On 2009-10-13, Gregory Morrow > wrote:

> In many agricultural states - including Iowa and California - pot is THE
> biggest "cash crop". Pretty amazing...

Yeah, but it's still illegal. If they made it legal and taxed it like
alcohol, it would go a long way towards helping turn the economy
around. As it stands now, people are still buying it, but all that
money ...BILLIONS!.... is simply leaving the country.

nb

notbob wrote:

> On 2009-10-13, Gregory Morrow > wrote:
>
>> Didja know that LA has more pot stores than it does Starbucks...
>
> Ophir CO is about to go down the road of govt sanctioned pot farming.
> Nay, govt OWNED/RUN pot farming, to save it's collapsing economy. How
> many other local govts might follow suit? If marijauna is ever going
> to find govt acceptance and legititacy, now looks like a good time.
>
> I no longer indulge, but the continuing criminalization of this
> relatively benign substance is costing more in money and human lives
> than legalizing it ever could.


I don't "imbibe" either, nb, but maybe legalized pot farming could help put
the kibosh on the meth epidemic that is sweeping rural areas...

I still subscribe to my hometown downstate Illannoy newspaper, it used to
full of snoozy nooze about ice cream socials, 4-H prizes, and church
potlucks (the county seat is tiny, about 3500 peeps in a declining
agricultural area). Now it's blaring headlines about meth busts, heroin
stings, new "strains" of meth, etc. The town is getting federal funding to
build a new 200 capacity jail, this in a town of small size! The jail will
be used largely to house "spillover" inmates from neighboring municipalities
that have run out of space trying to jail all the prisoners that have drug
charges...

They nab lots of Mexis using the Interstate 80 corridor to transport drugs,
that's the main East - West "drug corridor" in the nation AFAIK...

In many agricultural states - including Iowa and California - pot is THE
biggest "cash crop". Pretty amazing...


--
Best
Greg

notbob > wrote:

>Ophir CO is about to go down the road of govt sanctioned pot farming.
>Nay, govt OWNED/RUN pot farming, to save it's collapsing economy. How
>many other local govts might follow suit?

Berkeley, California passed an ordinance allowing up to five
medical pot-growing operations in the city, but which exempts them
from the 1% city sales tax. Makes no sense whatsoever. The city
could really use the revenue.

Steve

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:10:12 -0500, David Fetter wrote:

> pavane > wrote:
>>
>> "blake murphy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>| On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:32:37 -0500, David Fetter wrote:
>>| >
>>| > Anybody who can point to an unsubsidized agriculture any time,
>>| > anywhere in all of human history had best chime in with an example
>>| > and its outcome before advocating that. I'd submit that there has
>>| > never been any such a thing.
>>| >
>>| > Cheers,
>>| > David.
>>|
>>| pot farming?
>>|
>>| your pal,
>>| blake
>>
>> ...and moonshine?
>>
>> pavane
>
> Both of those are subsidized by prohibition, which boosts prices,
> encourages a more concentrated product, and rewards ruthlessness and
> lawlessness. I'm not saying it was a good or well-thought-through
> subsidy--quite the opposite--but it's a subsidy.
>
> Cheers,
> David

i would call that an 'unintended consequence' rather than a subsidy.

your pal,
blake

pure kona > wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:32:37 -0500, (David Fetter)
> wrote:
>
>>Anybody who can point to an unsubsidized agriculture any time,
>>anywhere in all of human history had best chime in with an example
>>and its outcome before advocating that. I'd submit that there has
>>never been any such a thing.
>
> Kona Coffee has never been subsidized if I understand your point.

Actually, it was subsidized very directly for over a century, creating
the Hawai'ian crop as it exists today, and benefits to this day from
other kinds subsidies including, but unlikely limited to, price
supports.

http://www.kalaheo.com/history.php

Don't get me wrong. I'm all for subsidizing agriculture, including
your doubtless-delicious Kona coffee.

What I'm against is pretending that we do (or even should) live in
some kind of /laissez-faire/ setup like they've got over in Somalia.

Cheers,
David.
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:22:26 -0500, (David Fetter)
wrote:

>pure kona > wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:32:37 -0500, (David Fetter)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Anybody who can point to an unsubsidized agriculture any time,
>>>anywhere in all of human history had best chime in with an example
>>>and its outcome before advocating that. I'd submit that there has
>>>never been any such a thing.
>>
>> Kona Coffee has never been subsidized if I understand your point.
>
>Actually, it was subsidized very directly for over a century, creating
>the Hawai'ian crop as it exists today, and benefits to this day from
>other kinds subsidies including, but unlikely limited to, price
>supports.
>
>http://www.kalaheo.com/history.php
>
>Don't get me wrong. I'm all for subsidizing agriculture, including
>your doubtless-delicious Kona coffee.
>
>What I'm against is pretending that we do (or even should) live in
>some kind of /laissez-faire/ setup like they've got over in Somalia.
>
>Cheers,
>David.
Could you please pinpoint the place that says "subsidizes'? Kalaheo ,
fyi, is on Kauai which used to be a sugar plantation and with a quick
read--I can't fathom where it says <Kona>.

Mahalo.
Cea