sf wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>
>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>
>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>> color the sky is on that planet.
>
> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
> mighty about supporting the little people.

Yeah.... whatever righteousness a person can salvage from letting poor
people scavenge from their garbage,

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:50:46 -0500, "Madame Ovary"
> wrote:

>cybercat wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>>
>> I agree with Charlotte, and really think you are being petty and
>> unkind. Unlike you, in my experience.
>
>
>So what's wrong with wanting to keep the riff - raff outta the 'hood...???

Gregory, that's not even close to the point.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:58:20 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>
>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>> color the sky is on that planet.
>>
>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>
>
>Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
>every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
>are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
>to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
>benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
>would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.
>
All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
problem.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:24:27 -0600, Gloria P >
fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

>Absolutely. The news over the weekend showed photos of a rather large
>bear in the window of a fur shop in Aspen. The front door had been left
> open for customers, and the bear walked in and browsed. I don't think
>he bought anything.
>
>Bears, raccoons, coyotes, mountain lions are a constant threat in the
>foothills and higher, especially when natural food sources are scarce.
>They'll go after bird feeders, pet food, trash, gardens, and even break
>into cars and houses and raid the refrigerator. Folk with doggy doors
>often report finding raccoons at the dog or cat food bowls in their
>kitchens. In our neighborhood ducks, cats and small dogs allowed to
>roam (stoopid owners) are at the mercy of foxes, coyotes, and great
>horned owls. It's not smart to fool around with Mother Nature.

I just read an article about some dumb*ss woman in Ouray CO who had
made a habit of feeding bears, skunks, elk, etc. and was finally
killed by a 400 lb. bear. She referred to them as "my pets, my
babies." Jaysus! Neighbors were occasionally able to count up to 14
bears on her property at one time. Having lived at altitude and
rurally in CO, I did everything I could *not* to attract critters -
well, except for the tassle eared squirrels. They're a laff riot.

OB: Lunch today was black bean soup at Nieuport 17 - now I have a yen
for making a pot. Now, where did I put that recipe...

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:56:00 -0600, Gloria P >
wrote:

>maxine wrote:
>
>>>
>>> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>> in recycling bins set out for collection,
>>
>> The local reason for not allowing people to rummage in the recycling
>> bins is that the state makes money from the recyclables, so if it's in
>> an official state bin, (or city, or town or whatever) it is gumment
>> property and if you take it, you are a thief!
>>
>> You're also a criminal if you take a deposit bottle from your recycle-
>> only state and return it for the nickel in the next state over.
>>
>> I have never seen them enforcing that law for the trash part of the
>> trash. People come by and take lawn mowers, tvs, couches, and whole
>> house furnishings in college neighborhoods in May....
>
>
>A local TV station did a story on college recycling in Boulder after
>summer school ended. It showed kids in station wagons pulling up
>and retrieving things like expensive skis, TVs, computer monitors,
>loads of furniture, etc.
>
>One of the summer school kids said "I had no way to get the stuff home
>so I had to just pitch it."
>
>Reminds me of locker cleanout day at our high school when we purged
>nominally "empty" lockers of the stuff the kids left behind. It was
>nothing to pull out textbooks, library books, $100 graphing calculators,
>$200+ down jackets, CD players, Ipods, and (ugh) still wrapped food they
>were supposed to deliver from months-before fund raisers or Mom's
>Tupperware with green growths inside.
>
>The staff returned the books to the places the kids were too lazy to do,
>the clothing went to Goodwill, calculators and pens, pencils, backpacks
>went to the counseling dept. to be distributed to our less affluent kids
>in the fall.
>
>To paraphrase Mr. Rogers, "Can you say irresponsible, boys and girls?"
>
As a parent who could have been in the position of paying for some of
that stuff when it was new, I have to agree... but furniture recycling
goes on near colleges and big cities. My SIL in Manhattan says people
there do it as a matter of course when moving apartments and calls
picking up items she likes "sidewalk shopping".

I've discovered a certain mindset in my part of town. If I put choice
objects on the sidewalk with a "free" sign, they can stay for days.
Take the sign off - and they're completely gone in hours. It would
make an interesting study for a sociology student.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:58:20 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> > wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a
>>>> pole
>>>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are
>>>> provided
>>>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious
>>>> and
>>>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>>>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>>> color the sky is on that planet.
>>>
>>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>>
>>
>>Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
>>every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
>>are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
>>to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
>>benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
>>would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.
>>
> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
> problem.

They are stealing your discards. Jesus.

cybercat wrote:
> "Bob Muncie" > wrote
>>> Folks with doggy doors deserve what they get.
>> So have you seen the utube of the raccoon using the doggy door to eat the
>> doggy's food? :-)
>>
>
> No!
>
>

This is one of my favorites, but if you look to the right-side menu,
you'll see more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWqb2...eature=related

Bob

Gloria P wrote:
> maxine wrote:
>
>>>
>>> In an earlier post in the thread about homeless people rummaging
>>> in recycling bins set out for collection,
>>
>>
>> The local reason for not allowing people to rummage in the recycling
>> bins is that the state makes money from the recyclables, so if it's in
>> an official state bin, (or city, or town or whatever) it is gumment
>> property and if you take it, you are a thief!
>>
>> You're also a criminal if you take a deposit bottle from your recycle-
>> only state and return it for the nickel in the next state over.
>>
>> I have never seen them enforcing that law for the trash part of the
>> trash. People come by and take lawn mowers, tvs, couches, and whole
>> house furnishings in college neighborhoods in May....
>
>
>
> A local TV station did a story on college recycling in Boulder after
> summer school ended. It showed kids in station wagons pulling up
> and retrieving things like expensive skis, TVs, computer monitors,
> loads of furniture, etc.
>
> One of the summer school kids said "I had no way to get the stuff home
> so I had to just pitch it."
>
> Reminds me of locker cleanout day at our high school when we purged
> nominally "empty" lockers of the stuff the kids left behind. It was
> nothing to pull out textbooks, library books, $100 graphing calculators,
> $200+ down jackets, CD players, Ipods, and (ugh) still wrapped food they
> were supposed to deliver from months-before fund raisers or Mom's
> Tupperware with green growths inside.
>
> The staff returned the books to the places the kids were too lazy to do,
> the clothing went to Goodwill, calculators and pens, pencils, backpacks
> went to the counseling dept. to be distributed to our less affluent kids
> in the fall.
>
> To paraphrase Mr. Rogers, "Can you say irresponsible, boys and girls?"

I won't bother with garage sales. True junk gets thrown away, stuff
that somebody might like to have is periodically set out on an old horse
blanket on the front lawn with a sign reading: "Free Stuff"

Last time I was home to watch what went down. The Creepy Crawler oven
and accessories went first, nabbed by the little kids from across the
street and three houses down.

Didn't see who took the freebie webcam we got from Charter at some point.

A cluster of teen girls lurked at the curb for a good 15 minutes,
clearly expecting to get pranked, but finally approached and took the
lava lamp, a set of crafting/scrapbooking scissors and a big bag of
assorted brass beads.

A white-haired lady driving past parked at the curb and took a two-year
planner/organizer and the blanket the stuff was sitting on(!).

Didn't see who got the rest of the stuff, but it was all gone by the
time I got home.

When we got rid of one of the kids' old twin mattresses, I put it at the
curb with a sign that read in bold text "FREE GENTLY USED MATTRESS",
with smaller text explaining that it had always been used with a
waterproof, dustproof plastic cover.

We saw several cars slow down and look at it that day, but it was still
in the driveway at dusk. My husband wanted to bring it back in but I
told him to just wait, it would be gone by morning, it's just that
nobody wants to be seen taking a used mattress. And sure enough it was
gone before the 10 o'clock news, along with its' zip-off impervious cover.

Arri London wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:

>> Wow, now that's something to be proud of. I'm impressed.

> We don't have any more than that. Two collections a week and two 'tall
> kitchen' bags a week. Everything else goes to recycling.

I toss at least 3 kitchen bags of trash a week. I've come to the
decision that I have to return to recycling mixed paper and hope
that keeping it out of the trash is worth the gas to drive it to the
recycle center.

nancy

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:20:28 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:35:04 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks,
>>>>> some are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make
>>>> a couple bucks without 'working' for it.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> They're welcome to all they can find on the public streets. Not only
>>> does it help them but it certainly helps keep things tidy looking.
>>>
>>> They are not welcome to rummage through my cans (not that its ever
>>> happened to me, thankfully) as I have already contracted with my
>>> trash service for the recyclable items.
>>
>> and do you get an accounting from them every months, with exactly the
>> number and weight of these valuable cans? and then your bill is
>> adjusted?
>
> Yer acting like some snotty leftist P - U - N - K, blake...

than what is begrudging crumbs to the less fortunate? right-wing snotty?

blake

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:58:17 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:58:20 -0700, Serene Vannoy
> > wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>>>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>>>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>>>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>>>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>>> color the sky is on that planet.
>>>
>>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>>
>>
>>Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
>>every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
>>are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
>>to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
>>benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
>>would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.
>>
> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
> problem.

they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:14:23 -0400, cybercat wrote:

> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:03 -0400, blake murphy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>>>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>>>>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>>>>
>>>>>Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>>>>
>>>> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
>>>> out of residential neighborhoods.
>>>
>>>bingo.
>>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
> It's true. In the same way the City of Raleigh removed benches from the
> downtown park adjoining upscale retail, allegedly "for repairs." Last I
> checked it had been five years and the "repairs" had not been done. The
> shelter is a block away.

along the same lines is putting the little studs in the benches so one
cannot recline on them. sit up straight!

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:55:27 -0500, Madame Ovary wrote:

> cybercat wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:03 -0400, blake murphy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>>>>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>>>>> mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>>>>>
>>>>> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the
>>>>> homeless out of residential neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>> bingo.
>>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>>>
>> It's true. In the same way the City of Raleigh removed benches from
>> the downtown park adjoining upscale retail, allegedly "for repairs."
>> Last I checked it had been five years and the "repairs" had not been
>> done. The shelter is a block away.
>
> Smart move. The homeless hog up all the benches, tear them apart, etc. So
> no normal person would want to sit on the benches or even be *near* them...
>
> Anyways, if the homeless want to sit or recline they in this particular case
> can go to the homeless shelter - right...???
>
> Here in Chicawgo benches have a barrier in the middle so the homeless can't
> stretch out and sleep on them...
>
> It's obvious that you are ignernt of the vagaries of modern urban life,
> cyberkitty...

maybe you should move to celebration, florida, where uncle walt's
descendants don't allow such foolishness.

blake

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09:00 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:27:03 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:28:21 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:51:17 -0700, sf > fired up
>>> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:23:35 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>And my original post referenced the LA city council contemplating
>>>>>mandatory locks on recycling bins
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm. There's another clue for you that it's stealing.
>>>
>>> LA city council records indicate the measure was to keep the homeless
>>> out of residential neighborhoods.
>>
>>bingo.
>>
> Bullshit.

and you know this bullshit, how?

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:56:10 -0400, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:58:17 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:58:20 -0700, Serene Vannoy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>>>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>>>>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>>>>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>>>>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>>>>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>>>> color the sky is on that planet.
>>>>
>>>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>>>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
>>>every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
>>>are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
>>>to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
>>>benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
>>>would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.
>>>
>> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
>> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
>> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
>> problem.
>
>they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.
>
I'm giving it to my garbage company's recycling plant. If I was
throwing it away, it would be in the gutter.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:
>On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:58:17 -0700, sf wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:58:20 -0700, Serene Vannoy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>sf wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>>>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>>>>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>>>>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>>>>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>>>>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>>>> color the sky is on that planet.
>>>>
>>>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>>>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
>>>every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
>>>are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
>>>to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
>>>benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
>>>would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.
>>>
>> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
>> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
>> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
>> problem.
>
>they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.

*BING* *BING* *BING*

and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.

Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.

That's happened to me a couple of times, but in my neighborhood I figure
it's as likely to be the neighbors. The city is Not Exactly Speedy in
delivering replacements/new items; once someone pinched my garbage can
and the city took a full month to deliver the replacement even though I
live within earshot of the city yard. (Good thing for me that, with
composting, recycling, and smart purchasing my output is low; trash day
found me creeping out early to put my one bag in my neighbor's can.)

Let's run this over again with another example:

TV placed out on the curb disappears: NOT STEALING
TV in the living room disappears: STEALING

ObFood: Locally-produced yogurt (St Benoit for you locals) with peaches.
Awesome.

Charlotte
--

In article >,
Serene Vannoy > wrote:
>sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a pole
>>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are provided
>>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious and
>>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>
>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be able
>>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>> color the sky is on that planet.
>>
>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>> mighty about supporting the little people.

Heh. That is the type of mature, compassionate, community-building
response I've come to expect from SF.

What's next after this "NO U" response to avoid addressing my points?
Pulling my earrings?

Stay classy, SF! Do you have health insurance to treat that knee after
jerking it so hard?

>Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
>every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
>are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
>to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
>benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
>would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.

My world isn't a zero-sum world, where it's US vs. THEM. So, no feeling
high-and-mighty here - there but for the grace of God go I. I have been
given a lot, but people have helped me out over the way, so I want to keep
paying it forward.

Unlike SF, though, I know it's not all about me me me me meeeeeeeee. I
don't think we're going to get out of our present pickle (ObFood
) in this country without being kind to one another.

If the city wants to start policing the scavengers, that's their call. I
doubt that will happen. In the meantime everyone in town knows it
functions as a social program.

ObFoodForRealThisTime: It got warm here so I made gazpacho. I use Muir
Glen diced tomatoes and V8 juice as the liquid base, add salt, pepper,
and sherry vinegar to flavor, and used the cuke, red onion, garlic, and
Green Zebra tomatoes from my CSA box. (I got the yellow bell pepper at
the Berkeley Bowl.)

Charlotte


--

Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:

> and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>
> Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.
>
> That's happened to me a couple of times, but in my neighborhood I figure
> it's as likely to be the neighbors. The city is Not Exactly Speedy in
> delivering replacements/new items; once someone pinched my garbage can
> and the city took a full month to deliver the replacement even though I
> live within earshot of the city yard. (Good thing for me that, with
> composting, recycling, and smart purchasing my output is low; trash day
> found me creeping out early to put my one bag in my neighbor's can.)
>
> Let's run this over again with another example:
>
> TV placed out on the curb disappears: NOT STEALING
> TV in the living room disappears: STEALING


I am reminded of an old episode of Trailer Park Boys where they are
stealing from people's yards. Two of them go into people's yards and
take lawn furniture, BBS and other items and move them out to the end of
the driveway. Then another one comes along with a car and trailer and
takes the "garbage". It must be garbage because it was at the end of
the driver. Therefore he is not stealing.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:37:15 +0000 (UTC),
(Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:

>*BING* *BING* *BING*
>
>and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>
>Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.

Wrong.

Recycling Theft

City and State law prohibit the theft of any recyclable materials.
Sunset Scavenger Company and Golden Gate Disposal & Recycling Company
are the only collection companies authorized by the City of San
Francisco to collect recycling from recycling carts or bins. If you
see someone other than an employee of either company removing
recyclables from a recycling cart or bin, obtain the vehicle license
number, car description, time of the theft, description of the
person(s), note the direction they were heading and report the theft
to the non-emergency Police dispatch office at 553-0123.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC),
(Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:

>Stay classy, SF! Do you have health insurance to treat that knee after
>jerking it so hard?

I really do NOT care what you think of me. It is a crime to steal
recycling in San Francisco. The sooner you took your head out of your
ass and realized it, the happier you'll be.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:37:15 +0000 (UTC),
> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>
>>*BING* *BING* *BING*
>>
>>and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>>
>>Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Recycling Theft
>
> City and State law prohibit the theft of any recyclable materials.
> Sunset Scavenger Company and Golden Gate Disposal & Recycling Company
> are the only collection companies authorized by the City of San
> Francisco to collect recycling from recycling carts or bins. If you
> see someone other than an employee of either company removing
> recyclables from a recycling cart or bin, obtain the vehicle license
> number, car description, time of the theft, description of the
> person(s), note the direction they were heading and report the theft
> to the non-emergency Police dispatch office at 553-0123.
>
>
Maybe, but I still think it is petty and mean of you.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
m...
> Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
>
>> and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>>
>> Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.
>>
>> That's happened to me a couple of times, but in my neighborhood I figure
>> it's as likely to be the neighbors. The city is Not Exactly Speedy in
>> delivering replacements/new items; once someone pinched my garbage can
>> and the city took a full month to deliver the replacement even though I
>> live within earshot of the city yard. (Good thing for me that, with
>> composting, recycling, and smart purchasing my output is low; trash day
>> found me creeping out early to put my one bag in my neighbor's can.)
>>
>> Let's run this over again with another example:
>>
>> TV placed out on the curb disappears: NOT STEALING
>> TV in the living room disappears: STEALING
>
>
> I am reminded of an old episode of Trailer Park Boys where they are
> stealing from people's yards. Two of them go into people's yards and take
> lawn furniture, BBS and other items and move them out to the end of the
> driveway. Then another one comes along with a car and trailer and takes
> the "garbage". It must be garbage because it was at the end of the
> driver. Therefore he is not stealing.

Not the same at all, dimwit.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:56:10 -0400, blake murphy
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:58:17 -0700, sf wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:58:20 -0700, Serene Vannoy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>sf wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC),
>>>>> (Charlotte L. Blackmer) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently in sf's world, having a truck and/or being a granny with a
>>>>>> pole
>>>>>> and two bags means that all needs - housing, food, medicine - are
>>>>>> provided
>>>>>> for to the extent that trying to make a couple of bucks in a tedious
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> dirty way is completely unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds like a nice world to be in. I would certainly like to be
>>>>>> able
>>>>>> to direct some of the people I know in that direction. I wonder what
>>>>>> color the sky is on that planet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll send them over to scavenge from you so you can feel high and
>>>>> mighty about supporting the little people.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Charlotte won't tell you this, but she spends significant hours each and
>>>>every week, and a significant chunk of her own money, feeding people who
>>>>are beyond desperate. She puts her money where her mouth is. I'm proud
>>>>to be her neighbor, and awed by the amount of work she does for no
>>>>benefit to herself. If she felt high and mighty, and she doesn't, she
>>>>would *deserve* to feel that way, because she's a true gem of a person.
>>>>
>>> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
>>> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
>>> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
>>> problem.
>>
>>they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.
>>
> I'm giving it to my garbage company's recycling plant. If I was
> throwing it away, it would be in the gutter.
>

Do you freqently toss refuse in the gutter? I thought that stopped in the
1800s along with the cart for the dead and throwing slops out the windor.

Bob Muncie wrote:
> cybercat wrote:
>> "Bob Muncie" > wrote
>>>> Folks with doggy doors deserve what they get.
>>> So have you seen the utube of the raccoon using the doggy door to
>>> eat the doggy's food? :-)
>>>
>>
>> No!
>>
>
> This is one of my favorites, but if you look to the right-side menu,
> you'll see more.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWqb2...eature=related
>
> Bob

Nice video. I have used a small cat door for two decades now, I never
worried about any critter using it besides a cat. Then I saw this
video. BTW, this cat looks identical to my cat Louie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkETbFvy91k


Becca

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:20:28 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:35:04 -0400, Goomba wrote:
>>>
>>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> First of all, these people are not homeless. Many have trucks,
>>>>>> some are grannies with a pole and two bags.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> god forbid that some grannies with a pole and two bags should make
>>>>> a couple bucks without 'working' for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> your pal,
>>>>> blake
>>>>
>>>> They're welcome to all they can find on the public streets. Not
>>>> only does it help them but it certainly helps keep things tidy
>>>> looking.
>>>>
>>>> They are not welcome to rummage through my cans (not that its ever
>>>> happened to me, thankfully) as I have already contracted with my
>>>> trash service for the recyclable items.
>>>
>>> and do you get an accounting from them every months, with exactly
>>> the number and weight of these valuable cans? and then your bill is
>>> adjusted?
>>
>> Yer acting like some snotty leftist P - U - N - K, blake...
>
> than what is begrudging crumbs to the less fortunate? right-wing
> snotty?


It's a pity HUAC is still not around, blake...then you'd "change" yer
"tune"...heehee...

;-)


--
Best
Greg

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

>
> I just read an article about some dumb*ss woman in Ouray CO who had
> made a habit of feeding bears, skunks, elk, etc. and was finally
> killed by a 400 lb. bear. She referred to them as "my pets, my
> babies." Jaysus! Neighbors were occasionally able to count up to 14
> bears on her property at one time. Having lived at altitude and
> rurally in CO, I did everything I could *not* to attract critters -
> well, except for the tassle eared squirrels. They're a laff riot.
>

I agree about the woman's stupidity (Local news said the bear was
devouring her when someone first noticed.) Squirrels of any kind are
vermin in my book 'cause they trash my bird feeders when they get the
chance.

gloria p
happy NOT to be living in the mts.

sf wrote:

>
> I've discovered a certain mindset in my part of town. If I put choice
> objects on the sidewalk with a "free" sign, they can stay for days.
> Take the sign off - and they're completely gone in hours. It would
> make an interesting study for a sociology student.
>



Yes, it would be interesting. We once had no luck at all selling
our son's old VW Fox when we advertised it at $800 but it sold in
a day when we raised the price to $1200. Go figure....

gloria p

Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:

>
> Let's run this over again with another example:
>
> TV placed out on the curb disappears: NOT STEALING
> TV in the living room disappears: STEALING
>



I couldn't agree more.

gloria p

"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
> Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
>
>>
>> Let's run this over again with another example:
>>
>> TV placed out on the curb disappears: NOT STEALING
>> TV in the living room disappears: STEALING
>>
>
>
>
> I couldn't agree more.
>

Same here.

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:49:19 -0400, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> Arri London wrote:
>>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>> Wow, now that's something to be proud of. I'm impressed.
>>
>>> We don't have any more than that. Two collections a week and two
>>> 'tall kitchen' bags a week. Everything else goes to recycling.
>>
>> I toss at least 3 kitchen bags of trash a week. I've come to the
>> decision that I have to return to recycling mixed paper and hope
>> that keeping it out of the trash is worth the gas to drive it to the
>> recycle center.

> Y'all keep on talking about small containers.

?

> Here in ABQ, we get these biodegradable bags (HUGE) to put our
> recyclables in... It can be all mixed..but they prefer us not to put
> glass in them, but take glass to a drop off place.

Here, all they take is plastic & glass you set out in your own
container once a month, and newspapers you tie into bundles
that you set out once a month. There are no other recyclables
collected curbside in my town.

If I could put out mixed paper, now, most of my garbage would
be recycling too. As it is, that's voluntary.

>We set the bags
> out with our garbage.. I rarely have more than one garbage bag a
> week, and have way more recyclable stuff.

nancy

sf wrote:

> Recycling Theft
>
> City and State law prohibit the theft of any recyclable materials.
> Sunset Scavenger Company and Golden Gate Disposal & Recycling Company
> are the only collection companies authorized by the City of San
> Francisco to collect recycling from recycling carts or bins. If you
> see someone other than an employee of either company removing
> recyclables from a recycling cart or bin, obtain the vehicle license
> number, car description, time of the theft, description of the
> person(s), note the direction they were heading and report the theft
> to the non-emergency Police dispatch office at 553-0123.
>

San Francisco diverts 70%, by weight, of its municipal waste to
recycling. This is the highest rate in the nation.

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:43:14 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>Michael "Dog3" wrote:

>> The panhandlers used to really **** me off. Some of them could be
>> very aggressive. Did you know it's legal to panhandle in the city of
>> St. Louis? A cop I know said it's not illegal for people to
>> panhandle but he told me a couple of exceptions which I don't
>> remember.
>
>
>Some that work the suckers in heavily - touristed places here (Michigan Ave,
>Navy Pier, etc.) make pretty good money I'd guess...then there are the "I've
>lost my wallet and I need $3.25 to get home on the commuter train
>tonight..." scammers.

I'm sure we all have stories about panhandlers-scammers-people in
need.

There was a news blurp on one of the Chicago stations about them a few
years back and some claim to make as much as 60 grand a year. What
really shocked me as they'd admit it on camera.

I was leaving Ikea in Shaumburg a few years ago and some chick was
driving around the parking lot claiming she just got off work and
asked me for 5 bucks for gas money to get home. The lot there is huge
and by the time I got out she probably asked 15 more people before I
got out. And the way she was driving probably used a gallon of gas.

But sometimes people in need can leave an unsettled feeling in your
heart if you don't know if they really do need it.

In January of last year we spent an evening at the Marriott on
Hubbard. In celebration of our birthdays we were hosted to the room
with the hosts having an adjoining room. We got there early afternoon
and played board games, enjoyed the view for the 22nd floor, chatted
and laughed, and had many cocktails. Then walked over to Maggiano's.
Maggiano's sucks but the day and evening were wonderful. We'd brought
lots of food with us for the afternoon so I was full of gin and
crackers so I just ordered a beer and had a sampling of whatever
Louise had ordered. I didn't even like the way Maggiano's smelled.

We went back to the rooms and changed into more comfy clothes and I
went down to ground level for a smoke. While outside I dealt with the
usually cigarette beggars and a young woman with a short story about
needing 40some bucks for a train fare to get home. She said even a
dollar would help. I said I didn't have any money which was true
because my wallet was upstairs and there was nothing but plastic in it
anyway.

She moved on and I had the usual people and their bullshit annoy me
until I finished smoking. But I notice there was something unusual
about her as she approached others and it seemed she truly didn't
belong there.

I went upstairs and people were in the shower, dozing off from the
food coma, and the TV was boring. I had a beer and chatted a bit and
went back to the street. She was still there but now sitting on her
suitcase. I'm very outgoing and talkative and started a conversation.

I ended up spending close to an hour with her. Louise was furious.
She claimed to be from Kansas or Nebraska or one of the states that
would not make someone capable of dealing with the streets of Chicago.
She and her boyfriend had wanted to move here so he came to try to
find work. He ****ed up and ended up in Cook County Jail. She came
here thinking she could get him out and found out city life is a bit
different than living in a town where people know you. He was not
getting out.

She offered no information on her own but was willing to answer any of
my questions from my drunken curiosity. She had only been here a few
days. She found a shelter but found out what a bad time they are and
had slept on a train the night before. The last time she ate was 2
days before when someone gave her a mcShitties hamburger. I told her
I'd go get some food if she was hungry but I wasn't giving her any
money. She said: "Thank you, I'm hungry." I went up and did my
typical over-plating thing and brought down a meal for her. Being
sceptical I kinda thought she'd be gone as I told her she wasn't
getting any money. It took close to 15 minutes to get back to the
street but she was there sitting on her suitcase waiting when I
returned. She thanked me and proceeded to chow like a famished dog.
By this time Louise was annoyed and sent one of the hosts to see if I
was "OK." That worked out good for me because it was the only
validity I had to verify this was a bazaar situation and I wasn't
getting a "paid-for" BJ in some doorway. She wrapped up what she
didn't eat in napkins she had in her suitcase and carefully stashed
everything for the next time she needed to eat.

She thanked me and wheeled her suitcase to wherever she was going to
spend the night. I went back to my nice hotel room and had another
gin. By this time Louise was very annoyed with me. I told her and
the other couple we'd be best leaving the talk until the morning when
I was sober.

In the morning we packed up and drove to our friends house in LaGrange
Park. I was asked about what the hell had happened the night before.
Between the ride and the brunch conversation I was branded the jerk
for not giving the woman the money to get home. Louise and the other
woman both had tears in their eyes.

Being over served didn't help, but I'll never know what "really"
happened that night, if she was telling the truth, or if I did the
right thing.

Lou

"Charlotte L. Blackmer" > wrote in message
>>> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
>>> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
>>> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
>>> problem.
>>
>>they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.
>
> *BING* *BING* *BING*
>
> and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>
> Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.

Your opinion does not matter. Ask your town attorney what the law is.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Charlotte L. Blackmer" > wrote in message
>>>> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
>>>> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
>>>> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>>they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.
>>
>> *BING* *BING* *BING*
>>
>> and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>>
>> Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.
>
> Your opinion does not matter. Ask your town attorney what the law is.
>
Ugh.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:24:24 -0500, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:

<snippidy>

>Being over served didn't help, but I'll never know what "really"
>happened that night, if she was telling the truth, or if I did the
>right thing.

You just never know if someone is truly in need or you're just being
played. My boss and I were crossing a parking lot a couple of weeks
ago when a woman in one of those whirl-around gigs approached us. She
introduced herself by name, said this was the most embarrassing thing
that had ever happened to her, but she needed $20 for her meds (a
pharmacy was right across the street) and anything we could spare
would be appreciated. Sincerity just *dripped* off her. My boss
*rarely* has cash on him due to a bad case of teenageritis at home and
all I had were $20s, so I gave her one. She just about wept with
gratitude then *bolted* out of the parking lot, making a bee line for
the pharmacy. I told my boss that if I'd been played, I didn't care. I
also didn't want to know about it if I *had* been played, as it might
keep my hand out of my pocket the next time for someone who *was* in
need.

OTOH, I recall a time a few years ago in Amsterdam that this American
kid approached the DH and me, saying he just needed $20 to be able to
buy air fare back to the states. The kid was giving off a vibe, so I
just pushed my sunglasses down my nose and said, "Does this work very
often for you?" He just grinned and said, "Uh-huh."

Then there's the homeless woman who sits on a bus bench right in front
of LA Superior Court. She must just about live there, as she's been
there every single time I've been to LASC for years. She never
panhandles, just sits quietly, not making eye contact, keeping one
hand on a big bag of her belongings. If you offer her a bill, she'll
quietly take it, never acknowledge it further, still not making eye
contact.

OB: Just made a big batch of tapioca for the DH. Funny how tapioca can
float his boat just as well as a far more complicated dessert.

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Charlotte L. Blackmer" > wrote in message
>>>> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
>>>> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
>>>> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
>>>> problem.
>>>
>>>they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.
>>
>> *BING* *BING* *BING*
>>
>> and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>>
>> Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.
>
> Your opinion does not matter. Ask your town attorney what the law is.
Do you admire this kind of petty nitpicking semantics game? As though there
are no stupid laws. I don't give a fat, selfish, smug suburbanite's ass WHAT
the law is, it is utterly petty and miserably small and uncaring to begrudge
the poor or needy your refuse. And yes you bet I am talking about YOU, sf.
If there is a law against them picking things up that are in containers
marked for disposal, it is a law designed to keep the riff raff out of the
fat ****ing smug suburban bitches' sight.

Charlotte's point was not "what the law is." She is a bigger person than
that. She was talking about a caring, rational person's reasonable
definition of stealing, not that of a mindless penny ante bureaucracy
catering to fatass suburban twits who actually begrudge the needy their
castoff.

Ugh. I said UGH. bleah. *shiver*

On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:43:14 -0500, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:
-->
-->>Michael "Dog3" wrote:
-->
-->>> The panhandlers used to really **** me off. Some of them could be
-->>> very aggressive. Did you know it's legal to panhandle in the city of
-->>> St. Louis? A cop I know said it's not illegal for people to
-->>> panhandle but he told me a couple of exceptions which I don't
-->>> remember.
-->>
-->>
-->>Some that work the suckers in heavily - touristed places here (Michigan Ave,
-->>Navy Pier, etc.) make pretty good money I'd guess...then there are the "I've
-->>lost my wallet and I need $3.25 to get home on the commuter train
-->>tonight..." scammers.
-->


There are two guys that wear knee braces I see all the time panning, they stand
on the center blvd. at the stop lights of two large big box malls. One guy had
a sign, "out of work starving", my buddy owns a construction company and
offered the guy a job for $14 hr., he said hell no man why work when I can make
$400 in just a few hours every day.
So if that's the truth, and I'm guessing it could be that's $2000 a week if
he's there five days a week.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:33:28 -0400, "cybercat" > wrote:

-->
-->"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
-->>
-->> "Charlotte L. Blackmer" > wrote in message
-->>>>> All well and good, but she wouldn't be pleased if someone decided to
-->>>>> steal from her. What I'm talking about is flat out stealing. If
-->>>>> someone wants to paint it with a different brush, that's their
-->>>>> problem.
-->>>>
-->>>>they're 'stealing' something *you've already thrown away*.
-->>>
-->>> *BING* *BING* *BING*
-->>>
-->>> and have placed on PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
-->>>
-->>> Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.
-->>
-->> Your opinion does not matter. Ask your town attorney what the law is.
-->Do you admire this kind of petty nitpicking semantics game? As though there
-->are no stupid laws. I don't give a fat, selfish, smug suburbanite's ass WHAT
-->the law is, it is utterly petty and miserably small and uncaring to begrudge
-->the poor or needy your refuse. And yes you bet I am talking about YOU, sf.
-->If there is a law against them picking things up that are in containers
-->marked for disposal, it is a law designed to keep the riff raff out of the
-->fat ****ing smug suburban bitches' sight.
-->
-->Charlotte's point was not "what the law is." She is a bigger person than
-->that. She was talking about a caring, rational person's reasonable
-->definition of stealing, not that of a mindless penny ante bureaucracy
-->catering to fatass suburban twits who actually begrudge the needy their
-->castoff.
-->
-->Ugh. I said UGH. bleah. *shiver*
-->

furball?

"cybercat" > wrote in message>>> and have placed on
PUBLIC PROPERTY, i.e., the sidewalk/curb.
>>>
>>> Now if they take the recycling bin along with it ... THAT's stealing.
>>
>> Your opinion does not matter. Ask your town attorney what the law is.
>>
> Ugh.

If the police did not go after the bottle snatchers, they'd have time to go
after the real criminals. like the 8 yo with the lemonade stand.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:27:58 -0700, Terry Pulliam Burd >
wrote:

-->On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:24:24 -0500, Lou Decruss
> fired up random neurons and synapses to opine:
-->
--><snippidy>
-->
-->>Being over served didn't help, but I'll never know what "really"
-->>happened that night, if she was telling the truth, or if I did the
-->>right thing.
-->
-->You just never know if someone is truly in need or you're just being
-->played. My boss and I were crossing a parking lot a couple of weeks
-->ago when a woman in one of those whirl-around gigs approached us. She
-->introduced herself by name, said this was the most embarrassing thing
-->that had ever happened to her, but she needed $20 for her meds (a
-->pharmacy was right across the street) and anything we could spare
-->would be appreciated. Sincerity just *dripped* off her. My boss
-->*rarely* has cash on him due to a bad case of teenageritis at home and
-->all I had were $20s, so I gave her one. She just about wept with
-->gratitude then *bolted* out of the parking lot, making a bee line for
-->the pharmacy. I told my boss that if I'd been played, I didn't care. I
-->also didn't want to know about it if I *had* been played, as it might
-->keep my hand out of my pocket the next time for someone who *was* in
-->need.
-->
-->OTOH, I recall a time a few years ago in Amsterdam that this American
-->kid approached the DH and me, saying he just needed $20 to be able to
-->buy air fare back to the states. The kid was giving off a vibe, so I
-->just pushed my sunglasses down my nose and said, "Does this work very
-->often for you?" He just grinned and said, "Uh-huh."
-->
-->Then there's the homeless woman who sits on a bus bench right in front
-->of LA Superior Court. She must just about live there, as she's been
-->there every single time I've been to LASC for years. She never
-->panhandles, just sits quietly, not making eye contact, keeping one
-->hand on a big bag of her belongings. If you offer her a bill, she'll
-->quietly take it, never acknowledge it further, still not making eye
-->contact.
-->
-->OB: Just made a big batch of tapioca for the DH. Funny how tapioca can
-->float his boat just as well as a far more complicated dessert.
-->
-->Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

I wonder if it can be made in the crockpot? Got my kid and a herd of friends
coming over Sat., maybe I'll check it out... I love tapioca