"Van" wrote:
> "brooklyn1" wrote
>>
>> And I don 't eat at potlucks, I can count on the fingers of one hand how
>> many I've attended in my life, and then I ate before. I don't care much
>> for foods that have been fussed with anyway, I'm not going to eat foods
>> that someone else fussed with. And I don't let anyone help me cook, I'm
>> not about to eat when the meal was a community effort. Too many cooks
>> spoiling the broth is very true in more ways than one.
>>
>
> Boy, ya got that right. Come to think of it, I don't remember any time
> that I've had upset stomach/intestinal problems when I *didn't* eat at
> someone's house or a restaurant.
>
> Doesn't matter whether it's Burger King or a swanky prime-beef restaurant,
> never forget that it's the lowest-paid kitchen help that does the basic
> food prep (i.e. shucking shrimp, chopping veggies, etc.), as well as
> cleaning the kitchen & washing the pots/pans/utensils.
>
> I'll eat my own cooking at home anytime, thanks.
>
>

There aren't too many restuarants I patronize anymore, and I'm careful what
I order... only very well cooked items like pizza, pasta, and stir/deep fry.
I won't eat any cold foods from a restaurant, not even a salad, especially
not a salad.

Another place I now avoid are delis, they don't clean their slicers hardly
at all during a shift, they use the same slimy plastic wrap over and over,
and they don't have proper refrigeration plus they leave foods out on the
counter for excessive amounts of time... not to mention the clerks are not
properly attired and obviously receive zero training... they hold
conversations with each other while slicing and preparing sandwiches, etc.,
ergo they're spitting on your food... not to mention that's a great way to
lose a finger. I don't buy deli sliced meats and cheeses anymore. I'm
even averse to buying packaged cold cuts because they are not properly
refrigerated, and I can't remember how many times I've seen cases of those
highly perishable products sitting out on the stupidmarket floor when I
enter and still there when I leave. Lately I mostly buy whole fermented
coldcuts that don't need refrigeration and slice them myself. And I rather
buy packaged cheeses, those were sliced and packaged robotically and cheese
doesn't spoil like meats do, but from delis there's a lot of cross
contamination so I don't want their sliced cheese... they wear the same
plastic gloves when handling bologna and cheese. A good deli clerk doesn't
need any stinkin' plastic goves, they never touch any meats or cheeses with
their hands, they know how to slice directly onto the sheet of paper on
their palm, transfering sliced meats and cheese from the same plastic glove
to the paper is a filthy method. In the next week or so I'll be making a
trip to Sam's Club, they have a nice selection of whole fermented salamis
and whole cheeses. I've found Walmart maintains the best refrigeration for
perishables, I've checked by laying an insta-read thermometer in various
stores meat cases... Walmart is always pretty close to 36ºF, stupidmarkets
are always over 40ºF and some are at 50ºF... Walmart is the only place I'll
buy packaged coldcuts.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:02:24 -0500, Omelet >
wrote:

>Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
>potluck meals?

Nope. The only thing that gives me any twinge of concern about
potlucks is how long the food may be sitting out if it's a long event
or in a very hot environment (like 95 in the shade and the potluck is
outside!), or if the food is brought several hours beforehand and not
refrigerated or put in the oven. If it's a very long event I probably
won't want to take any leftovers home with me but I won't worry about
whether or not to eat there.

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:27:13 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Aug 17, 10:02*am, Omelet > wrote:
>> Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
>> potluck meals?
>
>No. I'm not a terrific housekeeper, and I just don't worry about
>other
>people.
>
>My worries at potlucks are more like:
>
>"Is there too much sugar in that potato salad?" (Always yes.)
>
>"Will that dish taste as bad as it looks?"
>
>"Do people eat like this at home, or do they just trot it out for
>potlucks?"
>
>"Where are the vegetables?"
>
>"Campbell's Soup must be racking up the profits this month."
>
>"No, really--where are the vegetables?"
>
>I almost always bring something with plenty of vegetables that aren't
>cooked to mush.

That's why I try to bring fruit and/or salad or a vegetable dish to
the church potluck... there's always going be fried chicken and potato
of some kind and the obligatory pasta dish, but healthy stuff is thin
on the ground!

In article >,
Goomba > wrote:

> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Victor Sack wrote:
>
> >> Okay, I'll bite and indulge you yet again: there is no such salad in
> >> Germany. There is no such thing as a (pan-)German salad, anyway, and
> >> none of the numerous regional versions contain brown sugar.
> >
> > German potato salad is an American invention.
>
> I've never seen a recipe for it call for brown sugar.
> I can't abide "sweet" potato salads so don't make it. It makes my teeth
> itch to think about!

Well, maybe not brown sugar, but sugar. Here's the first hit from
Google:

http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/German-...ad/Detail.aspx

It's "sweet and sour". Lots of vinegar, and a little sugar.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Aug 17, 5:44 pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Dimitri wrote:
>
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >news
> > > Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
> > > potluck meals?
>
> > Not generally
>
> > > Two rooms I keep clean all the time are the kitchen and the bathroom.
> > > All the other rooms are arbitrary. <g> The kitchen has to be very clean
> > > before I'll even start cooking, but that's just me! I also clean as I
> > > go to kill time during cooking timing.
>
> > Up to you and your fobias as it were.
>
> > > I have yet to get food poisoning from a potluck and I've eaten at many.
> > > I tend to avoid potato salad (which is famous for Salmonella) but that's
> > > not the reason. I'm simply not fond of it.
>
> > Interestingly the poato salad & mayo is somewhat of a myth as the mayo in
> > potato salad has a high enough acid content to restrict the growth of
> > bacteria.
>
> For the mayo itself that is true, however once combined with other
> ingredients, generally not true.
>
>
>
> > I would be more tempted to mistrust a reheated casarole.
>
> > > I eat deviled eggs all the time. Lynn' makes a wonderful one and it sits
> > > out on the table near the BBQ for hours during her parties, and I have
> > > yet to ever get sick from one. But I know she keeps a clean kitchen too
> > > and keeps the eggs floating over a bowl of ice to keep them cold, and
> > > the containers are covered to keep flies off. ;-)
>
> > I think this book is a must for all church and social groups to read and
> > understand.
>
> >http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/Cooking_for_Groups.pdf
>
> > Dimitri

Especially eggs, if you put those in potato salad.

I like pasta salads with an oil or oil and vinegar dressing (and no
eggs) for a picnic because it can generally sit around for 4-5 hours
with no detriment to the quality - unless, of course, you put
something weird in it.

N.

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Goomba > wrote:
>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Victor Sack wrote:
>>>> Okay, I'll bite and indulge you yet again: there is no such salad in
>>>> Germany. There is no such thing as a (pan-)German salad, anyway, and
>>>> none of the numerous regional versions contain brown sugar.
>>> German potato salad is an American invention.
>> I've never seen a recipe for it call for brown sugar.
>> I can't abide "sweet" potato salads so don't make it. It makes my teeth
>> itch to think about!
>
> Well, maybe not brown sugar, but sugar. Here's the first hit from
> Google:
>
> http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/German-...ad/Detail.aspx
>
> It's "sweet and sour". Lots of vinegar, and a little sugar.
>
Oh ick! Make mine vinegar-sharp. NO sugar.

--
Jean B.

In article >,
"brooklyn1" > wrote:

> "Ms P" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Omelet" > wrote in message
> > news
> >> Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
> >> potluck meals?
> >>
> >
> >> Peace! Om
> >
> > It kind of depends on if I know the person or not. I go to a sewing group
> > get together once a month and one of the members has the most disgusting
> > kitchen I've ever seen. Ever. I won't eat any thing that comes out of
> > her kitchen. A couple of the other members have kitchens and homes that
> > are a whole lot less than clean and I don't eat food that comes from their
> > kitchens either. If they bring stuff from a store that hasn't been opened
> > yet then I'll eat it.
> >
> >
> Hmm, depends on what and from what store, that can be worse, far worse... if
> it's an unopened can of mixed nuts that's fine, but if it's prepared foods
> from some deli I'd be very ascared, especially that you've no idea how long
> they've been riding around with them.
>
> I don't like to eat in other folk's homes. About a year ago I was invited
> for lunch at a neighbor's home... we were sitting in the kitchen when their
> teenage grandson opened the fridge and stood there while chuggalugging OJ
> from the container and put the rest back... didn't seem to register with
> anyone but me, which told me that was just the tip of the iceberg. Suddenly
> I wasn't feeling well, excused myself and went home. I was already
> teetering on the edge when I noticed their coffee carafe, it hadn't been
> scrubbed in, well, like never. Anyone can give the kitchen and terlit a
> quick straighten, it's when the rest of the abode has every door closed like
> they have something to hide and they're burning incense that I worry, that
> tells me that the host hasn't seen a bath and clean undies for more than a
> week.
>
> And I don 't eat at potlucks, I can count on the fingers of one hand how
> many I've attended in my life, and then I ate before. I don't care much for
> foods that have been fussed with anyway, I'm not going to eat foods that
> someone else fussed with. And I don't let anyone help me cook, I'm not
> about to eat when the meal was a community effort. Too many cooks spoiling
> the broth is very true in more ways than one.

I've eaten at many a potluck and have never, ever caught a foodbourn
illness from one. What I have gotten was some cooking ideas and a few
cool recipes. :-)

But, I have a healthy immune system... <G>
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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In article >,
"Ms P" > wrote:

> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> news
> > In article >,
> > "Ms P" > wrote:
> >
> >> "Omelet" > wrote in message
> >> news > >> > Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
> >> > potluck meals?
> >> >
> >>
> >> > Peace! Om
> >>
> >> It kind of depends on if I know the person or not. I go to a sewing
> >> group
> >> get together once a month and one of the members has the most disgusting
> >> kitchen I've ever seen. Ever. I won't eat any thing that comes out of
> >> her
> >> kitchen. A couple of the other members have kitchens and homes that are
> >> a
> >> whole lot less than clean and I don't eat food that comes from their
> >> kitchens either. If they bring stuff from a store that hasn't been
> >> opened
> >> yet then I'll eat it.
> >>
> >> Ms P
> >
> > You have the advantage to having been to their homes. :-)
> > We have potlucks at work monthly. I've never been to any of their
> > homes. To date tho', nobody (that I'm aware of) has gotten sick from any
> > of the monthly party food.
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
>
>
> LOL, I'm not sure it was much of an advantage. I had a good idea her house
> was nasty since her clothes also stunk but I picked her up one time and went
> to the front door. O. M. G. I was beyond horrified.
>
> Ms P

It scares me how many people live that way...
The woman I pay to help me thoroughly houseclean once per month has told
me some serious horror stories of people she has cleaned for.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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In article
>,
Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:

> On Aug 17, 9:01*pm, Omelet > wrote:
> > In article
> > >,
> > *Bobo Bonobo® > wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 17, 9:02*am, Omelet > wrote:
> > > > Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
> > > > potluck meals?
> >
> > > > Two rooms I keep clean all the time are the kitchen and the bathroom.
> > > > All the other rooms are arbitrary. <g> The kitchen has to be very clean
> > > > before I'll even start cooking, but that's just me! *
> >
> > > Same here. *Who cares if the other rooms are messy?
> >
> > > > Comments?
> >
> > > I should send you the lyrics to Fast Food Man. *It's about the
> > > hygienic practices of food prep staff.
> >
> > That sounds scary. ;-)
>
> What the heck. I'll just post it he
>
> FAST FOOD MAN
>
> Hey, Hey, fast food man
> I wonder if you've washed your hands
> With all the things that you could do
> I'm gonna be real nice to you
>
> The food tastes good and I'm lovin' my meal
> But if I got to thinkin' it could really spoil it
> When I think about whether you wash your hands
> When you scratch your balls or use the toilet
>
> Hey, Hey, fast food man
> I wonder if you've washed your hands
> With all the things that you could do
> I'm gonna be real nice to you
>
> You cough a little and scratch your nose
> You wipe your forehead and I suppose
> That if I ticked you off, you could spit on my food
> And **** and shit and semen too
>
> Hey, Hey, fast food man
> I wonder if you've washed your hands
> With all the things that you could do
> I'm gonna be real nice to you
>
>
> > --
> > Peace! Om
> >
> --Bryan

ROFL!!! Okay, that was sufficiently disgusting. ;-)
Frankly, I'd trust a potluck dish before some fast food places, or
restaurants for that matter!
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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In article >,
Kajikit > wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:02:24 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
> >potluck meals?
>
> Nope. The only thing that gives me any twinge of concern about
> potlucks is how long the food may be sitting out if it's a long event
> or in a very hot environment (like 95 in the shade and the potluck is
> outside!), or if the food is brought several hours beforehand and not
> refrigerated or put in the oven. If it's a very long event I probably
> won't want to take any leftovers home with me but I won't worry about
> whether or not to eat there.

:-)

We have potlucks monthly at work.
It's not unusual for stuff to be brought in in the morning and
immediately refrigerated, and taken out around noon for day shift to
lunch on.

Then it's still out on the tables when I come in at 10 pm at night. <g>

I don't worry about preserved or well cooked food. It keeps, especially
if salted or smoked.

I'm just selective...

I generally clean up the break room. I'll re-cover some stuff and stick
it back in the 'frige and let the "donors" worry about whether or not
they want to take their leftovers home...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:15:05 -0700, sf wrote:

> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:27:13 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>"Is there too much sugar in that potato salad?" (Always yes.)
>
> Sugar in potato salad? The mind boggles.

don't know about sugar *per se*, but maybe they're using miracle whip.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:02:12 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Default User wrote:
>>
>> Victor Sack wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Victor Sack wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Okay, I'll bite and indulge you yet again: there is no such salad
>>> > > in Germany. There is no such thing as a (pan-)German salad,
>>> > > anyway, and none of the numerous regional versions contain brown
>>> > > sugar.
>>> >
>>> > German potato salad is an American invention.
>>>
>>> Exactly. Yet, some people posting here seem(ed) to be of a different
>>> persuasion for the longest time.
>>
>> Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland. Usual
>> caveats apply.
>
> Southern Poland was a part of Germany.

there's a joke along the lines of 'eskimos have a thousand words for snow':

'germans have a word for invading poland in the winter when it's snowing,
in the spring when it's raining, or in summer when it's hot...'

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:41:17 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Goomba wrote:
>>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Victor Sack wrote:
>>
>>>> Okay, I'll bite and indulge you yet again: there is no such salad in
>>>> Germany. There is no such thing as a (pan-)German salad, anyway, and
>>>> none of the numerous regional versions contain brown sugar.
>>>
>>> German potato salad is an American invention.
>>
>> I've never seen a recipe for it call for brown sugar.
>> I can't abide "sweet" potato salads so don't make it. It makes my teeth
>> itch to think about!
>
> Many do. That's what makes it "German".
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/recipes/sala...npotsal.recipe
>
> http://www.customcatering.net/Rec_Vege/germanps.html

i thought what made it 'german' is the bacon fat and it serving warm
(contra your first recipe cite).

your pal,
blake

On Aug 17, 9:02*pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Default User wrote:
>
> > Victor Sack wrote:
>
> > > Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > > > Victor Sack wrote:
>
> > > > > Okay, I'll bite and indulge you yet again: there is no such salad
> > > > > in Germany. *There is no such thing as a (pan-)German salad,
> > > > > anyway, and none of the numerous regional versions contain brown
> > > > > sugar.
>
> > > > German potato salad is an American invention.
>
> > > Exactly. *Yet, some people posting here seem(ed) to be of a different
> > > persuasion for the longest time.
>
> > Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland. Usual
> > caveats apply.
>
> Southern Poland was a part of Germany.

Or Austria?

John Kane, Kingston ON Canadak

Default User > wrote:

> Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland. Usual
> caveats apply.

Southern Poland? Kraków? Katowice? If Wikipedia means an American
salad, named "German potato salad", thus implying that it came with the
Polish immigrants, it may or may not be true (probably the latter).

If, on the other hand, Wikipedia means one of the salads in Germany
proper, it makes no sense, for two reasons: First, there are numerous
differently prepared salads in different regions of what is now Germany,
so which one of them is supposed to have originated in Poland? Second,
if the salad in question is of the kind that is served hot, with no
mayonnaise, then one has to remember that such salads are popular in
Bavaria, Franconia and Swabia, regions that are nowhere near any part of
Poland, with the Czech Republic and Slovakia lying between Franconia and
southern Poland. Southern Poland once belonged to Prussia, after it
annexed it from Austria. In Prussia, potato salads have always been and
still are totally different.

Victor

Victor Sack wrote:

> Default User > wrote:
>
> > Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland.
> > Usual caveats apply.
>
> Southern Poland? Kraków? Katowice? If Wikipedia means an American
> salad, named "German potato salad", thus implying that it came with
> the Polish immigrants, it may or may not be true (probably the
> latter).

Feel free to review the Wikipedia entry at your leisure.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_salad>





Brian

--
Day 197 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

Default User > wrote:

> Victor Sack wrote:
>
> > Default User > wrote:
> >
> > > Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland.
> > > Usual caveats apply.
> >
> > Southern Poland? Kraków? Katowice? If Wikipedia means an American
> > salad, named "German potato salad", thus implying that it came with
> > the Polish immigrants, it may or may not be true (probably the
> > latter).
>
> Feel free to review the Wikipedia entry at your leisure.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_salad>

Why would I want to do that? Are there any points I neglected to cover
in my post?

Victor

Victor Sack wrote:
>
> Default User > wrote:
>
> > Victor Sack wrote:
> >
> > > Default User > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland.
> > > > Usual caveats apply.
> > >
> > > Southern Poland? Kraków? Katowice? If Wikipedia means an American
> > > salad, named "German potato salad", thus implying that it came with
> > > the Polish immigrants, it may or may not be true (probably the
> > > latter).
> >
> > Feel free to review the Wikipedia entry at your leisure.
> >
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_salad>
>
> Why would I want to do that? Are there any points I neglected to cover
> in my post?

He just wants to raise your blood pressure.

Wikipedia can be a good source of information,
but it also has weak areas, especially with regard
to food. Wikipedia does not indicate when the
data is fraught with errors.

On Aug 17, 3:27*pm, Cindy Hamilton >
wrote:
> On Aug 17, 10:02*am, Omelet > wrote:
>
> > Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
> > potluck meals?
>
> No. *I'm not a terrific housekeeper, and I just don't worry about
> other
> people.
>
> My worries at potlucks are more like:
>
> "Is there too much sugar in that potato salad?" *(Always yes.)
>
> "Will that dish taste as bad as it looks?"
>
> "Do people eat like this at home, or do they just trot it out for
> potlucks?"
>
> "Where are the vegetables?"
>
> "Campbell's Soup must be racking up the profits this month."
>
> "No, really--where are the vegetables?"
>
> I almost always bring something with plenty of vegetables that aren't
> cooked to mush.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I know what you mean - I just went to an annual family potluck and
brought cut up fresh fruit just so I know there would be some to eat!

Kris

Dan Abel wrote:
> In article >,
> Goomba > wrote:
>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:

>> I've never seen a recipe for it call for brown sugar.
>> I can't abide "sweet" potato salads so don't make it. It makes my teeth
>> itch to think about!
>
> Well, maybe not brown sugar, but sugar. Here's the first hit from
> Google:
>
> http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/German-...ad/Detail.aspx
>
> It's "sweet and sour". Lots of vinegar, and a little sugar.
>

Yes, I know. That was my point in the first place. I knew the recipe had
sugar in it, but Mark's the only person I've ever read who claimed it is
supposed to be "brown sugar".

On Aug 18, 9:40*am, Kajikit > wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:02:24 -0500, Omelet >
> wrote:

> >Does anyone here worry about other peoples kitchen sanitation and
> >potluck meals?

Never.

> Nope. The only thing that gives me any twinge of concern about
> potlucks is how long the food may be sitting out if it's a long event
> or in a very hot environment (like 95 in the shade and the potluck is
> outside!), or if the food is brought several hours beforehand and not
> refrigerated or put in the oven. If it's a very long event I probably
> won't want to take any leftovers home with me but I won't worry about
> whether or not to eat there.

I once witnessed a software company's "kitchenette" where that day's
lunch was served. The AC had kicked off at 5 and the ice was long-
since melted. It was 11pm. In came a group of software developers,
human locusts, and within seconds the place was cleaned out of any
remaining food. Given the level of what some of those developers
considered edible, I am downright paranoid about my fastidiousness!

The Ranger

Victor Sack wrote:

> Default User > wrote:
>
> > Victor Sack wrote:
> >
> > > Default User > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern
> > > > Poland. Usual caveats apply.
> > >
> > > Southern Poland? Kraków? Katowice? If Wikipedia means an
> > > American salad, named "German potato salad", thus implying that
> > > it came with the Polish immigrants, it may or may not be true
> > > (probably the latter).
> >
> > Feel free to review the Wikipedia entry at your leisure.
> >
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_salad>
>
> Why would I want to do that? Are there any points I neglected to
> cover in my post?

You asked for more details. I don't see the point in me reiterating
what Wikipedia says. So, as I said, review it at your leisure and
address any points directly that you'd like.






Brian

--
Day 198 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

John Kane wrote:
> On Aug 17, 9:02 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>> Default User wrote:
>>
<snip>
>>> Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland. Usual
>>> caveats apply.
>>
>> Southern Poland was a part of Germany.
>
> Or Austria?
>

And Russia ...
We had to stop the Poles when they started to put sugar in potato salad.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner

Default User > wrote:

> You asked for more details. I don't see the point in me reiterating
> what Wikipedia says. So, as I said, review it at your leisure and
> address any points directly that you'd like.

I do not know why you persist in trying to kick down an unlocked door.

I never asked for any details at all. For some strange reason you saw
it fit to quote Wikipedia's apparently baseless assertion that "German
potato salad" originated in southern Poland. I stated the reasons why
it made no sense. Why you keep sending me to Wikipedia is a mystery to
me. Is there anything at all there to back up the assertion? I
strongly suspect there is nothing - so why are you persisting in
pointing to Wikipedia? This is a Usenet newsgroup - discussions are
supposed to take place here, not on Wikipedia's Web site.

Time to change you .sig.

Victor

Victor Sack wrote:

> Default User > wrote:
>
> > You asked for more details. I don't see the point in me reiterating
> > what Wikipedia says. So, as I said, review it at your leisure and
> > address any points directly that you'd like.
>
> I do not know why you persist in trying to kick down an unlocked door.

Now I'm confused. All I ever did was invite you to pursue it further
for youself if you wished. And if you didn't, that's great too. You're
the one that's spun it into a big deal. My interest level in the topic
is so low that I can't be, as our UK friends might say, be "arsed" to
do any further research.

> I never asked for any details at all.

Well, yeah you did. But that doesn't really matter.

> For some strange reason you saw
> it fit to quote Wikipedia's apparently baseless assertion that "German
> potato salad" originated in southern Poland.

It might be baseless, it might not. I don't know, and can't answer any
questions about it.

> I stated the reasons why
> it made no sense. Why you keep sending me to Wikipedia is a mystery
> to me.

Because I didn't wish to go back to review any of the sources. I left
that to you if you wished.

> Is there anything at all there to back up the assertion?

You might want to check for yourself. Oh wait, we're right back where
we started.

> I strongly suspect there is nothing - so why are you persisting in
> pointing to Wikipedia?

Again, this is a mischaracterization of what happened. I posted one
comment gleaned from that article. When you disputed the information, I
invited you to puruse it at your leisure.

> This is a Usenet newsgroup - discussions are
> supposed to take place here, not on Wikipedia's Web site.

That's up to you, of course. In case it wasn't clear, I was done
discussing it. Any further information about the Wikipedian entry would
need to come from your own study.

> Time to change you .sig.

I'm not at all sure that you and I have the same definition of
"grouchy". Perhaps you could explain your definition and demonstrate
how anything I've posted fits that definition. It doesn't fit the ones
I'm familiar with.

I'll leave to have a "last word" if you like. I'll be done with this
thread in its entirety.




Brian

--
Day 198 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project

Default User wrote:

> Now I'm confused. All I ever did was invite you to pursue it further
> for youself if you wished. And if you didn't, that's great too. You're
> the one that's spun it into a big deal. My interest level in the topic
> is so low that I can't be, as our UK friends might say, be "arsed" to
> do any further research.

This is ridiculous. First, you quote some random nonsense from
Wikipedia and when I list the reasons why it makes no sense, you insist
- repeatedly - that I go and look at that nonsense in the original! All
because you have no interest in the subject!

Victor

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:39:13 +0200, Michael Kuettner wrote:

> John Kane wrote:
>> On Aug 17, 9:02 pm, Mark Thorson > wrote:
>>> Default User wrote:
>>>
> <snip>
>>>> Wikipedia says German potato salad originated in southern Poland. Usual
>>>> caveats apply.
>>>
>>> Southern Poland was a part of Germany.
>>
>> Or Austria?
>>
>
> And Russia ...
> We had to stop the Poles when they started to put sugar in potato salad.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Kuettner

jeez, i thought world war ii was about stopping fascism and it turns out to
be about potato salad.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:56:27 +0200, Victor Sack wrote:

> Default User > wrote:
>
>> You asked for more details. I don't see the point in me reiterating
>> what Wikipedia says. So, as I said, review it at your leisure and
>> address any points directly that you'd like.
>
> I do not know why you persist in trying to kick down an unlocked door.
>
> I never asked for any details at all. For some strange reason you saw
> it fit to quote Wikipedia's apparently baseless assertion that "German
> potato salad" originated in southern Poland. I stated the reasons why
> it made no sense. Why you keep sending me to Wikipedia is a mystery to
> me. Is there anything at all there to back up the assertion? I
> strongly suspect there is nothing - so why are you persisting in
> pointing to Wikipedia? This is a Usenet newsgroup - discussions are
> supposed to take place here, not on Wikipedia's Web site.
>
> Time to change you .sig.
>
> Victor

wikipedia typically sources most of their material. you can go there to
see what's backing up their 'assertions.'

on the other hand, knocking wikipedia requires no research at all.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
(Victor Sack) wrote:

> Mark Thorson > wrote:
>
> > It must be German potato salad, which usually
> > contains brown sugar.
>
> That old, stale bait again?
>
> Okay, I'll bite and indulge you yet again: there is no such salad in
> Germany. There is no such thing as a (pan-)German salad, anyway, and
> none of the numerous regional versions contain brown sugar.

This is pretty common. I understand that there aren't New York steaks
in New York, no French fries in France and no Belgian waffles in
Belgium. Why should there be German potato salad in Germany?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

blake murphy > wrote:

> wikipedia typically sources most of their material.

No, it just as typically does not source most, or even just any, of its
material. Do you even know what you are talking about?

> you can go there to
> see what's backing up their 'assertions.'

Why? It is the business of someone quoting the assertions to do that.
You want me to know what's backing up "their" "assertions"? Go there
and copy-and-paste if you find anything.

> on the other hand, knocking wikipedia requires no research at all.

I have done my research. I do not care to post about something I know
nothing about. I have been posting about German salads for years. I
recognise nonsense when I see it. You, on the other hand... in this
particular case and also generally... Do you actually know anything
about anything at all?

Victor

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:56:27 +0200, Victor Sack wrote:
>
>> Default User > wrote:
>>
>>> You asked for more details. I don't see the point in me reiterating
>>> what Wikipedia says. So, as I said, review it at your leisure and
>>> address any points directly that you'd like.
>>
>> I do not know why you persist in trying to kick down an unlocked
>> door.
>>
>> I never asked for any details at all. For some strange reason you
>> saw it fit to quote Wikipedia's apparently baseless assertion that
>> "German potato salad" originated in southern Poland. I stated the
>> reasons why it made no sense. Why you keep sending me to Wikipedia
>> is a mystery to me. Is there anything at all there to back up the
>> assertion? I strongly suspect there is nothing - so why are you
>> persisting in pointing to Wikipedia? This is a Usenet newsgroup -
>> discussions are supposed to take place here, not on Wikipedia's Web
>> site.
>>
>> Time to change you .sig.
>>
>> Victor
>
> wikipedia typically sources most of their material. you can go there
> to see what's backing up their 'assertions.'
>
> on the other hand, knocking wikipedia requires no research at all.
>


Jeez, and getting all martinet - like about a potato salad...!!!

BTW I remember having some pretty good tater salad in my visits to Prague
back in the 70's...it's very basic, just taters and mayo. Potato salad is
also part of the Czech Christmas meal, it is an accompaniment to the
traditional fried carp...

So there is another "iron" for the "fire"...

;-)


--
Best
Greg

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:58:02 +0200, Victor Sack wrote:

> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> wikipedia typically sources most of their material.
>
> No, it just as typically does not source most, or even just any, of its
> material. Do you even know what you are talking about?
>
>> you can go there to
>> see what's backing up their 'assertions.'
>
> Why? It is the business of someone quoting the assertions to do that.
> You want me to know what's backing up "their" "assertions"? Go there
> and copy-and-paste if you find anything.
>
>> on the other hand, knocking wikipedia requires no research at all.
>
> I have done my research. I do not care to post about something I know
> nothing about. I have been posting about German salads for years. I
> recognise nonsense when I see it. You, on the other hand... in this
> particular case and also generally... Do you actually know anything
> about anything at all?
>
> Victor

apparently i know something about wikipedia. look at any entry there;
typically there are sources in footnotes.

so, should i ignore wikipedia and accept what anyone - say, sheldon - posts
from their non-cited 'research'?

blake

blake murphy > wrote:

> apparently i know something about wikipedia. look at any entry there;
> typically there are sources in footnotes.

Well, if you know so much about Wikipedia - as you are certain you do -
then do prove me wrong and post that source about the "German potato
salad" originating in southern Poland. What's keeping you? Don't you
want to kill three birds with one stone:

1. Proving that the salad is from Poland
2. Proving that you know something about Wikipedia
3. Proving me wrong

Victor

Victor Sack wrote:
>
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
> > apparently i know something about wikipedia. look at any entry there;
> > typically there are sources in footnotes.
>
> Well, if you know so much about Wikipedia - as you are certain you do -
> then do prove me wrong and post that source about the "German potato
> salad" originating in southern Poland. What's keeping you? Don't you
> want to kill three birds with one stone:
>
> 1. Proving that the salad is from Poland
> 2. Proving that you know something about Wikipedia
> 3. Proving me wrong

That might be difficult. The first sentence in the Wikipedia
entry on "Potato_salad" says:

"This article does not cite any references or sources.
Please help improve this article by adding citations to
reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged
and removed. (May 2007)"

On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:58:02 +0200, Victor Sack wrote:

> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> apparently i know something about wikipedia. look at any entry there;
>> typically there are sources in footnotes.
>
> Well, if you know so much about Wikipedia - as you are certain you do -
> then do prove me wrong and post that source about the "German potato
> salad" originating in southern Poland. What's keeping you? Don't you
> want to kill three birds with one stone:
>
> 1. Proving that the salad is from Poland
> 2. Proving that you know something about Wikipedia
> 3. Proving me wrong
>
> Victor

o.k., that came across as a little more intemperate than i intended.

all i wanted to say is that i think it's silly to dismiss a cite just
because it's from wikipedia. and in fact, you have me there, the wiki post
on potato salad has no cites. but, right up top, it says:

This article does not cite any references or sources. Please help improve
this article by adding citations to reliable sources.

....so you do know what you are getting.

i responded to your posts because i've seen so many people categorically
reject wiki as a source for *anything*, which i just think is foolish.

so, my apologies.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy > wrote:

> i responded to your posts because i've seen so many people categorically
> reject wiki as a source for *anything*, which i just think is foolish.

I am not among those people and I believe I have cited at least one
Wikipedia article in a post myself. Science articles tend to be good;
articles referring to food range from good to completely useless.
Wikipedia is not some kind of monolyth - basically anyone can post
anything. If the subject in question is "foreign", it is instructive to
compare the English-language Wikipedia article with the corresponding
one in the native language, written by a native. Sometimes it will say
something completely different. So, unless one already knows the
subject well, it is virtually impossible to rate any given article. The
same is even more true of _The Food Lover's Dictionary_ (Epicurious), as
it is even less reliable than Wikipedia. Even such sources as Larousse
Gastronomique can contain howlers, especially if "foreign" food is
involved (and I believe I have pointed out a couple of such howlers).

> so, my apologies.

That's not the Usenet way!

Victor

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:44:59 +0200, Victor Sack wrote:

> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> i responded to your posts because i've seen so many people categorically
>> reject wiki as a source for *anything*, which i just think is foolish.
>
> I am not among those people and I believe I have cited at least one
> Wikipedia article in a post myself. Science articles tend to be good;
> articles referring to food range from good to completely useless.
> Wikipedia is not some kind of monolyth - basically anyone can post
> anything. If the subject in question is "foreign", it is instructive to
> compare the English-language Wikipedia article with the corresponding
> one in the native language, written by a native. Sometimes it will say
> something completely different. So, unless one already knows the
> subject well, it is virtually impossible to rate any given article. The
> same is even more true of _The Food Lover's Dictionary_ (Epicurious), as
> it is even less reliable than Wikipedia. Even such sources as Larousse
> Gastronomique can contain howlers, especially if "foreign" food is
> involved (and I believe I have pointed out a couple of such howlers).
>

you are right in that the food stuff is often unsourced. might be fun to
write an entry with footnotes leading to 'my granny, in a 1972 interview.'

>> so, my apologies.
>
> That's not the Usenet way!
>

i'm getting soft.

your pal,
blake