from Wikipedia:

Norman Ernest Borlaug (March 25, 1914 – September 12, 2009)[1] was an
American agronomist, humanitarian, and Nobel laureate, and has been
called the father of the Green Revolution.[2] Borlaug was one of only
five people to have won the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of
Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.[3] He was also a recipient of
the Padma Vibhushan, India's second-highest civilian honor.

Borlaug's discoveries have been estimated to have saved over 245 million
lives worldwide.



What a life well-lived!

gloria p

On Sep 14, 4:36*pm, Gloria P > wrote:
> from Wikipedia:
>
> Norman Ernest Borlaug (March 25, 1914 – September 12, 2009)[1] was an
> American agronomist, humanitarian, and Nobel laureate, and has been
> called the father of the Green Revolution.[2] Borlaug was one of only
> five people to have won the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of
> Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.[3] He was also a recipient of
> the Padma Vibhushan, India's second-highest civilian honor.
>
> Borlaug's discoveries have been estimated to have saved over 245 million
> lives worldwide.
>
> What a life well-lived!
>
> gloria p

Anybody that is eulogized on NPR must have been one of the good guys!
RIP, Norman
Lynn

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:36:19 -0600, Gloria P >
wrote:

>from Wikipedia:
>
>Norman Ernest Borlaug (March 25, 1914 – September 12, 2009)[1] was an
>American agronomist, humanitarian, and Nobel laureate, and has been
>called the father of the Green Revolution.[2] Borlaug was one of only
>five people to have won the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of
>Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.[3] He was also a recipient of
>the Padma Vibhushan, India's second-highest civilian honor.
>
>Borlaug's discoveries have been estimated to have saved over 245 million
>lives worldwide.
>
>
>
>What a life well-lived!
>
>gloria p

I've thought about him several times today. How it must have felt to
have had such a huge positive impact! The Dallas Morning News obit
said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation. It
also quoted a friend who had discussed food issues with him only a few
days before his death. At 95 and dying of lymphoma, he was still
working on the problem or world hunger.
--

modom

On 2009-09-15, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:

> said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation.

He did us no favors.

> working on the problem or world hunger.

The problem of World hunger is too many ppl, plain and simple. I'm
sure his intentions were honorable but population growth is the
problem, not too little food. If it continues, mankind will eat this
planet bare and we will ALL starve to death.

nb

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:42:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2009-09-15, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
>> said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation.
>
>He did us no favors.

If by "us" you mean nb and modom, that statement can be defended.
(Unless you factor in the possibility of wars generated by competition
among populations for food resources: two of the nations that felt the
most benefit from Borlaug's research were India and Pakistan. Both own
nukes and both have been happy to fight in the past. A nuclear
exchange in South Asia could draw other players in the region into the
conflict, and that would not be good for me at least.) If by "us" you
mean a larger group, I'd say that some of the billion who did not
starve would challenge your statement.
>
>> working on the problem or world hunger.
>
>The problem of World hunger is too many ppl, plain and simple. I'm
>sure his intentions were honorable but population growth is the
>problem, not too little food. If it continues, mankind will eat this
>planet bare and we will ALL starve to death.
>
>nb

Plain and simple is sometimes not comprehensive. I totally agree with
you that overpopulation presents dire prospects for the future, but
population growth need not continue at the current rate. There are
other factors (rising living standards in huge nations like India and
China, for example) which have served to reduce birth rates in other
nations in the past. One can expect that to occur again in developing
countries.

Moreover economic imbalances (local, national and international) and
political impediments also contribute to food insecurity. These are
not population issues. Nor are they simple.

Has there been some sort of Malthusian outbreak around here lately?
--

modom

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-09-15, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
>> said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation.
>
> He did us no favors.
>
>> working on the problem or world hunger.
>
> The problem of World hunger is too many ppl, plain and simple. I'm
> sure his intentions were honorable but population growth is the
> problem, not too little food. If it continues, mankind will eat this
> planet bare and we will ALL starve to death.


Yup, and not only are too many peepls but there are also too many of the
WRONG type of people, nb...

Ideal world population would be about 3 or so billion...


--
Best
Greg

modom (palindrome guy) wrote:

> There are other factors (rising living standards in huge nations like
> India and China, for example) which have served to reduce birth rates
> in other nations in the past.

The nice thing in it is that China got it's reduced birth rate with the use
of force, like forbidding people from having more than 1 son in cities and
more than 2 in rural areas and hitting hard on those who go beyond, and that
resulted in many abandoned children and a certain reduction of the birth
rate. India, without using force, has obtained a stronger reduction by
simply educating people. It turned out that schooling does better than
enforcing draconian laws.
India is a great nation.
--
Vilco
Mai guardare Trailer park Boys senza
qualcosa da bere a portata di mano

"ViLco" > wrote in message
> India, without using force, has obtained a stronger reduction by simply
> educating people. It turned out that schooling does better than enforcing
> draconian laws.
> India is a great nation.
> --

India also paid men to have a vasectomy also, but I don't know how it recall
worked out long term.

On Sep 14, 6:23*pm, Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig >
wrote:
> On Sep 14, 4:36*pm, Gloria P > wrote:
>
> > from Wikipedia:
>
> > Norman Ernest Borlaug (March 25, 1914 – September 12, 2009)[1] was an
> > American agronomist, humanitarian, and Nobel laureate, and has been
> > called the father of the Green Revolution.[2] Borlaug was one of only
> > five people to have won the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of
> > Freedom and the Congressional Gold Medal.[3] He was also a recipient of
> > the Padma Vibhushan, India's second-highest civilian honor.
>
> > Borlaug's discoveries have been estimated to have saved over 245 million
> > lives worldwide.
>
> > What a life well-lived!
>
> > gloria p
>
> Anybody that is eulogized on NPR must have been one of the good guys!

I'm about as big an NPR fan as there is. I listen ~40-50 hours a
week, but I think that the above statement goes too far. I'm sure
that they have eulogized complete assholes as well as "good guys."

> RIP, Norman
> Lynn

--Bryan

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-09-15, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
>> said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation.
>
> He did us no favors.

Speaking for yourself, I'm sure.


>
> The problem of World hunger is too many ppl, plain and simple.


Would the world have been better off if reproduction had ended the day
after you were born? Would that have resulted in "just enough" people?

World hunger right now seems much more of a distribution problem than a
population one.

And as long as farmland is being sold off for development and farmers
work 80 hours a week and can't pay their mortgages, future food supply
doesn't look too promising. (Soylent Green recipes,anyone?)

gloria p

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:42:00 GMT, notbob wrote:

> On 2009-09-15, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>
>> said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation.
>
> He did us no favors.
>
>> working on the problem or world hunger.
>
> The problem of World hunger is too many ppl, plain and simple. I'm
> sure his intentions were honorable but population growth is the
> problem, not too little food. If it continues, mankind will eat this
> planet bare and we will ALL starve to death.
>
> nb

yep, starvation is definitely the only practical answer to overpopulation.

blake

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:55:23 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> notbob wrote:
>
>> On 2009-09-15, modom (palindrome guy) > wrote:
>>
>>> said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation.
>>
>> He did us no favors.
>>
>>> working on the problem or world hunger.
>>
>> The problem of World hunger is too many ppl, plain and simple. I'm
>> sure his intentions were honorable but population growth is the
>> problem, not too little food. If it continues, mankind will eat this
>> planet bare and we will ALL starve to death.
>
> Yup, and not only are too many peepls but there are also too many of the
> WRONG type of people, nb...
>
> Ideal world population would be about 3 or so billion...

too bad all the filthy mooslims won't do you the simple courtesy of dying
quietly, huh, morrow?

blake

blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:55:23 -0500, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
>> notbob wrote:
>>
>>> On 2009-09-15, modom (palindrome guy) >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> said he may have saved as many as a billion people from starvation.
>>>
>>> He did us no favors.
>>>
>>>> working on the problem or world hunger.
>>>
>>> The problem of World hunger is too many ppl, plain and simple. I'm
>>> sure his intentions were honorable but population growth is the
>>> problem, not too little food. If it continues, mankind will eat
>>> this planet bare and we will ALL starve to death.
>>
>> Yup, and not only are too many peepls but there are also too many of
>> the WRONG type of people, nb...
>>
>> Ideal world population would be about 3 or so billion...
>
> too bad all the filthy mooslims won't do you the simple courtesy of
> dying quietly, huh, morrow?


That'd be a GREAT start, blake...I mean if you're gonna be poor I prefer you
to be QUIET and not start all kinds of nutty religious or political shit to
bother everybody...act like the poor peeps in Dahomey or Guatamela, don't
get all squalid like the ragheads in Iran or Afghanistan.

IOW I like my poor peoples to be quiescent and orderly...if I "need" them
I'll "ring" for them.


--
Best
Greg

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> "ViLco" > wrote in message
>> India, without using force, has obtained a stronger reduction by
>> simply educating people. It turned out that schooling does better
>> than enforcing draconian laws.
>> India is a great nation.
>> --
>
> India also paid men to have a vasectomy also, but I don't know how it
> recall worked out long term.


China's draconian "one child" policy during the past 30 years has been
estimated to have resulted in over 300 million abortions...

The net result is that China is going to have a very rapidly aging
population and a resultant labour shortage. Being an Asian society, there
is generally no social safety net for seniors, taking care of the elderly
has always been the job for the younger kids (and the preferred sex of
children in China is male...). China is going to have a real
demographic/social/financial crisis on it's hands in coming years because of
this...


--
Best
Greg