In article >,
Becca > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > Right now I'm just enjoying them fresh now that I know how easy they
> > are. I had some leftover saute'd shrimp from yesterday and had
> > purchased some fresh sprouts as well.
> >
> > Lunch today was 3 large spring rolls with 6 shrimp each coated with a
> > little mustard, a bit of my thinly sliced canadian bacon, clover sprouts
> > and shredded baby spinach.
>
> After all this talk of spring rolls, we are making them tonight.
> Technically I guess they are really "summer rolls", but I started
> wanting them the moment Om mentioned them. I looked at the package and
> it has 19 grams of carbs for 3 wrappers. Not bad. I made a peanut
> sauce this morning.
>
> Last week, we kept talking about bean dip, so I had to make some of
> that. It doesn't take much effort to get me into trouble. :-P
>
>
> Becca

<laughs> I know exactly what you mean.

We are finally getting a few desperately needed thunder storms here this
week.

I blame it on the weather and the moon phases!
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Omelet wrote:


>... I try to be strict.
> Once in awhile the will gets weak. <G>
> And it ain't beneficial.
>
>


Does low-carbing work for you (the personal you) forever?

Two relatives of mine tried it, lost lots of weight, then slowly
regained it when they went on not-so-strict maintenance.

One of them tried it again, strictly, and it did not work for
her at all the second time. She has now started with a dietician
or nutritionist (can't remember) and seems to be doing well on
whayever diet and supplement they agreed on.

gloria p

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-08-28, Christine Dabney > wrote:
>
> > It wasn't the Butterbrickle I remembered. Yes, the background
> > flavor was the same, but there was almost no brickle bits in the ice
> > cream.
>
> That's pretty much the case with all "brickle" ice creams and why I
> gave up looking for any version years ago.

Breyers has a Heath bar flavor, but it's not pure Butter Brickle (my
favorite as a kid). It's Heath chips, so there's chocolate too. It's ok.



Brian

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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:55:35 -0400, Tracy wrote:
>
> > I have had rice paper rolls deep fried. The filling was really simple
> > though, maybe rice noodle, and some shredded vegetables. I made them
> > with my cousin-in-law. We used smaller rice papers by cutting the big
> > ones into quarters.
>
> I don't believe you. As someone who makes tons of egg/spring rolls,
> I'm betting you used a wheat-based wrapper. Rice papers do not
> stick together when immersed into hot oil. And when they get
> crispy, they get hard. Hard just like they are before you
> rehydrated them. Try eating a rice paper fresh out of the package
> for a demonstration.
>
> -sw

No, banh trang are fryable. Have had enough cha gio made by Vietnamese
people in their kitchens. They didn't use wheat-based wrappers. They
weren't hard, but were crisp after frying. Texture was nothing like
taking one straight out of the package.
Quick dip in water to soften, wrap and tuck, fry.

In article >,
Gloria P > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
>
> >... I try to be strict.
> > Once in awhile the will gets weak. <G>
> > And it ain't beneficial.
> >
> >
>
>
> Does low-carbing work for you (the personal you) forever?

Yes it does, if I'm strict.

It's great for maintenance and good for weight loss but no matter what
diet plan you follow, total calories still count.

That's physics. <g>

>
> Two relatives of mine tried it, lost lots of weight, then slowly
> regained it when they went on not-so-strict maintenance.

It's easy to over-cheat. I've btdt.

>
> One of them tried it again, strictly, and it did not work for
> her at all the second time.

It has yet to fail me, but everybody is different and like I said, even
on a STRICT no starch/sugar diet, totals still count. Some people don't
realize that.


> She has now started with a dietician
> or nutritionist (can't remember) and seems to be doing well on
> whayever diet and supplement they agreed on.
>
> gloria p

I'm glad she found something that worked for her. :-)

I say this about dieting. Find what works for you and stick with it, no
matter whether it's Atkins, Zone, South Beach, Weight Watchers, etc.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Christine wrote:

> I found what was called Butterbrickle ice cream, on the package. Now
> Butterbrickle was one of my all time favorite ice creams... I decided
> to splurge and get it...
> It wasn't the Butterbrickle I remembered. Yes, the background flavor
> was the same, but there was almost no brickle bits in the ice cream. I
> seem to remember little bits of brickle in there... Very
> disappointing....

Someone posted a recipe for butter brickle here; I saved the recipe on my
computer at home. Seems like it ought to be fairly easy to make the ice
cream once you've got the brickle.

Contrary to what others have posted, I note that the butter brickle I
remember from my youth was *not* the same as the toffee inside Heath bars.
It was both softer and lighter in color.

I'm not sure when I'll be able to post the recipe I have for butter brickle;
the next week or so will be a whirlwind of activity for me. But I'll try to
get around to it.

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Christine wrote:
>
>> I found what was called Butterbrickle ice cream, on the package. Now
>> Butterbrickle was one of my all time favorite ice creams... I decided
>> to splurge and get it...
>> It wasn't the Butterbrickle I remembered. Yes, the background flavor
>> was the same, but there was almost no brickle bits in the ice cream. I
>> seem to remember little bits of brickle in there... Very
>> disappointing....
>
> Someone posted a recipe for butter brickle here; I saved the recipe on my
> computer at home. Seems like it ought to be fairly easy to make the ice
> cream once you've got the brickle.
>
> Contrary to what others have posted, I note that the butter brickle I
> remember from my youth was *not* the same as the toffee inside Heath bars.
> It was both softer and lighter in color.
>
> I'm not sure when I'll be able to post the recipe I have for butter
> brickle; the next week or so will be a whirlwind of activity for me. But
> I'll try to get around to it.
>
> Bob

http://www.rainforestwebs.com/recipes/hokey.html gets close

atec 7 7 wrote:
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> Christine wrote:
>>
>>> I found what was called Butterbrickle ice cream, on the package. Now
>>> Butterbrickle was one of my all time favorite ice creams... I decided
>>> to splurge and get it...
>>> It wasn't the Butterbrickle I remembered. Yes, the background flavor
>>> was the same, but there was almost no brickle bits in the ice cream. I
>>> seem to remember little bits of brickle in there... Very
>>> disappointing....
>>
>> Someone posted a recipe for butter brickle here; I saved the recipe on my
>> computer at home. Seems like it ought to be fairly easy to make the ice
>> cream once you've got the brickle.
>>
>> Contrary to what others have posted, I note that the butter brickle I
>> remember from my youth was *not* the same as the toffee inside Heath
>> bars.
>> It was both softer and lighter in color.
>>
>> I'm not sure when I'll be able to post the recipe I have for butter
>> brickle; the next week or so will be a whirlwind of activity for me.
>> But I'll try to get around to it.
>>
>> Bob
>
> http://www.rainforestwebs.com/recipes/hokey.html gets close

Since I've never tried "butter brickle", I'm curious. Is it like butter
scotch bits, peanut brittle, or something else?

bob

On 2009-08-29, Bob Muncie > wrote:

> scotch bits, peanut brittle, or something else?

Basically, a brittle. Mainly an English toffee brittle instead of a
soft toffee.

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2009-08-29, Bob Muncie > wrote:
>
> > scotch bits, peanut brittle, or something else?
>
> Basically, a brittle. Mainly an English toffee brittle instead of a
> soft toffee.
>
> nb

That's what I wondered! Just like a 'heath' bar?? maybe?

Sky

--
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Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice!!

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-08-29, Bob Muncie > wrote:
>
>> scotch bits, peanut brittle, or something else?
>
> Basically, a brittle. Mainly an English toffee brittle instead of a
> soft toffee.
>
> nb

Thanks nb. That I can relate to. One of my favorite candy bars is a
Heath Toffee bar.

Other than doing the bag-in-bag ice cream method, I don't have a method
to make it, but I can acquire the method/recipe in hopes I break down
and buy a maker some day. Or maybe, I can trade something else for it. I
have several things in unused condition and still in the box that the
wife bought me (non-cook) for holidays and birthdays, I could trade
maybe for an ice cream maker. You never know.

Thanks for the info.

Bob

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-08-29, Bob Muncie > wrote:
>
>> scotch bits, peanut brittle, or something else?
>
> Basically, a brittle. Mainly an English toffee brittle instead of a
> soft toffee.
>
> nb
look up Voilet crumble or Cadbury crunch
a crisp crunchy crumbly incredibly sweet melt in your mouth sweet


http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=e...chie&spel l=1

http://www.google.com.au/#hl=en&q=vi...21300824eaa645
or in your terms hokey pokey/butterscotch

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> Gloria P > wrote:
>
>
>>Omelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>... I try to be strict.
>>>Once in awhile the will gets weak. <G>
>>>And it ain't beneficial.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Does low-carbing work for you (the personal you) forever?
>
>
> Yes it does, if I'm strict.
>
> It's great for maintenance and good for weight loss but no matter what
> diet plan you follow, total calories still count.
>
> That's physics. <g>
>
>>Two relatives of mine tried it, lost lots of weight, then slowly
>>regained it when they went on not-so-strict maintenance.
>
>
> It's easy to over-cheat. I've btdt.
>
>
>>One of them tried it again, strictly, and it did not work for
>>her at all the second time.
>
>
> It has yet to fail me, but everybody is different and like I said, even
> on a STRICT no starch/sugar diet, totals still count. Some people don't
> realize that.
>
>
>
>>She has now started with a dietician
>>or nutritionist (can't remember) and seems to be doing well on
>>whayever diet and supplement they agreed on.
>>
>>gloria p
>
>
> I'm glad she found something that worked for her. :-)
>
> I say this about dieting. Find what works for you and stick with it, no
> matter whether it's Atkins, Zone, South Beach, Weight Watchers, etc.

I know several people who have done the low carb thing several times
apiece (and that alone tells you something). There's no doubt that when
you're strict the pounds come off. But i have yet to meet a single
person who was able to keep the weight off after moving to the so-called
maintenance phase.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> I know several people who have done the low carb thing several times
> apiece (and that alone tells you something). There's no doubt that when
> you're strict the pounds come off. But i have yet to meet a single
> person who was able to keep the weight off after moving to the so-called
> maintenance phase.

I'm cautiously optimistic at the moment. I was able to maintain my
weight for a good 5 years at right around 250 lbs. Neither gaining nor
losing, living a fairly low carb lifestyle. It was not strict, but I
did watch it.

Having to fight low thyroid levels is not helpful, and I've also been
fairly sedentary for awhile.

I do exersize quite a bit more now, but only because it makes me feel
good and increases my mobility. I really don't think I work hard enough
to burn a significant number of calories.

Probably why the weight loss has been so slow. <g>

I started this mess in June 2008 and I've only lost 60 lbs... <sigh>
I try to be strict all the time, but I'm only human.
Pain is a good incentive, but the therapy I'm getting is helping to
control that issue a LOT. Last Friday, I was in a considerable amount
of pain when I got to the Chiropractors office. When I left, I was
virtually pain free for a good 4 days. :-) And I'm still better now
than I was then.

It's not just the spinal adjustments. That particular office also offers
other therapies such as traction and electrostim/ultrasound to help
relax muscle spasms.

I have my own EMS unit, but I don't use it that often. If it's
over-used, it tends to leave small electrical burns under the electrodes.
The damned thing feels so good, it's easy and tempting to abuse it.
<sigh>
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Omelet wrote:

> I have my own EMS unit, but I don't use it that often. If it's
> over-used, it tends to leave small electrical burns under the electrodes.
> The damned thing feels so good, it's easy and tempting to abuse it.
> <sigh>

I've got one of those, too. I usually don't think to use it until my
back is giving me unholy hell, but it does give some relief. Last time,
though, I had to position the electrodes on my own and ended up spacing
them too far apart. I dialed up the current... Nothing. Bumped it up
a notch. Nothing. Turned it up all the way and my abs started jumping.
Wonder how well that would work as an alternative to situps?

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > I have my own EMS unit, but I don't use it that often. If it's
> > over-used, it tends to leave small electrical burns under the electrodes.
> > The damned thing feels so good, it's easy and tempting to abuse it.
> > <sigh>
>
> I've got one of those, too. I usually don't think to use it until my
> back is giving me unholy hell, but it does give some relief. Last time,
> though, I had to position the electrodes on my own and ended up spacing
> them too far apart. I dialed up the current... Nothing. Bumped it up
> a notch. Nothing. Turned it up all the way and my abs started jumping.
> Wonder how well that would work as an alternative to situps?

<grins>

Try this. Place the electrodes before plugging them in. It's easier.
I place mine about 2" above and 1" below the SI joint. Those little
indentations in your back right above your butt.

Then plug the leads into the pigtails, CROSSING them over. Put the red
one from one lead into the upper right electrode, and the black one from
the same lead into the bottom left electrode. Same pattern with the
opposite one.

Sweet relief from lower back pain...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
>
>>Omelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have my own EMS unit, but I don't use it that often. If it's
>>>over-used, it tends to leave small electrical burns under the electrodes.
>>>The damned thing feels so good, it's easy and tempting to abuse it.
>>><sigh>
>>
>>I've got one of those, too. I usually don't think to use it until my
>>back is giving me unholy hell, but it does give some relief. Last time,
>>though, I had to position the electrodes on my own and ended up spacing
>>them too far apart. I dialed up the current... Nothing. Bumped it up
>>a notch. Nothing. Turned it up all the way and my abs started jumping.
>> Wonder how well that would work as an alternative to situps?
>
>
> <grins>
>
> Try this. Place the electrodes before plugging them in. It's easier.
> I place mine about 2" above and 1" below the SI joint. Those little
> indentations in your back right above your butt.
>
> Then plug the leads into the pigtails, CROSSING them over. Put the red
> one from one lead into the upper right electrode, and the black one from
> the same lead into the bottom left electrode. Same pattern with the
> opposite one.
>
> Sweet relief from lower back pain...

That's pretty much what I do. But my back pain is mid-thoracic. Hence
the difficulty is slapping the electrodes into the correct position on
my own.

Omelet > wrote in
news
> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
>> Omelet wrote:
>>
>> > I have my own EMS unit, but I don't use it that often. If it's
>> > over-used, it tends to leave small electrical burns under the
>> > electrodes. The damned thing feels so good, it's easy and tempting to
>> > abuse it. <sigh>
>>
>> I've got one of those, too. I usually don't think to use it until my
>> back is giving me unholy hell, but it does give some relief. Last
>> time, though, I had to position the electrodes on my own and ended up
>> spacing them too far apart. I dialed up the current... Nothing.
>> Bumped it up a notch. Nothing. Turned it up all the way and my abs
>> started jumping.
>> Wonder how well that would work as an alternative to situps?
>
> <grins>
>
> Try this. Place the electrodes before plugging them in. It's easier.
> I place mine about 2" above and 1" below the SI joint. Those little
> indentations in your back right above your butt.
>
> Then plug the leads into the pigtails, CROSSING them over. Put the red
> one from one lead into the upper right electrode, and the black one from
> the same lead into the bottom left electrode. Same pattern with the
> opposite one.
>
> Sweet relief from lower back pain...


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! EMS = TENS.

Veterans Affairs bought me one of those things *ages* ago. I finally
dragged it out the other day and recharged the batteries to see if it
actually works!!

Had a look at a couple of websites, and found that you can now get
*humungous* electrodes!!

http://www.tensaustralia.com/home.asp



--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> > Try this. Place the electrodes before plugging them in. It's easier.
> > I place mine about 2" above and 1" below the SI joint. Those little
> > indentations in your back right above your butt.
> >
> > Then plug the leads into the pigtails, CROSSING them over. Put the red
> > one from one lead into the upper right electrode, and the black one from
> > the same lead into the bottom left electrode. Same pattern with the
> > opposite one.
> >
> > Sweet relief from lower back pain...
>
> That's pretty much what I do. But my back pain is mid-thoracic. Hence
> the difficulty is slapping the electrodes into the correct position on
> my own.

Ah, got it. I've put them on the upper back too for mid-back spasms but
yes, it's harder to place them up there.

Need to do more yoga exercises to increase shoulder flexibility. <g>
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> Omelet > wrote in
> news >
> > In article >,
> > Kathleen > wrote:
> >
> >> Omelet wrote:
> >>
> >> > I have my own EMS unit, but I don't use it that often. If it's
> >> > over-used, it tends to leave small electrical burns under the
> >> > electrodes. The damned thing feels so good, it's easy and tempting to
> >> > abuse it. <sigh>
> >>
> >> I've got one of those, too. I usually don't think to use it until my
> >> back is giving me unholy hell, but it does give some relief. Last
> >> time, though, I had to position the electrodes on my own and ended up
> >> spacing them too far apart. I dialed up the current... Nothing.
> >> Bumped it up a notch. Nothing. Turned it up all the way and my abs
> >> started jumping.
> >> Wonder how well that would work as an alternative to situps?
> >
> > <grins>
> >
> > Try this. Place the electrodes before plugging them in. It's easier.
> > I place mine about 2" above and 1" below the SI joint. Those little
> > indentations in your back right above your butt.
> >
> > Then plug the leads into the pigtails, CROSSING them over. Put the red
> > one from one lead into the upper right electrode, and the black one from
> > the same lead into the bottom left electrode. Same pattern with the
> > opposite one.
> >
> > Sweet relief from lower back pain...
>
>
> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! EMS = TENS.

No, EMS does NOT = TENS babe.
They transmit a different frequency.
TENS is specific for blocking pain while EMS stimulates muscle
contractions and reduces spasticity.

>
> Veterans Affairs bought me one of those things *ages* ago. I finally
> dragged it out the other day and recharged the batteries to see if it
> actually works!!
>
> Had a look at a couple of websites, and found that you can now get
> *humungous* electrodes!!
>
> http://www.tensaustralia.com/home.asp

Electronic pain relief, it it can work for you, is far better than drugs
imho. :-) I can even use this thing at work if I'm really hurting as it
fits discreetly under my scrubs and clips to the waist of my pants.

I get my stuff he

http://www.medicalproductsonline.org/

And here is the unit I have:

http://www.medicalproductsonline.org/meprondi75mu.html

If I use it like Dr. Stamps tells me to, I can be almost pain free for a
few hours after each treatment when I'm having a bad flare up.
It's better than Ibuprofen...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> Had a look at a couple of websites, and found that you can now get
> *humungous* electrodes!!
>
> http://www.tensaustralia.com/home.asp
>
>
>
> --
> Peter Lucas

Wow, that's cool! I'd not seen those.

Electronic relief from labor pain would be SO much safer than an
epidural!!! Those things are not without risk. They've caused permanent
damage to some women. I've spoken with a few nurses in OB that can
attest to that.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:03:03 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:17:22 -0700, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>>
>>> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Go hug a shark and leave the food chain to us.
>>>
>>> You won't have a marine food chain without sharks, they're that crucial.
>>> Actually you can hug some sharks. I'm in a charitable mood tonight, so I
>>> will dismiss your blather as an aborted attempt at humor.
>>>
>>> Don't push it.
>>
>> I guess you forgot that you wrote:
>>
>> "And if anyone wants to flame me, be my guest but don't expect me to
>> reply."
>>
>> I win again!
>
> That's a flame? Talk about pathetic.
>
> Paul

Care to go best out of 5, loser?

-sw

Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>
>>Had a look at a couple of websites, and found that you can now get
>>*humungous* electrodes!!
>>
>>http://www.tensaustralia.com/home.asp
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Peter Lucas
>
>
> Wow, that's cool! I'd not seen those.
>
> Electronic relief from labor pain would be SO much safer than an
> epidural!!! Those things are not without risk. They've caused permanent
> damage to some women. I've spoken with a few nurses in OB that can
> attest to that.

I had epidurals with both kids. Almost complete relief from pain - with
my son ar one point I was starting to hurt on one side. I told the
nurse and she and the anesthesiologist rolled me over onto the affected
side and the pain subsided almost instantly, whereupon they rolled me
back into an upright position. Very strange, but effective. Maybe they
had to slosh the anesthetic around the epidural space.

With both kids, as I said, there was little or no pain, I was still able
to push effectively and I regained movement and sensation within hours.
The idea of having somebody stick a needle in your back is certainly
creepy but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > PeterL > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Had a look at a couple of websites, and found that you can now get
> >>*humungous* electrodes!!
> >>
> >>http://www.tensaustralia.com/home.asp
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Peter Lucas
> >
> >
> > Wow, that's cool! I'd not seen those.
> >
> > Electronic relief from labor pain would be SO much safer than an
> > epidural!!! Those things are not without risk. They've caused permanent
> > damage to some women. I've spoken with a few nurses in OB that can
> > attest to that.
>
> I had epidurals with both kids. Almost complete relief from pain - with
> my son ar one point I was starting to hurt on one side. I told the
> nurse and she and the anesthesiologist rolled me over onto the affected
> side and the pain subsided almost instantly, whereupon they rolled me
> back into an upright position. Very strange, but effective. Maybe they
> had to slosh the anesthetic around the epidural space.
>
> With both kids, as I said, there was little or no pain, I was still able
> to push effectively and I regained movement and sensation within hours.
> The idea of having somebody stick a needle in your back is certainly
> creepy but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

Most women do ok, but it's still not without risk. I know one nurse
that said she has had incontinance issues and permanent numbness in one
leg that she did not have before she got the epidural.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> Kathleen > wrote:
>
>
>>Omelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article >,
>>> PeterL > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Had a look at a couple of websites, and found that you can now get
>>>>*humungous* electrodes!!
>>>>
>>>>http://www.tensaustralia.com/home.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Peter Lucas
>>>
>>>
>>>Wow, that's cool! I'd not seen those.
>>>
>>>Electronic relief from labor pain would be SO much safer than an
>>>epidural!!! Those things are not without risk. They've caused permanent
>>>damage to some women. I've spoken with a few nurses in OB that can
>>>attest to that.
>>
>>I had epidurals with both kids. Almost complete relief from pain - with
>>my son ar one point I was starting to hurt on one side. I told the
>>nurse and she and the anesthesiologist rolled me over onto the affected
>>side and the pain subsided almost instantly, whereupon they rolled me
>>back into an upright position. Very strange, but effective. Maybe they
>>had to slosh the anesthetic around the epidural space.
>>
>>With both kids, as I said, there was little or no pain, I was still able
>>to push effectively and I regained movement and sensation within hours.
>> The idea of having somebody stick a needle in your back is certainly
>>creepy but I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.
>
>
> Most women do ok, but it's still not without risk. I know one nurse
> that said she has had incontinance issues and permanent numbness in one
> leg that she did not have before she got the epidural.

I've got some numbness in my left leg but that started with agonizing
sciatica during the third trimester of my first pregnancy. Well before
the epidural was administered, not that I wasn't wishing desperately for
some sort of pain relief... :-)

And I'm sure I don't need to point out that incontinence can result from
childbirth, period.

In article >,
Kathleen > wrote:

> > Most women do ok, but it's still not without risk. I know one nurse
> > that said she has had incontinance issues and permanent numbness in one
> > leg that she did not have before she got the epidural.
>
> I've got some numbness in my left leg but that started with agonizing
> sciatica during the third trimester of my first pregnancy. Well before
> the epidural was administered, not that I wasn't wishing desperately for
> some sort of pain relief... :-)
>
> And I'm sure I don't need to point out that incontinence can result from
> childbirth, period.

I won't argue with that. <g> But she specifically told me that she did
not have that problem during the pregnancy... She blames it on the
epidural.

Deep standing lunges, air squats and step-ups, (exercises to re-build
core strength in the hips and hamstrings) can also help to re-strengthen
the muscles of the pelvic floor and help correct that problem along with
kegel exercises.

I know that from personal experience...

Dr. Perry (my therapist) has taught me a lot. I can move better now than
I've been able to in years, and I no longer have a prolapsed uterus
according to my regular Dr. and my last checkup! A pleasant and
unexpected surprise.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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