Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
supply of bags, you'd best start searching.

This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.

Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.

N.

"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
| Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
| supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
|
| This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
| have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
| happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
|
| Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
| well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
|
| N.

Thanks for the warning; on today's shopping list.

pavane

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 >
wrote:

-->Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
-->supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
-->
-->This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
-->have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
-->happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
-->
-->Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
-->well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
-->
-->N.

DecOsonic makes a nice one

On Sep 14, 8:28*am, ffu > wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2 >
> wrote:
>
> -->Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. *If you need a
> -->supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
> -->
> -->This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
> -->have room for a counter-top food saver. *Damn. *I hate when that
> -->happens. *None of my local stores has any bags left.
> -->
> -->Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
> -->well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
> -->
> -->N.
>
> DecOsonic makes a nice one

I've never heard of Decosonic - I Googled, but don't see any hand-
held ones, only counter-top.

Apparently, the Handi-Vac can be used with Ziploc brand vacuum bags
(they sell a hand-operated pump thingie) - with a little maneuvering.

I have another clue from someone who said FoodSaver is making a hand-
operated (small) unit. I'll have to check that out.

N.

On Sep 14, 9:04*am, Nancy2 > wrote:
> Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. *If you need a
> supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
> This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
> have room for a counter-top food saver. *Damn. *I hate when that
> happens. *None of my local stores has any bags left.
>
> Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
> well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>
> N.

Will nothing else fit or adapt?

Maybe the stuff will end up in a Big Lots??

Nancy2 wrote:
> Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
> supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
> This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
> have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
> happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
>
> Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
> well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>
> N.

The Reynolds bags started to become scarce here quite a while ago. I got
one of those Zip Lock hand pumps and I like it much better.

I have a small sized Food Saver. I don't like it. You have to pre-freeze
anything even slightly wet, like a steak, or it will break. I tried the
Reynolds thingie and it was okay but very, very noisy and slow. Then I
got the hand pump and I like it the best. There are usually coupons in
the paper to save on two Zip Lock packages of bags and I use them to get
more bags.

--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

On Sep 14, 10:48*am, Janet Wilder > wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> > Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. *If you need a
> > supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
> > This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
> > have room for a counter-top food saver. *Damn. *I hate when that
> > happens. *None of my local stores has any bags left.
>
> > Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
> > well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>
> > N.
>
> The Reynolds bags started to become scarce here quite a while ago. I got
> one of those Zip Lock hand pumps and I like it much better.
>
> I have a small sized Food Saver. I don't like it. You have to pre-freeze
> anything even slightly wet, like a steak, or it will break. I tried the
> Reynolds thingie and it was okay but very, very noisy and slow. Then I
> got the hand pump and I like it the best. There are usually coupons in
> the paper to save on two Zip Lock packages of bags and I use them to get
> more bags.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. *Cooking does.

I like the battery-operated Handi-Vac - wasn't ever slow for me,
although it did make some noise, it worked so fast, it wasn't a big
deal. Why stand there and push that stupid hand pump if you don't
have to? Each to own, I guess. I could also go back to sucking air
out with a straw, if it came to that....but plain ol' Ziplocs aren't
air-tight.

I ordered the hand-held FoodSaver (it's called "FreshSaver," I guess)
- they tout it as being for left-over deli meat and cheese, but if the
air stays sucked out, like it did in the Reynolds bags, there's no
reason it couldn't be used in the freezer to prevent freezer burn.

N.

In article
>,
Nancy2 > wrote:

> Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
> supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
> This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
> have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
> happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
>
> Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
> well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>
> N.

I like the Ziploc vac sealer more than I liked the Reynolds
battery-operated one. FWIW.


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Nancy2 wrote:
> Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
> supply of bags, you'd best start searching.

I looked for them in the store this morning, I would have sent them
to you if I'd seen them. no luck.

Isn't this kind of thing (discontinued) the type of stuff that winds
up in dollar stores?

nancy

Nancy2 wrote:
> Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
> supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
>

My Black & Decker Dust Buster Doesn't need any bags, it has a paper
filter.

Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> Nancy2 wrote:
> > Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
> > supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
> >
> > This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
> > have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
> > happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
> >
> > Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
> > well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
> >
> > N.
>
> The Reynolds bags started to become scarce here quite a while ago. I got
> one of those Zip Lock hand pumps and I like it much better.
>
> I have a small sized Food Saver. I don't like it. You have to pre-freeze
> anything even slightly wet, like a steak, or it will break. I tried the
> Reynolds thingie and it was okay but very, very noisy and slow. Then I
> got the hand pump and I like it the best. There are usually coupons in
> the paper to save on two Zip Lock packages of bags and I use them to get
> more bags.
>
> --
> Janet Wilder
> Way-the-heck-south Texas
> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

The pre-freezing is common to any vacuum bagging system, the only way to
avoid it is to use rigid containers. A Dewar of liquid nitrogen takes
care of the pre-freeze issue quite nicely, indeed I used it over the
weekend while making several hundred stuffed jalapenos for an upcoming
event.

In article . com>,
"Pete C." > wrote:

> The pre-freezing is common to any vacuum bagging system, the only way to
> avoid it is to use rigid containers. A Dewar of liquid nitrogen takes
> care of the pre-freeze issue quite nicely, indeed I used it over the
> weekend while making several hundred stuffed jalapenos for an upcoming
> event.

What is a "Dewar of liquid nitrogen"? IMWTK.
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On 2009-09-15, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:

> What is a "Dewar of liquid nitrogen"? IMWTK.

Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly freezes
grapes so they shatter like glass. A dewar is basically just a big
thermos bottle that keeps the LN from boiling away for a couple hours.
If LN hits anyting at room temp, it boils off like a bead of water on
a red hot skillet.

nb

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article . com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
>> The pre-freezing is common to any vacuum bagging system, the only way to
>> avoid it is to use rigid containers. A Dewar of liquid nitrogen takes
>> care of the pre-freeze issue quite nicely, indeed I used it over the
>> weekend while making several hundred stuffed jalapenos for an upcoming
>> event.
>
> What is a "Dewar of liquid nitrogen"? IMWTK.

Dewar was the man who invented the flask used to contain liquid
nitrogen. Go here for more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_flask

Nearly every refinery or chemical lab has at least one of them in their
inventory.

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2009-09-15, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > What is a "Dewar of liquid nitrogen"? IMWTK.
>
> Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly freezes
> grapes so they shatter like glass. A dewar is basically just a big
> thermos bottle that keeps the LN from boiling away for a couple hours.
> If LN hits anyting at room temp, it boils off like a bead of water on
> a red hot skillet.
>
> nb

Actually, my Dewar has an 100 day rated static hold time, but yes, a
Dewar is a very fancy thermos.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
>supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
>This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
>have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
>happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
>
>Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
>well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>
I gave my son one when it was the talk of rfc and he LOVES it. To bad
his house isn't much larger than a standard postage stamp or he might
consider one of the fancy models. As it is, that won't happen. I
think Reynolds is being "penny wise and pound foolish".

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 06:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> > wrote:
>
>>Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
>>supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>>
>>This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
>>have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
>>happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
>>
>>Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
>>well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>>
> I gave my son one when it was the talk of rfc and he LOVES it. To bad
> his house isn't much larger than a standard postage stamp or he might
> consider one of the fancy models. As it is, that won't happen. I
> think Reynolds is being "penny wise and pound foolish".
>
> --

"Penny wise and pound foolish" is a good way to put it. They did the same
thing with their perforated grilling sheets. They were perfect for grilling
fish (which when cooked through can fall apart and fall through the grates).
This company seems to make then stop making things all the time, without
ever advertising the product(s), as the OP stated.

Jill

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2009-09-15, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > What is a "Dewar of liquid nitrogen"? IMWTK.
>
> Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly freezes
> grapes so they shatter like glass.

Yup, I knew that part.

> A dewar is basically just a big
> thermos bottle that keeps the LN from boiling away for a couple hours.
> If LN hits anyting at room temp, it boils off like a bead of water on
> a red hot skillet.
>
> nb

Thanks, nb.
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it out. And check this, too: <http://www.kare11.com/news/
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Nancy2 wrote:
>
>Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
>well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>


Actually they ran out of ignoranus customers, so advertising would be
putting good money after bad.

Guess it took a while for Reynolds to figure out that normal brained
folks would rather keep their assets in the form of cold hard cash in
a savings bank than as hunks of animal flesh in their freezer...
'when/if one can' think about it there is nothing more low IQ than
freezing like a year's worth of meat (or any food). In the US there
is no food shortage and there are sales every day. Reynolds gave it a
shot because their consumer products line is gasping for breath. With
the advent of plastic wrap folks aren't buying nearly as much aluminum
foil as they once did, and with all the recloseable packaging
nowadasys, and all the eating out, folks are using less plastic wrap
than ever. I've no idea why folks would even consider spending all
that money on a machine that sucks, expensive packaging supplies, and
on energy to run a big freezer when fresh meat in the US is available
24/7/365.25.... they have to be obsessed with the an abject fear of
running out of food, there is no other rational explanation. I'd much
rather the stupidmarket pay to storage my perishables.... we're paying
their refrigeration, and 'lectric bill anyway, may as well get the
benefit. If there was any utility whatsoever in those silly food
saver gizmos the stupidmarkets would be happy to give them gratis to
every customer so as to reduce their own perishables storage costs, in
fact they would use them themeslves, it doesn't and they don't. Don't
yoose morons think that if they really served a utile purpose
butchers, fish mongers, etc. would include one free with a $500
purchase. And no one that lives within 50 miles of a stupidmarket
needs a stand alone freezer.

In article >,
"jmcquown" > wrote:
> "Penny wise and pound foolish" is a good way to put it. They did the same
> thing with their perforated grilling sheets. They were perfect for grilling
> fish (which when cooked through can fall apart and fall through the grates).
> This company seems to make then stop making things all the time, without
> ever advertising the product(s), as the OP stated.
>
> Jill

I've seen ads for both the Reynolds unit (not recently, but when it was
introduced) and the Ziploc unit. Generally, they were Sunday coupon
insert booklets.
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it out. And check this, too: <http://www.kare11.com/news/
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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 06:58:11 -0400, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"Penny wise and pound foolish" is a good way to put it. They did the same
>thing with their perforated grilling sheets. They were perfect for grilling
>fish (which when cooked through can fall apart and fall through the grates).
>This company seems to make then stop making things all the time, without
>ever advertising the product(s), as the OP stated.

I can only think that they did it on purpose to take a loss on their
books. What else could it be?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sep 14, 6:59*pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
> Janet Wilder wrote:
>
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> > > Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. *If you need a
> > > supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
> > > This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
> > > have room for a counter-top food saver. *Damn. *I hate when that
> > > happens. *None of my local stores has any bags left.
>
> > > Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
> > > well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>
> > > N.
>
> > The Reynolds bags started to become scarce here quite a while ago. I got
> > one of those Zip Lock hand pumps and I like it much better.
>
> > I have a small sized Food Saver. I don't like it. You have to pre-freeze
> > anything even slightly wet, like a steak, or it will break. I tried the
> > Reynolds thingie and it was okay but very, very noisy and slow. Then I
> > got the hand pump and I like it the best. There are usually coupons in
> > the paper to save on two Zip Lock packages of bags and I use them to get
> > more bags.
>
> > --
> > Janet Wilder
> > Way-the-heck-south Texas
> > Spelling doesn't count. *Cooking does.
>
> The pre-freezing is common to any vacuum bagging system, the only way to
> avoid it is to use rigid containers. A Dewar of liquid nitrogen takes
> care of the pre-freeze issue quite nicely, indeed I used it over the
> weekend while making several hundred stuffed jalapenos for an upcoming
> event.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pre-freezing what??? I've never "pre-frozen" anything for a vacuum
bag, and my frozen stuff has worked just great. I don't get what
you're talking about. (OTOH, I vacuum pack stuff that doesn't squish
out of shape....)

N.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:09:05 -0400, "pavane"
> wrote:

>
>"Nancy2" > wrote in message
...
>| Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
>| supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>|
>| This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
>| have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
>| happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
>|
>| Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
>| well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>|
>| N.
>
>Thanks for the warning; on today's shopping list.
>
didn't someone say ZipLock makes one they thought was better? Is that
another item to find at Target?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sep 14, 2:40*pm, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> > Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. *If you need a
> > supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
> I looked for them in the store this morning, I would have sent them
> to you if I'd seen them. *no luck.
>
> Isn't this kind of thing (discontinued) the type of stuff that winds
> up in dollar stores? *
>
> nancy

Not at mine, it's usually Big Lots that gets discontinued stuff, but
our Big Lots went away a couple years ago.

N.

On Sep 14, 2:48*pm, brooklyn1 > wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> > Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. *If you need a
> > supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>
> My Black & Decker Dust Buster Doesn't need any bags, it has a paper
> filter.

The Handi-Vac is a food vacuum device. Do you store your food in your
Dust Buster?

N.

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-09-15, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>
> > What is a "Dewar of liquid nitrogen"? IMWTK.
>
> Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly freezes
> grapes so they shatter like glass.

Back when I was a young Physics major, guys who worked in the laser lab
would sometimes swipe Dewars of LN. All kinds of fun, like freezing up
the components of someone's lunch or crumbling up frozen rubberbands.



Brian

--
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Default wrote on 15 Sep 2009 17:38:13 GMT:

>> On 2009-09-15, Melba's Jammin' > wrote:
>>
> >> What is a "Dewar of liquid nitrogen"? IMWTK.
>>
>> Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly
>> freezes grapes so they shatter like glass.

> Back when I was a young Physics major, guys who worked in the
> laser lab would sometimes swipe Dewars of LN. All kinds of
> fun, like freezing up the components of someone's lunch or
> crumbling up frozen rubberbands.

The, usually mirrored, double walled flask to hold low temperature
liquids is called a Dewar flask. It's not really any different from
kitchen vacuum flasks except that it has no cover. Sir James Dewar, who
invented it, was a nineteenth scientist, famous for many things and
especially for liquefying gases.



--

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Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Default User wrote:
> notbob wrote:
>
>> Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly freezes
>> grapes so they shatter like glass.

You can use an insulated cooler to freeze items with
LN2. It does not last as long as in a dewar but if
you're freezing grapes how long do you need.

> Back when I was a young Physics major, guys who worked in the laser lab
> would sometimes swipe Dewars of LN. All kinds of fun, like freezing up
> the components of someone's lunch or crumbling up frozen rubberbands.

The biggest thing I've seen frozen is a pumpkin. Keep
pouring LN2 over it daily for a month until it is as
hard as ceramic. Then at midnight on Halloween carry
the pumpkin up to the 9th floor and toss it onto a stone
landing. The crash is amazing - sharp shards of pumpkin
all over the place that quickly thaw and turn soft. More
fun than making pumpkin soup but not as good tasting.

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> > notbob wrote:
> >
> > > Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly freezes
> > > grapes so they shatter like glass.
>
> You can use an insulated cooler to freeze items with
> LN2. It does not last as long as in a dewar but if
> you're freezing grapes how long do you need.

You could freeze strawberries for storage. Make Alton Brown's dry ice
method look slow as molasses in February.




Brian

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In article >,
Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> > notbob wrote:
> >
> >> Liquid nitrogen is that super cold liquid that instantly freezes
> >> grapes so they shatter like glass.
>
> You can use an insulated cooler to freeze items with
> LN2. It does not last as long as in a dewar but if
> you're freezing grapes how long do you need.

I tried carbonating root beer for a party a couple weeks
ago with dry ice. It was a big hit--very dramatic,
with the bubbling, and the fogging, and the so-forth.
I was surprised to find that there was a place in North
East Minneapolis that appeared to sell three things:
dry ice, smokes, and beer. $1.39 a pound and you
bring the cooler.

But where would a civilian non-Bill-Nye kind of person
go to get liquid nitrogen, and what could you carry it
in over the short term? I assume an ordinary thermos
where you screw the plastic top on would have at least
three bad failure modes (excessive heat leakage, top
freezing and breaking, and explosion). Next party I
could try that instant ice cream trick . . . .

Mike Beede

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Sep 14, 6:59 pm, "Pete C." > wrote:
>> Janet Wilder wrote:
>>
>>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>>> Reynolds has discontinued the Handi-Vac and the bags. If you need a
>>>> supply of bags, you'd best start searching.
>>>> This device was the best thing since sliced bread for me - I don't
>>>> have room for a counter-top food saver. Damn. I hate when that
>>>> happens. None of my local stores has any bags left.
>>>> Reynolds' voice mail says it wasn't as successful as they had hoped -
>>>> well, no wonder, I never saw a commercial or an advertisement for it.
>>>> N.
>>> The Reynolds bags started to become scarce here quite a while ago. I got
>>> one of those Zip Lock hand pumps and I like it much better.
>>> I have a small sized Food Saver. I don't like it. You have to pre-freeze
>>> anything even slightly wet, like a steak, or it will break. I tried the
>>> Reynolds thingie and it was okay but very, very noisy and slow. Then I
>>> got the hand pump and I like it the best. There are usually coupons in
>>> the paper to save on two Zip Lock packages of bags and I use them to get
>>> more bags.
>>> --
>>> Janet Wilder
>>> Way-the-heck-south Texas
>>> Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.
>> The pre-freezing is common to any vacuum bagging system, the only way to
>> avoid it is to use rigid containers. A Dewar of liquid nitrogen takes
>> care of the pre-freeze issue quite nicely, indeed I used it over the
>> weekend while making several hundred stuffed jalapenos for an upcoming
>> event.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Pre-freezing what??? I've never "pre-frozen" anything for a vacuum
> bag, and my frozen stuff has worked just great. I don't get what
> you're talking about. (OTOH, I vacuum pack stuff that doesn't squish
> out of shape....)

With the small Food Saver you have to be careful of too much liquid
coming into the sealer. I broke my first one that way. The second one
came with a video and it said either to put a wad of paper toweling at
the top of the bag or to pre-freeze the food. I could not vacuum seal a
rib eye without either pre-freezing or wadding up paper towels between
the steak and the top of the bag.

I don't know if the larger model is different but that's the way the
smaller model works and, IMNSHO, it's not my idea of a smart kitchen
tool. When I bring my meat home from Sam's Club, I don't want to first
have to pre-freeze it or wad up paper toweling so I can vacuum seal it
with an expensive gizmo when I can pop it into a bag, stick a little
pump on it and with two or three pumps, I'm done.

I hope you get it now.


--
Janet Wilder
Way-the-heck-south Texas
Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

In article >,
Mike Beede > wrote:

> In article >,
> Doug Freyburger > wrote:

> But where would a civilian non-Bill-Nye kind of person
> go to get liquid nitrogen, and what could you carry it
> in over the short term? I assume an ordinary thermos
> where you screw the plastic top on would have at least
> three bad failure modes (excessive heat leakage, top
> freezing and breaking, and explosion). Next party I
> could try that instant ice cream trick . . . .

I believe that liquid nitrogen is a byproduct of the production of pure
oxygen from air. They freeze the air to a liquid and then distill the
oxygen. The nitrogen is left (or something like that). Places that
sell gases will often sell liquid nitrogen, and fairly cheaply,
depending on amount. I believe they don't sell it unless you have the
correct container. I don't know if you have to buy it (expensive) or if
the places that sell the nitrogen will rent a container, with sufficient
deposit. This came up on another group, I don't remember which. I
believe it was suggested to let your fingers do the walking (look in the
yellow pages of your phone book).

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:


>
> I believe that liquid nitrogen is a byproduct of the production of pure
> oxygen from air. They freeze the air to a liquid and then distill the
> oxygen. The nitrogen is left (or something like that). Places that
> sell gases will often sell liquid nitrogen, and fairly cheaply,
> depending on amount. I believe they don't sell it unless you have the
> correct container. I don't know if you have to buy it (expensive) or if
> the places that sell the nitrogen will rent a container, with sufficient
> deposit. This came up on another group, I don't remember which. I
> believe it was suggested to let your fingers do the walking (look in the
> yellow pages of your phone book).
>

PraxAir - that have locations all over

<http://www.praxair.com/na/us/praxairSL.nsf/StoresLoc>

Seriously though, this stuff can be extremely dangerous if mishandled.
That said, it's really fun to play with!

--
Reg

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:38:45 -0700, RegForte wrote:

> Seriously though, this stuff can be extremely dangerous if mishandled.
> That said, it's really fun to play with!

Yeah, yeah. Sure, it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt.
Then it's ****ing hillarious!

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 21:38:45 -0700, RegForte wrote:
>
>
>>Seriously though, this stuff can be extremely dangerous if mishandled.
>>That said, it's really fun to play with!
>
>
> Yeah, yeah. Sure, it's all fun and games until somebody gets hurt.
> Then it's ****ing hillarious!


Heck, it's what youtube was made for.

For those not wishing to risk death, much fun can also be had
with plain ol dry ice. All kinds of possibilities there.

Use it to keep the food cold at parties, then flood the house or
yard with fog for an exciting climax to the evening. Strobes and/or
colored lights are optional, and they really enhance the effect.

--
Reg

RegForte wrote:
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I believe that liquid nitrogen is a byproduct of the production of
>> pure oxygen from air. They freeze the air to a liquid and then
>> distill the oxygen. The nitrogen is left (or something like that).
>> Places that sell gases will often sell liquid nitrogen, and fairly
>> cheaply, depending on amount. I believe they don't sell it unless you
>> have the correct container. I don't know if you have to buy it
>> (expensive) or if the places that sell the nitrogen will rent a
>> container, with sufficient deposit. This came up on another group, I
>> don't remember which. I believe it was suggested to let your fingers
>> do the walking (look in the yellow pages of your phone book).
>>
>
> PraxAir - that have locations all over
>
> <http://www.praxair.com/na/us/praxairSL.nsf/StoresLoc>
>
> Seriously though, this stuff can be extremely dangerous if mishandled.
> That said, it's really fun to play with!
>


WARNING
Please unless in a properly controlled environment
and required knowledge and safety instruction by professionals

DON'T PLAY with this stuff .

Many cases of Death and sever injuries even where people who ought
to know the dangers end up dead ,blinded cold burns explosions and
much more .
One pretty spectacular incident a few years ago I recall happened
either in UK or Scandinavia couple of folks dead and the building
wrecked .Early 70s' I think

It can be a very insidious killer as in stopping you breathing .
*please* dont *play* with the stuff .

We have it here and the paperwork alone is substantial. Maybe the
folks you cite and US laws are not into nanny state as much as here .

But with this gas although benign when use properly would not like to
see any one from RFC get hurt because of such a post as above .

RegForte wrote:
>
> Dan Abel wrote:
>
> >
> > I believe that liquid nitrogen is a byproduct of the production of pure
> > oxygen from air. They freeze the air to a liquid and then distill the
> > oxygen. The nitrogen is left (or something like that). Places that
> > sell gases will often sell liquid nitrogen, and fairly cheaply,
> > depending on amount. I believe they don't sell it unless you have the
> > correct container. I don't know if you have to buy it (expensive) or if
> > the places that sell the nitrogen will rent a container, with sufficient
> > deposit. This came up on another group, I don't remember which. I
> > believe it was suggested to let your fingers do the walking (look in the
> > yellow pages of your phone book).
> >
>
> PraxAir - that have locations all over
>
> <http://www.praxair.com/na/us/praxairSL.nsf/StoresLoc>
>
> Seriously though, this stuff can be extremely dangerous if mishandled.
> That said, it's really fun to play with!

Actually, dry ice is more dangerous than liquid nitrogen. LN2 is colder,
however when it touches your skin it boils and forms an insulating gas
layer. This is why you can do the demo of rolling a bead of LN2 in the
palm of your hand. Dry ice, being solid will more readily give your
frostbite if you touch it. Either one boils or sublimates into gas that
can displace oxygen, but you'd need to be in a pretty small, non
ventilated room for that to be a problem.

I get my LN2 at Airgas. Dewars can be found on ebay at decent prices.

"Phil..c" wrote:
>
> RegForte wrote:
> > Dan Abel wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I believe that liquid nitrogen is a byproduct of the production of
> >> pure oxygen from air. They freeze the air to a liquid and then
> >> distill the oxygen. The nitrogen is left (or something like that).
> >> Places that sell gases will often sell liquid nitrogen, and fairly
> >> cheaply, depending on amount. I believe they don't sell it unless you
> >> have the correct container. I don't know if you have to buy it
> >> (expensive) or if the places that sell the nitrogen will rent a
> >> container, with sufficient deposit. This came up on another group, I
> >> don't remember which. I believe it was suggested to let your fingers
> >> do the walking (look in the yellow pages of your phone book).
> >>
> >
> > PraxAir - that have locations all over
> >
> > <http://www.praxair.com/na/us/praxairSL.nsf/StoresLoc>
> >
> > Seriously though, this stuff can be extremely dangerous if mishandled.
> > That said, it's really fun to play with!
> >
>
> WARNING
> Please unless in a properly controlled environment
> and required knowledge and safety instruction by professionals
>
> DON'T PLAY with this stuff .
>
> Many cases of Death and sever injuries even where people who ought
> to know the dangers end up dead ,blinded cold burns explosions and
> much more .
> One pretty spectacular incident a few years ago I recall happened
> either in UK or Scandinavia couple of folks dead and the building
> wrecked .Early 70s' I think
>
> It can be a very insidious killer as in stopping you breathing .
> *please* dont *play* with the stuff .
>
> We have it here and the paperwork alone is substantial. Maybe the
> folks you cite and US laws are not into nanny state as much as here .
>
> But with this gas although benign when use properly would not like to
> see any one from RFC get hurt because of such a post as above .

No US laws I know of regarding LN2. MSDS available, but that's about it.

Pete C. wrote:

>
> Actually, dry ice is more dangerous than liquid nitrogen. LN2 is colder,
> however when it touches your skin it boils and forms an insulating gas
> layer. This is why you can do the demo of rolling a bead of LN2 in the
> palm of your hand. Dry ice, being solid will more readily give your
> frostbite if you touch it. Either one boils or sublimates into gas that
> can displace oxygen, but you'd need to be in a pretty small, non
> ventilated room for that to be a problem.
>
> I get my LN2 at Airgas. Dewars can be found on ebay at decent prices.

My kinda guy

1> He plays with liquid nitro
2> He has like a 50 ton press in his home shop

On another happy note, I'm pretty sure there's some Doctor (not Kevorkian)
who developed a suicide machine that uses liquid nitrogen. Must be what has
that other fella so worried for us all

--
Reg

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:59:54 -0500, Janet Wilder
> wrote:

>I don't want to first
>have to pre-freeze it or wad up paper toweling so I can vacuum seal it
>with an expensive gizmo when I can pop it into a bag, stick a little
>pump on it and with two or three pumps, I'm done.

Huh! My son has never talked about using paper towels.

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I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.