On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:18:32 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>Either material can be
>converted to energy in a trash plant though.
>
>Rather than change materials, we have to educate slobs that dump trash.

I think the slobs who dump trash are caught in a Catch 22. They'd
like to recycle styrofoam and styrene, but their trash company doesn't
burn (due to NIMBYism) and doesn't recycle it either. So, off to the
landfill it goes.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:18:32 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>Either material can be
>>converted to energy in a trash plant though.
>>
>>Rather than change materials, we have to educate slobs that dump trash.
>
> I think the slobs who dump trash are caught in a Catch 22. They'd
> like to recycle styrofoam and styrene, but their trash company doesn't
> burn (due to NIMBYism) and doesn't recycle it either. So, off to the
> landfill it goes.
>

That's a shame as it is one of the easiest materials to recycle or one of
hte best to burn for the energy content. In a landfill, it is inert and
will not add pollutants.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:18:32 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>Either material can be
>>converted to energy in a trash plant though.
>>
>>Rather than change materials, we have to educate slobs that dump trash.
>
> I think the slobs who dump trash are caught in a Catch 22. They'd
> like to recycle styrofoam and styrene, but their trash company doesn't
> burn (due to NIMBYism) and doesn't recycle it either. So, off to the
> landfill it goes.
>
>
It's probably not good for the packaging industry but what we need is to
educate people to use reusable packaging. There's really no reason society
can't return to reusable beverage bottles.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
> It's probably not good for the packaging industry but what we need is to
> educate people to use reusable packaging. There's really no reason
> society can't return to reusable beverage bottles.
>

I buy my soda right at the factory store
http://www.hosmersoda.com/sec/environment/index.php
Excellent quality.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote:
>
> "brooklyn1" > wrote in message
>> It's probably not good for the packaging industry but what we need is to
>> educate people to use reusable packaging. There's really no reason
>> society can't return to reusable beverage bottles.
>>
>
> I buy my soda right at the factory store
> http://www.hosmersoda.com/sec/environment/index.php
> Excellent quality.
>
A good return to the past. I hope buying their products at their factory
store costs a lot less.

On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:38:22 -0700, sf > fired up
random neurons and synapses to opine:

>and you didn't whip out your PDA? What restraint!

You'll get a ticket in California for using your PDA while driving -
in my case, using my iPhone, that is, although I've seen a cop on his
cell phone while he was driving.

In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
Crime To Be Poor?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/op..._r=1&th&emc=th

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

On Aug 9, 7:24*pm, Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:38:22 -0700, sf > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >and you didn't whip out your PDA? *What restraint! *
>
> You'll get a ticket in California for using your PDA while driving -
> in my case, using my iPhone, that is, although I've seen a cop on his
> cell phone while he was driving.
>
> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
> in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
> article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
> Crime To Be Poor?"
>
We have single stream recycling. The negotiated price is partly based
of the value of the aluminum in the mix. If folks cherry pick the
recycling bins for aluminum, it amounts to petty theft. I sometimes
go through recylers in our old neighborhood looking to procure extra
Del Taco coupons (I take the Hardee's and BK ones too), but that's
legit enough. I worry about the police being called, thinking that I
might be rummaging for material to commit ID theft. I worry only that
they will tell me to cut it out, thus depriving me of those extra
coupons, and figure that the only reason anyone would alert the police
is because of the fear of ID theft.

Aluminum offsets the cost to the govt for collection of recyclables in
single stream.

I'm politically progressive, and consistently support increasing my
own taxes for better services to "the least among us." Aluminum is
valuable, mostly because the energy required to procure metallic AL
from bauxite is huge. Cherry pickers could endanger the entire
recycing paradigm. Shame on anyone who throws an aluminum can into
the garbage. SHAME.
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>

--Bryan

On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>Crime To Be Poor?"

It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
company not with them.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > wrote:
>
>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>
> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
> company not with them.
>
I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>
>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>> company not with them.
>>
> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?

it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some other
person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing their ****ing
trash.*

way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message

>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>> company not with them.
>>>
>> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>
> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some other
> person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing their ****ing
> trash.*
>
> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>
> your pal,
> blake

Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they recycle
they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying more for the
service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the trash pickup service
might be affected by someone picking through for the choice bits....

Personally for me right now, I'm paying a couple of dollars more a month
to have them pick up my recyclers along with my trash. There were a few
companies I could have gone with that didn't offer this but it is
important enough for me that I will pay for the service.

Goomba wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:

>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>> their ****ing trash.*

I would be annoyed if they were dumping out my trash to look for
recyclables, as someone said happens.

> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they recycle
> they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying more for the
> service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the trash pickup
> service might be affected by someone picking through for the choice
> bits....
>
> Personally for me right now, I'm paying a couple of dollars more a
> month to have them pick up my recyclers along with my trash. There
> were a few companies I could have gone with that didn't offer this
> but it is important enough for me that I will pay for the service.

My town picks up recycling once a month, or there are a couple of
places where you can drop it off. You don't get a choice, recycling
is the law. It wouldn't make much sense to burn all that gas if everyone
had to make trips to the recycle center.

nancy

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>
>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>> company not with them.
>>
>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>
I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
recycling they steal.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>
>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>> company not with them.
>>>
>>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>
> I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
> slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
> recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
> recycling they steal.
>
I see. I missed that up thread. You must really need the money if you
begrudge needy people your trash. Ugh.

On Aug 9, 8:24*pm, Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:38:22 -0700, sf > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >and you didn't whip out your PDA? *What restraint! *
>
> You'll get a ticket in California for using your PDA while driving -
> in my case, using my iPhone, that is, although I've seen a cop on his
> cell phone while he was driving.
>
> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
> in recycling bins set out for collection,

The local reason for not allowing people to rummage in the recycling
bins is that the state makes money from the recyclables, so if it's in
an official state bin, (or city, or town or whatever) it is gumment
property and if you take it, you are a thief!

You're also a criminal if you take a deposit bottle from your recycle-
only state and return it for the nickel in the next state over.

I have never seen them enforcing that law for the trash part of the
trash. People come by and take lawn mowers, tvs, couches, and whole
house furnishings in college neighborhoods in May....

On Aug 10, 12:15*am, "cybercat" > wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
>
> ... > On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > > wrote:
>
> >>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
> >>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
> >>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
> >>Crime To Be Poor?"
>
> > It is if they are stealing. *I have a contract with the garbage
> > company not with them.
>
> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?

In our area, if you don't put out the recycle bins with stuff in them,
they won't take your trash.

maxine in ri

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:44:40 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>
>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>> company not with them.
>>>>
>>>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>
>> I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
>> slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
>> recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
>> recycling they steal.
>>
>I see. I missed that up thread. You must really need the money if you
>begrudge needy people your trash. Ugh.
>
First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks, some
are grannies with a pole and two bags.

I give my recyclables to the city recycling program. It is not trash.
I could recycle it myself and keep the money, but I choose to give it
to the program that provides the bin. What can't you understand about
that?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:

>> I see. I missed that up thread. You must really need the money if you
>> begrudge needy people your trash. Ugh.
>>
> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks, some
> are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>
> I give my recyclables to the city recycling program. It is not trash.
> I could recycle it myself and keep the money, but I choose to give it
> to the program that provides the bin. What can't you understand about
> that?

Our local Volunteer Fire Dept also keeps a bin in their parking lot for
aluminum can donations. They use the proceeds to help fund their
equipment. Would cybercat think it harmless to steal the donations made
to this group???

"maxine" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 9, 8:24 pm, Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:38:22 -0700, sf > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >and you didn't whip out your PDA? What restraint!
>
> You'll get a ticket in California for using your PDA while driving -
> in my case, using my iPhone, that is, although I've seen a cop on his
> cell phone while he was driving.
>
> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
> in recycling bins set out for collection,

The local reason for not allowing people to rummage in the recycling
bins is that the state makes money from the recyclables, so if it's in
an official state bin, (or city, or town or whatever) it is gumment
property and if you take it, you are a thief!

You're also a criminal if you take a deposit bottle from your recycle-
only state and return it for the nickel in the next state over.

Can't do that, the bar code scanner in the machines will reject out of state
containers... they also reject brands they don't sell.

Goomba wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:

>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some other
>> person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing their ****ing
>> trash.*
>>
>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they recycle
> they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying more for the
> service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the trash pickup service
> might be affected by someone picking through for the choice bits....

I'm with blake on this one. If it's going to cost me two bucks a month
or something to make sure that my homeless neighbors get anything they
need from my trash, sign me up.

Serene
--
42 Magazine, celebrating life with meaning. Inaugural issue is here!
http://42magazine.com

"But here's a handy hint: if your fabulous theory for ending war and
all other human conflict will not survive an online argument with
humourless feminists who are not afraid to throw rape around as an
example, your theory needs work." -- Aqua, alt.polyamory

Nancy Young wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>> their ****ing trash.*
>
> I would be annoyed if they were dumping out my trash to look for
> recyclables, as someone said happens.

Never happens to me, and that would be a separate issue, I'd think.

ObFood: Heirloom tomato and mayo on wheat bread. Summery heaven.

Serene
--
42 Magazine, celebrating life with meaning. Inaugural issue is here!
http://42magazine.com

"But here's a handy hint: if your fabulous theory for ending war and
all other human conflict will not survive an online argument with
humourless feminists who are not afraid to throw rape around as an
example, your theory needs work." -- Aqua, alt.polyamory

"Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
...
> Goomba wrote:
>> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some other
>>> person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing their ****ing
>>> trash.*
>>>
>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they recycle
>> they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying more for the
>> service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the trash pickup service
>> might be affected by someone picking through for the choice bits....
>
> I'm with blake on this one. If it's going to cost me two bucks a month or
> something to make sure that my homeless neighbors get anything they need
> from my trash, sign me up.
>

Me too. Jesus, people. You're buying all this expensive food, these major
****ing appliances, and begrudging the poor your trash? Shame on you.

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>
> It wouldn't make much sense to burn all that gas if everyone
> had to make trips to the recycle center.

At work we recycle certain foam plastics. It is amazing how many people
drive over to us with a big SUV to drop off a tiny bit of plastic to
recycle. They burn 20X the amount of gas than they saved. It they toss it
in the trash, it goes to a trash to energy facility instead.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>>
>> It wouldn't make much sense to burn all that gas if everyone
>> had to make trips to the recycle center.
>
> At work we recycle certain foam plastics. It is amazing how many
> people drive over to us with a big SUV to drop off a tiny bit of
> plastic to recycle. They burn 20X the amount of gas than they saved.
> It they toss it in the trash, it goes to a trash to energy facility
> instead.

Oh my goodness, you just have to laugh. They just don't get it.

nancy

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> At work we recycle certain foam plastics. It is amazing how many people
> drive over to us with a big SUV to drop off a tiny bit of plastic to
> recycle. They burn 20X the amount of gas than they saved. It they toss it
> in the trash, it goes to a trash to energy facility instead.

So, I marry Bob and decide that I need to get with the "green" program.
We pay our CRV fees with every plastic and aluminum purchase. I sort,
clean and otherwise store all these recyclable items for a full year in
the garage. I mean, the green glass can't possibly go with the clear
glass. It all has to be color coordinated. I was also very picky about
separating the types of plastic items by size, original CRV value and
color. Load them into my SUV (filled the back and all open spaces),
drive them to our state-of-the-art waste facility (yes, there's an SUV
there with a young couple getting pennies for a few cans).

Even after all the careful sorting, I'm learning what I really needed to
do and am RE-SORTING things (with four or five employees jacking their
jaws showing me where to throw things.) Then the cashier says ...
"Here's your $24.36." Well, FTS. We pay a PREMIUM for our trash services
here. They can now sort my trash. However, I do still separate the
glass, plastic and aluminum and when the trash goes out those are in
their own bags. Interesting thing is the only time they provide us with
a recyclable "container" it's a blue plastic bag for our paper products
and junk mail -- and those I have to get from City Hall. (Or should that
be City "Haul"?)

I can guarantee you our CRV/deposit amounts were several times more than
what we got back. For $24.36, let someone else do the work. And if
there's someone around that wants the cans, I have no problem letting
them have them.

--Lin

Lin wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> At work we recycle certain foam plastics. It is amazing how many
>> people drive over to us with a big SUV to drop off a tiny bit of
>> plastic to recycle. They burn 20X the amount of gas than they saved.
>> It they toss it in the trash, it goes to a trash to energy facility
>> instead.
>
> So, I marry Bob and decide that I need to get with the "green" program.
> We pay our CRV fees with every plastic and aluminum purchase. I sort,
> clean and otherwise store all these recyclable items for a full year in
> the garage. I mean, the green glass can't possibly go with the clear
> glass. It all has to be color coordinated. I was also very picky about
> separating the types of plastic items by size, original CRV value and
> color. Load them into my SUV (filled the back and all open spaces),
> drive them to our state-of-the-art waste facility (yes, there's an SUV
> there with a young couple getting pennies for a few cans).
>
> Even after all the careful sorting, I'm learning what I really needed to
> do and am RE-SORTING things (with four or five employees jacking their
> jaws showing me where to throw things.) Then the cashier says ...
> "Here's your $24.36." Well, FTS. We pay a PREMIUM for our trash services
> here. They can now sort my trash. However, I do still separate the
> glass, plastic and aluminum and when the trash goes out those are in
> their own bags. Interesting thing is the only time they provide us with
> a recyclable "container" it's a blue plastic bag for our paper products
> and junk mail -- and those I have to get from City Hall. (Or should that
> be City "Haul"?)
>
> I can guarantee you our CRV/deposit amounts were several times more than
> what we got back. For $24.36, let someone else do the work. And if
> there's someone around that wants the cans, I have no problem letting
> them have them.
>
> --Lin

Perhaps one day the states will learn that packaging disposal becomes
the burden of the producer.

Plastic bottles alone are a problem now being addressed here in oz
as in Banned see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvzTr1VOK90



However, the Vinyl Chlorides in a lot of other packaging has us pulling
our hair out


Make the overall *true* costs flow through all levels of the
production and distribution chains including disposal . Then market
forces will start to solve the many problems given time and Government
leadership. It will cost no doubt but the simple truth is down
streaming the problems is not the intelligent approach.

Although this chap took a thinking outside the box approach (just hope
he does not live near salt exposed air )
http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/...-can-house.jpg

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:47:39 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>
>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>> company not with them.
>>>
>> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>
>it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some other
>person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing their ****ing
>trash.*
>
>way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!

Have you ever had to clean up the mess after someone has dumped your
cans over to see what's in there and take what they want? It ain't
fun.

Lou

On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:44:15 -0700, sf > fired up
random neurons and synapses to opine:

>On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>
>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>
>It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>company not with them.

What are they stealing? Something you're throwing away? Does your
garbage company reimburse you in some way for your recyclables? Not
trying to be combative here, I'm just curious as to how one can steal
something that has been discarded/abandoned.

And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
mandatory locks on recycling bins - seems to me another cost that
would be a burden on the homeowner. Not only would the container have
to be reconfigured/replaced to be tamper proof, but the garbage vendor
would have some costs to send downstream to allow their employees to
access the tamper proof bins.

OB: What is the deal with "personal watermelons"? They're just really
small, seedless, tasteless fake watermelons, AFAICS. My Uncle Mac, God
rest him, had a small truck farm of watermelons when I was growing up
and he'd laugh himself silly over these things.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

"Terry Pulliam Burd" > wrote in message
> What are they stealing? Something you're throwing away? Does your
> garbage company reimburse you in some way for your recyclables? Not
> trying to be combative here, I'm just curious as to how one can steal
> something that has been discarded/abandoned.

I've read of cases where town have taken people to court about the trash and
won. It becomes town property and can have a value. Personally, as long as
they don't make a mess, I don't care who takes anything from my trash.



>
> OB: What is the deal with "personal watermelons"? They're just really
> small, seedless, tasteless fake watermelons, AFAICS. My Uncle Mac, God
> rest him, had a small truck farm of watermelons when I was growing up
> and he'd laugh himself silly over these things.

As well he should. I've never had a seedless melon with the flavor of the
good old long ones. Hard to find these days.

"Goomba" > wrote in message
...
> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some other
>>>> person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing their ****ing
>>>> trash.*
>>>>
>>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they recycle
>>> they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying more for the
>>> service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the trash pickup service
>>> might be affected by someone picking through for the choice bits....
>>
>> I'm with blake on this one. If it's going to cost me two bucks a month
>> or something to make sure that my homeless neighbors get anything they
>> need from my trash, sign me up.
>>
>> Serene
>
> Good. Give 'em your cash if it'll keep them from picking through my trash.
> I wouldn't want them to get a paper cut.

Ever wonder why really great things just do not happen to you?

cybercat wrote:

> "Serene Vannoy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>>>
>>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they
>>> recycle they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying
>>> more for the service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the
>>> trash pickup service might be affected by someone picking through
>>> for the choice bits....
>>
>> I'm with blake on this one. If it's going to cost me two bucks a
>> month or something to make sure that my homeless neighbors get
>> anything they need from my trash, sign me up.
>>
>
> Me too. Jesus, people. You're buying all this expensive food, these
> major ****ing appliances, and begrudging the poor your trash? Shame
> on you.


Who the hell want the homeless rummaging through their trash...attracting
the homeless is not really something a normal person aspires to do..


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Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:47:39 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>
>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people
>>>>> rummaging in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an
>>>>> interesting article in the "New York Times" this morning
>>>>> entitled, "Is It Now A Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>
>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>> company not with them.
>>>>
>>> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>
>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>> their ****ing trash.*
>>
>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>
> Have you ever had to clean up the mess after someone has dumped your
> cans over to see what's in there and take what they want? It ain't
> fun.


Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the homeless
continually rummaging through trash receptacles, especially on the street.
Homeless in my 'hood are always making a big mess by going through peoples'
dumpsters, sometimes they've even started fires on the trash. Last week
this happened to a neighboring building, two firetrucks were called it. It
all amounted to nothing, but it *sure* cost us taxpayers *something*.

Last summer some psycho homeless **** took a part of a 2x4 out of a dumpster
down the street and heaved it through a neighbor's picture window. Very
nice...another 911 call at *someone's* expense...and this particular
homeless **** is *still* roaming the streets, I see...

If blake and serene and cyberkitty are so "concerned" about the homeless,
they might invite some into their homes to live with them, lol...

I'm pretty sick of the homeless continually badgering myself and others and
making pest of themselves, they are one facet of urban life that I
*heartily* detest. They are a cancer on the landscape of city life...


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Goomba wrote:

> Serene Vannoy wrote:
>> Goomba wrote:
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>>>
>>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> Actually, some people pay for their trash pick up and if they
>>> recycle they can either obtain a small price cut *or* be paying
>>> more for the service of recycle pickup. So my contract with the
>>> trash pickup service might be affected by someone picking through
>>> for the choice bits....
>>
>> I'm with blake on this one. If it's going to cost me two bucks a
>> month or something to make sure that my homeless neighbors get
>> anything they need from my trash, sign me up.
>>
>> Serene
>
> Good. Give 'em your cash if it'll keep them from picking through my
> trash. I wouldn't want them to get a paper cut.


Yup...*exactly*.

:-)


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Greg

On 2009-08-11, Gregory Morrow > wrote:

> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the homeless
> continually rummaging through trash receptacles.......

No different out in the boonies. Only here, it's bears. Woke up this
morning to discover our garbage can (with lid bungee cord secured) wuz
folded like a pretzel and garbage strewn for 30 yrds.

nb

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-08-11, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>
>> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the
>> homeless continually rummaging through trash receptacles.......
>
> No different out in the boonies. Only here, it's bears. Woke up this
> morning to discover our garbage can (with lid bungee cord secured) wuz
> folded like a pretzel and garbage strewn for 30 yrds.


Those bears are *real* crafty, and they are increasing in number IIRC...

Back in the 90's I used to spend time at a friend's house out in the boonies
in the Blue Ridge Mt. area of VA, bears were fearless and we'd watch them
come up to the yard every morning. My friends pretty soon learned to
"secure" their refuse and to *thoroughly* clean up the bbq area if they
cooked out...


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Greg

"Stu" > wrote in message >
> Technically the garbage is still on his property, so the person going
> through
> it was trespassing and stealing. As for the garbage company, they has been
> given the right under contract to enter the property and remove the
> recyclables.

Technically, maybe not. Most towns have a right of way along the street for
a few feet. If I put my trash by the curb, it is on town property, not
mine.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> "Stu" > wrote in message >
>> Technically the garbage is still on his property, so the person going
>> through
>> it was trespassing and stealing. As for the garbage company, they has been
>> given the right under contract to enter the property and remove the
>> recyclables.
>
> Technically, maybe not. Most towns have a right of way along the street for
> a few feet. If I put my trash by the curb, it is on town property, not
> mine.
>
I see that differently. I own the property right up to the street, but
the town holds the right to infringe on my property in their easement.
That doesn't mean they own it though. And that doesn't allow anyone to
use or abuse my property or rights just because the town holds the right
of easement.

Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> We had a man living under the deck when I first
> moved to St. Louis. The garage was heated and the vents came out under
> the deck area. The condo was on the ground level. I used to put plates
> of food under the deck now and then during the winter months. The
> neighbors were outraged about it but you know me. I politely told them
> to *F* off. Somehow the guy made the news. His sisters had apparently
> been looking for him for several years and were delighted to find him.
> I guess they took him home because I never saw him again. Hopefully it
> was 1 happy ending.
>
> Michael
>
You fed him plates of food under the deck like you'd do to a dog?
Why didn't you invite him *in* for a meal?

Stu wrote:

> -->I see that differently. I own the property right up to the street, but
> -->the town holds the right to infringe on my property in their easement.
> -->That doesn't mean they own it though. And that doesn't allow anyone to
> -->use or abuse my property or rights just because the town holds the right
> -->of easement.
>
> Are you sure of that? Most citys own the first 9ft. or so for sidewalk work,
> digging pipes etc.

Around here, the road allowance is usually at least 66 feet, so that is
33 feet either way from the centre of the road.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:55:23 -0400, Dave Smith >
wrote:

-->Stu wrote:
-->
-->> -->I see that differently. I own the property right up to the street, but
-->> -->the town holds the right to infringe on my property in their easement.
-->> -->That doesn't mean they own it though. And that doesn't allow anyone to
-->> -->use or abuse my property or rights just because the town holds the right
-->> -->of easement.
-->>
-->> Are you sure of that? Most citys own the first 9ft. or so for sidewalk work,
-->> digging pipes etc.
-->
-->Around here, the road allowance is usually at least 66 feet, so that is
-->33 feet either way from the centre of the road.

Center of the road is usually what 24ft.? Which would make it 9ft. as I
mentioned.