A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:30:01 GMT, BD wrote:

> A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
> way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
> hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.

Why would I spend $8 on a movie that tries to convince me I need to
pay 3x more for food?

I'll stick with eating my shit-tainted beef and my tortured chickens
and pigs.

-sw

BD wrote:

> A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
> way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
> hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.

Our CSA has just gotten into poultry. However, the pricing we've seen is
around $4/lb. Our 'Lamb Guy' is also getting into the whole organic,
free-range, blah-blah-blah chicken business, probably on a much smaller
scale. Since I don't know "who" the poultry producers for our CSA are,
I'd go with Lamb Guy's product first. But yeah, the CSA's are getting in
on the action.

--Lin

On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:30:01 GMT, "BD" > shouted
from the highest rooftop:

>A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
>way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
>hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.

For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?



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bob in nz wrote:

> For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?

Community Supported Agriculture. Typically you pay a fee to get a weekly
supply or "share" of organic produce. Our CSA typically runs for 22
weeks out of the year. The regular share will have fruit, veggies,
herbs, root veggies and potatoes. We have a regular variety share and an
additional fruit share.

It's sort of like Christmas each week when we pick up what we're getting
for the week. Always a surprise or three in there.Then it's sort of like
"Iron Chef NorCal" in deciding what to do with what we got that week.

--Lin

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:00:04 -0700, Lin >
wrote:

>BD wrote:
>
>> A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
>> way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
>> hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>
>Our CSA has just gotten into poultry. However, the pricing we've seen is
>around $4/lb. Our 'Lamb Guy' is also getting into the whole organic,
>free-range, blah-blah-blah chicken business, probably on a much smaller
>scale. Since I don't know "who" the poultry producers for our CSA are,
>I'd go with Lamb Guy's product first. But yeah, the CSA's are getting in
>on the action.
>
Did you see the article in the SF Chronicle a couple of years ago
about one of the milk producers in Marin county that produces free
range eggs too? Apparently he has mobile hen houses that he moves
around his pastures on a regular basis. Whatta concept. I love
the idea!

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I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:08:40 -0700, Lin >
wrote:

>bob in nz wrote:
>
>> For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?
>
>Community Supported Agriculture. Typically you pay a fee to get a weekly
>supply or "share" of organic produce. Our CSA typically runs for 22
>weeks out of the year. The regular share will have fruit, veggies,
>herbs, root veggies and potatoes. We have a regular variety share and an
>additional fruit share.
>
>It's sort of like Christmas each week when we pick up what we're getting
>for the week. Always a surprise or three in there.Then it's sort of like
>"Iron Chef NorCal" in deciding what to do with what we got that week.
>
What do they charge, Lin?


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I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Hi sf, you wrote:

> What do they charge, Lin?

"I" think it's a bit high -- considering that we still go to other
farmers markets during the week -- but if memory serves we are under
$30/week with the additional fruit share. We used to get a bigger box
with a fruit AND a tomato share, which of course costs more. Last year
there was a lot of wasted produce because there was simply too much food
and I didn't have the time or where-with-all to get it put up. This year
is much more manageable ... especially with us traveling as much as we have.

New box tomorrow! Probably more basil in there ....

--Lin

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:59:31 -0700, Lin >
wrote:

>New box tomorrow! Probably more basil in there ....

drool!

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:59:31 -0700, Lin >
shouted from the highest rooftop:

>Hi sf, you wrote:
>
>> What do they charge, Lin?
>
>"I" think it's a bit high -- considering that we still go to other
>farmers markets during the week -- but if memory serves we are under
>$30/week with the additional fruit share. We used to get a bigger box
>with a fruit AND a tomato share, which of course costs more. Last year
>there was a lot of wasted produce because there was simply too much food
>and I didn't have the time or where-with-all to get it put up. This year
>is much more manageable ... especially with us traveling as much as we have.
>
>New box tomorrow! Probably more basil in there ....

We belonged to a similar set-up back in the late-70's when all the
kids were still living at home. But we opted out after a few months
because the quality & quantity of what we got was inconsistent and not
what we would have chosen for ourselves. So there was more waste than
we would have normally had.

We also found it difficult to plan & shop ahead for meals because we
had to wait to see what we'd get in the box. It didn't take us long to
realise that we were better off buying only what we needed when we
needed it.

However I can understand how the system would work for someone else -
especially with a family to feed.


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On Jul 20, 11:08*pm, Lin > wrote:
> bob in nz wrote:
> > For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?
>
> Community Supported Agriculture. Typically you pay a fee to get a weekly
> supply or "share" of organic produce. Our CSA typically runs for 22
> weeks out of the year. The regular share will have fruit, veggies,
> herbs, root veggies and potatoes. We have a regular variety share and an
> additional fruit share.
>
> It's sort of like Christmas each week when we pick up what we're getting
> for the week. Always a surprise or three in there.Then it's sort of like
> "Iron Chef NorCal" in deciding what to do with what we got that week.
>
> --Lin

That's a good way to describe it. This weekend, we had turnip hash
browns, which were surprisingly good since my previous experience with
turnips was less than edible. Last night a dishe of pattypan, swiss
chard, and fresh garlic, with roasted purple potatoes and seasoned
haddock. Now all that's left is the mustard greens which I've been
using for salad, and tomorrow we pick up the new share. I hear rumors
there will be beans, beans, and more beans. The corn, tomatoes and
peppers are thriving, the pumpkins are setting fruit, and all is right
with the (farm)world.

IronChef RI

On Jul 20, 11:59*pm, Lin > wrote:
> Hi sf, you wrote:
> > What do they charge, Lin?
>
> "I" think it's a bit high -- considering that we still go to other
> farmers markets during the week -- but if memory serves we are under
> $30/week with the additional fruit share. We used to get a bigger box
> with a fruit AND a tomato share, which of course costs more. Last year
> there was a lot of wasted produce because there was simply too much food
> and I didn't have the time or where-with-all to get it put up. This year
> is much more manageable ... especially with us traveling as much as we have.
>
> New box tomorrow! Probably more basil in there ....
>
> --Lin

For us, it's $350-450 for a 24-26 week season. Early on, the share is
small, herbs from their greenhouse and salad mix, but now it's getting
to be prolific, so the $15-20/week is not unreasonable for organic,
guaranteed-picked-that-day produce.

Plus there are wild raspberries growing along the edges of the field
that if you pick them they're yours.

There's other foragable greens if you know which weeds are edible.

maxine in ri

BD wrote:
> A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
> way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
> hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>
>
I bet. I have a place where I can buy chicken. And pork,
although that seems to run out.

--
Jean B.

maxine wrote:
> On Jul 20, 11:08 pm, Lin > wrote:
>> bob in nz wrote:
>>> For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?
>> Community Supported Agriculture. Typically you pay a fee to get a weekly
>> supply or "share" of organic produce. Our CSA typically runs for 22
>> weeks out of the year. The regular share will have fruit, veggies,
>> herbs, root veggies and potatoes. We have a regular variety share and an
>> additional fruit share.
>>
>> It's sort of like Christmas each week when we pick up what we're getting
>> for the week. Always a surprise or three in there.Then it's sort of like
>> "Iron Chef NorCal" in deciding what to do with what we got that week.
>>
>> --Lin
>
> That's a good way to describe it. This weekend, we had turnip hash
> browns, which were surprisingly good since my previous experience with
> turnips was less than edible. Last night a dishe of pattypan, swiss
> chard, and fresh garlic, with roasted purple potatoes and seasoned
> haddock. Now all that's left is the mustard greens which I've been
> using for salad, and tomorrow we pick up the new share. I hear rumors
> there will be beans, beans, and more beans. The corn, tomatoes and
> peppers are thriving, the pumpkins are setting fruit, and all is right
> with the (farm)world.
>
> IronChef RI

I am always interested in hearing about CSA deliveries.
Unfortunately, as much as I like the idea, I would be really bad
at cooking random unpredictable things. The best I can do is to
frequent ever-smaller farmstands (as vs the ever-larger ones).

--
Jean B.

Jean B. said...

> BD wrote:
>> A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a
>> new way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
>> hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>>
>>
> I bet. I have a place where I can buy chicken. And pork,
> although that seems to run out.


My last butcher went out of business about five years ago. [sigh]

At least Pennsylvania and New Jersey have a good produce farming industry!

NODs to the Jersey "Fresh" tomatoes!!! Next month. :9

T-Minus 4 days to my local farm's sugar corn pick yer own!

Andy
Out standing (laying down on the dirt, actually) in my field!

"bob in nz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:30:01 GMT, "BD" > shouted
> from the highest rooftop:
>
>>A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a
>>new
>>way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
>>hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>
> For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?
>
>
It's just another myth methodology like free range, organic, and farmer's
market, devised to separate the dunces from their hard earned dollars... CSA
is like using holistic medicine to treat cancer... CSA is a belief system
for morons.

Many of the people in my neighborhood participated in a CSA, this was
around 1990. One of my neighbors sent her son over with an acorn squash
and a note asking what it was. I sent him home with a recipe; after
trying acorn squash she and her family loved it. Now, everybody has
intergoogle and you can find recipes everywhere. CSA's expand the
horizons for people who are determined to cook whatever is in that
bushel basket.


Becca

On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 21:50:13 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:30:01 GMT, BD wrote:
>
>> A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
>> way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
>> hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>
> Why would I spend $8 on a movie that tries to convince me I need to
> pay 3x more for food?
>
> I'll stick with eating my shit-tainted beef and my tortured chickens
> and pigs.
>
> -sw

i feel bad about the pigs because they're supposed to be pretty smart, but
i can't get it up to feel sorry for chickens.

your pal,
blake

Lin wrote:

> Since I don't know "who" the poultry producers for our CSA are, I'd go
> with Lamb Guy's product first.

The CSA poultry producer is Bryan Kazinsky (whose surname I probably
misspelled horribly); the chickens are being raised on the farm at the
corner of Fruitvale Road and Gold Hill Road.

Bob

Lin wrote:

> New box tomorrow! Probably more basil in there ....

We did indeed get basil. We also got some very nice cucumbers, a bag of
exceptionally fragrant garlic, a bunch of carrots (they seem to have the
knack of carrots; the carrots we're getting this year are much heftier than
in years past), some purple potatoes, a pint of grape tomatoes, an
assortment of summer squash, a honeydew, a pound of plums, and a cantaloupe.

Bob

Sheldon blathered:

>> For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?
>>
> It's just another myth methodology like free range, organic, and farmer's
> market, devised to separate the dunces from their hard earned dollars...
> CSA is like using holistic medicine to treat cancer... CSA is a belief
> system for morons.


Careful, your envy is showing.

Bob

"brooklyn1" > wrote in
:

> It's just another myth methodology like free range, organic, and
> farmer's market, devised to separate the dunces from their hard
> earned dollars... CSA is like using holistic medicine to treat
> cancer... CSA is a belief system for morons.

just have to show off your stupidity, don't you Shelly? you have no
idea what a CSA is, so you have to tear it down. pitiful.
lee

sf wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:59:31 -0700, Lin
> wrote:
>
>
> >New box tomorrow! Probably more basil in there ....
>
>
> drool!
>
Reminds me its about time for a friend of mine to bring down from his
mountain a half dozen bushels of wild basil for me to turn into pesto.

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Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
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On Jul 20, 11:42*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:00:04 -0700, Lin >
> wrote:
>
> >BD wrote:
>
> >> A good documentary about the food industry in the US. *I have to find a new
> >> way to purchase chicken. *I already buy beef from a farmer by the
> >> hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>
> >Our CSA has just gotten into poultry. However, the pricing we've seen is
> >around $4/lb. Our 'Lamb Guy' is also getting into the whole organic,
> >free-range, blah-blah-blah chicken business, probably on a much smaller
> >scale. Since I don't know "who" the poultry producers for our CSA are,
> >I'd go with Lamb Guy's product first. But yeah, the CSA's are getting in
> >on the action.
>
> Did you see the article in the SF Chronicle a couple of years ago
> about one of the milk producers in Marin county that produces free
> range eggs too? *Apparently he has mobile hen houses that he moves
> around his pastures on a regular basis. *Whatta concept. * *I love
> the idea!

It's called a Chicken Tractor. Old concept in the permaculture
field, I think Bill Mollison may have invented the name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Mollison .

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

On Jul 20, 11:03*pm, bob in nz > wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:30:01 GMT, "BD" > shouted
> from the highest rooftop:
>
> >A good documentary about the food industry in the US. *I have to find a new
> >way to purchase chicken. *I already buy beef from a farmer by the
> >hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>
> For those of us not in the USA: what is the CSA?

Well the first thing that stikes my mind is Canadian Standards
Association but I'm not in the USA either.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

"BD" > wrote in message
...
>A good documentary about the food industry in the US. I have to find a new
>way to purchase chicken. I already buy beef from a farmer by the
>hindquarter, and produce from the CSA.
>
I have not seen this documentary, and am not sure if I will. They take the
very worst of the industry and exploit those images. I grew up on a farm,
and my father was a cattle feeder. We certainly did not mistreat a valuable
animal. We also raised hogs for slaughter. Again, never mistreated and
raised humanely. We raised chickens for our own family consumption. They
were allowed range in the fenced in pen, and had protected roosting at
night. They ate only organic foods. They did taste very good, but we let
them get a little bigger than the current grocery store chicken.

The problem is that we as a society demand cheap meat, and that has lead to
factory type settings for raising the animals. Yet, we do love a bargain at
the meat counter.

Later,

DP

On Jul 21, 9:56*pm, "Dale P" > wrote:
[snip Dale's smaller farmer experiences growing up]
> The problem is that we as a society demand cheap meat, and that has lead to
> factory type settings for raising the animals. *Yet, we do love a bargain at
> the meat counter.

I know several farmers and ranchers and they understand very clearly
they are a business and have responsibilities to their backers. But
they also prove every season there is a point where none will go
beyond.

The Ranger