This morning marked the first day of the Muslim month of Ramadan. During
this month, Muslims are prohibited from eating, drinking, smoking or
participating in "excessive" activities during the hours between dawn and
sunset. ("Dawn" in this context means a time when the sky is light but
before the sun rises. The actual time calculations vary depending on what
sect of Islam is being followed.)

While this sounds pretty harsh, it should be noted that most Muslim families
have veritable FEASTS every night during Ramadan. In order to make the
fasting daylight hours more tolerable, business hours during Ramadan in
Muslim countries are usually shifted so that people can stay up most of the
night. In fact, Wikipedia notes, "Muslims may continue to eat and drink
after the sun has set until the next morning's fajr prayer call." (Fajr is
the first prayer call of the day, taking at dawn.)

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> This morning marked the first day of the Muslim month of Ramadan. During
> this month, Muslims are prohibited from eating, drinking, smoking or
> participating in "excessive" activities during the hours between dawn and
> sunset. ("Dawn" in this context means a time when the sky is light but
> before the sun rises. The actual time calculations vary depending on what
> sect of Islam is being followed.)
>
> While this sounds pretty harsh, it should be noted that most Muslim families
> have veritable FEASTS every night during Ramadan. In order to make the
> fasting daylight hours more tolerable, business hours during Ramadan in
> Muslim countries are usually shifted so that people can stay up most of the
> night. In fact, Wikipedia notes, "Muslims may continue to eat and drink
> after the sun has set until the next morning's fajr prayer call." (Fajr is
> the first prayer call of the day, taking at dawn.)
>

I don't find this OT at all. It deals with a holiday and eating
practices during that time. I'd like to learn more about what special
dishes they feast on? What the rules are for those who can't fast, etc.

On Aug 22, 2:27*pm, Goomba > wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > This morning marked the first day of the Muslim month of Ramadan. During
> > this month, Muslims are prohibited from eating, drinking, smoking or
> > participating in "excessive" activities during the hours between dawn and
> > sunset. ("Dawn" in this context means a time when the sky is light but
> > before the sun rises. The actual time calculations vary depending on what
> > sect of Islam is being followed.)
>
> > While this sounds pretty harsh, it should be noted that most Muslim families
> > have veritable FEASTS every night during Ramadan. In order to make the
> > fasting daylight hours more tolerable, business hours during Ramadan in
> > Muslim countries are usually shifted so that people can stay up most of the
> > night. In fact, Wikipedia notes, "Muslims may continue to eat and drink
> > after the sun has set until the next morning's fajr prayer call." (Fajr is
> > the first prayer call of the day, taking at dawn.)
>
> I don't find this OT at all. It deals with a holiday and eating
> practices during that time. I'd like to learn more about what special
> dishes they feast on? What the rules are for those who can't fast, etc.



The rule for those who can't fast are as follows:

- If female, they should be stoned to death in the honor of the family
name.
- If male, they should be beheaded.

The above information, of course, is according to news in US media on
islam and Muslim practises. For more accurate information, please tune
into FOX news.



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I am not able to fast so I donate money to feed those who are hungry.

As for what people eat, it is all relatvie to your culture. Not all
Muslims are Arab and not all Arabs are Muslim.

My family is Irish and German and Black. Tonight at my house we are
having a Martha Stewart recipe from one of her little cook booklets,
Roast chicken with potatoes, lemon and asparagus. Tonight at my
daughter's house they are making homemade pizza.

Sharon Chilson wrote:
> I am not able to fast so I donate money to feed those who are hungry.
>
> As for what people eat, it is all relatvie to your culture. Not all
> Muslims are Arab and not all Arabs are Muslim.
>
> My family is Irish and German and Black. Tonight at my house we are
> having a Martha Stewart recipe from one of her little cook booklets,
> Roast chicken with potatoes, lemon and asparagus. Tonight at my
> daughter's house they are making homemade pizza.
>

Sharon - That's pretty nice that you have an alternative way of serving
(in my mind by donation). I assume you are diabetic, or have a similar
issue if your religion dictates you participate in the fast?

Have a nice week-end,

Bob

Goomba wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> This morning marked the first day of the Muslim month of Ramadan.
>> During this month, Muslims are prohibited from eating, drinking,
>> smoking or participating in "excessive" activities during the hours
>> between dawn and sunset. ("Dawn" in this context means a time when the
>> sky is light but before the sun rises. The actual time calculations
>> vary depending on what sect of Islam is being followed.)
>>
>> While this sounds pretty harsh, it should be noted that most Muslim
>> families have veritable FEASTS every night during Ramadan. In order to
>> make the fasting daylight hours more tolerable, business hours during
>> Ramadan in Muslim countries are usually shifted so that people can
>> stay up most of the night. In fact, Wikipedia notes, "Muslims may
>> continue to eat and drink after the sun has set until the next
>> morning's fajr prayer call." (Fajr is the first prayer call of the
>> day, taking at dawn.)
>>
>
> I don't find this OT at all. It deals with a holiday and eating
> practices during that time. I'd like to learn more about what special
> dishes they feast on? What the rules are for those who can't fast, etc.

I once helped host an iftar. This was in conjunction to our book
project which centered on The Kite Runner, so the food was primarily
Afghani. It was wonderful! Chicken, veggie dishes (butternut squash,
spinach, cauliflower, okra), rice pilaf, bread, etc. The dessert was a
kind of milk pudding, very subtly flavored (I wasn't overly fond of it
but most folks scarfed it down). The meal was preceded by evening
prayers. I found the whole experience very moving and enjoyed the
dinner discussion tremendously.

As for the fasting rules, about the only thing I know for certain is
that women who are menstruating do not have to fast. It's amazing how
many Muslim women menstruate all month long! ;-) I also believe that
those who are ill do not have to fast. My boss, who is Muslim (male)
fasts, and I try my damndest NOT to bake anything tempting during
Ramadan. If I do, I make sure there are plenty of whatever it is left
over for him to take home :-)

TammyM

Thank you for your kind wishes, Bob. The weather here in Michigan is
lovely, at least to my way of thinking. It's unseasonably cool with no
humidity, unlike last week when it was in the 90's with a thousand per
cent humidity.

Muslims are exempted from fasting if they have health problems. I am not
a diabetic but I have difficulties fasting nonetheless. My husband
fasts, as does my daughter, son-in-law and the two oldest children. The
two youngest give up something. This Ramadan one is not drinking pop,
the other is not eating sweets.

I've always meant to tell you how nice it is that you give shout-outs
(for lack of a better word) to Muslims despite all of the nasty flack
you receive from some posters.

On 2009-08-23, TammyM > wrote:

> I once helped host an iftar.

I hope it turned out better than Ishtar.

nb

I seem to have gotten my Bobs confused! Sorry about that. It's Bob T (I
don't want to misspell your last name) who is always so kind with the
shout-outs. And Bob Muncie's post I was just responding to.

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-08-23, TammyM > wrote:
>
>> I once helped host an iftar.
>
> I hope it turned out better than Ishtar.

LOL! Yes, it was enormously successful. Wise guy!

TammyM

Goomba wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> This morning marked the first day of the Muslim month of Ramadan.
>> During this month, Muslims are prohibited from eating, drinking,
>> smoking or participating in "excessive" activities during the hours
>> between dawn and sunset. ("Dawn" in this context means a time when the
>> sky is light but before the sun rises. The actual time calculations
>> vary depending on what sect of Islam is being followed.)
>>
>> While this sounds pretty harsh, it should be noted that most Muslim
>> families have veritable FEASTS every night during Ramadan. In order to
>> make the fasting daylight hours more tolerable, business hours during
>> Ramadan in Muslim countries are usually shifted so that people can
>> stay up most of the night. In fact, Wikipedia notes, "Muslims may
>> continue to eat and drink after the sun has set until the next
>> morning's fajr prayer call." (Fajr is the first prayer call of the
>> day, taking at dawn.)
>>
>
> I don't find this OT at all. It deals with a holiday and eating
> practices during that time. I'd like to learn more about what special
> dishes they feast on? What the rules are for those who can't fast, etc.

I am no expert but children do not fast, menstruating or pregnant women,
and if you are ill you don't have to fast.

I know people (Moroccans) who fast and they usually "break the fast"
with harira, eggs, dates and I think, milk. ( I might be confusing iwth
with weddings where I KNOW they eat dates and drink milik). They will
eat another meal later in the evening/morning and also right before the
sun rises.

Oh, and there must be shebekkia with the harira. It's a fried cookie
which is dipped in honey and sprinkled with sesame seeds and flavored
fennel or anise seeds. The women in Morocco start making them before
Ramadan begins so they have enough to last the whole month.

Tracy

On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:12:36 -0400, (Sharon
Chilson) wrote:

>Tonight at my house we are
>having a Martha Stewart recipe from one of her little cook booklets,
>Roast chicken with potatoes, lemon and asparagus.

Is this the one?
http://www.marthastewart.com/recipe/...-and-asparagus
It looks like a keeper - I'm adding it to my growing file of chicken
recipes. Thanks!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Aug 22, 4:12*pm, (Sharon Chilson) wrote:
> I am not able to fast so I donate money to feed those who are hungry.
>
> As for what people eat, it is all relatvie to your culture. Not all
> Muslims are Arab and not all Arabs are Muslim.
You are wrong. All Arabs are muslims and the Arab armies during
crusades consisted of Muslims only. Having said that, here is a nice
movie for nayone interested in:

Saladin (1963) Part (1/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LXbfZZ2JQ
Saladin (1963) Part (2/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR9Sb...eature=related
Saladin (1963) Part (3/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzMfC...eature=related
Saladin (1963) Part (4/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl9Sm...eature=related
Saladin (1963) Part (5/10)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLjNv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9jVr...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VvLu...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kbMw...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRcnS...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPXcd...eature=related

>
> My family is Irish and German and Black. Tonight at my house we are
> having a Martha Stewart recipe from one of her little cook booklets,
> Roast chicken with potatoes, lemon and asparagus. Tonight at my
> daughter's house they are making homemade pizza. *

Goomba wrote:

> I'd like to learn more about what special dishes they feast on?

The dishes served vary depending on exactly where you live. When I lived in
Kuwait and visited Kuwaiti friends, the patriarch of the family always made
a big production out of carrying out a large bowl of rice pilaf and dumping
it onto a communal platter right at the end of the sunset prayer call. There
would be some kind of meat stew, yogurt cheese with olive oil, olives,
dates, and tea. Vegetables (from Jordan) were served as side dishes, and
pastries were served after dinner. Snacks (shwarmas, meat pies, flatbread
with olive oil and dukkah, etc.) were eaten throughout the night.

A few notes about Arab etiquette: It's considered rude to show the soles of
your feet, so people sat tailor-fashion on pillows on the floor. Most eating
was done by hand -- always the RIGHT hand, because the left hand is
considered unclean. (This rule appears to waver a bit nowadays: When Tony
Bourdain visited Saudi Arabia, there was footage of him eating with a Saudi
family, and the people there used both hands for eating. But if in doubt,
it's best to only use the right hand.) Thin soups were sipped out of bowls;
thick soups were either sopped up with the rice or eaten with spoons. (There
*were* utensils, it's just that they didn't see much use.)


> What the rules are for those who can't fast, etc.

People who can't fast for medical reasons are exempt from fasting. The
markets sell what amount to silver-dollar pita rounds so that they can
minimize the negative aspect of breaking the fast.

Observing the fast is considered *important*, so exemptions are not granted
all that readily. In Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the fast becomes LAW during
Ramadan, and offenders can be prosecuted for the criminal offense of
illegally breaking the fast, unless they have an exemption. (One of my
coworkers was stopped and ticketed for smoking in his car during daylight
hours.) It's likely that the Ramadan-fast legal requirement exists in other
Muslim countries too, but I don't know that first-hand.

Ramadan is also the month where women are especially observant about wearing
the burqa, even in countries which are much more liberal at other times of
the year.

Bob

Sharon replied to Bob Muncie:

> Thank you for your kind wishes, Bob. The weather here in Michigan is
> lovely, at least to my way of thinking. It's unseasonably cool with no
> humidity, unlike last week when it was in the 90's with a thousand per
> cent humidity.
>
> Muslims are exempted from fasting if they have health problems. I am not
> a diabetic but I have difficulties fasting nonetheless. My husband
> fasts, as does my daughter, son-in-law and the two oldest children. The
> two youngest give up something. This Ramadan one is not drinking pop,
> the other is not eating sweets.
>
> I've always meant to tell you how nice it is that you give shout-outs
> (for lack of a better word) to Muslims despite all of the nasty flack
> you receive from some posters.

Bob Muncie is the one who personally sent the "kind wishes" to which you
replied. Bob Terwilliger (me) is the one who gives the "shout-outs" to
Muslims. I figure if we can have discussions about the Christian holidays
and the Jewish holidays, why not at least *recognize* the Muslim holidays?
Non-Muslims obviously don't have to participate in the Muslim practices, but
I think a better knowledge of those traditions can only lead to better
relations.

Bob

Manda wrote:

>> Not all Muslims are Arab and not all Arabs are Muslim.
>
> You are wrong. All Arabs are muslims and the Arab armies during
> crusades consisted of Muslims only.

Are you trolling here, or just ignorant? "All Arabs are Muslims" is clearly
false. Arabs belong to a specific ethnic group, a specific Semitic tribe.
Islam isn't carried in their blood; it's something passed on from generation
to generation.

If you truly believe what you wrote, your depth of ignorance is appalling,
and you really ought to educate yourself further before you post another
word on this topic. If you know it to be false but you wrote it anyway,
you're a troll.

Which is it?

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Sharon replied to Bob Muncie:
>
>> Thank you for your kind wishes, Bob. The weather here in Michigan is
>> lovely, at least to my way of thinking. It's unseasonably cool with no
>> humidity, unlike last week when it was in the 90's with a thousand per
>> cent humidity.
>>
>> Muslims are exempted from fasting if they have health problems. I am not
>> a diabetic but I have difficulties fasting nonetheless. My husband
>> fasts, as does my daughter, son-in-law and the two oldest children. The
>> two youngest give up something. This Ramadan one is not drinking pop,
>> the other is not eating sweets.
>>
>> I've always meant to tell you how nice it is that you give shout-outs
>> (for lack of a better word) to Muslims despite all of the nasty flack
>> you receive from some posters.
>
> Bob Muncie is the one who personally sent the "kind wishes" to which you
> replied. Bob Terwilliger (me) is the one who gives the "shout-outs" to
> Muslims. I figure if we can have discussions about the Christian holidays
> and the Jewish holidays, why not at least *recognize* the Muslim holidays?
> Non-Muslims obviously don't have to participate in the Muslim practices,
> but
> I think a better knowledge of those traditions can only lead to better
> relations.
>
> Bob

Sharon -

I think Bob and I both have good wishes for you no matter your religion.
So please go forward thinking kind things about the both of us :-)

I sent you the personal email thanking you for you kind words <blush>,
feel free to share. Giving to others is usually a good thing.

Bob

Sharon Chilson wrote:
> Thank you for your kind wishes, Bob. The weather here in Michigan is
> lovely, at least to my way of thinking. It's unseasonably cool with no
> humidity, unlike last week when it was in the 90's with a thousand per
> cent humidity.
>
> Muslims are exempted from fasting if they have health problems. I am not
> a diabetic but I have difficulties fasting nonetheless. My husband
> fasts, as does my daughter, son-in-law and the two oldest children. The
> two youngest give up something. This Ramadan one is not drinking pop,
> the other is not eating sweets.
>
> I've always meant to tell you how nice it is that you give shout-outs
> (for lack of a better word) to Muslims despite all of the nasty flack
> you receive from some posters.
>


People everywhere need to stop equating Muslim with terrorist just as
they should stop equating American with stupid.

gloria p

Sharon Chilson wrote:
> I seem to have gotten my Bobs confused! Sorry about that. It's Bob T (I
> don't want to misspell your last name) who is always so kind with the
> shout-outs. And Bob Muncie's post I was just responding to.
>


Have you ever read Dr. Seuss's "Too Many Daves"?
Quite funny.

gloria p

SF, that's the recipe! It is so good. I cook the chicken about an hour,
a bit longer than Martha says to, and I use a little bit more butter. It
comes out wonderful. I hope you enjoy it.

On Aug 23, 11:08*am, Gloria P > wrote:
> Sharon Chilson wrote:
> > Thank you for your kind wishes, Bob. The weather here in Michigan is
> > lovely, at least to my way of thinking. It's unseasonably cool with no
> > humidity, unlike last week when it was in the 90's with a thousand per
> > cent humidity.
>
> > Muslims are exempted from fasting if they have health problems. I am not
> > a diabetic but I have difficulties fasting nonetheless. My husband
> > fasts, as does my daughter, son-in-law and the two oldest children. The
> > two youngest give up something. This Ramadan one is not drinking pop,
> > the other is not eating sweets.
>
> > I've always meant to tell you how nice it is that you give shout-outs
> > (for lack of a better word) to Muslims despite all of the nasty flack
> > you receive from some posters.
>
> People everywhere need to stop equating Muslim with terrorist just as
> they should stop equating American with stupid.
>
> gloria p

I'm a nice Jewish girl (fascinated by comparative religion ) who is
really thankful when folks post about Muslim holidays - they are not
noted on many English calendars. I also especially like to hear/read
about holiday foods, rituals, beliefs. Food is a great connector for
diverse cultures!
Lynn in Fargo

On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:39:54 -0400, (Sharon
Chilson) wrote:

>
>SF, that's the recipe! It is so good. I cook the chicken about an hour,
>a bit longer than Martha says to, and I use a little bit more butter. It
>comes out wonderful. I hope you enjoy it.

Sharon... I spatchcock chicken regularly and it takes more like an
hour. Do chicken parts really take only 20 minutes?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

I'll tell you what, SF, in my world even chicken parts take close to an
hour. I don't know, maybe the chickens I buy are fatter than the ones
Martha Stewart uses. But undercooked chicken is so totally uacceptable.

"Sharon Chilson" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'll tell you what, SF, in my world even chicken parts take close to an
> hour. I don't know, maybe the chickens I buy are fatter than the ones
> Martha Stewart uses. But undercooked chicken is so totally uacceptable.
>

In the oven, an hour sounds about right. On the grill, I'm usually done in
30 minutes as you have more radiant heat.

On Aug 22, 9:20*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Manda wrote:
> >> Not all Muslims are Arab and not all Arabs are Muslim.
>
> > You are wrong. *All Arabs are muslims and the Arab armies during
> > crusades consisted of *Muslims only.
>
> Are you trolling here, or just ignorant? "All Arabs are Muslims" is clearly
> false. Arabs belong to a specific ethnic group, a specific Semitic tribe.
> Islam isn't carried in their blood; it's something passed on from generation
> to generation.

Obviously, you didn't get my scarcasm (toward average Americans). All
average non-Americans knows the difference.
>
> If you truly believe what you wrote, your depth of ignorance is appalling,
Being a non-American, I, by default, shouldn't be considered ignorant
on this topic,duh!

> and you really ought to educate yourself further before you post another
> word on this topic. If you know it to be false but you wrote it anyway,
> you're a troll.
>
> Which is it?

What about a thrid option of making fun of the Americans? I can
live with that cus they deserve it.

>
> Bob

On Aug 22, 9:10*pm, "Bob Terwilliger" >
wrote:
> Goomba wrote:
> > I'd like to learn more about what special dishes they feast on?
>
> The dishes served vary depending on exactly where you live. When I lived in
> Kuwait and visited Kuwaiti friends, the patriarch of the family always made
> a big production out of carrying out a large bowl of rice pilaf and dumping
> it onto a communal platter right at the end of the sunset prayer call. There
> would be some kind of meat stew, yogurt cheese with olive oil, olives,
> dates, and tea. Vegetables (from Jordan) were served as side dishes, and
> pastries were served after dinner. Snacks (shwarmas, meat pies, flatbread
> with olive oil and dukkah, etc.) were eaten throughout the night.
>
> A few notes about Arab etiquette: It's considered rude to show the soles of
> your feet, so people sat tailor-fashion on pillows on the floor. Most eating
> was done by hand -- always the RIGHT hand, because the left hand is
> considered unclean. (This rule appears to waver a bit nowadays: When Tony
> Bourdain visited Saudi Arabia, there was footage of him eating with a Saudi
> family, and the people there used both hands for eating. But if in doubt,
> it's best to only use the right hand.) Thin soups were sipped out of bowls;
> thick soups were either sopped up with the rice or eaten with spoons. (There
> *were* utensils, it's just that they didn't see much use.)
>
> > What the rules are for those who can't fast, etc.
>
> People who can't fast for medical reasons are exempt from fasting. The
> markets sell what amount to silver-dollar pita rounds so that they can
> minimize the negative aspect of breaking the fast.
>
> Observing the fast is considered *important*, so exemptions are not granted
> all that readily. In Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the fast becomes LAW during
> Ramadan, and offenders can be prosecuted for the criminal offense of
> illegally breaking the fast, unless they have an exemption. (One of my
> coworkers was stopped and ticketed for smoking in his car during daylight
> hours.) It's likely that the Ramadan-fast legal requirement exists in other
> Muslim countries too, but I don't know that first-hand.
>
> Ramadan is also the month where women are especially observant about
> wearing the burqa, even in countries which are much more liberal at other
> times of the year.

Not in the communities of non middle eastern countries. Beside, burqa
os worn only by a very selective group of people. The norm usually is
hijab.

>
> Bob

Goomba wrote:
>
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > This morning marked the first day of the Muslim month of Ramadan. During
> > this month, Muslims are prohibited from eating, drinking, smoking or
> > participating in "excessive" activities during the hours between dawn and
> > sunset. ("Dawn" in this context means a time when the sky is light but
> > before the sun rises. The actual time calculations vary depending on what
> > sect of Islam is being followed.)
> >
> > While this sounds pretty harsh, it should be noted that most Muslim families
> > have veritable FEASTS every night during Ramadan. In order to make the
> > fasting daylight hours more tolerable, business hours during Ramadan in
> > Muslim countries are usually shifted so that people can stay up most of the
> > night. In fact, Wikipedia notes, "Muslims may continue to eat and drink
> > after the sun has set until the next morning's fajr prayer call." (Fajr is
> > the first prayer call of the day, taking at dawn.)
> >
>
> I don't find this OT at all. It deals with a holiday and eating
> practices during that time. I'd like to learn more about what special
> dishes they feast on? What the rules are for those who can't fast, etc.


There are no specific rules. Travellers (but not commuters) are exempt,
the elderly are exempt, pregnant/nursing women are exempt, small
children, anyone who is ill or has other medical reasons etc. There are
ways to 'make up' for missing a day but nothing written in stone as
such.

The special dishes for breaking the fast (iftar) vary with the culture.
Sweets are often very important. Dates and water are common if dates are
available.

Good time to go begging

Or look scruffy uptown

when I was a gardener in Central London, a sloe-eyed
young lady gave me a twenty quid note because that's
what rich folks are supposed to do to poor people at
the end of Ramadan

--
Song in memory of my father http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/

On Aug 22, 11:05*pm, Manda Ruby > wrote:
> On Aug 22, 4:12*pm, (Sharon Chilson) wrote:> I am not able to fast so I donate money to feed those who are hungry.
>
> > As for what people eat, it is all relatvie to your culture. Not all
> > Muslims are Arab and not all Arabs are Muslim.
>
> You are wrong. *All Arabs are muslims and the Arab armies during
> crusades consisted of *Muslims only. *Having said that, here is a nice
> movie for nayone interested in:
>
> Saladin (1963) Part (1/10)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6LXbfZZ2JQ

Saladin was a Kurd, not an Arab.

Some Arabs are Christian.

On Aug 22, 11:05*pm, Manda Ruby > wrote:
> On Aug 22, 4:12*pm, (Sharon Chilson) wrote:> I am not able to fast so I donate money to feed those who are hungry.
>
> > As for what people eat, it is all relatvie to your culture. Not all
> > Muslims are Arab and not all Arabs are Muslim.
>
> You are wrong. *All Arabs are muslims and the Arab armies during
> crusades consisted of *Muslims only. *

Except the ones who are Christians. During the Crusades, the armies
fighting the Europeans were primarily Muslim, altho there may have
been some dhimmis conscripted.

maxine in ri

On Aug 23, 3:44*pm, (Sharon Chilson) wrote:
> I'll tell you what, SF, in my world even chicken parts take close to an
> hour. I don't know, maybe the chickens I buy are fatter than the ones
> Martha Stewart uses. But undercooked chicken is so totally uacceptable.

If you're cooking the chicken in the oven and it's not done within
10-15 minutes +/- the given time for the size chicken indicated, check
the temperature of your oven. Even brand new ones can be off by 25-50
degrees, and either the oven can be adjusted, or you should adjust
your cooking temperature.

It can make a world of difference!

maxine in ri

Gill Smith wrote:
>
> Good time to go begging
>
> Or look scruffy uptown
>
> when I was a gardener in Central London, a sloe-eyed
> young lady gave me a twenty quid note because that's
> what rich folks are supposed to do to poor people at
> the end of Ramadan


Charity is one of the 'pillars' of Islam, as it is in other religions.
Used to help out some charities in London with collection in the nearest
Tube station. During Ramadan, the Muslims in the area did indeed
contribute more, even when it was an obviously Christian charity.