i. Observe the mouth movements of those who speak English well and try
to imitate them.

When you are watching television, observe the mouth movements of the
speakers. Repeat what they are saying, while imitating the intonation
and rhythm of their speech.


ii. Until you learn the correct intonation and rhythm of English, slow
your speech down.

If you speak too quickly, and with the wrong intonation and rhythm,
native speakers will have a hard time understanding you.
Don't worry about your listener getting impatient with your slow
speech -- it is more important that everything you say be understood.


iii. Listen to the 'music' of English.

Do not use the 'music' of your native language when you speak English.
Each language has its own way of 'singing'.


iv. Use the dictionary.

Try and familiarise yourself with the phonetic symbols of your
dictionary. Look up the correct pronunciation of words that are hard
for you to say.


v. Make a list of frequently used words that you find difficult to
pronounce and ask someone who speaks the language well to pronounce
them for you.

Record these words, listen to them and practice saying them. Listen
and read at the same time.


vi. Buy books on tape.

Record yourself reading some sections of the book. Compare the sound
of your English with that of the person reading the book on the tape.


vii. Pronounce the ending of each word.

Pay special attention to 'S' and 'ED' endings. This will help you
strengthen the mouth muscles that you use when you speak English.


viii. Read aloud in English for 15-20 minutes every day.

Research has shown it takes about three months of daily practice to
develop strong mouth muscles for speaking a new language.


ix. Record your own voice and listen for pronunciation mistakes.

Many people hate to hear the sound of their voice and avoid listening
to themselves speak. However, this is a very important exercise
because doing it will help you become conscious of the mistakes you
are making.


x. Be patient.

You can change the way you speak but it won't happen overnight. People
often expect instant results and give up too soon. You can change the
way you sound if you are willing to put some effort into it.

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:23:42 +0100, Eligia Czerwinski wrote:

What you say is true, my love, but one must recognize the
need first, I think. I am fortunate. I am a verbal chameleon.
I adapt within minutes to the intonations of the locals. IF I
can hear Magyarul, I can speak it properly.

Hearing the *music*, as you say, is all. Many Americans are
sick and tired of listening to Indians who learned their English
from the English, and therefore think they can speak American.

Or Australian, and so forth.

Like it or no, English is the major language of many critical
venues, including Flight COntrol and Finance. There is a
little tiff as to whether it should be American or Queen's
English.

But Brit. English spoken with a Bangladeshi accent, is
pretty much intelligible.

I laud your efforts to inform those who would speak
English, to study the intonation, and not just the
school books. There is a world of difference.

Alex, whose intonation of German, Slovak and
Hungarian still lacks much. Already nailed the
Brit-speak.

On Aug 15, 11:50*am, Chemiker > wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:23:42 +0100, Eligia Czerwinski wrote:
>
> What you say is true, my love, but one must recognize the
> need first, I think. I am fortunate. I am a verbal chameleon.
> I adapt within minutes to the intonations of the locals. IF I
> can hear Magyarul, I can speak it properly.
>
> Hearing the *music*, as you say, is all. Many Americans are
> sick and tired of listening to Indians who learned their English
> from the English, and therefore think they can speak American.
>
> Or Australian, and so forth.
>
> Like it or no, English is the major language of many critical
> venues, including Flight COntrol and Finance. There is a
> little tiff as to whether it should be American or Queen's
> English.
>
> But Brit. English spoken with a Bangladeshi accent, is
> pretty much intelligible.
>
> I laud your efforts to inform those who would speak
> English, to study the intonation, and not just the
> school books. There is a world of difference.
>
> Alex, whose intonation of German, Slovak and
> Hungarian still lacks much. Already nailed the
> Brit-speak.

Yeah but can you speak pig latin?

El Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:23:42 +0100, Eligia Czerwinski escribió:

> vi. Buy books on tape.

How quaint.

--
Pablo

On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:04:26 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> wrote:

>On Aug 15, 11:50*am, Chemiker > wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:23:42 +0100, Eligia Czerwinski wrote:
>>
>> What you say is true, my love, but one must recognize the
>> need first, I think. I am fortunate. I am a verbal chameleon.
>> I adapt within minutes to the intonations of the locals. IF I
>> can hear Magyarul, I can speak it properly.
>>
>> Hearing the *music*, as you say, is all. Many Americans are
>> sick and tired of listening to Indians who learned their English
>> from the English, and therefore think they can speak American.
>>
>> Or Australian, and so forth.
>>
>> Like it or no, English is the major language of many critical
>> venues, including Flight COntrol and Finance. There is a
>> little tiff as to whether it should be American or Queen's
>> English.
>>
>> But Brit. English spoken with a Bangladeshi accent, is
>> pretty much intelligible.
>>
>> I laud your efforts to inform those who would speak
>> English, to study the intonation, and not just the
>> school books. There is a world of difference.
>>
>> Alex, whose intonation of German, Slovak and
>> Hungarian still lacks much. Already nailed the
>> Brit-speak.
>
>Yeah but can you speak pig latin?

Yes, buy I never mastered Oppa-Goppa.

Alex, who meant UNintelligible, w/reference
to those stalwarts of the Indian SubCon speaking
Brit-English with their own native intonations,
over cheap Chinese-made head-sets, positioned
poorly, over chancy telephone lines to the US.

Using really crappy scripts to solve problems the
HelpDesk people never even experienced. Worst
I ever had was a problem replacing a HD in an
old Dell Laptop. NOBODY knew that the old,
failed disk contained a pinout adapter that HAD
to be retained to mate the new one to the Cptr.
Lacking, the new HD would not fit, because of the
wrong pinout. Not Dell, Not the Supplier, Not
WD. HelpDesker in India was so frustrated (it wasn't
in the flow-chart script) I could almost hear her
cry. I finally asked whether she had ever replaced
a HD in a computer. She admitted she had not.
She said that previous computer experience
was not a requirement for her job.....

I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.

Chemiker > wrote in message
...
[snip India-enhanced "help" tragedy]
> I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.

Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?

I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."

The Ranger

In article h>,
"The Ranger" <cuhulain _ > wrote:

> Chemiker > wrote in message
> ...
> [snip India-enhanced "help" tragedy]
> > I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.
>
> Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?
>
> I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
> think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."
>
> The Ranger

API?
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:13:30 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article h>,
> "The Ranger" <cuhulain _ > wrote:
>
>> Chemiker > wrote in message
>> ...
>> [snip India-enhanced "help" tragedy]
>> > I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.
>>
>> Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?
>>
>> I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
>> think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."
>>
>> The Ranger
>
>API?

It's beer.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:

>>> Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?
>>>
>>> I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
>>> think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."
>>>
>>> The Ranger
>>
>> API?
>
> It's beer.

Sure that's not supposed to be IPA? I'm not aware of any beer called API.

Bob

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:39:57 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>>>> Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?
>>>>
>>>> I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
>>>> think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."
>>>>
>>>> The Ranger
>>>
>>> API?
>>
>> It's beer.
>
>Sure that's not supposed to be IPA? I'm not aware of any beer called API.
>
By George, you're right! Oh, well... I understood the context. I get
points for that.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
>> It's beer.
>
> Sure that's not supposed to be IPA? I'm not aware of any beer called API.
>
> Bob

All Purpose Inebriator?

The Ranger wrote:
> Chemiker > wrote in message
> ...
> [snip India-enhanced "help" tragedy]
>> I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.
>
> Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?
>
> I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
> think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."
>
> The Ranger
>
>
I worked for five years in a community with 149 nationalities in it,
some I had never heard of before. After a couple of years you get used
to whatever form of English they used. Had trouble with American
southern accents when I came home. I had been listening to so many chi
chi accents for so long.

I called tech service for a cell phone we use, they were Americans in an
American city. Shocked the hell out of me.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
>>> It's beer.
>>
>> Sure that's not supposed to be IPA? I'm not aware of any beer called
>> API.
>>
>> Bob
>
> All Purpose Inebriator?

<laugh> Good one.
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:13:30 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >In article h>,
> > "The Ranger" <cuhulain _ > wrote:
> >
> >> Chemiker > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> [snip India-enhanced "help" tragedy]
> >> > I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.
> >>
> >> Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?
> >>
> >> I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
> >> think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."
> >>
> >> The Ranger
> >
> >API?
>
> It's beer.

Oh. Thanks!
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Chemiker wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:04:26 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
> > wrote:
>
>> On Aug 15, 11:50 am, Chemiker > wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:23:42 +0100, Eligia Czerwinski wrote:
>>>
>>> What you say is true, my love, but one must recognize the
>>> need first, I think. I am fortunate. I am a verbal chameleon.
>>> I adapt within minutes to the intonations of the locals. IF I
>>> can hear Magyarul, I can speak it properly.
>>>
>>> Hearing the *music*, as you say, is all. Many Americans are
>>> sick and tired of listening to Indians who learned their English
>>> from the English, and therefore think they can speak American.
>>>
>>> Or Australian, and so forth.
>>>
>>> Like it or no, English is the major language of many critical
>>> venues, including Flight COntrol and Finance. There is a
>>> little tiff as to whether it should be American or Queen's
>>> English.
>>>
>>> But Brit. English spoken with a Bangladeshi accent, is
>>> pretty much intelligible.
>>>
>>> I laud your efforts to inform those who would speak
>>> English, to study the intonation, and not just the
>>> school books. There is a world of difference.
>>>
>>> Alex, whose intonation of German, Slovak and
>>> Hungarian still lacks much. Already nailed the
>>> Brit-speak.
>> Yeah but can you speak pig latin?
>
> Yes, buy I never mastered Oppa-Goppa.
>
> Alex, who meant UNintelligible, w/reference
> to those stalwarts of the Indian SubCon speaking
> Brit-English with their own native intonations,
> over cheap Chinese-made head-sets, positioned
> poorly, over chancy telephone lines to the US.
>
> Using really crappy scripts to solve problems the
> HelpDesk people never even experienced. Worst
> I ever had was a problem replacing a HD in an
> old Dell Laptop. NOBODY knew that the old,
> failed disk contained a pinout adapter that HAD
> to be retained to mate the new one to the Cptr.
> Lacking, the new HD would not fit, because of the
> wrong pinout. Not Dell, Not the Supplier, Not
> WD. HelpDesker in India was so frustrated (it wasn't
> in the flow-chart script) I could almost hear her
> cry. I finally asked whether she had ever replaced
> a HD in a computer. She admitted she had not.
> She said that previous computer experience
> was not a requirement for her job.....
>
> I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.

Buy Dell computers as a "small business" You get on-shore help desk.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

Janet Wilder wrote:
> Chemiker wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:04:26 -0700 (PDT), Chemo the Clown
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 15, 11:50 am, Chemiker > wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:23:42 +0100, Eligia Czerwinski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What you say is true, my love, but one must recognize the
>>>> need first, I think. I am fortunate. I am a verbal chameleon.
>>>> I adapt within minutes to the intonations of the locals. IF I
>>>> can hear Magyarul, I can speak it properly.
>>>>
>>>> Hearing the *music*, as you say, is all. Many Americans are
>>>> sick and tired of listening to Indians who learned their English
>>>> from the English, and therefore think they can speak American.
>>>>
>>>> Or Australian, and so forth.
>>>>
>>>> Like it or no, English is the major language of many critical
>>>> venues, including Flight COntrol and Finance. There is a
>>>> little tiff as to whether it should be American or Queen's
>>>> English.
>>>>
>>>> But Brit. English spoken with a Bangladeshi accent, is
>>>> pretty much intelligible.
>>>>
>>>> I laud your efforts to inform those who would speak
>>>> English, to study the intonation, and not just the
>>>> school books. There is a world of difference.
>>>>
>>>> Alex, whose intonation of German, Slovak and
>>>> Hungarian still lacks much. Already nailed the
>>>> Brit-speak.
>>> Yeah but can you speak pig latin?
>>
>> Yes, buy I never mastered Oppa-Goppa.
>>
>> Alex, who meant UNintelligible, w/reference
>> to those stalwarts of the Indian SubCon speaking
>> Brit-English with their own native intonations,
>> over cheap Chinese-made head-sets, positioned
>> poorly, over chancy telephone lines to the US.
>>
>> Using really crappy scripts to solve problems the
>> HelpDesk people never even experienced. Worst
>> I ever had was a problem replacing a HD in an
>> old Dell Laptop. NOBODY knew that the old,
>> failed disk contained a pinout adapter that HAD
>> to be retained to mate the new one to the Cptr.
>> Lacking, the new HD would not fit, because of the
>> wrong pinout. Not Dell, Not the Supplier, Not
>> WD. HelpDesker in India was so frustrated (it wasn't
>> in the flow-chart script) I could almost hear her
>> cry. I finally asked whether she had ever replaced
>> a HD in a computer. She admitted she had not.
>> She said that previous computer experience
>> was not a requirement for her job.....
>>
>> I stumbled on the answer after 2 Manhattan cocktails.
>
> Buy Dell computers as a "small business" You get on-shore help desk.
>
I have a local tech build my computers, haven't owned a major
manufacturer built one since Packard Bell, remember the old XT's? The
help desk is one small town over and I also have his home number.
There's nothing like good support, he comes over and works on it if
necessary and if it's a fault caused by him there is no cost, if I
screwed it up I pay the going price. I like it like that.

On 2009-08-16, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote in message
>>> It's beer.
>>
>> Sure that's not supposed to be IPA? I'm not aware of any beer called API.
>>
>> Bob
>
> All Purpose Inebriator?

I like it.

nb

Original Post appears to be a bizarre troll.

Nonetheless, I used to work for a local ISP some years ago. I did
many things, but one of those was also providing Tech Support to our
subscribers- and by this I mean *real* Tech Support. This was a
similar place as to what George Shirley speaks of, only we sold
Internet services primarily and repaired computers secondarily.

As soon as the word got out that Dell was offshoring their tech
support, it seemed to happen overnight that anyone that called us (a
mom-n-pop ISP in a community of about 20,000) assumed that I was a
card-flipper in Bangalore, India. There were actually TWO occasions
where someone stated that they couldn't understand me because of my
accent. Figure that one out.

-J

"U.N." > wrote in news:3ea96bdb-7652-4e4c-bb8f-
:

> Original Post appears to be a bizarre troll.
>
> Nonetheless, I used to work for a local ISP some years ago. I did
> many things, but one of those was also providing Tech Support to our
> subscribers- and by this I mean *real* Tech Support. This was a
> similar place as to what George Shirley speaks of, only we sold
> Internet services primarily and repaired computers secondarily.
>
> As soon as the word got out that Dell was offshoring their tech
> support, it seemed to happen overnight that anyone that called us (a
> mom-n-pop ISP in a community of about 20,000) assumed that I was a
> card-flipper in Bangalore, India. There were actually TWO occasions
> where someone stated that they couldn't understand me because of my
> accent. Figure that one out.
>
> -J
>


So what's your accent???

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:02:44 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>Buy Dell computers as a "small business" You get on-shore help desk.

I wondered why I've never had a problem like that. Not that I call
Dell much or even at all.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:44:33 -0700, sf > wrote:

>On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:39:57 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>>>> Isn't [alcohol] the Mother of All Inventions?
>>>>>
>>>>> I once worked with a VP-Tech Svc. His answer to everything was, "Let me
>>>>> think this over an API and I'll get back to you..."
>>>>>
>>>>> The Ranger
>>>>
>>>> API?
>>>
>>> It's beer.
>>
>>Sure that's not supposed to be IPA? I'm not aware of any beer called API.
>>
>By George, you're right! Oh, well... I understood the context. I get
>points for that.

Jus' a bit of alcholo-induecd Dyslxeia, I think...

Axle

<Eligia Czerwinski> wrote in message
...
>
> i. Observe the mouth movements of those who speak English well and try
> to imitate them.
>
> When you are watching television, observe the mouth movements of the
> speakers. Repeat what they are saying, while imitating the intonation
> and rhythm of their speech.
>
>
> ii. Until you learn the correct intonation and rhythm of English, slow
> your speech down.
>
> If you speak too quickly, and with the wrong intonation and rhythm,
> native speakers will have a hard time understanding you.
> Don't worry about your listener getting impatient with your slow
> speech -- it is more important that everything you say be understood.

That advice can be given to native speakers.

> iii. Listen to the 'music' of English.
>
> Do not use the 'music' of your native language when you speak English.
> Each language has its own way of 'singing'.

I like the other rhythms and intonations of foreign speakers. I hav one of
my own, sometimes. If I consider my speech long enough, I can sing most
anything.

> iv. Use the dictionary.
>
> Try and familiarise yourself with the phonetic symbols of your
> dictionary. Look up the correct pronunciation of words that are hard
> for you to say.
>
>
> v. Make a list of frequently used words that you find difficult to
> pronounce and ask someone who speaks the language well to pronounce
> them for you.
>
> Record these words, listen to them and practice saying them. Listen
> and read at the same time.
>
>
> vi. Buy books on tape.
>
> Record yourself reading some sections of the book. Compare the sound
> of your English with that of the person reading the book on the tape.
>
>
> vii. Pronounce the ending of each word.
>
> Pay special attention to 'S' and 'ED' endings. This will help you
> strengthen the mouth muscles that you use when you speak English.

Ess is often pronounced as a zed in English. Ed is often pronounced Et, and
vice-versa, depending on whether the consonant that leads it is voiced. More
often,
English speakers drop the leading ee to make a consonant cluster.

> viii. Read aloud in English for 15-20 minutes every day.
>
> Research has shown it takes about three months of daily practice to
> develop strong mouth muscles for speaking a new language.
>
>
> ix. Record your own voice and listen for pronunciation mistakes.
>
> Many people hate to hear the sound of their voice and avoid listening
> to themselves speak. However, this is a very important exercise
> because doing it will help you become conscious of the mistakes you
> are making.
>
>
> x. Be patient.
>
> You can change the way you speak but it won't happen overnight. People
> often expect instant results and give up too soon. You can change the
> way you sound if you are willing to put some effort into it.
>