zxcvbob wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
>> James Silverton wrote:
>>> dsi1 wrote on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:55:53 -1000:
>>>
>>>> James Silverton wrote:
>>>>> You know Blake, speaking from memories of growing up during
>>>>> WWII, fried Spam is not all that bad. I'll also admit that
>>>>> I've not been inclined to try any form of Spam for 50 years, not
>>>>> even the Hawaiian sushi, Spam Nigiri!
>>>>>
>>>> As far as I know there's no such thing as Hawaiian sushi or
>>>> Spam nigiri, at least not in Hawaii. I can imagine folks doing
>>>> crazy stuff like that on the mainland though. Over here, Spam is
>>>> used to top musubi, which is a salted, non-vinegared, ball of rice.
>>>> Spam nigiri? Eeccch! :-)
>>>
>>> In the days when I visited Hawaii, we would often take out lunch from
>>> a little place in a shopping center near Hananuma Bay. There was
>>> always a variety of nigiri displayed including what looked like some
>>> using spam. It seems unlikely that they would make up special rice
>>> for spam but I never tried the stuff. I have to admit that that I've
>>> never come across musubi if that's what it is.
>>>
>>
>> A Spam musubi looks a lot like a nigiri in that it's a slice of stuff
>> laid over shaped rice. The difference being that the rice is plain
>> rice and it's larger than typical nigiri which is meant to be eaten in
>> one bite. A musubi is rice in a form that is meant to be eaten while
>> traveling or on a picnic.
>>
>> I used to make musubi long ago but haven't made one in decades. The
>> method is to wet your hands with cold water and then sprinkle salt on
>> your wet palms and place a scoop of hot rice in your hands and shape
>> it into a pleasing semi-rounded triangle. Getting the shape right is
>> important - to me, at least. You can always tell the expertise of cook
>> by the shape. :-)
>>
>> Somehow, if you do it right, you won't get burned. My favorite musubi
>> would have a wrap of nori and a red pickled plum buried in the center
>> of the rice. Well, that's pretty much all I know about that.
>
>
> This looks pretty authentic to me, although it's done in a manner to
> appear ridiculous: http://www.musubi.org/ Click on the image to get to
> the video link. HTH
>
> Bob
>
>

That's a pretty funny series of videos. I'm sure that different regions
and eras in Japan favored different shapes ranging from semi-rounded to
oval to triangular. The rounded triangle has always been the preferred
shape in Hawaii but I've seen Japan films where it's not formed that
way. In my old age, I kinda like the edges to be more rounded - almost
like an airfoil leading edge. The musubi tend to be somewhat larger in
Japan which makes perfect sense since their island is a lot bigger and
they have longer distances to travel. :-)

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:37:05 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> zxcvbob > wrote:
>>
>>>> http://foodforu.ca/wpgsushi.html
>>>
>>> Thanks; that was a lot more helpful than the folks I saw using a whole
>>> sheet of nori to make a small diameter roll -- with no rice. I'm not
>>> sure why he rolled the tuna roll inside out. I thought only the
>>> California roll did that (because Westerners don't like to see the seaweed)
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> What was that sauce he squeezed onto it?
>
> I'm pretty sure it was Arby's "Horsey Sauce" :P
> (I'm kind of serious, just trying to make it sound funny)
>
> Bob

god help me, i like that stuff. ersatz though it may be, once in a while
an arby's fake roast beef sandwich hits the spot.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:39:28 -0400, James Silverton wrote:

> blake wrote on Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:40:22 -0400:
>
>>> In article >,
>>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>
>>> [snipped usual BS]
>>>
>>>> the man eats a case of spam a month. case closed.
>>>
>>> Did he really say that? I remember him saying that he bought
>>> spam by the case, but don't remember him saying how long a
>>> case lasts. It *does* last a long time, unopened.
>>>
>>> Reminds me of his tirades against "mystery meat", meaning
>>> hamburger purchased already ground rather than ground at
>>> home, soon followed by a proud picture of soup, with the very
>>> cheapest mass-produced sausage in generous quantity.
>
>> let's just say that anyone for whom a case of spam is not a
>> lifetime's supply has no business yammering about TIAD.
>
> You know Blake, speaking from memories of growing up during WWII, fried
> Spam is not all that bad. I'll also admit that I've not been inclined to
> try any form of Spam for 50 years, not even the Hawaiian sushi, Spam
> Nigiri!

i'm not saying it should never be eaten, but it's one of those weird food
cravings that you might indulge every couple years or so, not every couple
days. i mean, you'd be better off buying a ham slice and frying that up -
the price is not all that different. in fact, the ham might be cheaper.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:37:05 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:
>
> > Omelet wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> zxcvbob > wrote:
> >>
> >>>> http://foodforu.ca/wpgsushi.html
> >>>
> >>> Thanks; that was a lot more helpful than the folks I saw using a whole
> >>> sheet of nori to make a small diameter roll -- with no rice. I'm not
> >>> sure why he rolled the tuna roll inside out. I thought only the
> >>> California roll did that (because Westerners don't like to see the
> >>> seaweed)
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>
> >> What was that sauce he squeezed onto it?
> >
> > I'm pretty sure it was Arby's "Horsey Sauce" :P
> > (I'm kind of serious, just trying to make it sound funny)
> >
> > Bob
>
> god help me, i like that stuff. ersatz though it may be, once in a while
> an arby's fake roast beef sandwich hits the spot.
>
> your pal,
> blake

My mom LOVED Arby's Horsey sauce. I detest Arby's roast beef sandwiches
any more. I used to love them until I lost my taste for salt. Biting
into one of them now is like biting into a salt shaker. I can't taste
the meat for the damned salt. :-(
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On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:55:53 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

> James Silverton wrote:
>> You know Blake, speaking from memories of growing up during WWII, fried
>> Spam is not all that bad. I'll also admit that I've not been inclined to
>> try any form of Spam for 50 years, not even the Hawaiian sushi, Spam
>> Nigiri!
>>
>
> As far as I know there's no such thing as Hawaiian sushi or Spam nigiri,
> at least not in Hawaii. I can imagine folks doing crazy stuff like that
> on the mainland though. Over here, Spam is used to top musubi, which is
> a salted, non-vinegared, ball of rice. Spam nigiri? Eeccch! :-)

well, the distinction between musubi and nigiri is going to be lost on most
westerners. [spam sushi] (no quotes) turns up 1,250,000 hits.

*wikipedia* has this to say about spam musubi:

Spam musubi is a very popular snack and lunch food in Hawaii made in the
tradition of Japanese onigiri, also known as a musubi. Spam musubi is
composed of a block of salted rice with a slice of Spam (heated or
unheated) on top and typically nori (seaweed) surrounding it to keep its
shape.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_musubi>

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:35:52 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> James wrote:
>
>> fried Spam is not all that bad. I'll also admit that I've not been
>> inclined to try any form of Spam for 50 years, not even the Hawaiian
>> sushi, Spam Nigiri!
>
> I make a quasi-Hawaiian snack of ramen soup with coconut milk, baby corn,
> and fried SPAM.
>
> Bob

maybe you can yet enter sheldon's good graces.

your pal,
blake

Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:37:05 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:
>>
>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> http://foodforu.ca/wpgsushi.html
>>>>> Thanks; that was a lot more helpful than the folks I saw using a whole
>>>>> sheet of nori to make a small diameter roll -- with no rice. I'm not
>>>>> sure why he rolled the tuna roll inside out. I thought only the
>>>>> California roll did that (because Westerners don't like to see the
>>>>> seaweed)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>> What was that sauce he squeezed onto it?
>>> I'm pretty sure it was Arby's "Horsey Sauce" :P
>>> (I'm kind of serious, just trying to make it sound funny)
>>>
>>> Bob
>> god help me, i like that stuff. ersatz though it may be, once in a while
>> an arby's fake roast beef sandwich hits the spot.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> My mom LOVED Arby's Horsey sauce. I detest Arby's roast beef sandwiches
> any more. I used to love them until I lost my taste for salt. Biting
> into one of them now is like biting into a salt shaker. I can't taste
> the meat for the damned salt. :-(



I love the sauce, hate the roast beef sandwiches. Some of their other
menu items are OK (like the mocha shakes), so I go in and order a shake
occasionally and grab a couple of packets of Horsey Sauce on the way
out. I wonder what they think at the counter...

Horseradish and Miracle Whip is a pretty good substitute. Mayo is too
oily and not sweet enough.

Bob

blake murphy wrote:

> well, the distinction between musubi and nigiri is going to be lost on most
> westerners. [spam sushi] (no quotes) turns up 1,250,000 hits.

This is true. If my tone was taken to be condescending, I'm sorry for
that - no disrespect was intended. One thing's for sure - for an Asian
dude, I'm kinda, annoying. :-)

>
> *wikipedia* has this to say about spam musubi:
>
> Spam musubi is a very popular snack and lunch food in Hawaii made in the
> tradition of Japanese onigiri, also known as a musubi. Spam musubi is
> composed of a block of salted rice with a slice of Spam (heated or
> unheated) on top and typically nori (seaweed) surrounding it to keep its
> shape.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_musubi>
>
> your pal,
> blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:55:53 -1000, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > James Silverton wrote:
> >> You know Blake, speaking from memories of growing up during WWII, fried
> >> Spam is not all that bad. I'll also admit that I've not been inclined to
> >> try any form of Spam for 50 years, not even the Hawaiian sushi, Spam
> >> Nigiri!
> >>
> >
> > As far as I know there's no such thing as Hawaiian sushi or Spam nigiri,
> > at least not in Hawaii. I can imagine folks doing crazy stuff like that
> > on the mainland though. Over here, Spam is used to top musubi, which is
> > a salted, non-vinegared, ball of rice. Spam nigiri? Eeccch! :-)
>
> well, the distinction between musubi and nigiri is going to be lost on most
> westerners. [spam sushi] (no quotes) turns up 1,250,000 hits.
>
> *wikipedia* has this to say about spam musubi:
>
> Spam musubi is a very popular snack and lunch food in Hawaii made in the
> tradition of Japanese onigiri, also known as a musubi. Spam musubi is
> composed of a block of salted rice with a slice of Spam (heated or
> unheated) on top and typically nori (seaweed) surrounding it to keep its
> shape.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_musubi>
>
> your pal,
> blake

Salt-a-holics wet dream. <g> Especially with Teryaki sauce...
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In article >,
zxcvbob > wrote:

> >> god help me, i like that stuff. ersatz though it may be, once in a while
> >> an arby's fake roast beef sandwich hits the spot.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > My mom LOVED Arby's Horsey sauce. I detest Arby's roast beef sandwiches
> > any more. I used to love them until I lost my taste for salt. Biting
> > into one of them now is like biting into a salt shaker. I can't taste
> > the meat for the damned salt. :-(
>
>
>
> I love the sauce, hate the roast beef sandwiches. Some of their other
> menu items are OK (like the mocha shakes), so I go in and order a shake
> occasionally and grab a couple of packets of Horsey Sauce on the way
> out. I wonder what they think at the counter...

<chuckles> I'm sure most of them have learned to not judge the
customers personal tastes.

>
> Horseradish and Miracle Whip is a pretty good substitute. Mayo is too
> oily and not sweet enough.
>
> Bob

Add sugar?

I'm just not a horseradish fan. I also won't go near Wasabi.
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:37:05 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:
>>
>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>> In article >,
>>>> zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> http://foodforu.ca/wpgsushi.html
>>>>> Thanks; that was a lot more helpful than the folks I saw using a whole
>>>>> sheet of nori to make a small diameter roll -- with no rice. I'm not
>>>>> sure why he rolled the tuna roll inside out. I thought only the
>>>>> California roll did that (because Westerners don't like to see the
>>>>> seaweed)
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>> What was that sauce he squeezed onto it?
>>> I'm pretty sure it was Arby's "Horsey Sauce" :P
>>> (I'm kind of serious, just trying to make it sound funny)
>>>
>>> Bob
>> god help me, i like that stuff. ersatz though it may be, once in a while
>> an arby's fake roast beef sandwich hits the spot.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> My mom LOVED Arby's Horsey sauce. I detest Arby's roast beef sandwiches
> any more. I used to love them until I lost my taste for salt. Biting
> into one of them now is like biting into a salt shaker. I can't taste
> the meat for the damned salt. :-(

They actually served real food at one time. When I was in college an
arbies roast beef sandwich had thin sliced actual roast beef and the
"horsey sauce" actually had horseradish. Now they serve a big box
industrial quality beef baloney type product and the "horsey sauce" is
some industrial concoction. I forgot how bad the current version of
arbies fake roast beef was until a few weeks ago I was working on a
problem and at lunch time someone there asked if I wanted food. I said
bring me back whatever was convenient and it turned out to be an arbies
fake roast beef sandwich..

In article >,
George > wrote:

> >> god help me, i like that stuff. ersatz though it may be, once in a while
> >> an arby's fake roast beef sandwich hits the spot.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > My mom LOVED Arby's Horsey sauce. I detest Arby's roast beef sandwiches
> > any more. I used to love them until I lost my taste for salt. Biting
> > into one of them now is like biting into a salt shaker. I can't taste
> > the meat for the damned salt. :-(
>
> They actually served real food at one time. When I was in college an
> arbies roast beef sandwich had thin sliced actual roast beef and the
> "horsey sauce" actually had horseradish. Now they serve a big box
> industrial quality beef baloney type product and the "horsey sauce" is
> some industrial concoction. I forgot how bad the current version of
> arbies fake roast beef was until a few weeks ago I was working on a
> problem and at lunch time someone there asked if I wanted food. I said
> bring me back whatever was convenient and it turned out to be an arbies
> fake roast beef sandwich..

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zxcvbob wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:37:05 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:
>>>
>>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://foodforu.ca/wpgsushi.html
>>>>>> Thanks; that was a lot more helpful than the folks I saw using a
>>>>>> whole sheet of nori to make a small diameter roll -- with no
>>>>>> rice. I'm not sure why he rolled the tuna roll inside out. I
>>>>>> thought only the California roll did that (because Westerners
>>>>>> don't like to see the seaweed)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>> What was that sauce he squeezed onto it?
>>>> I'm pretty sure it was Arby's "Horsey Sauce" :P
>>>> (I'm kind of serious, just trying to make it sound funny)
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>> god help me, i like that stuff. ersatz though it may be, once in a
>>> while
>>> an arby's fake roast beef sandwich hits the spot.
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>>
>> My mom LOVED Arby's Horsey sauce. I detest Arby's roast beef
>> sandwiches any more. I used to love them until I lost my taste for
>> salt. Biting into one of them now is like biting into a salt shaker.
>> I can't taste the meat for the damned salt. :-(
>
>
>
> I love the sauce, hate the roast beef sandwiches. Some of their other
> menu items are OK (like the mocha shakes), so I go in and order a shake
> occasionally and grab a couple of packets of Horsey Sauce on the way
> out. I wonder what they think at the counter...
>
> Horseradish and Miracle Whip is a pretty good substitute. Mayo is too
> oily and not sweet enough.
>
> Bob

I found a reference some time ago that stated there was no horseradish
in their "horsey sauce" and it is a better living through chemistry
concoction. Likely thats why they have to call it "horsey sauce" for the
same reason other places have to call their milkshakes "shakes". I
remember when it was actually called "horseradish sauce".

On 2009-09-28, George > wrote:


> I found a reference some time ago that stated there was no horseradish
> in their "horsey sauce" and it is a better living through chemistry
> concoction.

Hah! I thought you folks were just kidding, speaking childishly. I
had no idea there was actually a name, "horsey sauce". I guess I'm
not surprised, though. Arby's hasn't served anything good to eat in
over 40 yrs. In fact, I'm shocked to learn they still even exist.
All the Arby's I knew of closed decades ago.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-09-28, zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>> This looks pretty authentic to me, although it's done in a manner to
>> appear ridiculous:
>
> Appear? It was ludicrous, but a total hoot. I love the $300
> get-shocked-if-you-do-it-wrong training device. The concept is almost
> too absurd to take seriously ....until you consider just how really
> weird the Japanese are.
>

The Japanese are a bit on the perverse side... :-)

> nb

In article >,
Stu > wrote:

> -->> Horseradish and Miracle Whip is a pretty good substitute. Mayo is too
> -->> oily and not sweet enough.
> -->>
> -->> Bob
> -->
> -->Add sugar?
> -->
> -->I'm just not a horseradish fan. I also won't go near Wasabi.
>
> I as well don't enjoy wasabi. The ginger however, the more the better or I
> take
> a small bottle of rooster sauce with me.

Ginger, just a smidge, but I use a mix of soy sauce, oyster sauce and
home made vinegar at home. I'm fixin' to start a new batch of
Blackberry red wine vinegar as I'm almost out of my current batch. Damn
that stuff is good!
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In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> notbob wrote:
> > On 2009-09-28, zxcvbob > wrote:
> >
> >> This looks pretty authentic to me, although it's done in a manner to
> >> appear ridiculous:
> >
> > Appear? It was ludicrous, but a total hoot. I love the $300
> > get-shocked-if-you-do-it-wrong training device. The concept is almost
> > too absurd to take seriously ....until you consider just how really
> > weird the Japanese are.
> >
>
> The Japanese are a bit on the perverse side... :-)
>

To put it mildly... Japanese Anime is one of their more "interesting"
and revealing art forms.
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In article >,
Christine Dabney > wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:36:00 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>
> >All the Arby's I knew of closed decades ago.
> >
> >nb
>
> There are quite a few of them here in ABQ. One not incredibly far from
> where I live.
>
> Christine

There is one here in town where I live that's been open for over 25
years.

I still won't eat there any more. Haven't since I went low sodium 17
years ago and lost my taste for salt.
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> notbob wrote:
>>> On 2009-09-28, zxcvbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>> This looks pretty authentic to me, although it's done in a manner to
>>>> appear ridiculous:
>>> Appear? It was ludicrous, but a total hoot. I love the $300
>>> get-shocked-if-you-do-it-wrong training device. The concept is almost
>>> too absurd to take seriously ....until you consider just how really
>>> weird the Japanese are.
>>>
>> The Japanese are a bit on the perverse side... :-)
>>
>
> To put it mildly... Japanese Anime is one of their more "interesting"
> and revealing art forms.

Imagine that - comics as an art. Americans seem to have accepted comics
as a legitimate literary form. My son's room is filled with big thick
comic novels - unfortunately, comics do occupy a lot of space. Good
thing I haven't spotted any of that Japanese sex manga stuff in those
piles. I was reading a Japanese comic from the 60s this evening - Astro
Boy. Not that interesting to me. :-)

notbob wrote:


> No doubt it has to do with reading being taught in school and parents
> reading to their children. Until well into the third grade, we were
> read stories for at least an hour a day, every day. I still remember
> some of the stories I vividly imagined while sitting with my head down
> on my desk, our teacher imbuing each character with an individual
> personality simply by varying her tone and inflection. Reading out
> loud is a skill, too, and several of my teachers made us do it by
> reading aloud to the other students.

I've always read out loud to my kids, and not just children's books,
either. It's as about teaching the rhythms and cadences of language as
much as about the story. Although the stories stick as well. The first
book I read to my daughter as a newborn was "Dances With Wolves". 12
years later she saw the movie on video and exclaimed, "I know this
story! Where have I seen this before?"

I don't remember my son's first book, but we read through most of Terry
Pratchett's stuff together. My kids are 19 and 15 and will still
wheedle for me to read to them when they are tired, sick or merely
feeling in need of nurturing.

I sub in an English as a Second Language class and do a lot of reading
out loud there as well. I read to those students just like I did to my
own kids when they were very small, with lots of side explanations and
questions to gauge comprehension.

Last week I was reading "Sarah, Tall and Plain" one-on-one with a girl
from Ethiopia. I asked her if she understood what the story was about
and she confessed that she did not. I explained to her about how the
western part of the US was settled, and about the lack of women, and
about mail-order brides from back east. Her eyes opened wide and she
exclaimed "OHHH!!!", and this whole story about this fellow she was
corresponding with from her old country, via e-mail, came tumbling out.
Seems he's 5 years older than her and wants to come to the US and
marry her in 3 years, when she turns 18.

Ngahhhahhh...

I asked her if she'd shared this with her mother. No, her mother was
back home. Her uncle adopted her so she could come to the US. I asked
her if she'd shared this with her regular teacher. No, her regular
teacher had never asked. I suggested that she talk to her councilor
about it but I doubt she will as I could see she really didn't see the
point.

You just never know where these sorts of conversations will take you.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:59:15 -1000, dsi1 wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> well, the distinction between musubi and nigiri is going to be lost on most
>> westerners. [spam sushi] (no quotes) turns up 1,250,000 hits.
>
> This is true. If my tone was taken to be condescending, I'm sorry for
> that - no disrespect was intended. One thing's for sure - for an Asian
> dude, I'm kinda, annoying. :-)
>

only faintly annoying. i was just surprised at you saying 'there's no such
thing as Hawaiian sushi or Spam nigiri, at least not in Hawaii.'

your pal,
blake

>>
>> *wikipedia* has this to say about spam musubi:
>>
>> Spam musubi is a very popular snack and lunch food in Hawaii made in the
>> tradition of Japanese onigiri, also known as a musubi. Spam musubi is
>> composed of a block of salted rice with a slice of Spam (heated or
>> unheated) on top and typically nori (seaweed) surrounding it to keep its
>> shape.
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_musubi>
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake

blake murphy wrote:

>
> only faintly annoying. i was just surprised at you saying 'there's no such
> thing as Hawaiian sushi or Spam nigiri, at least not in Hawaii.'

"Faintly annoying?" Will try harder in the future. :-)

The trouble is that we have differing ideas of of the words sushi,
nigiri and Hawaiian, maybe even Spam. The differences are minor but it's
enough make my words incomprehensible to you. That's not a problem -
that's a fairly typical outcome when locals and non-locals try to
interact with each other anywhere in the world.

>
> your pal,
> blake
>

On Sep 29, 1:55*pm, dsi1 > wrote:

> The kids these days are likely the first generation that's proficient in
> using a keyboard and expressing themselves through text.
>
> It's gonna be interesting to see what becomes of a generation of kids
> raised on video games and texting. The kids seem to be so at ease in
> expressing their thoughts on computer screen and phones. I read a paper
> written by my home-schooled son for his college class and it's obvious
> that he's a better writer than his teacher. We may see a new golden age
> of writers in a few years. Of course, it could all go wrong but I tend
> to look on the bright side of most things. :-)

I'm a little worried about their fine motor skills, though.
Controlling a
pen or pencil teaches your fingers quite a bit that I believe they're
missing. It will be laborious and frustrating for them to learn to
use
their hands. I suppose robot-aided surgery will become the norm, as
will any number of other skills.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:


> In the days when I visited Hawaii, we would often take out lunch from a
> little place in a shopping center near Hananuma Bay. There was always a
> variety of nigiri displayed including what looked like some using spam.
> It seems unlikely that they would make up special rice for spam but I
> never tried the stuff. I have to admit that that I've never come across
> musubi if that's what it is.

Here's a picture of musubi, including spam (scroll to bottom):

http://www.hawaiianbarbecue.com/our_menu.html

Our local Hawaiian place sells musubi for US$1.60 a piece, or two for
US$2.95. Your choice of spam or chicken.

My own personal opinion is that musubi is no more related to sushi than
a teriyaki rice bowl or US Chinese pork fried rice.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:

> using a keyboard and expressing themselves through text.

I'm always amused by ppl who say changing to Linux is too difficult
due the occasional need for using the command line. These same ppl
then turn around and txt for hours with friends. I spend hours
utilizing the command line with Linux, yet wouldn't waste 2 seconds
texting, preferring the actual phone over the bizarre practice of
sending twit length messages via an impaired keyboard. Go figure.
nb

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sep 29, 1:55 pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> The kids these days are likely the first generation that's proficient in
>> using a keyboard and expressing themselves through text.
>>
>> It's gonna be interesting to see what becomes of a generation of kids
>> raised on video games and texting. The kids seem to be so at ease in
>> expressing their thoughts on computer screen and phones. I read a paper
>> written by my home-schooled son for his college class and it's obvious
>> that he's a better writer than his teacher. We may see a new golden age
>> of writers in a few years. Of course, it could all go wrong but I tend
>> to look on the bright side of most things. :-)
>
> I'm a little worried about their fine motor skills, though.
> Controlling a
> pen or pencil teaches your fingers quite a bit that I believe they're
> missing. It will be laborious and frustrating for them to learn to
> use
> their hands. I suppose robot-aided surgery will become the norm, as
> will any number of other skills.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I saw a paper hand written by my daughter and in a years time, her
penmanship has gone from scrawly to pretty and readable. My son seems to
have a less refined, blocky style but still very readable. Let me tell
you, I was worried about their penmanship early on but everything is
hunky-dorrie in that department these days. Unfortunately, now my
daughter wants to have her tongue pierced. Oy vey!

On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:

> daughter wants to have her tongue pierced. Oy vey!

Ask her why.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> using a keyboard and expressing themselves through text.
>
> I'm always amused by ppl who say changing to Linux is too difficult
> due the occasional need for using the command line. These same ppl
> then turn around and txt for hours with friends. I spend hours
> utilizing the command line with Linux, yet wouldn't waste 2 seconds
> texting, preferring the actual phone over the bizarre practice of
> sending twit length messages via an impaired keyboard. Go figure.
> nb

I don't understand the appeal of texting either but the amount of
messages a texter will send each day is staggering.

As far as Linux goes, desktop computers might soon be a thing of the
past. The battle for the OS of hand-held devices will probably determine
how we'll be be computing and staying connected in the future. This
could be bigger than MS vs Apple vs Linux ever was. I'm hoping it'll be
an open-architecture OS like Google's Android.

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> daughter wants to have her tongue pierced. Oy vey!
>
> Ask her why.
>
> nb

That's a sore subject with me... My wife says there could be a big wave
heading towards us. If we're lucky, we'll all be swept away and killed.
That would pretty much take care of that tongue piercing business!

On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:


> past. The battle for the OS of hand-held devices will probably determine
> how we'll be be computing and staying connected in the future.

I don't believe this will ever happen. You can't sit at a palm sized
screen and single finger keyboard and do any kind of productive work
for hours on end, no matter how sophisticated the OS.

> an open-architecture OS like Google's Android.

Hard to get more open than linux. It's considered OSS, after all.

nb

On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:

> That's a sore subject with me... My wife says there could be a big wave
> heading towards us. If we're lucky, we'll all be swept away and killed.
> That would pretty much take care of that tongue piercing business!

heh heh....

If it's any consolation, tongue piercing is a dying fad.

nb

notbob wrote:
> On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>> That's a sore subject with me... My wife says there could be a big wave
>> heading towards us. If we're lucky, we'll all be swept away and killed.
>> That would pretty much take care of that tongue piercing business!
>
> heh heh....
>
> If it's any consolation, tongue piercing is a dying fad.
>
> nb

Well I sure hope it hurries up and dies soon. OTOH, the kids seem to be
up on the latests fads - maybe it's the latest trend with 13-15 year olds?

In article >,
notbob > wrote:

> On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > That's a sore subject with me... My wife says there could be a big wave
> > heading towards us. If we're lucky, we'll all be swept away and killed.
> > That would pretty much take care of that tongue piercing business!
>
> heh heh....
>
> If it's any consolation, tongue piercing is a dying fad.
>
> nb

Gods I hope so! It's one of the few body piercings that seriously
grosses me out. It's the sound of that stud clicking on their teeth.
<shudders>
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In article
>,
Cindy Hamilton > wrote:

> On Sep 29, 1:55*pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
> > The kids these days are likely the first generation that's proficient in
> > using a keyboard and expressing themselves through text.
> >
> > It's gonna be interesting to see what becomes of a generation of kids
> > raised on video games and texting. The kids seem to be so at ease in
> > expressing their thoughts on computer screen and phones. I read a paper
> > written by my home-schooled son for his college class and it's obvious
> > that he's a better writer than his teacher. We may see a new golden age
> > of writers in a few years. Of course, it could all go wrong but I tend
> > to look on the bright side of most things. :-)
>
> I'm a little worried about their fine motor skills, though.
> Controlling a
> pen or pencil teaches your fingers quite a bit that I believe they're
> missing. It will be laborious and frustrating for them to learn to
> use
> their hands. I suppose robot-aided surgery will become the norm, as
> will any number of other skills.

Ever watch somebody (especially an adult) use a mouse for the first
time? There's a lot of fine motor skills involved. Not so much for the
keyboard, but watching somebody learning to touch type can be painful.

I knew a high level accountant (actually a high level financial manager)
who was right handed. His right hand was reserved for his 10 key
machine. He used the mouse with his left hand. Even after 15 years, it
was painful to watch. His employees would literally ask him to leave
his chair when he had a few numbers to enter into a spreadsheet, and
they would do it for him.

Video games take a lot of fine motor skills.

And when kids are first learning fine motor skills, the schools are
heavily into writing.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan wrote on Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:09:38 -0700:

>> In the days when I visited Hawaii, we would often take out
>> lunch from a little place in a shopping center near Hananuma
>> Bay. There was always a variety of nigiri displayed including
>> what looked like some using spam. It seems unlikely that they
>> would make up special rice for spam but I never tried the
>> stuff. I have to admit that that I've never come across
>> musubi if that's what it is.

> Here's a picture of musubi, including spam (scroll to bottom):

> http://www.hawaiianbarbecue.com/our_menu.html

> Our local Hawaiian place sells musubi for US$1.60 a piece, or
> two for US$2.95. Your choice of spam or chicken.

> My own personal opinion is that musubi is no more related to
> sushi than a teriyaki rice bowl or US Chinese pork fried rice.

Apart from the fact that you can buy it in a Hawaiian Sushi-ya :-)

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> notbob wrote:
> > On 2009-09-29, dsi1 > wrote:
> >
> >> using a keyboard and expressing themselves through text.
> >
> > I'm always amused by ppl

ppl?

> who say changing to Linux is too difficult
> > due the occasional need for using the command line. These same ppl
> > then turn around and txt

txt?

> for hours with friends. I spend hours
> > utilizing the command line with Linux, yet wouldn't waste 2 seconds
> > texting, preferring the actual phone over the bizarre practice of
> > sending twit length messages via an impaired keyboard. Go figure.

You type like a texter.

> I don't understand the appeal of texting either but the amount of
> messages a texter will send each day is staggering.

My daughter has a text plan for her phone, but she usually sends Email.
I have sent one text message in my life, a happy birthday greeting to my
son whose phone didn't have coverage most of the time.

My daughter has a full keyboard on her phone.

> As far as Linux goes, desktop computers might soon be a thing of the
> past. The battle for the OS of hand-held devices will probably determine
> how we'll be be computing and staying connected in the future. This
> could be bigger than MS vs Apple vs Linux ever was. I'm hoping it'll be
> an open-architecture OS like Google's Android.

The MAC OS is written in standard Unix.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> On Sep 29, 1:55 pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>
>
>> The kids these days are likely the first generation that's
>> proficient in using a keyboard and expressing themselves through
>> text.
>>
>> It's gonna be interesting to see what becomes of a generation of
>> kids raised on video games and texting. The kids seem to be so at
>> ease in expressing their thoughts on computer screen and phones. I
>> read a paper written by my home-schooled son for his college class
>> and it's obvious that he's a better writer than his teacher. We may
>> see a new golden age of writers in a few years. Of course, it could
>> all go wrong but I tend to look on the bright side of most things.
>> :-)
>
>
> I'm a little worried about their fine motor skills, though.
> Controlling a pen or pencil teaches your fingers quite a bit that I
> believe they're missing. It will be laborious and frustrating for
> them to learn to use their hands. I suppose robot-aided surgery will
> become the norm, as will any number of other skills.



There are always old skill sets that fall by the wayside in the course
of progress. New ones take their places. I don't know how to use a
button hook or spin yarn, and have never felt disadvantaged as a result.
And if you think today's youth don't know how to use their hands
you've never watched them playing video games.

dsi1 wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>> On Sep 29, 1:55 pm, dsi1 > wrote:
>>
>>> The kids these days are likely the first generation that's proficient in
>>> using a keyboard and expressing themselves through text.
>>>
>>> It's gonna be interesting to see what becomes of a generation of kids
>>> raised on video games and texting. The kids seem to be so at ease in
>>> expressing their thoughts on computer screen and phones. I read a paper
>>> written by my home-schooled son for his college class and it's obvious
>>> that he's a better writer than his teacher. We may see a new golden age
>>> of writers in a few years. Of course, it could all go wrong but I tend
>>> to look on the bright side of most things. :-)
>>
>>
>> I'm a little worried about their fine motor skills, though.
>> Controlling a
>> pen or pencil teaches your fingers quite a bit that I believe they're
>> missing. It will be laborious and frustrating for them to learn to
>> use
>> their hands. I suppose robot-aided surgery will become the norm, as
>> will any number of other skills.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> I saw a paper hand written by my daughter and in a years time, her
> penmanship has gone from scrawly to pretty and readable. My son seems to
> have a less refined, blocky style but still very readable. Let me tell
> you, I was worried about their penmanship early on but everything is
> hunky-dorrie in that department these days. Unfortunately, now my
> daughter wants to have her tongue pierced. Oy vey!

Infection and chipped teeth are the main risk. Well, that and a
peculiar "cud-chewing" facial mannerism common to those with new tongue
piercings, until they get over the novelty of the sensation.

When she gets bored with it and takes out the hardware the hole will
seal itself in short order leaving no trace. Be glad she doesn't want a
tattoo.

On 2009-09-29, Dan Abel > wrote:

> You type like a texter.

I type like an irc'er with a lot of experience in heavy traffic chat
rooms, which were around LONG before texting cellphones. I try and
type full proper words, but am sometimes guilty of backsliding.

> The MAC OS is written in standard Unix.

MAC OS X is based on unix, not MAC OS. MAC OS X is based on several
variants of unix, including NextStep, Unix 3, FreeBSD, and NetBSD.
There is no such thing as "standard Unix".

nb

On 2009-09-29, Omelet > wrote:

> Sorry, but I've seen this silliness before. Newbies trying to "moderate"
> a world wide usenet list. ;-) I had to learn the hard way about usenet
> dynamics.

Yep. Even I used to bitch about top posting and ppl who don't trim.
Pointless. Now I jes ignore top posters and articles over 50-60 lines
long and I dusted off my score file, KFing google, crossposters, and a
handful of twits. RFC is enjoyable once again.

nb