Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
combo
of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
consider
is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

Dave wrote:
>
> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

California, because the French wines I've tried
have a sort of spicy flavor that I don't like.
I don't know whether this is due to the grapes,
barrel oak, or what. California wines have a
cleaner flavor. I suppose some people must like
the French flavor, otherwise they wouldn't make
it that way.

"Dave" > wrote in message
...
> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

Australian reds, california whites. French wines seem thin to me, either too
dry and flimsy bodied or in the case of wines like Vouvray and other desert
wines too syrupy. Australian reds (shiraz is my favorite table wine but I
like most of them) seem better balanced. I also like one Hungarian wine
called Egri Bikaver (Bull's Blood of Eger) that is a dry, full-bodied, blood
red wine. The most suckass wines of all time are German wines, for me. The
very best I have had were Spatlese or Auschlese, way too sweet. I have not
had a wide variety of German wines. I do like Gewurtztraminer as a desert
wine, it is at least spicy enough to offset the inherent sweetness.

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave >
shouted from the highest rooftop:

>Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
>combo of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
>consider is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

Neither.

I prefer Australian reds because they're big, rich and very tasty.

I prefer New Zealand whites because they're divine.


--

una cerveza mas por favor ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave >
wrote:

>Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
>combo
>of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
>consider
>is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

I think most wines are best as close to the source as possible.
Transportation introduces too many risks to quality.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article
>,
Dave > wrote:

> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

If I only had a choice between the two, I'd choose California wines over
French wines hands down. I have yet to meet a French wine I like.
California wines are much, much more pleasant.

That being said, I also like Texas and Australian wines better than
French and equally to California.

IMHO Battery Acid tastes better than French wines. <g>
Especially their Brut Champagnes... The very worst Champagne I ever had
was a French Brut that cost $150.00 per bottle. The person that brought
it to the New Years party bragged about it's price. He was a wine
purchaser for some store and he'd gotten this one at a bargain price.
It was one of the most vile things that has ever passed my lips!

I wish I could recall the name...
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.


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In article >,
bob in nz > wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave >
> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>
> >Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> >combo of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> >consider is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
> Neither.
>
> I prefer Australian reds because they're big, rich and very tasty.
>
> I prefer New Zealand whites because they're divine.

Argentina also makes some very good wines.
--
Peace! Om

Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass.
It's about learning to dance in the rain.
-- Anon.


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There is no such thing as Californian wine, it's just grape juice surely ;-)

Steve
(Sitting on the western edge of the Beaujolais)

Dave wrote:
> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

sf wrote:

> I think most wines are best as close to the source as possible.
> Transportation introduces too many risks to quality.

I sure do agree with you on this. Bob heard about a wine called a Baco
Noir. None of it to be found around here, so he ordered it from the
vineyard in Oregon. He paid for expedited shipping as we were going out
of town, only to get a shipping update that said the wine didn't ship on
the day it was supposed to. Luckily, we had a house sitter and she was
supposed to accept for signed delivery -- except that when UPS showed
up, she had fallen asleep on an air mattress and was sunburning herself
in the pool. UPS did make a second attempt same day and she was inside
for that. This could have been all kinds of bad because the trucks that
come through here are not refrigerated and it could have gone into some
holding pattern in a place much hotter than a truck.

But, it all ended well. Our house sitter was able to "even out" her
coloring while we were gone -- and hopefully won't peel much. The wine
was dee-lish, although a bit young. The bottles we have left need to sit
for a year or so more.

What we had:

http://www.girardetwine.com/WineShop...ducts _id=180

Oh, and for the OP: California wines. Of the French, I like a good
Chateau Neuf de Pape, but for the most part I'm a California girl. Many
of the French wines I've tried are "chewy." I wish I had a better way of
explaining it, but there you have it. I'm not big on heavy tannins.

--Lin

Dave wrote:

> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a combo of
> all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or consider is
> superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.


California wines. I like them better, though I wouldn't say I *much* prefer
them, as your poll asks.

I also like German and Italian wines better than French wines. French red
wines often seem "skunky" to me, while French white wines usually seem sour
and watery. French dessert wines are acceptable, though.

Oregon is also making some very nice wines, as are New Zealand and
Australia. Why didn't you ask about them?

Bob

"Omelet" > wrote in message
news
> If I only had a choice between the two, I'd choose California wines over
> French wines hands down. I have yet to meet a French wine I like.
> California wines are much, much more pleasant.
>
> That being said, I also like Texas and Australian wines better than
> French and equally to California.
>
> IMHO Battery Acid tastes better than French wines. <g>
> Especially their Brut Champagnes... The very worst Champagne I ever had
> was a French Brut that cost $150.00 per bottle. The person that brought
> it to the New Years party bragged about it's price. He was a wine
> purchaser for some store and he'd gotten this one at a bargain price.
> It was one of the most vile things that has ever passed my lips!
>
> I wish I could recall the name...

I always choose Italian wine. I am never disappointed. I don't know how
well it travels because no one seems to have commented on it, but do try
some if you get the chance.

"Dave" wrote ..........
>
> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink\.
> and/or consider is superior, French wines or Californian wines
> and please say why.

Dave, there is more to the world of wine than just France or California!

And, how on earth can you just say "France" when there exists such a vast
difference in varieties and styles when comparing Bordeaux and Burgundy or
Bandol - or the Loire and Languedoc - not to mention the Rhone and Alsace or
Champagne???

Your question simply becomes a nonsense.

As a matter of the broadest generalisation, in my experience -

The very best Cabernet Sauvignon / Merlot / "Bordeaux variety" blended wines
I have consumed have been French - however, I have had some excellent
examples from California and Australia.
The very best sparkling wines have been French - No other region or country
gets within cooeee of Champagne.
I have had some stunningly superb Syrah (Shiraz) from Australia and New
Zealand - but, again, the very best experiences I have had have been from
the Rhone.
What about Riesling - such an array of styles - and so difficult to compare
the wines of Alsace and Germany. But, in my mind, again, the very best
Riesling I have consumed was French.
Pinot Noir - Burgundy makes Burgundy - NZ in my mind now makes the best
expression of the grape (but I am biased)
Chardonnay - IME - the finest I have consumed was from Western Australia - I
have yet to experience the epiphany which is Chablis or Bourgogne.
Gewürztraminer - Alsace and NZ
Sauvignon Blanc - NZ (Marlborough) may now be the spiritual home - but the
best experience I had was - again - French.
And sweet wines - France - but one cannot ignore Germany and Australia and
Canada.
Fortified - Spain, Portugal, Hungary and Australia!
Zinfandel - California
Nebbiolo, Sangiovese, Malbec, Tempranillo................!!!!!!!!

Why limit the subject?
Why limit yourself!

st.helier

"cybercat" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Dave" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
>> combo
>> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
>> consider
>> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
> Australian reds, california whites. French wines seem thin to me, either
> too dry and flimsy bodied or in the case of wines like Vouvray and other
> desert wines too syrupy. Australian reds (shiraz is my favorite table wine
> but I like most of them) seem better balanced. I also like one Hungarian
> wine called Egri Bikaver (Bull's Blood of Eger) that is a dry,
> full-bodied, blood red wine. The most suckass wines of all time are German
> wines, for me. The very best I have had were Spatlese or Auschlese, way
> too sweet. I have not had a wide variety of German wines. I do like
> Gewurtztraminer as a desert wine, it is at least spicy enough to offset
> the inherent sweetness.
>
I agree with all of what you just said, apart from the Hungarian, which I've
never tasted.
German wines always seem to have a flowery taste, and I've never tried a
nice French wine, although I haven't tried the more expensive ones.
My favorite is a South African Shiraz or Merlot though. They do some great
rich full bodied fruity wines that seem to just pip the Australian wines.
(Waving to Cathy and ducking from Peter L!)

Sarah

"Lord St.Helier of Gondwana" >
wrote:

> The very best Cabernet Sauvignon / Merlot / "Bordeaux variety"
> blended wines I have consumed have been French - however, I have
> had some excellent examples from California and Australia.
> The very best sparkling wines have been French - No other region
> or country gets within cooeee of Champagne.
> I have had some stunningly superb Syrah (Shiraz) from Australia
> and New Zealand - but, again, the very best experiences I have
> had have been from the Rhone.
> What about Riesling - such an array of styles - and so difficult
> to compare the wines of Alsace and Germany. But, in my mind,
> again, the very best Riesling I have consumed was French.
> Pinot Noir - Burgundy makes Burgundy - NZ in my mind now makes
> the best expression of the grape (but I am biased)
> Chardonnay - IME - the finest I have consumed was from Western
> Australia - I have yet to experience the epiphany which is
> Chablis or Bourgogne. Gewürztraminer - Alsace and NZ
> Sauvignon Blanc - NZ (Marlborough) may now be the spiritual home
> - but the best experience I had was - again - French.
> And sweet wines - France - but one cannot ignore Germany and
> Australia and Canada.
> Fortified - Spain, Portugal, Hungary and Australia!
> Zinfandel - California
> Nebbiolo, Sangiovese, Malbec, Tempranillo...

Quite obviously Austria is totally unknown in NZ.

Let me tell you that Austria can make wines in major league
quality in the Riesling, Sauvignon, and sweet (Kracher!)
departments, and that furthermore with Grüner Veltliner we
have an absolutely unique world class white grape variety.

M.

Dave > wrote:

> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a combo of
> all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or consider is
> superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

This kind of generalisation is nonsense, I'm afraid.

Victor

sf > wrote:

> I think most wines are best as close to the source as possible.
> Transportation introduces too many risks to quality.

You are in San Francisco, right? Buy your wines from Kermit Lynch (in
Berkeley).

Victor

In article >,
(Victor Sack) wrote:

> Dave > wrote:
>
> > Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a combo of
> > all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or consider is
> > superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
> This kind of generalisation is nonsense, I'm afraid.
>
> Victor

I agree. I am no wine expert, but when I am deciding which wine to buy,
its usually based on factors other than the wine's origin. When I dine
at a restaurant with friends though, we typically gravitate toward one
of the Australian reds because of the value and the flavor.

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
>> This kind of generalisation is nonsense, I'm afraid.
>>
>> Victor
>
> I agree. I am no wine expert, but when I am deciding which wine to buy,
> its usually based on factors other than the wine's origin. When I dine
> at a restaurant with friends though, we typically gravitate toward one
> of the Australian reds because of the value and the flavor.

Agree on the generalizations. Dumb.

If I'm dining locally, I often buy a local wine if offered. There are some
rather good ones produced within 75 miles or so.

I just re-stocked my supply for lunch at work and bought some Australian
because it is a good value.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:31:21 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>
>"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
>>> This kind of generalisation is nonsense, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>
>> I agree. I am no wine expert, but when I am deciding which wine to buy,
>> its usually based on factors other than the wine's origin. When I dine
>> at a restaurant with friends though, we typically gravitate toward one
>> of the Australian reds because of the value and the flavor.
>
>Agree on the generalizations. Dumb.
>
>If I'm dining locally, I often buy a local wine if offered. There are some
>rather good ones produced within 75 miles or so.
>
>I just re-stocked my supply for lunch at work and bought some Australian
>because it is a good value.

Wow! You can drink at work?

Lou <--jealous

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave >
wrote:

>Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
>combo
>of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
>consider
>is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

I like Australian reds. I'd say my favorite would be Rosemount Estate
Merlot. It's also a great value. That said I've had wines from many
other places that I've also enjoyed. I've had wine from Missouri and
Michigan that were both very good.

Lou

"Lou Decruss" > wrote in message
>>I just re-stocked my supply for lunch at work and bought some Australian
>>because it is a good value.
>
> Wow! You can drink at work?
>
> Lou <--jealous

Sure, why not? Some meals just cry out for a glass of wine so we keep a
half dozen bottles on hand. We don't allow those in the shop or around
machines to indulge though. The joys of working for a small company for a
long time. I also come and go as I please and take as much vacation as I
want.

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave >
wrote:

> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.


I don't prefer either. Both places make some outstanding wines and
both places make some plonk. The same is true of many other places.

I drink wines that come from all over the world: California, France,
Italy, Germany, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Australia, New Zealand,
Chile, Argentina, and occasionally a few others. I choose the wine
based on things like its price and the quality I expect from (either
because of its reputation or because I know the wine) the *particular*
wine, not where it comes from.

I strongly recommend that you do the same. Choose your wines
individually, not by country.

--
Ken Blake
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Dave wrote:
> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.


Why French or California? There are lots of other places that produce
great wines. Different regions sometimes make superior wines with some
grape varieties but no so great with other. Sometimes the soil and
climates are identical but the winemakers use better or worse methods.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:42:13 +0200, (Victor Sack)
wrote:

>sf > wrote:
>
>> I think most wines are best as close to the source as possible.
>> Transportation introduces too many risks to quality.
>
>You are in San Francisco, right? Buy your wines from Kermit Lynch (in
>Berkeley).
>
Don't get me wrong, I *like* French wines, but I buy locally. If I
was on the East Coast, I'd be buying French wines because I don't
think California wines are transported very well. I've ordered
California wines I know and love when visiting the Right Coast in the
past and was greatly disappointed. I have no preconceived notions of
what to expect when tasting French wines, I just enjoy them.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Christine Dabney wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 18:39:35 +1200, bob in nz
> > wrote:
>
>> I prefer New Zealand whites because they're divine.
>
> Yes, they are. I so love them too....
>
> Christine

Tritto. The best white wine I've ever savored was, hands down, an NZ
white. Having said that, I do remember being pleasantly surprised by
some German wines I had - surprised because they tended to be on the
sweet side, and like Christine, I'm usually a "dry" girl (heh heh heh).

TammyM

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:13:09 +0200, Steve Y >
wrote:

>There is no such thing as Californian wine, it's just grape juice surely ;-)
>
>Steve
>(Sitting on the western edge of the Beaujolais)
>
Ow, that hurts! However, you could be right. I like it fruit forward
and steel aged for every day drinking.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:08:17 +1200, "Lord St.Helier of Gondwana"
> wrote:

>Why limit the subject?

To make a comparison, that's why.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:31:21 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
wrote:

>I just re-stocked my supply for lunch at work and bought some Australian
>because it is a good value.

Are you self employed? As much as I enjoy drinking, I need a nap if I
drink in the middle of the day.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Dave wrote:
> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
> combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
> consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.

My husband does most of the wine drinking in the house. He tends to
chose Italian, Chilean and Australian wines.

That said, I recently discovered a very nice French rose - Domaine
Houchart du Provence. It is very dry but fruity at the same time. I am
not a wine expert. I drink what I think tastes good to me. This
particular wine is 10.99 a bottle which is more than I usually pay for
wine but it is so good. I bought a case at 20 percent off.

Tracy

"Tracy" > wrote in message
...
> Dave wrote:
>> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
>> combo
>> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
>> consider
>> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
> My husband does most of the wine drinking in the house. He tends to chose
> Italian, Chilean and Australian wines.
>
> That said, I recently discovered a very nice French rose - Domaine
> Houchart du Provence. It is very dry but fruity at the same time. I am not
> a wine expert. I drink what I think tastes good to me. This particular
> wine is 10.99 a bottle which is more than I usually pay for wine but it is
> so good. I bought a case at 20 percent off.
>

I love rose! It was more in vogue in the 1970s. I think the wine community
does not really consider it "real wine" or something like that. I also drink
what I like.

Steel aged ? As in the barrel ? For his good stufff, our tame vigneron
uses oak barrels that he buys in second hand from Bordeaux. I suppose
the main vats have stainless steel liners, must check next time we go
over there

S

sf wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:13:09 +0200, Steve Y >
> wrote:
>
>> There is no such thing as Californian wine, it's just grape juice surely ;-)
>>
>> Steve
>> (Sitting on the western edge of the Beaujolais)
>>
> Ow, that hurts! However, you could be right. I like it fruit forward
> and steel aged for every day drinking.
>

"Victor Sack" > wrote in message
...
> Dave > wrote:
>
>> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a combo of
>> all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or consider is
>> superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
> This kind of generalisation is nonsense, I'm afraid.
>

I don't think so. It may not be the best question, but truly, even with
regular samplings of French wine, over many years, there have been none I
really like. Other generalizations that are less subjective: Italians can
make passable red wine, but their whites are often dismal. All regions.
Though I did have a nice Pisan pinot grigio in Florence. But it was hot and
I was tired and thirsty, too.

"Ophelia" > wrote
>
> I always choose Italian wine. I am never disappointed. I don't know how
> well it travels because no one seems to have commented on it, but do try
> some if you get the chance.
>

Which ones do you like?

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave >
> wrote:
>
>>Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
>>combo
>>of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
>>consider
>>is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
> I think most wines are best as close to the source as possible.
> Transportation introduces too many risks to quality.
>

Good point.

"Sarah" > wrote
> My favorite is a South African Shiraz or Merlot though. They do some great
> rich full bodied fruity wines that seem to just pip the Australian wines.

I will look for this. Any particular brand?

> Dave wrote:
>
> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a combo
> of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or consider
> is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
>

I prefer NYS wines, especially those from Lung Guyland vineyards... I
believe in supporting local business, that's reason enough.... and I've
never noticed any difference in wine based on geographicals, all wines pee
out the same... well, all CA wine is really Eyetalian implants, and French
wine always pees out a vaginal uretha... actually CA wine swings both ways!
LOL

sf > wrote:

> (Victor Sack) wrote:
>
> >You are in San Francisco, right? Buy your wines from Kermit Lynch (in
> >Berkeley).
> >
> Don't get me wrong, I *like* French wines, but I buy locally. If I
> was on the East Coast, I'd be buying French wines because I don't
> think California wines are transported very well. I've ordered
> California wines I know and love when visiting the Right Coast in the
> past and was greatly disappointed. I have no preconceived notions of
> what to expect when tasting French wines, I just enjoy them.

Transport (not transportation, unless Australia is in play) of wines is
only one problem. This problem is avoided by shipping wines in
temperature-contolled containers. Kermit Lynch is a pioneer of such
shipping. If you buy wines - any wines, no matter their provenience -
directly from his shop, you can be sure they will be at their best
condition. There are way more problems with getting a decent bottle of
wine than its mere transport. Storage is an even greater problem,
because wines must be stored at appropriate temperatures, particularly
to avoid freezing or overheating. When wines are stored outside or at
warehouses which are not temperature-controlled, they very often get
damaged. Even supermarket or shop shelves can be a problem. It makes
no difference in this respect if you buy a locally produced wine, or one
imported from elsewhere. Winemakers are perfectly well aware of this
problem and often produce wines designed to withstand at least some of
the problems. Pasteurisation, reverse osmosis, excessive filtering or
fining are some of the methods employed. That is why the bulk of
supermarket wines are very much alike everywhere in the world. They all
tend to taste the same, even if made from different cultivars. Such
wines are designed to be inoffensive and to appeal to the lowest common
denominator. (Much of the resposibility for developing such methods is
born by the University of California at Davis, i.e. by the evil Princess
Tam Tam personally, no doubt). Artisanal wines, on the other hand, are
fragile almost by definition, and need careful handling throughout, not
just during shipping.

To summarise: buy your wine from a trusted source; provenience of the
wine is of little importance.

Victor

On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 03:05:35 -0500, Omelet >
shouted from the highest rooftop:

>In article >,
> bob in nz > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 22:58:02 -0700 (PDT), Dave >
>> shouted from the highest rooftop:
>>
>> >Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a
>> >combo of all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or
>> >consider is superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>>
>> Neither.
>>
>> I prefer Australian reds because they're big, rich and very tasty.
>>
>> I prefer New Zealand whites because they're divine.
>
>Argentina also makes some very good wines.

So do Chile and South Africa. But the reds and whites they export
don't compare to the Australia reds or New Zealand whites IMO.


--

una cerveza mas por favor ...

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~
Wax-up and drop-in of Surfing's Golden Years: <http://www.surfwriter.net>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~

Victor Sack wrote:
> Dave > wrote:
>
>> Whether for technical, taste related, or financial reasons (or a combo of
>> all those) what do you currently much prefer to drink and/or consider is
>> superior, French wines or Californian wines and please say why.
>
> This kind of generalisation is nonsense, I'm afraid.

In general, yes. However, sometimes one can't help but observe some
generalities. For example, I have noticed that in the domain of the
cheap wines on the American market (less than $5 to $10 per bottle), I
invariably like wines coming from the Atlantic seaboard (and associated
seas, like the Mediterranean), much better than wines coming from the
Pacific. I have yet to try a cheap California wine that I can drink.
Same goes for Chile and Australia. NZ wines are great, but they are not
cheap, unfortunately.
On the other hand, lots of cheap Italian, French and even Spanish
wines are quite drinkable, not to mention Argentinian, and some (but
very few) South African. Long Island wines I like too, even though the
cheap ones are in the high end of the "cheap" bracket.
My $0.02.

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"sf" > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:31:21 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" >
> wrote:
>
>>I just re-stocked my supply for lunch at work and bought some Australian
>>because it is a good value.
>
> Are you self employed? As much as I enjoy drinking, I need a nap if I
> drink in the middle of the day.
>

No, I'm not but I can (and do) take a nap at times. A couple of our offices
have sofas in them. Our office staff consists of two owners, general
manager (me), an admistrator and assistant. The building we bought has more
office space than we can ever use. For the five of us, there are seven
offices, two conference rooms, break room, three bathrooms (one with
shower), display area, meeting area, storage rooms and more. We have 12 to
15 production employees also on two, sometimes three shifts.