In article >,
Tracy > wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> > Goomba wrote:
> >
> >> Default User wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The
> >>> main reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce
> >>> traffic on the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying
> >>> with the county's new recycling mandate.
> >>> Brian
> >> That certainly would be a plus in my book! As it is now, I have
> >> Company A with once a week pickup. Others on my street use Company A
> >> but with twice a week pickup, and others use Company B or C with
> >> their various pick up options. So it seems for about 3 or so days a
> >> week there are cans at the curb somewhere up and down the street. I'd
> >> love it if all the companies would use the same two days a week.
> >
> > Well, we still get three. Monday, recycling and yard waste. Tuesday,
> > trash. Thursday, second trash pickup.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
> I am lucky enough to live in a town where yard waste is taken the same
> day as trash and recyclables. They will take yard waste till December
> which means leaves in the fall.....
>
>
> Tracy

Why don't you compost leaves? I rake all my leaves into my flower beds,
when I bother to rake at all...
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Omelet wrote:

> Tracy > wrote:

>> I am lucky enough to live in a town where yard waste is taken the
>> same day as trash and recyclables. They will take yard waste till
>> December which means leaves in the fall.....

> Why don't you compost leaves? I rake all my leaves into my flower
> beds, when I bother to rake at all...

I let the town do most of the composting. The amount of leaves I
rake up would be too much to handle. They have acres of property
for that. I can go pick up free compost in the spring if I want it.

nancy

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > Tracy > wrote:
>
> >> I am lucky enough to live in a town where yard waste is taken the
> >> same day as trash and recyclables. They will take yard waste till
> >> December which means leaves in the fall.....
>
> > Why don't you compost leaves? I rake all my leaves into my flower
> > beds, when I bother to rake at all...
>
> I let the town do most of the composting. The amount of leaves I
> rake up would be too much to handle. They have acres of property
> for that. I can go pick up free compost in the spring if I want it.
>
> nancy

Hm, okay. Now I'm jealous. ;-)
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Omelet wrote:

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> I let the town do most of the composting. The amount of leaves I
>> rake up would be too much to handle. They have acres of property
>> for that. I can go pick up free compost in the spring if I want it.

> Hm, okay. Now I'm jealous. ;-)

(laugh) It would be better if I had a truck to pick it up. They have
mulch, too. Anyway, I fill up a compost bin with leaves and the
rest I have to drag to the curb. It's really a lot of leaves.

nancy

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> >> I let the town do most of the composting. The amount of leaves I
> >> rake up would be too much to handle. They have acres of property
> >> for that. I can go pick up free compost in the spring if I want it.
>
> > Hm, okay. Now I'm jealous. ;-)
>
> (laugh) It would be better if I had a truck to pick it up. They have
> mulch, too. Anyway, I fill up a compost bin with leaves and the
> rest I have to drag to the curb. It's really a lot of leaves.
>
> nancy

I admit I tend to leave most of my leaves lay where they fall. I like
the way they crunch and smell when I walk on them, and they compost down
usually within 2 to 3 weeks. I will rake them in the driveway because I
want them in my flower beds to control weeds and water usage.
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On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:40:38 -0400, "cybercat" > wrote:

-->
-->"Tracy" > wrote in message
...
-->> Default User wrote:
-->>> Goomba wrote:
-->>>
-->>>> Default User wrote:
-->>>>
-->>>>> I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The
-->>>>> main reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce
-->>>>> traffic on the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying
-->>>>> with the county's new recycling mandate.
-->>>>> Brian
-->>>> That certainly would be a plus in my book! As it is now, I have
-->>>> Company A with once a week pickup. Others on my street use Company A
-->>>> but with twice a week pickup, and others use Company B or C with
-->>>> their various pick up options. So it seems for about 3 or so days a
-->>>> week there are cans at the curb somewhere up and down the street. I'd
-->>>> love it if all the companies would use the same two days a week.
-->>>
-->>> Well, we still get three. Monday, recycling and yard waste. Tuesday,
-->>> trash. Thursday, second trash pickup.
-->>>
-->>>
-->>>
-->>> Brian
-->>>
-->> I am lucky enough to live in a town where yard waste is taken the same day
-->> as trash and recyclables. They will take yard waste till December which
-->> means leaves in the fall.....
-->>
-->
-->Same here, and I agree the recycle container should be bigger than the trash
-->container. Raleigh supplies both, but the trash container is large, with a
-->lid, on wheels, and the recycle bin is one of those small green things. I
-->did not think I would like once a week pickup for everything but I really
-->do.
-->

Here, our block won't recycle anymore as they had the bins over by the
dumpsters 150ft. or so from the building and the bulk of tenants wouldn't take
the recyclables out to the bins. I have to tell you though that about 70% of
tenants are 70+yrs. The building (220suites) has blue boxes in every trash
room, once full the caretaker takes them and fills up the bottom of the
dumpsters with it, and then covers it with other garbage so no one will be the
wiser.

They have a room in the underground parking that they could put bins in but it
seems they are happy with the status quo, and the caretaker is very lazy.
Did I mention that the temp in winter is usually -20C, and as cold as -45C, not
good for these seniors.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>>
>>>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>
>>Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>
>LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
>out of residential neighborhoods.

oh, ok. Like I said before a lot of these people have trucks. It's a
business.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:12:50 GMT, notbob > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>> On 2009-08-11, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>>
>>> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the homeless
>>> continually rummaging through trash receptacles.......
>> No different out in the boonies. Only here, it's bears. Woke up this
>> morning to discover our garbage can (with lid bungee cord secured) wuz
>> folded like a pretzel and garbage strewn for 30 yrds.
>
> When I lived at 8,500' in the Colorado Rockies, we learned fast to
> keep our garbags cans in the garage along with the grill. And I also
> learned not to put hummingbird feeders out *at all*
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>


Absolutely. The news over the weekend showed photos of a rather large
bear in the window of a fur shop in Aspen. The front door had been left
open for customers, and the bear walked in and browsed. I don't think
he bought anything.

Bears, raccoons, coyotes, mountain lions are a constant threat in the
foothills and higher, especially when natural food sources are scarce.
They'll go after bird feeders, pet food, trash, gardens, and even break
into cars and houses and raid the refrigerator. Folk with doggy doors
often report finding raccoons at the dog or cat food bowls in their
kitchens. In our neighborhood ducks, cats and small dogs allowed to
roam (stoopid owners) are at the mercy of foxes, coyotes, and great
horned owls. It's not smart to fool around with Mother Nature.

gloria p

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:
>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:25:57 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:44:40 -0400, "cybercat" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"sf" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>>>> company not with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>>>
>>>> I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
>>>> slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
>>>> recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
>>>> recycling they steal.
>>>>
>>>I see. I missed that up thread. You must really need the money if you
>>>begrudge needy people your trash. Ugh.
>>>
>> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks, some
>> are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>>
>
>god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make a couple
>bucks without 'working' for it.

Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
dirty way is completely unnecessary.

It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
color the sky is on that planet.

In my town, the recycling collection is officially subcontracted out, but
it's mostly actually done by small time entrepreneurs. In my
neighborhood, it is a granny with a cart. She is a nice lady; if I
see her, I give her my cans.

My main beef with the city's program is that I pay a lot more property tax
(in percentage) than neighboring towns and I still have to sort out my own
recycling. Between what I pay and the labor pool options available, I
should be able to just stick it out unsorted.

ObFood: Homemade french fries from fresh organic potatoes using Jeffrey
Steingarten's method are awesome. (Was served these by BFF#2's husband
for dinner ... they have a mandoline and a proper deepfat fryer.)

Charlotte
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:48:56 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:33:39 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:10:55 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, "cybercat" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"sf" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>>>>>in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an interesting
>>>>>>article in the "New York Times" this morning entitled, "Is It Now A
>>>>>>Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>>
>>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>>> company not with them.
>>>>>
>>>>I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>>
>>> I already said it up thread. Our garbage bill is reduced however
>>> slightly the following month if the garbage company gets enough
>>> recycling that actually makes them money... which is the same
>>> recycling they steal.
>>
>>so what...you get a buck or two off? sure you can spare it?
>>
> So, stealing at the grocery store isn't ok but stealing elsewhere is
> just fine. I see.

items in the grocery store haven't already been discarded. root through
their dumpsters all you want.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:35:04 -0400, Goomba wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks, some
>>> are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>>>
>>
>> god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make a couple
>> bucks without 'working' for it.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> They're welcome to all they can find on the public streets. Not only
> does it help them but it certainly helps keep things tidy looking.
>
> They are not welcome to rummage through my cans (not that its ever
> happened to me, thankfully) as I have already contracted with my trash
> service for the recyclable items.

and do you get an accounting from them every months, with exactly the
number and weight of these valuable cans? and then your bill is adjusted?

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:58:21 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:47:35 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make a couple
>>bucks without 'working' for it.
>
> I didn't want to get into that part, but basically they are being
> abused by their families. It ticks me off no end. They are in
> virtual slavery cooking, cleaning, taking care of small children,
> scavenging etc etc with the thread of being sent back to the old
> country if they don't do it all.

then you should be happy they're getting out of the house, getting some
healthful exercise and making a buck, too. win-win!

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:36:14 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:32:19 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>>
>>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:47:39 -0400, blake murphy
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:15:56 -0400, cybercat wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "sf" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:24:44 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people
>>>>>>>> rummaging in recycling bins set out for collection, there was an
>>>>>>>> interesting article in the "New York Times" this morning
>>>>>>>> entitled, "Is It Now A Crime To Be Poor?"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is if they are stealing. I have a contract with the garbage
>>>>>>> company not with them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I really don't understand this. What harm are they doing you?
>>>>>
>>>>> it is truly bizarre. some people can't stand the thought of some
>>>>> other person 'getting away with something,' including *stealing
>>>>> their ****ing trash.*
>>>>>
>>>>> way to keep a tight asshole, peeps!
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever had to clean up the mess after someone has dumped your
>>>> cans over to see what's in there and take what they want? It ain't
>>>> fun.
>>>
>>> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the
>>> homeless continually rummaging through trash receptacles, especially
>>> on the street. Homeless in my 'hood are always making a big mess by
>>> going through peoples' dumpsters, sometimes they've even started
>>> fires on the trash. Last week this happened to a neighboring
>>> building, two firetrucks were called it. It all amounted to
>>> nothing, but it *sure* cost us taxpayers *something*.
>>>
>>> Last summer some psycho homeless **** took a part of a 2x4 out of a
>>> dumpster down the street and heaved it through a neighbor's picture
>>> window. Very nice...another 911 call at *someone's* expense...and
>>> this particular homeless **** is *still* roaming the streets, I
>>> see...
>>>
>>> If blake and serene and cyberkitty are so "concerned" about the
>>> homeless, they might invite some into their homes to live with them,
>>> lol...
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sick of the homeless continually badgering myself and
>>> others and making pest of themselves, they are one facet of urban
>>> life that I *heartily* detest. They are a cancer on the landscape
>>> of city life...
>>
>> maybe you need to follow the republican solution...i.e., make some
>> money and move the **** out of there.
>
> I live in a pretty affluent area, blake...

then you should have a better class of homeless people.

blake

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>>
>>>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>
>>Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>
> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
> out of residential neighborhoods.

bingo.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> > I live in a pretty affluent area, blake...
>
> then you should have a better class of homeless people.
>
> blake

<ROFL!!!>
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On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:50:25 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

> Goomba wrote:
>
>> There is a lot of blame placed on Reagan here that is hardly his fault.
>> During the time he's accused of de-institutionalizing psych patients,
>> ALL states were cutting their funding (NOT just California) and this all
>> began before Reagan became president.
>
> We had the same thing up here. There was a time when people who were
> unable to take care of themselves or who were a danger to themselves
> were committed to institutions. Some thought that was bad thing so they
> let a lot of them out. Now they are roaming the streets and have no
> place to stay. Then there are the pan handlers who tend to be young
> people who left their homes in smaller towns and cities and headed to
> larger cities where pickings were better for panhandling and they fell
> into a bad life.
>
> It wasn't that long ago that there were vagrancy laws. We didn't have
> street people back then because they would toss them in jail.

are there no prisons? are there no workhouses?

your pal,
eben

blake murphy wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:50:25 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>
>>Goomba wrote:
>>
>>
>>>There is a lot of blame placed on Reagan here that is hardly his fault.
>>>During the time he's accused of de-institutionalizing psych patients,
>>>ALL states were cutting their funding (NOT just California) and this all
>>>began before Reagan became president.
>>
>>We had the same thing up here. There was a time when people who were
>>unable to take care of themselves or who were a danger to themselves
>>were committed to institutions. Some thought that was bad thing so they
>>let a lot of them out. Now they are roaming the streets and have no
>>place to stay. Then there are the pan handlers who tend to be young
>>people who left their homes in smaller towns and cities and headed to
>>larger cities where pickings were better for panhandling and they fell
>>into a bad life.
>>
>>It wasn't that long ago that there were vagrancy laws. We didn't have
>>street people back then because they would toss them in jail.
>
>
> are there no prisons? are there no workhouses?
>
> your pal,
> eben

It all goes to "mankind's transcendental spiritual pride" a fear based
arrogance that causes most people to be rude insensitive jerks.

Or worse, when its an individual one can turn ones back on it, but when
its a wide spread sociological phenomena it gets harder to ignore.

But such is the ignorant arrogance of the human animal it does so very well.

The modern world is more and more resembling Paris in the 1790's to me.

We tread, blithely ignorant, over a flower strewn carpet that covers an
abyss of degradation, poverty & suffering of a post apocalyptic
nightmare sort.

The French revolution and reign of terror will be nothing compared to
the coming avalanche of Malthusian chaos and the inevitable Orwellian
police state.

Have a nice day
--

Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.
Let the games begin!
http://fredeeky.typepad.com/fredeeky.../sf_anthem.mp3

"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." > wrote
> The modern world is more and more resembling Paris in the 1790's to me.
>
> We tread, blithely ignorant, over a flower strewn carpet that covers an
> abyss of degradation, poverty & suffering of a post apocalyptic nightmare
> sort.
>
> The French revolution and reign of terror will be nothing compared to the
> coming avalanche of Malthusian chaos and the inevitable Orwellian police
> state.
>
> Have a nice day
> --

Go Joseph. But be careful. You don't want to raise the IQ around here too
quickly.

"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
> Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:12:50 GMT, notbob > fired up
>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>
>>> On 2009-08-11, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the
>>>> homeless
>>>> continually rummaging through trash receptacles.......
>>> No different out in the boonies. Only here, it's bears. Woke up this
>>> morning to discover our garbage can (with lid bungee cord secured) wuz
>>> folded like a pretzel and garbage strewn for 30 yrds.
>>
>> When I lived at 8,500' in the Colorado Rockies, we learned fast to
>> keep our garbags cans in the garage along with the grill. And I also
>> learned not to put hummingbird feeders out *at all*
>>
>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>
>
>
> Absolutely. The news over the weekend showed photos of a rather large
> bear in the window of a fur shop in Aspen. The front door had been left
> open for customers, and the bear walked in and browsed. I don't think
> he bought anything.
>
> Bears, raccoons, coyotes, mountain lions are a constant threat in the
> foothills and higher, especially when natural food sources are scarce.
> They'll go after bird feeders, pet food, trash, gardens, and even break
> into cars and houses and raid the refrigerator. Folk with doggy doors
> often report finding raccoons at the dog or cat food bowls in their
> kitchens. In our neighborhood ducks, cats and small dogs allowed to roam
> (stoopid owners) are at the mercy of foxes, coyotes, and great horned
> owls. It's not smart to fool around with Mother Nature.
>

Folks with doggy doors deserve what they get.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
(Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:

>Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>
>It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>color the sky is on that planet.

I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
mighty about supporting the little people.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:03 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>>
>>>Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>>
>> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
>> out of residential neighborhoods.
>
>bingo.
>
Bullshit.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:03 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>>>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>>>
>>> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
>>> out of residential neighborhoods.
>>
>>bingo.
>>
> Bullshit.
>
It's true. In the same way the City of Raleigh removed benches from the
downtown park adjoining upscale retail, allegedly "for repairs." Last I
checked it had been five years and the "repairs" had not been done. The
shelter is a block away.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>
>>Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>>and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>>for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>>dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>
>>It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>>to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>color the sky is on that planet.
>
> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
> mighty about supporting the little people.
>
I agree with Charlotte, and really think you are being petty and unkind.
Unlike you, in my experience.

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>> mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>
>> Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>
> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
> out of residential neighborhoods. One of my chores at work is to
> monitor city council actions (long and very boring story here) and I
> am often amazed at the idiocy the city council spends their time and
> energy on. They recently passed a measure to "show solidarity" with
> "our ******* and *** brothers and sisters in Iraq," another one to
> "show support for Iranian freedom seekers" and the one that *really*
> had me scratching my head: was to declare as illegal candy flavored
> illegal drugs.


Jeez, and I thought the Chicawgo City Council was being overly - silly when
they bowed to animal rightists by banning foie gras a coupla years ago (the
ban was eventually lifted)...


--
Best
Greg

blake murphy wrote:

> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:35:04 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks,
>>>> some are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>>>>
>>>
>>> god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make
>>> a couple bucks without 'working' for it.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> They're welcome to all they can find on the public streets. Not only
>> does it help them but it certainly helps keep things tidy looking.
>>
>> They are not welcome to rummage through my cans (not that its ever
>> happened to me, thankfully) as I have already contracted with my
>> trash service for the recyclable items.
>
> and do you get an accounting from them every months, with exactly the
> number and weight of these valuable cans? and then your bill is
> adjusted?


Yer acting like some snotty leftist P - U - N - K, blake...


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Tracy wrote:
> Becca wrote:
>> The city provides a green wheelie receptacle for regular waste and a
>> blue wheelie receptacle for recyclables. Most of our waste goes in
>> the recycle bin or the compost heap. On garbage day, we may only have
>> one little 15-gallon bag in the traditional garbage.
>>
>> Becca
>
> My town (technically a city) also picks up trash and recyclables once
> a week. I think the recycling bins should be larger than the trash
> cans....
>
> Tracy

Our bins are about the same size, but I agree with you, the recycle bins
should be larger. The only trash we have is steak bones and popsicle
sticks. The recycle center takes everything except food waste, yard
waste and wood.


Becca

cybercat wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with
>>> a pole and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine
>>> - are provided for to the extent that trying to make a couple of
>>> bucks in a tedious and dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>
>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be
>>> able to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I
>>> wonder what color the sky is on that planet.
>>
>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>
> I agree with Charlotte, and really think you are being petty and
> unkind. Unlike you, in my experience.


So what's wrong with wanting to keep the riff - raff outta the 'hood...???


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cybercat wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:03 -0400, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>>>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>>>> mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>>>>
>>>> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the
>>>> homeless out of residential neighborhoods.
>>>
>>> bingo.
>>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
> It's true. In the same way the City of Raleigh removed benches from
> the downtown park adjoining upscale retail, allegedly "for repairs."
> Last I checked it had been five years and the "repairs" had not been
> done. The shelter is a block away.

Smart move. The homeless hog up all the benches, tear them apart, etc. So
no normal person would want to sit on the benches or even be *near* them...

Anyways, if the homeless want to sit or recline they in this particular case
can go to the homeless shelter - right...???

Here in Chicawgo benches have a barrier in the middle so the homeless can't
stretch out and sleep on them...

It's obvious that you are ignernt of the vagaries of modern urban life,
cyberkitty...


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blake wrote on Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:03 -0400:

>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>
>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> And my original post referenced the LA city council
>>>> contemplating mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>>
>>> Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>>
>> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the
>> homeless out of residential neighborhoods.

> bingo.

It dows seem that way since the homeless are not redidential :-)

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On Aug 12, 2:33*pm, blake murphy > wrote:

> are there no prisons?

So crowded that you need a reservation to get in.

> are there no workhouses?
Unfair competion to the recently laid-off auto workers.

> your pal,
> eben

Sincerely
Kratchet. R.

On Aug 11, 4:35*pm, "Default User" > wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
> > On 10 Aug 2009 21:10:56 GMT, Default User wrote:
> > > That's another new thing, we used to be able to choose our own
> > > hauler. *I was a little ticked off at first by the single provider,
> > > but I have to say that it's actually cheaper now and includes
> > > single-stream recycling, which I didn't have before. My weekly
> > > amount of non-recyclable trash is so small that I just put a
> > > plastic "tall can" bag in the kitchen trash, then put that out on
> > > regular trash day.
> > what!?!?! *free-market competition was not the best solution?! *say it
> > ain't so!
>
> I was a bit surprised that the deal was significantly better. The main
> reason given for going to a single provider was to reduce traffic on
> the streets from trucks, and to get everybody complying with the
> county's new recycling mandate.

I'm not terribly surprised. Some services are naturally more efficient
as monopolies if for nothing else than economies of scale. The
difficulty is in avoiding monopolistic price-gouging. Ontario Hydro
for about 80-100 years was one such monopoly. Highly dependable
service at good rates as long as it was stricly supervised by an
honest government agency. Bell Canada funtioned much the same way.

Idiological free marketers broke up Hydro , privitised parts of it and
things have gotten worse since. On the other hand I don't want a
monopoly running the local corner stores.
John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

On Aug 11, 9:28*pm, Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > wrote:
>
> >>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
> >>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>
> >Hmmm. *There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>
> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
> out of residential neighborhoods. One of my chores at work is to
> monitor city council actions (long and very boring story here) and I
> am often amazed at the idiocy the city council spends their time and
> energy on. They recently passed a measure to "show solidarity" with
> "our ******* and *** brothers and sisters in Iraq," another one to
> "show support for Iranian freedom seekers" and the one that *really*
> had me scratching my head: was to declare as illegal candy flavored
> illegal drugs.


I have a theory that getting elected to a municipal govenment causes
an immediate drop fo 40 to 50 IQ points.

On the other hand those measures didn't cost the tax payers anything
and you never know when those *** Iraqis and Iranian freedom seekers
may become your constituents.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

On Aug 12, 4:17*pm, "Gregory Morrow" > wrote:
> Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
> > On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
> > random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
> >>> mandatory locks on recycling bins
>
> >> Hmmm. *There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>
> > LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
> > out of residential neighborhoods. One of my chores at work is to
> > monitor city council actions (long and very boring story here) and I
> > am often amazed at the idiocy the city council spends their time and
> > energy on. They recently passed a measure to "show solidarity" with
> > "our ******* and *** brothers and sisters in Iraq," another one to
> > "show support for Iranian freedom seekers" and the one that *really*
> > had me scratching my head: was to declare as illegal candy flavored
> > illegal drugs.
>
> Jeez, and I thought the Chicawgo City Council was being overly - silly when
> they bowed to animal rightists by banning foie gras a coupla years ago (the
> ban was eventually lifted)...

They were, how many geese are likely to vote vs how many Iraqi
immigrants may vote?

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

"John Kane" > wrote in message
...
On Aug 11, 9:28 pm, Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> > wrote:
>
> >>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
> >>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>
> >Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>
> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
> out of residential neighborhoods. One of my chores at work is to
> monitor city council actions (long and very boring story here) and I
> am often amazed at the idiocy the city council spends their time and
> energy on. They recently passed a measure to "show solidarity" with
> "our ******* and *** brothers and sisters in Iraq," another one to
> "show support for Iranian freedom seekers" and the one that *really*
> had me scratching my head: was to declare as illegal candy flavored
> illegal drugs.


>I have a theory that getting elected to a municipal govenment causes
>an immediate drop fo 40 to 50 IQ points.

Having sat in on numerous meetings with city and county commissioners, I
must agree.

On Aug 11, 6:56*pm, Gloria P > wrote:
> maxine wrote:
>
> >> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
> >> in recycling bins set out for collection,
>
> > The local reason for not allowing people to rummage in the recycling
> > bins is that the state makes money from the recyclables, so if it's in
> > an official state bin, (or city, or town or whatever) it is gumment
> > property and if you take it, you are a thief!
>
> > You're also a criminal if you take a deposit bottle from your recycle-
> > only state and return it for the nickel in the next state over.
>
> > I have never seen them enforcing that law for the trash part of the
> > trash. *People come by and take lawn mowers, tvs, couches, and whole
> > house furnishings in college neighborhoods in May....
>
> A local TV station did a story on college recycling in Boulder after
> summer school ended. *It showed kids in station wagons pulling up
> and retrieving things like expensive skis, TVs, computer monitors,
> loads of furniture, etc.
>
> One of the summer school kids said "I had no way to get the stuff home
> so I had to just pitch it."

Very normal here. At least one year the local university had its own
recycling station in a large parking lot. Still someone I know picked
up 18-20 vcrs that students had abandoned on the lawns of their
houses. Computer monitors were all over the place. One usually only
saw furniture every three or four houses.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

cybercat wrote:
> "Gloria P" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 05:12:50 GMT, notbob > fired up
>>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-08-11, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yup, *exactly*. One of the "joys" of urban living is having the
>>>>> homeless
>>>>> continually rummaging through trash receptacles.......
>>>> No different out in the boonies. Only here, it's bears. Woke up this
>>>> morning to discover our garbage can (with lid bungee cord secured) wuz
>>>> folded like a pretzel and garbage strewn for 30 yrds.
>>> When I lived at 8,500' in the Colorado Rockies, we learned fast to
>>> keep our garbags cans in the garage along with the grill. And I also
>>> learned not to put hummingbird feeders out *at all*
>>>
>>> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>>>
>>
>> Absolutely. The news over the weekend showed photos of a rather large
>> bear in the window of a fur shop in Aspen. The front door had been left
>> open for customers, and the bear walked in and browsed. I don't think
>> he bought anything.
>>
>> Bears, raccoons, coyotes, mountain lions are a constant threat in the
>> foothills and higher, especially when natural food sources are scarce.
>> They'll go after bird feeders, pet food, trash, gardens, and even break
>> into cars and houses and raid the refrigerator. Folk with doggy doors
>> often report finding raccoons at the dog or cat food bowls in their
>> kitchens. In our neighborhood ducks, cats and small dogs allowed to roam
>> (stoopid owners) are at the mercy of foxes, coyotes, and great horned
>> owls. It's not smart to fool around with Mother Nature.
>>
>
> Folks with doggy doors deserve what they get.
>
>

So have you seen the utube of the raccoon using the doggy door to eat
the doggy's food? :-)

Bob

John Kane wrote:
> On Aug 11, 6:56 pm, Gloria P > wrote:

>> A local TV station did a story on college recycling in Boulder after
>> summer school ended. It showed kids in station wagons pulling up
>> and retrieving things like expensive skis, TVs, computer monitors,
>> loads of furniture, etc.
>>
>> One of the summer school kids said "I had no way to get the stuff home
>> so I had to just pitch it."
>
> Very normal here. At least one year the local university had its own
> recycling station in a large parking lot. Still someone I know picked
> up 18-20 vcrs that students had abandoned on the lawns of their
> houses. Computer monitors were all over the place. One usually only
> saw furniture every three or four houses.
>


The Boulder police have cracked down on an old Boulder tradition and
greatly reduced it this past spring.

The students who live off campus on "the Hill", a very popular party
animal area, traditionally hauled sofas and other upholstered furniture
into the middle of the streets and set them afire as a celebration when
finals were over.

An older tradition had students take unwanted but serviceable furniture,
electronics, and household items to a local warehouse where they were
sold very cheaply to the next year's users. I believe the warehouse
burned down about 15 years ago and no one else has stepped up.

gloria p

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>
>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>
>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>> color the sky is on that planet.
>
> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
> mighty about supporting the little people.
>

Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.

Serene

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Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Becca wrote:

<snip>

>
> > The city provides a green wheelie receptacle for regular waste and a
> > blue wheelie receptacle for recyclables. Most of our waste goes in the
> > recycle bin or the compost heap. On garbage day, we may only have one
> > little 15-gallon bag in the traditional garbage.
>
> Wow, now that's something to be proud of. I'm impressed.
>
> nancy

We don't have any more than that. Two collections a week and two 'tall
kitchen' bags a week. Everything else goes to recycling.

"Bob Muncie" > wrote
>> Folks with doggy doors deserve what they get.
>
> So have you seen the utube of the raccoon using the doggy door to eat the
> doggy's food? :-)
>

No!