices in Sheldon's head.
>
> As to the Wikipedia page Sheldon quoted, allow me to point out that the
> article does not say that black raspberries are NOT blackberries. Therefore,
> under "Sheldon Logic," black raspberries MUST be blackberries. By that same
> logic, present only when Sheldon is posting, black raspberries are also
> strawberries, pineapples, aloe vera, dachshunds, double-decker buses,
> Michelle Obama, and Tajikistan.
>

<snort>

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:15:43 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Kate replied to Sheldon:
>>
>>>> Blackberries and black raspberries are synonymous, they're a cultivar of
>>>> the same plant,
>> <snip>
>>> same as red raspberries, purple raspberries, yellow
>>>> raspberries... there are hundreds of varietals/hybrids.
>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackberry
>>> Nowhere in this article does it say anything about black
>>> raspberries being a variety of blackberries.
>> Kate, you made a few elementary mistakes:
>>
>> 1. You assume that Sheldon is amenable to reason.
>>
>> 2. You assume that Sheldon actually READS the links he posts.
>>
>> 3. You assume that any fact, no matter how ironclad, has the same authority
>> as the voices in Sheldon's head.
>>
>> As to the Wikipedia page Sheldon quoted, allow me to point out that the
>> article does not say that black raspberries are NOT blackberries. Therefore,
>> under "Sheldon Logic," black raspberries MUST be blackberries. By that same
>> logic, present only when Sheldon is posting, black raspberries are also
>> strawberries, pineapples, aloe vera, dachshunds, double-decker buses,
>> Michelle Obama, and Tajikistan.
>>
>
> <snort>
>
> your pal,
> blake

Oops! Somehow I didn't realize it was Sheldon. I would never
have bothered to reply if I had. He's been killfiled for many
years but I still see people's reply to his messages from time
to time.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Denise in NH wrote:

> No, blackberries are not black raspberries.

Went to the produce place today and noticed the sign said
there were raspberries, black raspberries and blackberries
ready for picking. I swore to pick strawberries this year, but that
was not to be.

Picked 2 1/2 pounds of blackberries. That was a blast. The guy
could see we were rubes and gave us some advice on what to look
for. I was happy when we returned to pay and he said You really
found some good looking berries!

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
> Denise in NH wrote:
>
>> No, blackberries are not black raspberries.
>
> Went to the produce place today and noticed the sign said
> there were raspberries, black raspberries and blackberries ready for
> picking. I swore to pick strawberries this year, but that
> was not to be.
>
> Picked 2 1/2 pounds of blackberries. That was a blast. The guy
> could see we were rubes and gave us some advice on what to look
> for. I was happy when we returned to pay and he said You really
> found some good looking berries!
> nancy

Now you will go back and pick some more "good looking berries." <G>
Farmers do marketing ploys too Nancy.

George Shirley wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:

>> Picked 2 1/2 pounds of blackberries. That was a blast. The guy
>> could see we were rubes and gave us some advice on what to look
>> for. I was happy when we returned to pay and he said You really
>> found some good looking berries!

> Now you will go back and pick some more "good looking berries." <G>
> Farmers do marketing ploys too Nancy.

(laugh) Well, he didn't say it to the other people! And I did pick
the best berries, I could take a picture an prove it. Heh.

nancy

Nancy Young said...

> Denise in NH wrote:
>
>> No, blackberries are not black raspberries.
>
> Went to the produce place today and noticed the sign said
> there were raspberries, black raspberries and blackberries
> ready for picking. I swore to pick strawberries this year, but that
> was not to be.
>
> Picked 2 1/2 pounds of blackberries. That was a blast. The guy
> could see we were rubes and gave us some advice on what to look
> for. I was happy when we returned to pay and he said You really
> found some good looking berries!
>
> nancy


Congrats!

What are you going to make?

Tomorrow's my day in the sweet corn.

If I can stand the heat and tomorrow's air quality alert, I'll visit the
blackberries and peaches. Other than taste, I don't know how to pick
peaches and they grow 34 varieties!? At least they flag the areas for best
ripe ready picking.

Andy
--
www.airnow.gov

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Denise in NH wrote:
>
> > No, blackberries are not black raspberries.
>
> Went to the produce place today and noticed the sign said
> there were raspberries, black raspberries and blackberries
> ready for picking. I swore to pick strawberries this year, but that
> was not to be.
>
> Picked 2 1/2 pounds of blackberries. That was a blast. The guy
> could see we were rubes and gave us some advice on what to look
> for. I was happy when we returned to pay and he said You really
> found some good looking berries!
>
> nancy

Funny you mention blackberries. I just took 7 half pint jars and five
4-ounce jars from the waterbath. I've been listening to the symphony of
plinks as the jars seal. It's a pleasant sound.

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
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"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle."
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