I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on 450
then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as well.
It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.

Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this? Or
is it time to scrap the oven?

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:48:18 -0400, Kswck wrote:

> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on 450
> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as well.
> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>
> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this? Or
> is it time to scrap the oven?

Gas or electric?

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:52:02 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:48:18 -0400, Kswck wrote:
>
>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on 450
>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as well.
>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>>
>> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this? Or
>> is it time to scrap the oven?
>
> Gas or electric?

Subjects are way over-rated (especially in this group).

-sw

Kswck wrote:
> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on 450
> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as well.
> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>
> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this? Or
> is it time to scrap the oven?
>
It's taking much longer to heat up to 350F than it should. They
generally take a good bit of time to cool down, particularly if the door
is left closed. Ovens, even those ten or more years old are pretty well
insulated. I would check the gas feed to the stove to ensure you have
full flow and that the piping is the correct size. Size and flow would
depend upon the maker I suppose. I would suggest you call a service tech
in, a ten-year old stove should perform better than it is.

I have never timed how long it takes my gas stove to heat up to 350 but
I'm pretty sure it isn't 45-60 minutes.

Kswck wrote:
>
> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on 450
> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as well.
> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.

What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
at the same rate it always has.

I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
dementia.

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:48:18 -0400, Kswck wrote:
>
>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
>> 450
>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>> well.
>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>>
>> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this?
>> Or
>> is it time to scrap the oven?
>
> Gas or electric?
>

Oops, sorry. Gas

"George Shirley" > wrote in message
...
> Kswck wrote:
>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
>> 450 then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>> well. It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
>> lately.
>>
>> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this?
>> Or is it time to scrap the oven?
>>
> It's taking much longer to heat up to 350F than it should. They generally
> take a good bit of time to cool down, particularly if the door is left
> closed. Ovens, even those ten or more years old are pretty well insulated.
> I would check the gas feed to the stove to ensure you have full flow and
> that the piping is the correct size. Size and flow would depend upon the
> maker I suppose. I would suggest you call a service tech in, a ten-year
> old stove should perform better than it is.
>
> I have never timed how long it takes my gas stove to heat up to 350 but
> I'm pretty sure it isn't 45-60 minutes.

Thanks

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Kswck wrote:
>>
>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
>> 450
>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>> well.
>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>
> What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
> more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
> at the same rate it always has.
>
> I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
> changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
> dementia.

Mark. Read the whole post.
You are an idiot. Try getting out more.

On Jul 22, 5:58*pm, George Shirley > wrote:
> Kswck wrote:
> > I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> > Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on 450
> > then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as well.
> > It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>
> > Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this? Or
> > is it time to scrap the oven?
>
> It's taking much longer to heat up to 350F than it should. They
> generally take a good bit of time to cool down, particularly if the door
> is left closed. Ovens, even those ten or more years old are pretty well
> insulated. I would check the gas feed to the stove to ensure you have
> full flow and that the piping is the correct size. Size and flow would
> depend upon the maker I suppose. I would suggest you call a service tech
> in, a ten-year old stove should perform better than it is.
>
> I have never timed how long it takes my gas stove to heat up to 350 but
> I'm pretty sure it isn't 45-60 minutes.

If it is longer than 15 minutes, something is not right. My gas stove
was here when we bought the house (10 years ago), and while it is not
super old (it has electric ignition), it was obviously nowhere near
new. We've never had that problem, not with any gas stove. I wish
that it had one high BTU burner, but it doesn't.

Just curious, how many folks keep a fire extinguisher right next to
their range? I do. I've never had to use it.

--Bryan

On Jul 22, 7:04*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Kswck wrote:
>
> > "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > Kswck wrote:
>
> > >> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> > >> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
> > >> 450
> > >> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
> > >> well.
> > >> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>
> > > What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
> > > more slowly? *If the flame is out, it should cool down
> > > at the same rate it always has.
>
> > > I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
> > > changed. *It could be an early sign of some form of
> > > dementia.
>
> > Mark. Read the whole post.
> > You are an idiot. Try getting out more.
>
> You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
> which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
> failing to extinguish. *I'm perfectly prepared
> to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
> understand this. *Perhaps you simply lack a basic
> understanding of science. *I don't call you
> an idiot for having these knowledge deficits.
> You might simply be uneducated or something.
>
> However, I will say you are very ill-mannered.
> Being ignorant and uneducated might not have
> been your choice, but being impolite is your
> choice. *You choose to be ill-mannered.

It is also a choice to be sloppy about spelling in the subject header
and grammar/spelling in the text.

--Bryan

Kswck wrote:
>
> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kswck wrote:
> >>
> >> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> >> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
> >> 450
> >> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
> >> well.
> >> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
> >
> > What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
> > more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
> > at the same rate it always has.
> >
> > I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
> > changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
> > dementia.
>
> Mark. Read the whole post.
> You are an idiot. Try getting out more.

You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
failing to extinguish. I'm perfectly prepared
to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
understand this. Perhaps you simply lack a basic
understanding of science. I don't call you
an idiot for having these knowledge deficits.
You might simply be uneducated or something.

However, I will say you are very ill-mannered.
Being ignorant and uneducated might not have
been your choice, but being impolite is your
choice. You choose to be ill-mannered.

"Kswck" > wrote in message
...
>I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
> 450 then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
> well. It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
> lately.
>
> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this?
> Or is it time to scrap the oven?
>
>

Try www.repairclinic.com first. I don't know your skills so I don't know
if you can do it yourself. Sounds like a thermostat or gas valve problem
though.

If you always has issues, consider treating yourself to a new range. I love
the convection oven on our Bertazzoni gas range.

Your spell checker is broken too.

"Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
...

>
> Just curious, how many folks keep a fire extinguisher right next to
> their range? I do. I've never had to use it.
>
> --Bryan

Fire extinguisher in the kitchen, good thing. "Right next to the range",
not so good. At the doorway to the kitchen is the safest. Not the
"prettiest", but the safest." Next to the cook top, if it is in flames, you
run the risk of setting yourself on fire trying to get to the extinguisher.
Yes Bryan, I am a firefighter. Seriously.

"Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
...
> Kswck wrote:
>>
>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Kswck wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>> >> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it
>> >> on
>> >> 450
>> >> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>> >> well.
>> >> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
>> >> lately.
>> >
>> > What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
>> > more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
>> > at the same rate it always has.
>> >
>> > I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
>> > changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
>> > dementia.
>>
>> Mark. Read the whole post.
>> You are an idiot. Try getting out more.
>
> You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
> which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
> failing to extinguish. I'm perfectly prepared
> to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
> understand this. Perhaps you simply lack a basic
> understanding of science. I don't call you
> an idiot for having these knowledge deficits.
> You might simply be uneducated or something.
>
> However, I will say you are very ill-mannered.
> Being ignorant and uneducated might not have
> been your choice, but being impolite is your
> choice. You choose to be ill-mannered.

The question is why it takes so long to heat up. Read the post again.

Kswck wrote:
>
> The question is why it takes so long to heat up. Read the post again.

The questions in your original post we

"Is this a problem that would require a service call?", "Can a tech fix
this?" and "Or
is it time to scrap the oven?".

The statement in your post which you seen to be referring to as if it
were a question was:

"It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
lately."

Noting that you specified "heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately"
you are indicating that both the heating and cooling cycles seem longer
to you lately.

Perhaps english isn't your first language, or perhaps the comment on
your perception of time changing is accurate.

On Jul 22, 11:03*pm, "Paco" > wrote:
> "Bobo Bonobo®" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > Just curious, how many folks keep a fire extinguisher right next to
> > their range? *I do. *I've never had to use it.
>
> > --Bryan
>
> Fire extinguisher in the kitchen, good thing. *"Right next to the range",
> not so good. *At the doorway to the kitchen is the safest. *Not the
> "prettiest", but the safest." *Next to the cook top, if it is in flames, you
> run the risk of setting yourself on fire trying to get to the extinguisher.

"Pete C." > wrote in message
ster.com...
>
> Kswck wrote:
>>
>> The question is why it takes so long to heat up. Read the post again.
>
> The questions in your original post we
>
> "Is this a problem that would require a service call?", "Can a tech fix
> this?" and "Or
> is it time to scrap the oven?".
>
> The statement in your post which you seen to be referring to as if it
> were a question was:
>
> "It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
> lately."
>
> Noting that you specified "heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately"
> you are indicating that both the heating and cooling cycles seem longer
> to you lately.
>
> Perhaps english isn't your first language, or perhaps the comment on
> your perception of time changing is accurate.

It doesn't make any sense to try and speed up the cool down rate. I thought
you would have the sense to read the sentence as the problem heating up.
Guess not.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:05 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Kswck wrote:
>>
>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Kswck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>>>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
>>>> 450
>>>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>>>> well.
>>>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>>>
>>> What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
>>> more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
>>> at the same rate it always has.
>>>
>>> I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
>>> changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
>>> dementia.
>>
>> Mark. Read the whole post.
>> You are an idiot. Try getting out more.
>
> You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
> which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
> failing to extinguish. I'm perfectly prepared
> to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
> understand this. Perhaps you simply lack a basic
> understanding of science. I don't call you
> an idiot for having these knowledge deficits.
> You might simply be uneducated or something.
>
> However, I will say you are very ill-mannered.
> Being ignorant and uneducated might not have
> been your choice, but being impolite is your
> choice. You choose to be ill-mannered.

you say may be suffering from dementia and *she's* ill-mannered because she
called you an idiot?

blake

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:24:34 -0400, Kswck wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:48:18 -0400, Kswck wrote:
>>
>>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
>>> 450
>>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>>> well.
>>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>>>
>>> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this?
>>> Or
>>> is it time to scrap the oven?
>>
>> Gas or electric?
>>
>
> Oops, sorry. Gas

You did say that, but it was in the subject.

I would suggest cleaning the gas output jets with a wire brush. You
probably have mineral deposits around the holes that let out the
gas/flame.

And as someone else mentioned, make sure you have adequate gas
pressure. usually the gas company will do this for free. While he
(or she) is there then pump him for info about the stove.

-sw

Kswck wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ster.com...
> >
> > Kswck wrote:
> >>
> >> The question is why it takes so long to heat up. Read the post again.
> >
> > The questions in your original post we
> >
> > "Is this a problem that would require a service call?", "Can a tech fix
> > this?" and "Or
> > is it time to scrap the oven?".
> >
> > The statement in your post which you seen to be referring to as if it
> > were a question was:
> >
> > "It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
> > lately."
> >
> > Noting that you specified "heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately"
> > you are indicating that both the heating and cooling cycles seem longer
> > to you lately.
> >
> > Perhaps english isn't your first language, or perhaps the comment on
> > your perception of time changing is accurate.
>
> It doesn't make any sense to try and speed up the cool down rate. I thought
> you would have the sense to read the sentence as the problem heating up.
> Guess not.

I had the sense to expect you to compose a proper question in proper
english. You poorly composed a statement, not a question, and then try
to berate those who read it as you composed it, not as you apparently
intended it. The problem is on your end, not ours.

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:05 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
> > Kswck wrote:
> >>
> >> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> Kswck wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> >>>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
> >>>> 450
> >>>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
> >>>> well.
> >>>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
> >>>
> >>> What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
> >>> more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
> >>> at the same rate it always has.
> >>>
> >>> I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
> >>> changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
> >>> dementia.
> >>
> >> Mark. Read the whole post.
> >> You are an idiot. Try getting out more.
> >
> > You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
> > which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
> > failing to extinguish. I'm perfectly prepared
> > to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
> > understand this. Perhaps you simply lack a basic
> > understanding of science. I don't call you
> > an idiot for having these knowledge deficits.
> > You might simply be uneducated or something.
> >
> > However, I will say you are very ill-mannered.
> > Being ignorant and uneducated might not have
> > been your choice, but being impolite is your
> > choice. You choose to be ill-mannered.
>
> you say may be suffering from dementia and *she's* ill-mannered because she
> called you an idiot?
>
> blake

The OP posted a poorly composed statement:

"It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
lately."

They apparently expect us readers to disregard the reference to both the
"heat up/cool down" and also to interpret that statement as a question.

When the OP posts a coherent question in proper english, then perhaps
they will receive the responses they seem to be expecting.

Kswck wrote:
>
> "Pete C." > wrote in message
> ster.com...
> >
> > Kswck wrote:
> >>
> >> The question is why it takes so long to heat up. Read the post again.
> >
> > The questions in your original post we
> >
> > "Is this a problem that would require a service call?", "Can a tech fix
> > this?" and "Or
> > is it time to scrap the oven?".
> >
> > The statement in your post which you seen to be referring to as if it
> > were a question was:
> >
> > "It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
> > lately."
> >
> > Noting that you specified "heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately"
> > you are indicating that both the heating and cooling cycles seem longer
> > to you lately.
> >
> > Perhaps english isn't your first language, or perhaps the comment on
> > your perception of time changing is accurate.
>
> It doesn't make any sense to try and speed up the cool down rate. I thought
> you would have the sense to read the sentence as the problem heating up.
> Guess not.

For your benefit, here is the question you are apparently trying to ask,
composed properly in english:

"My gas oven has always been slow to heat and lately is seems even
slower, is this something that would require a service call or is it
time for a new oven?"

"Sqwertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:24:34 -0400, Kswck wrote:
>
>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 18:48:18 -0400, Kswck wrote:
>>>
>>>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>>>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it
>>>> on
>>>> 450
>>>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>>>> well.
>>>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix
>>>> this?
>>>> Or
>>>> is it time to scrap the oven?
>>>
>>> Gas or electric?
>>>
>>
>> Oops, sorry. Gas
>
> You did say that, but it was in the subject.
>
> I would suggest cleaning the gas output jets with a wire brush. You
> probably have mineral deposits around the holes that let out the
> gas/flame.
>
> And as someone else mentioned, make sure you have adequate gas
> pressure. usually the gas company will do this for free. While he
> (or she) is there then pump him for info about the stove.
>
> -sw

Thank you

Kswck wrote:
>
> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
> 450 then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
> well. It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
> lately.

A well insulated stove should take a long time to cool.

> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this?
> Or is it time to scrap the oven?
>
>
What kind of gas, natural or propane? If your top burners are operating
correctly then they have the proper orifices and it's only your oven that's
taking a long while to heat you may need the oven's regulator properly
set... there should be a couple of little plastic gizmos included with the
stove, one for natural gas and one for propane. Call your gas company, if
propane they will check it out for free... with natural gas each utility
will respond differently but if you call and say you smell gas they will
send a tech immediately, then while checking for leaks you can mention about
the slow oven heating and suggest that perhaps that's causing the odor, they
will probably check it out and make the adjustment for free, takes like five
minutes if you have the part. Look for a brown envelope taped to your
stove, in the utility drawer or behind the stove... it will typically
contain the orifices amd plastic part for the regulator with directions, and
a wiring diagram. If you're handy you can probably make the change
yourself, but turn off the gas main and unplug the electric too. Also check
your owner's manual, it may mention about the regulator setting... and there
will be info at the Tappen web site, in fact you can phone their customer
service number, describe your problem, and they will help you.

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:58:01 -0500, George Shirley
> wrote:

>Kswck wrote:
>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on 450
>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as well.
>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>>
>> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this? Or
>> is it time to scrap the oven?
>>
>It's taking much longer to heat up to 350F than it should. They
>generally take a good bit of time to cool down, particularly if the door
>is left closed. Ovens, even those ten or more years old are pretty well
>insulated. I would check the gas feed to the stove to ensure you have
>full flow and that the piping is the correct size. Size and flow would
>depend upon the maker I suppose. I would suggest you call a service tech
>in, a ten-year old stove should perform better than it is.
>
>I have never timed how long it takes my gas stove to heat up to 350 but
>I'm pretty sure it isn't 45-60 minutes.

No argument here, George. My Jenn-Aire gas oven will get to 450 in
about 25 minutes, IIRC. Sounds like there's some blockage in the
gas flow, or maybe grease-clogged burners.....

Alex

On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:50:23 -0700 (PDT), Bobo Bonobo®
> wrote:

>On Jul 22, 5:58*pm, George Shirley > wrote:
>> Kswck wrote:

>Just curious, how many folks keep a fire extinguisher right next to
>their range? I do. I've never had to use it.

Guilty as charged. I spent too many tours in the USAF pulling Safety
Officer as an addt'l duty, so it's ingrained in me now. BUT! I don't
keep the FE where a flareup would keep me from getting to it. AND
rotate those things every couple of years if they're the dry powder
type. Also, keep a big box of bicarb nearby, for putting out grease
fires. Cheap insurance.

Alex

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:33:55 -0400, "Kswck" >
wrote:

>
>"Pete C." > wrote in message
nster.com...
>>

>It doesn't make any sense to try and speed up the cool down rate. I thought
>you would have the sense to read the sentence as the problem heating up.
>Guess not.

You can run, but you can't hide. Words have meaning. You used words.
Ergo, you included meaning. QED.

You posted an ambiguity which was taken at face value - just as in
criminal law, which is to be enforced and *interpreted* AS WRITTEN,
without second guessing what the Leg. intended. You posted, responders
are taking you at your word.

What your problem? Call the damn service tech and pay him to tell
you what to do. If you can't phrase the question properly, why bitch
about the confused responses?

Cheers,

Alex, who hopes you enjoy your new oven. But RTFM, do.

BTW: Are you a liberal arts major? Critical thinking and all that....

"Chemiker" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:33:55 -0400, "Kswck" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Pete C." > wrote in message
onster.com...
>>>
>
>>It doesn't make any sense to try and speed up the cool down rate. I
>>thought
>>you would have the sense to read the sentence as the problem heating up.
>>Guess not.
>
> You can run, but you can't hide. Words have meaning. You used words.
> Ergo, you included meaning. QED.
>
> You posted an ambiguity which was taken at face value - just as in
> criminal law, which is to be enforced and *interpreted* AS WRITTEN,
> without second guessing what the Leg. intended. You posted, responders
> are taking you at your word.
>
> What your problem? Call the damn service tech and pay him to tell
> you what to do. If you can't phrase the question properly, why bitch
> about the confused responses?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alex, who hopes you enjoy your new oven. But RTFM, do.
>
> BTW: Are you a liberal arts major? Critical thinking and all that....

Try getting out more dude. Better yet, get a life

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...
> Kswck wrote:
>>
>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
>> 450 then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>> well. It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
>> lately.
>
> A well insulated stove should take a long time to cool.
>
>> Is this a problem that would require a service call? Can a tech fix this?
>> Or is it time to scrap the oven?
>>
>>
> What kind of gas, natural or propane? If your top burners are operating
> correctly then they have the proper orifices and it's only your oven
> that's taking a long while to heat you may need the oven's regulator
> properly set... there should be a couple of little plastic gizmos included
> with the stove, one for natural gas and one for propane. Call your gas
> company, if propane they will check it out for free... with natural gas
> each utility will respond differently but if you call and say you smell
> gas they will send a tech immediately, then while checking for leaks you
> can mention about the slow oven heating and suggest that perhaps that's
> causing the odor, they will probably check it out and make the adjustment
> for free, takes like five minutes if you have the part. Look for a brown
> envelope taped to your stove, in the utility drawer or behind the stove...
> it will typically contain the orifices amd plastic part for the regulator
> with directions, and a wiring diagram. If you're handy you can probably
> make the change yourself, but turn off the gas main and unplug the
> electric too. Also check your owner's manual, it may mention about the
> regulator setting... and there will be info at the Tappen web site, in
> fact you can phone their customer service number, describe your problem,
> and they will help you.
>
>
>
Thanks Sheldon. At least I got a coherent response from you.
Tis a natural gas hookup.

Mark Thorson > wrote:

>You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
>which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
>failing to extinguish. I'm perfectly prepared
>to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
>understand this. Perhaps you simply lack a basic
>understanding of science.

It seems to me if you have an insulated oven, and
the heat source is within the insulated part of
the enclosure, it will heat up faster than it
cools down, even if the flame extinguishes.

It also seems to me this is probably true for
most ovens. Gas ovens I am familiar with have
no insulation between the floor of the oven
and the burner.

To the OP: an appliance repairment who specializes
in gas appliances can probably fix your problem.
(Unless it's a design deficiency of your particular
model oven, which is not impossible, given that
it's only 10 years old...)

Steve

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:57:42 -0400, "Kswck" >
wrote:

>
>"Chemiker" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:33:55 -0400, "Kswck" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Pete C." > wrote in message
monster.com...
>>>>


>Try getting out more dude. Better yet, get a life
>
Infantile.. Doooode!

Sheesh. Another brain dysfunctional.

Alex, who's probably seen more than your
brain can imagine.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:50:59 -0500, Pete C. wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:05 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> Kswck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Kswck wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
>>>>>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
>>>>>> 450
>>>>>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
>>>>>
>>>>> What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
>>>>> more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
>>>>> at the same rate it always has.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
>>>>> changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
>>>>> dementia.
>>>>
>>>> Mark. Read the whole post.
>>>> You are an idiot. Try getting out more.
>>>
>>> You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
>>> which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
>>> failing to extinguish. I'm perfectly prepared
>>> to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
>>> understand this. Perhaps you simply lack a basic
>>> understanding of science. I don't call you
>>> an idiot for having these knowledge deficits.
>>> You might simply be uneducated or something.
>>>
>>> However, I will say you are very ill-mannered.
>>> Being ignorant and uneducated might not have
>>> been your choice, but being impolite is your
>>> choice. You choose to be ill-mannered.
>>
>> you say may be suffering from dementia and *she's* ill-mannered because she
>> called you an idiot?
>>
>> blake
>
> The OP posted a poorly composed statement:
>
> "It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
> lately."
>
> They apparently expect us readers to disregard the reference to both the
> "heat up/cool down" and also to interpret that statement as a question.
>
> When the OP posts a coherent question in proper english, then perhaps
> they will receive the responses they seem to be expecting.

you totally miss the point. how is calling someone an idiot more mannerly
than saying they may be suffering from dementia?

blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:50:59 -0500, Pete C. wrote:
>
> > blake murphy wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:04:05 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Kswck wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Mark Thorson" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> Kswck wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I own a Tappan-about 10 years or so.
> >>>>>> Takes 45-60 minutes to heat up to 350deg. For some reason, setting it on
> >>>>>> 450
> >>>>>> then turning it down to 350 is faster. Takes forever to coll down as
> >>>>>> well.
> >>>>>> It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer lately.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What kind of failure could cause a stove to cool down
> >>>>> more slowly? If the flame is out, it should cool down
> >>>>> at the same rate it always has.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd be more inclined to think your sense of time has
> >>>>> changed. It could be an early sign of some form of
> >>>>> dementia.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark. Read the whole post.
> >>>> You are an idiot. Try getting out more.
> >>>
> >>> You did say that it is taking longer to cool down,
> >>> which makes absolutely no sense unless the flame is
> >>> failing to extinguish. I'm perfectly prepared
> >>> to believe that you are so ignorant that you don't
> >>> understand this. Perhaps you simply lack a basic
> >>> understanding of science. I don't call you
> >>> an idiot for having these knowledge deficits.
> >>> You might simply be uneducated or something.
> >>>
> >>> However, I will say you are very ill-mannered.
> >>> Being ignorant and uneducated might not have
> >>> been your choice, but being impolite is your
> >>> choice. You choose to be ill-mannered.
> >>
> >> you say may be suffering from dementia and *she's* ill-mannered because she
> >> called you an idiot?
> >>
> >> blake
> >
> > The OP posted a poorly composed statement:
> >
> > "It has always taken long to heat up/cool down, but seems longer
> > lately."
> >
> > They apparently expect us readers to disregard the reference to both the
> > "heat up/cool down" and also to interpret that statement as a question.
> >
> > When the OP posts a coherent question in proper english, then perhaps
> > they will receive the responses they seem to be expecting.
>
> you totally miss the point. how is calling someone an idiot more mannerly
> than saying they may be suffering from dementia?

Because it is not a gratuitous insult at all.
Having a distorted time sense could be an
early symptom of dementia.

I've noticed over the last five years or so
I've sometimes substituted "c" for "s", like
recently when I spelled Lidia's last name as
Bastinish. I know perfectly well how to spell
her name, and I do find it a bit alarming that
this new spelling error has crept into my
writing, precisely because it could be an early
sign of dementia. It's not an insult to say
that. It's a simple statement of fact.

When helpful facts are mentioned, it's the height
of bad manners to respond with insults.