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Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> ChattyCathy polled: > >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com > > My turn for the TFH! I'd like #12, please. > > Bob It's yours.. <g> -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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ChattyCathy said...
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com There are two AC outlets next to each other where the MW sits. The 1,100 MW would constantly throw the circuit breaker until I finally figured out one of them was a 240 volt circuit! Andy Voter #2 |
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Andy said...
> ChattyCathy said... > >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com > > > There are two AC outlets next to each other where the MW sits. The 1,100 > MW would constantly throw the circuit breaker until I finally figured > out one of them was a 240 volt circuit! > > Andy > Voter #2 I wish I had a photo for the Pet Gallery! I hadn't notice that section. My Annabelle, the Jack Russel Terror! My best pet ever!!! RIP. ![]() r.f.c pet #1!!! Andy <sniffle> |
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ChattyCathy wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com Ack! I need to rescind my vote, I made a mistake. I counted my outlets yet totally forgot the outlet in the appliance garage. This means I answered two questions incorrectly. I do leave the coffee maker and the toaster plugged in in the garage. I believe those are the two appliances they recommend you do not leave plugged in, and they are the only two I do. nancy |
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Andy wrote:
> ChattyCathy said... > >> http://www.recfoodcooking.com > > > There are two AC outlets next to each other where the MW sits. The > 1,100 MW would constantly throw the circuit breaker until I finally > figured out one of them was a 240 volt circuit! Ah. I thought (most) small kitchen appliances in the USA run off 110v (or thereabouts) - guess I was wrong. Do you use/need the 240v outlet for anything? We have 6 outlets in our kitchen - but two of them are situated in quite an awkward (for me) spot. So I have an extension 'block' plugged in that gets used sometimes - e.g. for the blender or the juicer (in a more accessible spot). The tea kettle and our small toaster are *always* plugged in. <g> -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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ChattyCathy said...
> Andy wrote: > >> ChattyCathy said... >> >>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com >> >> >> There are two AC outlets next to each other where the MW sits. The >> 1,100 MW would constantly throw the circuit breaker until I finally >> figured out one of them was a 240 volt circuit! > > Ah. I thought (most) small kitchen appliances in the USA run off 110v > (or thereabouts) - guess I was wrong. Do you use/need the 240v outlet > for anything? > > We have 6 outlets in our kitchen - but two of them are situated in quite > an awkward (for me) spot. So I have an extension 'block' plugged in > that gets used sometimes - e.g. for the blender or the juicer (in a > more accessible spot). The tea kettle and our small toaster are > *always* plugged in. <g> Cathy, Yep! The 1,100 watt microwave and the 6,000 watt indoor bbq-grill. A plugged in tea kettle?? Since when?? Andy |
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![]() ChattyCathy wrote: > > http://www.recfoodcooking.com > -- > Cheers > Chatty Cathy 14 general purpose accessible receptacles, all are 20A receptacles on 20A circuits. Doesn't count the dedicated refrigerator and microwave receptacles. |
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Pete C. wrote:
> > 14 general purpose accessible receptacles, all are 20A receptacles on > 20A circuits. Doesn't count the dedicated refrigerator and microwave > receptacles. I'm jealous. -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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ChattyCathy said...
> Pete C. wrote: >> >> 14 general purpose accessible receptacles, all are 20A receptacles on >> 20A circuits. Doesn't count the dedicated refrigerator and microwave >> receptacles. > > I'm jealous. Did I goof up volts for amps?? I think I might've. Andy |
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ChattyCathy wrote:
> Andy wrote: > >> ChattyCathy said... >> >>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com >> >> There are two AC outlets next to each other where the MW sits. The >> 1,100 MW would constantly throw the circuit breaker until I finally >> figured out one of them was a 240 volt circuit! > > Ah. I thought (most) small kitchen appliances in the USA run off 110v > (or thereabouts) - guess I was wrong. Do you use/need the 240v outlet > for anything? > > We have 6 outlets in our kitchen - but two of them are situated in quite > an awkward (for me) spot. So I have an extension 'block' plugged in > that gets used sometimes - e.g. for the blender or the juicer (in a > more accessible spot). The tea kettle and our small toaster are > *always* plugged in. <g> I have three outlets in my kitchen. One on each end of my counter and one on the opposite wall where the micro sits on a cart. My kettle is plugged in at one end and the toaster at the other. I usually leave them all plugged in. Sometimes I unplug the toaster. My coffee maker was always plugged in - until I tossed it recently. I am currently without a coffee maker but I am ok with it for now. I mostly only drink iced in the summer so I have been making the cold brew extract posted here recently. It works really well and I don't need to add half and half to it. It tastes good without it. Tracy |
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Andy wrote:
> ChattyCathy said... >> >> Ah. I thought (most) small kitchen appliances in the USA run off 110v >> (or thereabouts) - guess I was wrong. Do you use/need the 240v outlet >> for anything? > Yep! > > The 1,100 watt microwave and the 6,000 watt indoor bbq-grill. Ah, OK. Now I gettit. > > A plugged in tea kettle?? Since when?? <g> You know me and my cuppa tea... Luckily our tea kettle has it's own independent 'cut off' switch; as soon as the water boils it cuts the power from the mains. -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> > Ack! I need to rescind my vote, I made a mistake. > > I counted my outlets yet totally forgot the outlet in the appliance > garage. This means I answered two questions incorrectly. I do > leave the coffee maker and the toaster plugged in in the garage. Ah well, can't say I blame you - one tends to forget these things when they're 'outta sight, outta mind'. > > I believe those are the two appliances they recommend you do not > leave plugged in, and they are the only two I do. Obviously hasn't done any harm... <g> -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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Andy wrote:
> > Did I goof up volts for amps?? > > I think I might've. Don't think so... my MW manual says: Power input: 230 V AC / 50Hz -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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ChattyCathy > wrote: > Ah. I thought (most) small kitchen appliances in the USA run off 110v > (or thereabouts) - guess I was wrong. Do you use/need the 240v outlet > for anything? My electric stove has always been connected to a 220v circuit. The rest are 110v. > We have 6 outlets in our kitchen - The best outlet in my kitchen is located on the vertical end of the peninsula counter. One of the two best things I did when we remodeled the kitchen umpteen years ago. -- -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Yes, I Can! blog - check it out Updated 8-3-2009 |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:52:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote: >http://www.recfoodcooking.com When we redid the kitchen we added two new 20A circuits, each with one duplex outlet and one "four"plex outlet. It's difficult to have too many circuits or too many outlets. I answered MCINL to the question re extension cords. Although I don't use an "extension cord" per se, I do have a 3 foot long power strip, plugged permanently into an outlet. It's mounted under the upper cabinets so that it's not too unsightly; in fact it's pretty hard to see at all. It services the toaster (plugged in all the time) and small appliances; food processor, blender, etc. Very convenient. Best -- Terry |
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ChattyCathy said...
> Andy wrote: > > >> >> Did I goof up volts for amps?? >> >> I think I might've. > > Don't think so... my MW manual says: > > Power input: 230 V AC / 50Hz OK. Thanks! Except the 230? Where are you getting your info? From 2D Jack?? ? [waving] Best, Andy |
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Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> My electric stove has always been connected to a 220v circuit. The > rest are 110v. Makes sense. > >> We have 6 outlets in our kitchen - > > The best outlet in my kitchen is located on the vertical end of the > peninsula counter. One of the two best things I did when we remodeled > the kitchen umpteen years ago. > Yep, the advantages doing of a remodel, you can have stuff exactly where you want it. Unfortunately my current kitchen was designed by somebody else - and I still can't figure out why they put a couple of the outlets where they did (and why they didn't put them on the opposite wall instead)... -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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ChattyCathy > wrote in message
... > http://www.recfoodcooking.com I have the fridge, m/w, island, and garbage disposal on their own dedicated circuits. I had to persuade the electrician on this point since he wanted to provide us 8 outlets throughout the kitchen on two 15-amp circuit breakers. I then explained how much cooking we did and how many appliances would be running simultaneously. It would be unfortunate to have half or all the kitchen going down if I ran, oh say the m/w and the mixer together or the Cuisinart and a warmer. Or had to run the disposal during such time and couldn't. We had already btdt with the previous kitchen. I didn't want to repeat it. Plus, I didn't understand why he was planning on putting the fridge on the same circuit as the m/w... I got what I wanted in the end and haven't experienced any power issues since. The Ranger |
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Andy wrote:
> > OK. Thanks! Except the 230? > > Where are you getting your info? From 2D Jack?? ? [waving] > > Best, > > Andy Hi Andy some bright sparks re-defined 220 on some countries from 220 +/- 10% to 230 -10%/+5% - max is still 240 or thereabouts, but you can get away with a few less milliAmps over the wire 2D-Jack |
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ChattyCathy wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote: >> >> Ack! I need to rescind my vote, I made a mistake. >> >> I counted my outlets yet totally forgot the outlet in the appliance >> garage. This means I answered two questions incorrectly. I do >> leave the coffee maker and the toaster plugged in in the garage. > > Ah well, can't say I blame you - one tends to forget these things when > they're 'outta sight, outta mind'. You know I was thinking about something else ... I mean, the 'do you leave things plugged in' should have jogged my memory. >> I believe those are the two appliances they recommend you do not >> leave plugged in, and they are the only two I do. > > Obviously hasn't done any harm... <g> Yet. (laugh) I had my kitchen remodelled some 12 years ago, maybe more. I only counted the outlets over the countertops, I have an eat-in kitchen so there are more. Code where I live requires there be an outlet every six feet or so, I think that's pretty common. I have more outlets than I could reasonably use. nancy |
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Terry wrote:
> When we redid the kitchen we added two new 20A circuits, each with one > duplex outlet and one "four"plex outlet. I have to point out that what I know about electricity is pretty dismal... but I do know we have 3-phase power out here in the boonies. Luckily my DH Jack knows how it all works - and I haven't had anything 'trip' or go up in smoke in the kitchen since we moved here ;-) > It's difficult to have too many circuits or too many outlets. I can agree with that! > > I answered MCINL to the question re extension cords. Although I don't > use an "extension cord" per se, I do have a 3 foot long power strip, > plugged permanently into an outlet. It's mounted under the upper > cabinets so that it's not too unsightly; in fact it's pretty hard to > see at all. It services the toaster (plugged in all the time) and > small appliances; food processor, blender, etc. Very convenient. Yeah, I think I know the ones you mean... but I just have one of those extensions with a cable and a 'block' on it that can take three 3-pin plugs and three 2-pin plugs. -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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jack said...
> Andy wrote: >> >> OK. Thanks! Except the 230? >> >> Where are you getting your info? From 2D Jack?? ? [waving] >> >> Best, >> >> Andy > > Hi Andy > > some bright sparks re-defined 220 on some countries from 220 +/- 10% to > 230 -10%/+5% - max is still 240 or thereabouts, but you can get away > with a few less milliAmps over the wire > > 2D-Jack 2D Jack, Is that YOU?? Hi!!! Andy |
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On Aug 6, 8:52*am, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> http://www.recfoodcooking.com > -- > Cheers > Chatty Cathy I have 9 counting the 220V for the electric stove, the refrigerator (used only for that) and whatever the microwave uses (the outlet is hidden). When I remodeled 3 years ago, the nuker got mounted above the stove along with a self-contained exhaust fan. No small electric appliances are left plugged in all the time. I seldom make coffee at home; the mixer is in the corner of the counter, but plugged in only when I use it. The toaster oven is plugged in only when I use it. The atomic clock is battery-operated. N. |
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Nancy Young wrote:
> I had my kitchen remodelled some 12 years ago, maybe > more. I only counted the outlets over the countertops, I have an > eat-in > kitchen so there are more. Code where I live requires there be an > outlet every six feet or so, I think that's pretty common. I have > more outlets than I could reasonably use. > I have absolutely no idea what the code here is these days. The house we live in now must be about 20 years old, so I think that six electrical outlets in the kitchen were probably OK back then... Gawd, I remember a tiny apartment I lived in when I first started working and 'ventured out of the nest' - there were exactly two electrical outlets in that kitchen (and the fridge was permanently plugged into one of them). That left me the other one for everything else. Mind you, the kitchen was *really* small - if you tried to fit more than one person in there at a time, you had a problem <grin> -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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sf > wrote in message
news ![]() > He doesn't sound qualified to be an electrician. Is he still in business? Yes. Would I use him again? No. The Ranger |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:52:16 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote: >http://www.recfoodcooking.com If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 and a half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. Now I have sockets wherever I need them. Yahoo! I may have answered too few appliances too... I haven't put my coffee maker back on the counter as a permanent fixture yet - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all the time. Does it count as a permanent appliance? I see you're not counting a microwave... why? It takes up counter space. -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:04:33 -0700, "The Ranger" <cuhulain _
> wrote: >sf > wrote in message >news ![]() > >> He doesn't sound qualified to be an electrician. > >Is he still in business? Yes. Yikes. >Would I use him again? No. > -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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sf wrote:
> > If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 and a > half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. Now I have sockets > wherever I need them. Yahoo! Lucky fish! <g> > I may have answered too few appliances > too... I haven't put my coffee maker back on the counter as a > permanent fixture yet - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all the > time. Does it count as a permanent appliance? I see you're not > counting a microwave... why? I excluded MWs because most people leave them plugged in permanently (or they can't get to the outlet to unplug it without moving the whole MW out of the way)... that's why I stipulated 'small' appliances too - ya know, like blenders, FPs, mixers, toasters, kettles, etc. > It takes up counter space. > Not always.... I've seen a lot of kitchens where MWs have a 'built-in' alcove/shelf above the counter. There's one in my kitchen as a matter of fact, but unfortunately it was designed for a smaller MW - so we use the alcove for other stuff. Anyway, because of this my MW has to take up counter space - but I still leave it plugged in permanently. -- Cheers Chatty Cathy |
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sf wrote on Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:05:14 -0700:
>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com > If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 > and a half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. Now I > have sockets wherever I need them. Yahoo! I may have > answered too few appliances too... I haven't put my coffee > maker back on the counter as a permanent fixture yet - but I > keep my phone charger plugged in all the time. Does it count > as a permanent appliance? I see you're not counting a > microwave... why? It takes up counter space. I only have three minor appliances permanently plugged in: the toaster, the rice cooker and the coffee maker, tho my small food processor and the hot tray are always out as are the coffee grinder and the stick blender since I tend to use these quite a few times a week. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:20:49 +0200, ChattyCathy
> wrote: >sf wrote: > >> I may have answered too few appliances >> too... I haven't put my coffee maker back on the counter as a >> permanent fixture yet - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all the >> time. Does it count as a permanent appliance? I see you're not >> counting a microwave... why? > >I excluded MWs because most people leave them plugged in permanently (or >they can't get to the outlet to unplug it without moving the whole MW >out of the way)... that's why I stipulated 'small' appliances too - ya >know, like blenders, FPs, mixers, toasters, kettles, etc. > >> It takes up counter space. >> >Not always.... I've seen a lot of kitchens where MWs have a 'built-in' >alcove/shelf above the counter. There's one in my kitchen as a matter >of fact, but unfortunately it was designed for a smaller MW - so we use >the alcove for other stuff. Anyway, because of this my MW has to take >up counter space - but I still leave it plugged in permanently. My food processor is on the counter 24/7, but it's not plugged in. It even has it's own special socket now - no more extension chords. My MW is a "half pint", not a monstrosity like yours - but it sits on the counter and is plugged in 24/7 as is the toaster (AND the tv). My counters are still relatively clear and I'm hoping to keep it that way now that I have roll out shelves (so I don't have to dig around to find stuff anymore). -- I love cooking with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
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"sf" > wrote in message
... > On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:52:16 +0200, ChattyCathy > > wrote: > >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com > > If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 and a > half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. Now I have sockets > wherever I need them. Yahoo! I may have answered too few appliances > too... I haven't put my coffee maker back on the counter as a > permanent fixture yet - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all the > time. Does it count as a permanent appliance? I see you're not > counting a microwave... why? It takes up counter space. > Not all microwaves take up counter space. Mine is mounted above my stove ![]() Jill |
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Michael "Dog3" wrote:
> "jmcquown" > > : in rec.food.cooking > >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:52:16 +0200, ChattyCathy >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com >>> If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 and a >>> half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. Now I have sockets >>> wherever I need them. Yahoo! I may have answered too few appliances >>> too... I haven't put my coffee maker back on the counter as a >>> permanent fixture yet - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all >>> the time. Does it count as a permanent appliance? I see you're not >>> counting a microwave... why? It takes up counter space. >>> >> Not all microwaves take up counter space. Mine is mounted above my >> stove ![]() > > When we remodeled the kitchen we put in one above the stove as well. We > like it so much better and it really does free up a lot of counter space. > > Michael > My old place had the micro above the stove. I agree it frees up counter space but I hated how dirty it got from cooking splatter, etc. Yes, I cleaned it, but it was a pain. When we remodel our kitchen in a few years I think I would like micro built in to the cabinetry - just not above the stove. Tracy |
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On Aug 6, 11:20*am, ChattyCathy > wrote:
> sf wrote: > > > If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 and a > > half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. *Now I have sockets > > wherever I need them. *Yahoo! * > > Lucky fish! <g> > > > I may have answered too few appliances > > too... I haven't put my coffee maker back on the counter as a > > permanent fixture yet - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all the > > time. *Does it count as a permanent appliance? *I see you're not > > counting a microwave... why? * > > I excluded MWs because most people leave them plugged in permanently (or > they can't get to the outlet to unplug it without moving the whole MW > out of the way)... that's why I stipulated 'small' appliances too - ya > know, like blenders, FPs, mixers, toasters, kettles, etc. > > > It takes up counter space. > > Not always.... I've seen a lot of kitchens where MWs have a 'built-in' > alcove/shelf above the counter. There's one in my kitchen as a matter > of fact, but unfortunately it was designed for a smaller MW - so we use > the alcove for other stuff. Anyway, because of this my MW has to take > up counter space - but I still leave it plugged in permanently. > -- > Cheers > Chatty Cathy And mine is mounted over the stove - under a cupboard - it's perfect...out of the way, easy to see into and clean...no drawbacks that I've found. N. |
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On Aug 6, 11:28*am, "James Silverton" >
wrote: > *sf *wrote *on Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:05:14 -0700: > > >>http://www.recfoodcooking.com > > If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 > > and a half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. *Now I > > have sockets wherever I need them. *Yahoo! *I may have > > answered too few appliances too... I haven't put my coffee > > maker back on the counter as a permanent fixture yet - but I > > keep my phone charger plugged in all the time. *Does it count > > as a permanent appliance? *I see you're not counting a > > microwave... why? *It takes up counter space. > > I only have three minor appliances permanently plugged in: the toaster, > the rice cooker and the coffee maker, tho my small food processor and > the hot tray are always out as are the coffee grinder and the stick > blender since I tend to use these quite a few times a week. > > -- > > James Silverton > Potomac, Maryland > The toaster may be minor in size and function, but it's not minor in being a fire hazard. I would hesitate to leave it plugged in all the time, myself. N. |
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![]() "Michael "Dog3"" > wrote in message ... > "jmcquown" > > : in rec.food.cooking > >> "sf" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:52:16 +0200, ChattyCathy >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>http://www.recfoodcooking.com >>> >>> If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been 3 and a >>> half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. Now I have sockets >>> wherever I need them. Yahoo! I may have answered too few appliances >>> too... I haven't put my coffee maker back on the counter as a >>> permanent fixture yet - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all >>> the time. Does it count as a permanent appliance? I see you're not >>> counting a microwave... why? It takes up counter space. >>> >> >> Not all microwaves take up counter space. Mine is mounted above my >> stove ![]() > > When we remodeled the kitchen we put in one above the stove as well. We > like it so much better and it really does free up a lot of counter space. > > Michael > > Except for the fridge, dishwasher, and electric stove all the recepticles in the typical kitchen are on the same 30A circuit, they are not intended to all be used at the same time and rarely would anyone have such an occasion, and depending on the appliances that would usually blow the breaker. All of the recepticles over my kitchen counters have something plugged in, including a 4W night light. I've never had a problem with plugging in another kitchen appliance because I simply unplug one not in use... when I use my meat grinder I unplug my toaster (that's the reason recepticles accomodate plugs). On the rare occasions I use my slow cooker I unplug my night light (there're two other night lights not far away), plus the pilot light on the slow cooker actually suffices. I can't imagine why an extention cord would be used for another kitchen appliance, and that dangling wire would present an unsafe condition, then it's time for an electrician to install more recepticles, depending on appliances used perhaps another separate circuit. Anyway it's very silly to survey how many recepticles folks have in their kitchens, there's nothing to compare, it's like comparing bras... kitchens and mammaries are different sizes. |
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Nancy2 wrote on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:30:24 -0700 (PDT):
> On Aug 6, 11:28 am, "James Silverton" > > wrote: >> sf wrote on Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:05:14 -0700: >> > >>> http://www.recfoodcooking.com > >> If this poll had came before May, my answer would have been > >> 3 and a half sockets (expanded) and an extension chord. > >> Now I have sockets wherever I need them. Yahoo! I may > >> have answered too few appliances too... I haven't put my > >> coffee maker back on the counter as a permanent fixture yet > >> - but I keep my phone charger plugged in all the time. > >> Does it count as a permanent appliance? I see you're not > >> counting a microwave... why? It takes up counter space. >> >> I only have three minor appliances permanently plugged in: the >> toaster, the rice cooker and the coffee maker, tho my small >> food processor and the hot tray are always out as are the >> coffee grinder and the stick blender since I tend to use >> these quite a few times a week. >> >> -- >> >> James Silverton >> Potomac, Maryland >> > The toaster may be minor in size and function, but it's not > minor in being a fire hazard. I would hesitate to leave it > plugged in all the time, myself. How on earth is it going to catch on fire with nothing in it? The same applies to the rice cooker of course. -- James Silverton Potomac, Maryland Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not |
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James Silverton wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:30:24 -0700 (PDT): >> The toaster may be minor in size and function, but it's not >> minor in being a fire hazard. I would hesitate to leave it >> plugged in all the time, myself. > > How on earth is it going to catch on fire with nothing in it? The same > applies to the rice cooker of course. It's the mechanism that turns it on that is prone to go on and sit there heating until it causes a fire. I'm sure you could google the details. nancy |
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