From Risks Digest 25.77
http://groups.google.com/group/comp....87e6ced18469c#

RFI is usually an annoyance but seldom harmful. Here's an exception.
A UPI article of 18 Aug reports:

Andrei Melnikov said his Maytag Magic Chef stove beeps and turn its
broiler
onto the highest setting if his phone, which he has had for about
three
years, receives an incoming call while within two feet of the
appliance,
WABC-TV, New York, reported Tuesday. ... He said the stove is
currently
unplugged and Maytag has agreed to send a repair crew to get to the
bottom
of the problem.

GSM cell phones are noted for causing audible RFI in other receivers
nearby. Looks like some Maytag ranges are equally vulnerable.

[Also reported by David Hollman and by Kevin Connolly, who added,
``Here
in Ireland the electrical regulations require a wall switch to
isolate the
mains supply to a cooker when not in use. It is good advice to use
it.''
PGN]

"zeez" > wrote in message
...
> From Risks Digest 25.77
>

A guy who did some electrical work for me told me he had installed a $1500
dishwasher in a high-end house that had a carpeted kitchen, and had to
remove the carpet and install tile because the static electricity from feet
on the carpet turned the dishwasher on.

Then tell the faggot to stop living on the phone like a ****ing 15 year old
girl.

On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:42:08 -0400, "cybercat" >
wrote:
>
>"zeez" > wrote in message
...
>> From Risks Digest 25.77
>>
>
>A guy who did some electrical work for me told me he had installed a $1500
>dishwasher in a high-end house that had a carpeted kitchen, and had to
>remove the carpet and install tile because the static electricity from feet
>on the carpet turned the dishwasher on.
>
I think a carpeted kitchen is a sure sign nobody cooks in that house.
I often wonder what carpeted bathrooms are supposed to convey...
besides mold.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Our hand blender turns the Senseo coffee machine on whenever we use it

Steve
www.lovelycolour.com

zeez wrote:

sf wrote:

> I think a carpeted kitchen is a sure sign nobody cooks in that house.
> I often wonder what carpeted bathrooms are supposed to convey...
> besides mold.

For a while mine conveyed I despise the tile floor I picked out
that was installed by an incompetent.

Now I just don't look at it.

nancy

cybercat wrote:

> A guy who did some electrical work for me told me he had
> installed a $1500 dishwasher in a high-end house that had
> a carpeted kitchen,

Who puts a carpet in a kitchen? yuk.

On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:53:08 -0400, Sum Guy > fired up
random neurons and synapses to opine:

>cybercat wrote:
>
>> A guy who did some electrical work for me told me he had
>> installed a $1500 dishwasher in a high-end house that had
>> a carpeted kitchen,
>
>Who puts a carpet in a kitchen? yuk.

A complete idiot. We bought a house in Syracuse NY years ago that had
that awful indoor/outdoor carpet in the kitchen. When we pulled it up,
prepatory to installing tile, I swear that carpet walked itself out
the door to the rolloff. We actually had to do a light sanding of the
subfloor to get the smell out.

I feel the same way about carpet in bathrooms. Yuk, yuk and bleah!

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

--

"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"

In article >,
Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009 08:53:08 -0400, Sum Guy > fired up
> random neurons and synapses to opine:
>
> >cybercat wrote:
> >
> >> A guy who did some electrical work for me told me he had
> >> installed a $1500 dishwasher in a high-end house that had
> >> a carpeted kitchen,
> >
> >Who puts a carpet in a kitchen? yuk.
>
> A complete idiot. We bought a house in Syracuse NY years ago that had
> that awful indoor/outdoor carpet in the kitchen. When we pulled it up,
> prepatory to installing tile, I swear that carpet walked itself out
> the door to the rolloff. We actually had to do a light sanding of the
> subfloor to get the smell out.
>
> I feel the same way about carpet in bathrooms. Yuk, yuk and bleah!
>
> Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

I feel that way about wall to wall carpeting period.
Area rugs are SO much easier to really keep clean...

but we've run a threat on that already in the past. <g>

My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
dumbest idea man ever invented.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Om wrote:

> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
> dumbest idea man ever invented.

Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
of course you can always put rugs down, too).

www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow of
painted flooring.

My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.

Bob

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
> > My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
> > dumbest idea man ever invented.
>
> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
> painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
> of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>
> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow of
> painted flooring.
>
> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>
> Bob

<lol> But that pre-dates WTW carpeting! :-)
I do have to wonder tho' how anyone ever thought that sucking smoke into
one's lungs was a cool idea...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Om wrote:
>
>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
>> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
>
> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd
> opt for painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look
> gorgeous (and of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>
> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow
> of painted flooring.

Stunning what they can do. I've seen some concrete countertops
to die for, too.

> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.

Really, as a pulmonologist, I wonder which he'd pick to eliminate.
Not from a business standpoint, of course.

nancy

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
>> Om wrote:
>>
>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
>>> dumbest idea man ever invented.
>> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
>> painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
>> of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>>
>> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow of
>> painted flooring.
>>
>> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>>
>> Bob
>
> <lol> But that pre-dates WTW carpeting! :-)
> I do have to wonder tho' how anyone ever thought that sucking smoke into
> one's lungs was a cool idea...

Actually you just grow up thinking it is normal. I was born in 1939,
both parents, sisters, in-laws, cousins, everyone smoked. FDR smoked,
the local preacher smoked, my teachers all smoked, all movie stars and
celebrities smoked. At age fifteen I started smoking, that would be in
1954, smoked until my second heart attack in 1994. Doctors even told me
that smoking was not good, made my blood thicker so that when the clot
hit me it stuck. Stopped cold-turkey after that attack and haven't even
craved them since. Both my kids smoked after they left home, now they
don't. Wife never smoked and has been in good health all her life
although I attribute that to genetics. Her mother lived to be a wee bit
over 100 years old.

I have one grandkid who smokes and I harp at him every time he is
around. Of course he is also the one who was a druggie from about age
twelve to, I hope, last year. He's now 26 yo and, again I hope, smarter
than he was.

Unfortunately I see lots of young people taking up smoking nowadays too,
mostly in junior and high school. I often wonder how they can even
afford to smoke as cigarettes are closing in on $5.00 a pack around
here. I hear they are $11.00 a pack in NYC. The most I ever paid was
$11.00 a carton and I bought four of those every week, sometimes more.
Yup, smoked four packs a day of king size filter tips every day. Don't
miss them and spend the money on other things now, like nice steaks,
imported fruit, presents for DW, important things. <G>

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > Om wrote:
> >
> >> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
> >> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
> >
> > Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd
> > opt for painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look
> > gorgeous (and of course you can always put rugs down, too).
> >
> > www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow
> > of painted flooring.
>
> Stunning what they can do. I've seen some concrete countertops
> to die for, too.
>
> > My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>
> Really, as a pulmonologist, I wonder which he'd pick to eliminate.
> Not from a business standpoint, of course.
>
> nancy

Wall to wall affects (and infects) FAR more people than cig's do.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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Omelet wrote:

> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>> Om wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
>>>> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
>>>
>>> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd
>>> opt for painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look
>>> gorgeous (and of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>>>
>>> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow
>>> of painted flooring.
>>
>> Stunning what they can do. I've seen some concrete countertops
>> to die for, too.
>>
>>> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>>
>> Really, as a pulmonologist, I wonder which he'd pick to eliminate.
>> Not from a business standpoint, of course.

> Wall to wall affects (and infects) FAR more people than cig's do.

I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
smokers.

nancy

In article >,
"Nancy Young" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> >
> >> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> >>> Om wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
> >>>> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
> >>>
> >>> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd
> >>> opt for painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look
> >>> gorgeous (and of course you can always put rugs down, too).
> >>>
> >>> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow
> >>> of painted flooring.
> >>
> >> Stunning what they can do. I've seen some concrete countertops
> >> to die for, too.
> >>
> >>> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
> >>
> >> Really, as a pulmonologist, I wonder which he'd pick to eliminate.
> >> Not from a business standpoint, of course.
>
> > Wall to wall affects (and infects) FAR more people than cig's do.
>
> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
> smokers.
>
> nancy

For now...

Allergens do not affect everyone, but there are enough of them to keep
the allergists in business, and the drug companies that produce OTC
allergy medications. ;-)
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein


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On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:51:09 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
>> dumbest idea man ever invented.
>
> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
> painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
> of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>
> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow of
> painted flooring.
>
> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>
> Bob

cigarettes sure made some people a shitload of money, though.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 05:03:57 -0500, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
>> Om wrote:
>>
>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
>>> dumbest idea man ever invented.
>>
>> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
>> painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
>> of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>>
>> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow of
>> painted flooring.
>>
>> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>>
>> Bob
>
> <lol> But that pre-dates WTW carpeting! :-)
> I do have to wonder tho' how anyone ever thought that sucking smoke into
> one's lungs was a cool idea...

oh come now. as i recall, you have smoked dope before.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
> > My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
> > dumbest idea man ever invented.
>
> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
> painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
> of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>
> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow of
> painted flooring.
>
> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.

But *most* people don't put cigarettes on the floor.

:-)

"Cool underfoot" might be a good thing where you live in the summer, but
my floors stay cool enough in the summer, and I would just as soon not
have cool floors in the winter.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
Omelet > wrote:

> In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
> > Om wrote:
> >
> > > My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
> > > dumbest idea man ever invented.
> >
> > Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
> > painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
> > of course you can always put rugs down, too).
> >
> > www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow of
> > painted flooring.
> >
> > My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
> >
> > Bob
>
> <lol> But that pre-dates WTW carpeting! :-)
> I do have to wonder tho' how anyone ever thought that sucking smoke into
> one's lungs was a cool idea...

If you look at the old ads for cigarettes, they were considered a health
aid. They were actually thought to be *good* for you. It wasn't until
about 50 years ago that the US government finally admitted that they
were bad for you. I remember it. My parents both smoked, and up until
then, nobody in authority would admit that it wasn't healthy. Between
the doctor saying that I was allergic to tobacco, and the Surgeon
General of the US finally saying that smoking tobacco was unhealthy, my
parents both quit.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sep 20, 6:03*am, Omelet > wrote:
> In article >,

>
> > My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.

> <lol> But that pre-dates WTW carpeting! :-)
> I do have to wonder tho' how anyone ever thought that sucking smoke into
> one's lungs was a cool idea...

Ask the Indians

I knew one man whose doctor recommended it for his nerves, back in the
early 1950's.

BTW have you ever heard the Bob Newhart monologue about King James VI
& I and Sir Walter Raliegh when Sir W sends a shipload of tobacco
home?

In article >,
George Shirley > wrote:

[snipped stuff about how everybody used to smoke in the olden days]

> Unfortunately I see lots of young people taking up smoking nowadays too,
> mostly in junior and high school. I often wonder how they can even
> afford to smoke as cigarettes are closing in on $5.00 a pack around
> here. I hear they are $11.00 a pack in NYC. The most I ever paid was
> $11.00 a carton and I bought four of those every week, sometimes more.
> Yup, smoked four packs a day of king size filter tips every day. Don't
> miss them and spend the money on other things now, like nice steaks,
> imported fruit, presents for DW, important things. <G>

Yeah, things used to be way different. Nobody realized that it was a
health hazard back then. I had lots of relatives in the military.
Cigarettes were US$2.00 a *carton* on the base. That's right, one penny
per coffin nail, twenty cents per pack. Soldiers in basic training got
free cigarettes, courtesy of the tobacco companies. I heard lots of
reliable stories that during forced marches in basic training, there
were "smoke breaks". If you didn't smoke, you didn't get the break.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sep 20, 10:10*am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
> > "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
> >> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> >>> Om wrote:
>
> >>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
> >>>> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
>
> >>> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd
> >>> opt for painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look
> >>> gorgeous (and of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>
> >>>http://www.concretenetwork.com/concr...eriorfloorshas a nice slideshow
> >>> of painted flooring.
>
> >> Stunning what they can do. *I've seen some concrete countertops
> >> to die for, too.
>
> >>> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>
> >> Really, as a pulmonologist, I wonder which he'd pick to eliminate.
> >> Not from a business standpoint, of course.
> > Wall to wall affects (and infects) FAR more people than cig's do.
>
> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. *Except the
> smokers.

Ever notice the increase in asthma? Not that it is necessarily
related to carpets but given the off-gassing of new carpets and the
dustmites of older ones they are probably not good for us. They may
even affect more poeple than cigs but I doubt if quite as nastily.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

On Sep 20, 12:12*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> In article >,
> *"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
> > Om wrote:
>
> > > My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
> > > dumbest idea man ever invented.
>
> > Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
> > painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
> > of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>
> >http://www.concretenetwork.com/concr...eriorfloorshas a nice slideshow of
> > painted flooring.
>
> > My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>
> But *most* people don't put cigarettes on the floor.
>
> :-)

They don't? Well they do well enough on streets to make up for small
mercies.

>
> "Cool underfoot" might be a good thing where you live in the summer, but
> my floors stay cool enough in the summer, and I would just as soon not
> have cool floors in the winter.

Underfloor heating . It worked for the Romans and still works for
the Koreans.

John Kane, Kingston ON Canada

John Kane wrote:
> On Sep 20, 10:10 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:

>> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
>> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
>> smokers.
>
> Ever notice the increase in asthma? Not that it is necessarily
> related to carpets but given the off-gassing of new carpets and the
> dustmites of older ones they are probably not good for us. They may
> even affect more poeple than cigs but I doubt if quite as nastily.

Maybe it's causing the increase in peanut allergies, too. Heh.

All I know is all my friend's houses, and my houses, were carpeted.
I'm hearing about this increase in asthma in the past decade or so.
I have area rugs, too, they can't just be washed, either, I don't know
anyone with a machine that large. Beating them on the line might
feel good, but I'm certain that's not ridding them of dust mites/etc.

I just think that smoking and second hand smoke is going to be more
harmful than carpeting. I would be surprised if any doctor would rather
see carpet disappear than cigarettes. After all, upholstered furniture
and beds hold crud on their own, too.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in news:M6ttm.180504$Hw6.113116
@newsfe22.ams2 on Sep Sun 2009 11:53 am

> John Kane wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 10:10 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>>> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
>>> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
>>> smokers.
>>
>> Ever notice the increase in asthma? Not that it is necessarily
>> related to carpets but given the off-gassing of new carpets and the
>> dustmites of older ones they are probably not good for us. They may
>> even affect more poeple than cigs but I doubt if quite as nastily.
>
> Maybe it's causing the increase in peanut allergies, too. Heh.
>
> All I know is all my friend's houses, and my houses, were carpeted.
> I'm hearing about this increase in asthma in the past decade or so.
> I have area rugs, too, they can't just be washed, either, I don't know
> anyone with a machine that large. Beating them on the line might
> feel good, but I'm certain that's not ridding them of dust mites/etc.
>
> I just think that smoking and second hand smoke is going to be more
> harmful than carpeting. I would be surprised if any doctor would rather
> see carpet disappear than cigarettes. After all, upholstered furniture
> and beds hold crud on their own, too.
>
> nancy
>

There's a tie between chlorine in swimming pools and asthma. Seems children who spend some
time swiming in chlorinated pools are 10 times more likely to get asthma.

--
Is that your nose, or are you eatting a banana? -Jimmy Durante

Nancy Young wrote:
> John Kane wrote:
>> On Sep 20, 10:10 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>>> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
>>> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
>>> smokers.
>>
>> Ever notice the increase in asthma? Not that it is necessarily
>> related to carpets but given the off-gassing of new carpets and the
>> dustmites of older ones they are probably not good for us. They may
>> even affect more poeple than cigs but I doubt if quite as nastily.
>
> Maybe it's causing the increase in peanut allergies, too. Heh.
> All I know is all my friend's houses, and my houses, were carpeted.
> I'm hearing about this increase in asthma in the past decade or so.
> I have area rugs, too, they can't just be washed, either, I don't know
> anyone with a machine that large. Beating them on the line might
> feel good, but I'm certain that's not ridding them of dust mites/etc.
> I just think that smoking and second hand smoke is going to be more
> harmful than carpeting. I would be surprised if any doctor would rather
> see carpet disappear than cigarettes. After all, upholstered furniture
> and beds hold crud on their own, too.
>
> nancy

We have about a dozen oriental carpets, real ones, hand woven. I wash
them every three to four years by taking them out on the concrete patio,
using a bucket of Dove dish washing liquid mixed with warm water. I dip
a soft brush in the mix then scrub the carpets, some of them 5X10 feet.
After that I hose them off, turn them over, do the same on the other
side. They then get left in the sun to dry, taken at night and brought
back out the next day if not dry enough.

Used to watch the Iranian rug weavers take new rugs and lay them out in
the nearby stream for the day to wash them, then put them on the road to
dry.

hahabogus wrote:

> There's a tie between chlorine in swimming pools and asthma. Seems
> children who spend some time swiming in chlorinated pools are 10
> times more likely to get asthma.

Interesting. I wonder if public pools (being really over-chlorinated
in my experience) are worse, or if the type of chlorine matters.

nancy

> Om wrote:
>
>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
>> dumbest idea man ever invented.
>

Every allergist I've ever met would agree.

However, in cold climates unless you have a heated floor, WTW is
practical in winter.

gloria p

"Gloria P" > wrote in message
...
>
>> Om wrote:
>>
>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
>>> dumbest idea man ever invented.
>>
>
> Every allergist I've ever met would agree.
>
> However, in cold climates unless you have a heated floor, WTW is
> practical in winter.
>
> gloria p

A few years ago I took the WTW out of my family room and replaced it with
hardwood and a couple of area rugs. I'm still amazed at how much dust gets
into the room that now can be cleaned, instead of settling on the carpet and
getting gown into it so even a good vacuum is not going to get it all.
Eventually, other rooms of the house will get the same treatment. You need
at least some area rugs in winter though, the wood floors feel colder.

On 2009-09-20, Gloria P > wrote:

> Every allergist I've ever met would agree.

nylon rugs have been around for half a century.

> However, in cold climates unless you have a heated floor, WTW is
> practical in winter.

I kinda like 'em. Cheaper, too. Priced hardwood floors, lately?

nb

Nancy Young wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>
>>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>>> Om wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
>>>>> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
>>>>
>>>> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd
>>>> opt for painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look
>>>> gorgeous (and of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>>>>
>>>> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow
>>>> of painted flooring.
>>>
>>> Stunning what they can do. I've seen some concrete countertops
>>> to die for, too.
>>>
>>>> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>>>
>>> Really, as a pulmonologist, I wonder which he'd pick to eliminate.
>>> Not from a business standpoint, of course.
>
>> Wall to wall affects (and infects) FAR more people than cig's do.
>
> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
> smokers.
>
> nancy
Natural fibre carpets like wool produce far less problems than some of
the newer chemical construction floor coverings ( they can emite for years)
Of course a good vacuum with power-head and the regular use slow the
growth of things in the carpet and crevices but that requires a little
house cleaning weekly at least and leaving outside shoes outside

In article
>,
John Kane > wrote:

> On Sep 20, 12:12*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
> > In article >,
> > *"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
> >
> > > Om wrote:
> >
> > > > My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was the
> > > > dumbest idea man ever invented.
> >
> > > Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt for
> > > painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous (and
> > > of course you can always put rugs down, too).
> >
> > >http://www.concretenetwork.com/concr...eriorfloorshas a nice slideshow of
> > > painted flooring.
> >
> > > My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
> >
> > But *most* people don't put cigarettes on the floor.
> >
> > :-)
>
> They don't? Well they do well enough on streets to make up for small
> mercies.
>
> >
> > "Cool underfoot" might be a good thing where you live in the summer, but
> > my floors stay cool enough in the summer, and I would just as soon not
> > have cool floors in the winter.
>
> Underfloor heating . It worked for the Romans and still works for
> the Koreans.

I understand that there is a lot of underfloor hot water heating in this
area (not in my town, though). I also understand that a lot of these
have failed. They are not repairable, and people have to install an
entire forced air heating system to heat their houses.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:07:44 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

-->In article
>,
--> John Kane > wrote:
-->
-->> On Sep 20, 12:12*pm, Dan Abel > wrote:
-->> > In article >,
-->> > *"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
-->> >
-->> > > Om wrote:
-->> >
-->> > > > My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
the
-->> > > > dumbest idea man ever invented.
-->> >
-->> > > Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd opt
for
-->> > > painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look gorgeous
(and
-->> > > of course you can always put rugs down, too).
-->> >
-->> > >http://www.concretenetwork.com/concr...eriorfloorshas a nice slideshow of
-->> > > painted flooring.
-->> >
-->> > > My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
-->> >
-->> > But *most* people don't put cigarettes on the floor.
-->> >
-->> > :-)
-->>
-->> They don't? Well they do well enough on streets to make up for small
-->> mercies.
-->>
-->> >
-->> > "Cool underfoot" might be a good thing where you live in the summer, but
-->> > my floors stay cool enough in the summer, and I would just as soon not
-->> > have cool floors in the winter.
-->>
-->> Underfloor heating . It worked for the Romans and still works for
-->> the Koreans.
-->
-->I understand that there is a lot of underfloor hot water heating in this
-->area (not in my town, though). I also understand that a lot of these
-->have failed. They are not repairable, and people have to install an
-->entire forced air heating system to heat their houses.

The military base i worked on had hot water heating for the whole base,
including the gym ( where I worked) 200 ft. from the main plant across a
roadway of four lanes. We never had a problem at 30 below with our heating,
even with all the pounding traffic over top of the pipes, none ever broke or
sprung leaks.

Dan Abel wrote:

> I understand that there is a lot of underfloor hot water heating in this
> area (not in my town, though). I also understand that a lot of these
> have failed. They are not repairable, and people have to install an
> entire forced air heating system to heat their houses.
>
One of my apartments in Germany was heated through the floor tile. It
was Lov-er-ly!! Love, love, love it!!

On Sep 20, 12:34*pm, John Kane > wrote:

> > "Cool underfoot" might be a good thing where you live in the summer, but
> > my floors stay cool enough in the summer, and I would just as soon not
> > have cool floors in the winter.
>
> Underfloor heating . It worked for the Romans and still works for
> the Koreans.

And then we'll still have to run ducting for central air. I'll stick
with wood
floors and forced-air heat. We've got tile (either ceramic or
porcelain--I can't
tell without destroying it) in the bathroom, and it's mighty nippy in
the winter.
(But a couple of rugs take care of that problem.)

Cindy Hamilton

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>> Om wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
>>>> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
>>> Given carte blanche with the decorating in Lin's and my house, I'd
>>> opt for painted concrete floors. It's cool underfoot and it can look
>>> gorgeous (and of course you can always put rugs down, too).
>>>
>>> www.concretenetwork.com/concrete/interiorfloors has a nice slideshow
>>> of painted flooring.
>> Stunning what they can do. I've seen some concrete countertops
>> to die for, too.
>>
>>> My vote for "dumbest idea ever" would be cigarettes.
>> Really, as a pulmonologist, I wonder which he'd pick to eliminate.
>> Not from a business standpoint, of course.
>>
>> nancy
>
> Wall to wall affects (and infects) FAR more people than cig's do.

I think I shocked several people recently when I voiced a dislike
for carpeting and opined that I'd have to get hardwood floor put
in where the carpeting was. (No, these abodes fell through. I
haven't found the house, but may be close.)

--
Jean B.

hahabogus wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in news:M6ttm.180504$Hw6.113116
> @newsfe22.ams2 on Sep Sun 2009 11:53 am
>
>> John Kane wrote:
>>> On Sep 20, 10:10 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>>> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
>>>> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
>>>> smokers.
>>> Ever notice the increase in asthma? Not that it is necessarily
>>> related to carpets but given the off-gassing of new carpets and the
>>> dustmites of older ones they are probably not good for us. They may
>>> even affect more poeple than cigs but I doubt if quite as nastily.
>> Maybe it's causing the increase in peanut allergies, too. Heh.
>>
>> All I know is all my friend's houses, and my houses, were carpeted.
>> I'm hearing about this increase in asthma in the past decade or so.
>> I have area rugs, too, they can't just be washed, either, I don't know
>> anyone with a machine that large. Beating them on the line might
>> feel good, but I'm certain that's not ridding them of dust mites/etc.
>>
>> I just think that smoking and second hand smoke is going to be more
>> harmful than carpeting. I would be surprised if any doctor would rather
>> see carpet disappear than cigarettes. After all, upholstered furniture
>> and beds hold crud on their own, too.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> There's a tie between chlorine in swimming pools and asthma. Seems children who spend some
> time swiming in chlorinated pools are 10 times more likely to get asthma.
>
Oh, how interesting. That makes me happy that we haven't had a
pool--or availed ourselves of other people's pools much.

--
Jean B.

George Shirley wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>> John Kane wrote:
>>> On Sep 20, 10:10 am, "Nancy Young" > wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't know, where I live office buildings and homes are largely
>>>> carpeted and most of us seem to be breathing fine. Except the
>>>> smokers.
>>>
>>> Ever notice the increase in asthma? Not that it is necessarily
>>> related to carpets but given the off-gassing of new carpets and the
>>> dustmites of older ones they are probably not good for us. They may
>>> even affect more poeple than cigs but I doubt if quite as nastily.
>>
>> Maybe it's causing the increase in peanut allergies, too. Heh.
>> All I know is all my friend's houses, and my houses, were carpeted.
>> I'm hearing about this increase in asthma in the past decade or so.
>> I have area rugs, too, they can't just be washed, either, I don't know
>> anyone with a machine that large. Beating them on the line might
>> feel good, but I'm certain that's not ridding them of dust mites/etc.
>> I just think that smoking and second hand smoke is going to be more
>> harmful than carpeting. I would be surprised if any doctor would rather
>> see carpet disappear than cigarettes. After all, upholstered furniture
>> and beds hold crud on their own, too.
>>
>> nancy
>
> We have about a dozen oriental carpets, real ones, hand woven. I wash
> them every three to four years by taking them out on the concrete patio,
> using a bucket of Dove dish washing liquid mixed with warm water. I dip
> a soft brush in the mix then scrub the carpets, some of them 5X10 feet.
> After that I hose them off, turn them over, do the same on the other
> side. They then get left in the sun to dry, taken at night and brought
> back out the next day if not dry enough.
>
> Used to watch the Iranian rug weavers take new rugs and lay them out in
> the nearby stream for the day to wash them, then put them on the road to
> dry.

Oh, that's interesting. I wonder whether I could do my silk
oriental rug that way too?

--
Jean B.

Gloria P wrote:
>
>> Om wrote:
>>
>>> My mom's pulmonologist told me that he felt that WTW carpeting was
>>> the dumbest idea man ever invented.
>>
>
> Every allergist I've ever met would agree.
>
> However, in cold climates unless you have a heated floor, WTW is
> practical in winter.
>
> gloria p

We wear socks inside. :-) The floor is only a shock when one
initially gets up sans socks.

--
Jean B.