on NPR:

http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe

This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
said for MANY years!)
--
Jean B.

On 2009-10-07, Jean B. > wrote:
> on NPR:
>
> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>
> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
> said for MANY years!)

Damn! ...that burger sure looks good.

nb

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> on NPR:
>
> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>
> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never buy ground
> meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has said for MANY years!)
> --
Not only that but I just don't feel good after eating ground beef.

Jean B. said...

> on NPR:
>
> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>
> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
> said for MANY years!)


I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!

Sorry to those who'll never know.

Andy

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> Jean B. said...
>
>> on NPR:
>>
>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>
>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>> said for MANY years!)
>
>
> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>
> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>
> Andy
>
I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of onion.
That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.
Janet

Janet Bostwick said...

> That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.


Janet,

Right!!! And nobody ever thought of getting sick from it.

Best,

Andy

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Andy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Jean B. said...
>>
>>> on NPR:
>>>
>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>
>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>> said for MANY years!)
>>
>>
>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>
>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>
>> Andy
>>
> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.
> Janet

In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a free
"Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody Mary. Raw
ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.

Now, the health department would probably shut him down.

If all the things that they say are bad for us were REALLY bad for us, we
would have been dead long ago.

Today I am thawing out a 5 pound chub of 80/20 ground chuck and I'll make
meatloaf for tonight and meatballs for the freezer. As I have done all my
life, I'll taste some of the raw mixtures before cooking. If it kills me,
it will be the first time.

George L

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> m...
>>
>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Jean B. said...
>>>
>>>> on NPR:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>>
>>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>>> said for MANY years!)
>>>
>>>
>>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>>
>>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
>> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.
>> Janet
>
> In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a free
> "Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody Mary.
> Raw ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
snip>
> George L
Madison??? What bar? University Ave or elsewhere? (I guess what year is
important also as we only had beer bars)
Janet

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "Andy" > wrote in message ...
>> Jean B. said...
>>
>>> on NPR:
>>>
>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>
>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>> said for MANY years!)
>>
>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>
>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>
>> Andy
>>
> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of onion.
> That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.
> Janet
>
>


You can still do that if you grind up a round steak. :-)

I'll still use ground mystery beef sometimes where it gets cooked well
done, or sometimes I'll use a package out of the freezer that I ground
myself last time I found brisket or chuck on sale real cheap.

If I want a medium-rare burger, I grind it. But I find myself eating
a lot less meat lately, and more beans and cheese.

Bob

"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>>
>>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Jean B. said...
>>>>
>>>>> on NPR:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>>>
>>>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>>>> said for MANY years!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>>>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
>>> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
>>> special.
>>> Janet
>>
>> In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a free
>> "Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody Mary.
>> Raw ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
> snip>
>> George L

> Madison??? What bar? University Ave or elsewhere? (I guess what year is
> important also as we only had beer bars)
> Janet

I went to UW-Oshkosh in the early 70's but I lived in Appleton and the bar
was up the street from me there.

I moved away from WI in 1978 but I still miss the brats and cheese curds.

George L

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:14:43 -0500, "George Leppla" >
wrote:

-->
-->"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
om...
-->>
-->> "Andy" > wrote in message
-->> ...
-->>> Jean B. said...
-->>>
-->>>> on NPR:
-->>>>
-->>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
-->>>>
-->>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
-->>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
-->>>> said for MANY years!)
-->>>
-->>>
-->>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
-->>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
-->>>
-->>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
-->>>
-->>> Andy
-->>>
-->> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
-->> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.
-->> Janet
-->
-->In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a free
-->"Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody Mary. Raw
-->ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
-->
-->Now, the health department would probably shut him down.
-->
-->If all the things that they say are bad for us were REALLY bad for us, we
-->would have been dead long ago.
-->
-->Today I am thawing out a 5 pound chub of 80/20 ground chuck and I'll make
-->meatloaf for tonight and meatballs for the freezer. As I have done all my
-->life, I'll taste some of the raw mixtures before cooking. If it kills me,
-->it will be the first time.
-->
-->George L

Tell you what George, any life insurance you have will be void if you died from
it. This after stating you do this foolishness regularily and posted such into
an open newsgroup.

"< Stu >" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:14:43 -0500, "George Leppla"
> >
> wrote:
>
> -->
> -->"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> om...
> -->>
> -->> "Andy" > wrote in message
> -->> ...
> -->>> Jean B. said...
> -->>>
> -->>>> on NPR:
> -->>>>
> -->>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
> -->>>>
> -->>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
> -->>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
> -->>>> said for MANY years!)
> -->>>
> -->>>
> -->>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
> -->>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
> -->>>
> -->>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
> -->>>
> -->>> Andy
> -->>>
> -->> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
> -->> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
> special.
> -->> Janet
> -->
> -->In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a
> free
> -->"Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody Mary.
> Raw
> -->ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
> -->
> -->Now, the health department would probably shut him down.
> -->
> -->If all the things that they say are bad for us were REALLY bad for us,
> we
> -->would have been dead long ago.
> -->
> -->Today I am thawing out a 5 pound chub of 80/20 ground chuck and I'll
> make
> -->meatloaf for tonight and meatballs for the freezer. As I have done all
> my
> -->life, I'll taste some of the raw mixtures before cooking. If it kills
> me,
> -->it will be the first time.
> -->
> -->George L
>
> Tell you what George, any life insurance you have will be void if you died
> from
> it. This after stating you do this foolishness regularily and posted such
> into
> an open newsgroup.

By Sweet Weeping Heyzoos but you are a jackass, Mr. Pid.

"< Stu >" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:14:43 -0500, "George Leppla"
> >
> wrote:
>
> -->
> -->"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> om...
> -->>
> -->> "Andy" > wrote in message
> -->> ...
> -->>> Jean B. said...
> -->>>
> -->>>> on NPR:
> -->>>>
> -->>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
> -->>>>
> -->>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
> -->>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
> -->>>> said for MANY years!)
> -->>>
> -->>>
> -->>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
> -->>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
> -->>>
> -->>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
> -->>>
> -->>> Andy
> -->>>
> -->> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
> -->> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
> special.
> -->> Janet
> -->
> -->In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a
> free
> -->"Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody Mary.
> Raw
> -->ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
> -->
> -->Now, the health department would probably shut him down.
> -->
> -->If all the things that they say are bad for us were REALLY bad for us,
> we
> -->would have been dead long ago.
> -->
> -->Today I am thawing out a 5 pound chub of 80/20 ground chuck and I'll
> make
> -->meatloaf for tonight and meatballs for the freezer. As I have done all
> my
> -->life, I'll taste some of the raw mixtures before cooking. If it kills
> me,
> -->it will be the first time.
> -->
> -->George L
>
> Tell you what George, any life insurance you have will be void if you died
> from
> it. This after stating you do this foolishness regularily and posted such
> into
> an open newsgroup.


Dang it! I was hoping to scam the insurance companies by collecting for my
own death and dying a rich man. Now I guess I'll have to keep on living.

Now you have ruined my master plan.

George L

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "Andy" > wrote in message ...
>> Jean B. said...
>>
>>> on NPR:
>>>
>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>
>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>> said for MANY years!)
>>
>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>
>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>
>> Andy
>>
> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of onion.
> That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.
> Janet
>
>
I wonder how much we were deluding ourselves back then--or have
practices changed as the meat industry has become ever larger and
ever more divorced from smaller breeding operations?

Boy, what I caught of the program is truly disgusting. It also
called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying
meat and grinding it oneself.

--
Jean B.

zxcvbob wrote:
> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Jean B. said...
>>>
>>>> on NPR:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>>
>>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>>> said for MANY years!)
>>>
>>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>>
>>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
>> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing special.
>> Janet
>>
>
>
> You can still do that if you grind up a round steak. :-)
>
> I'll still use ground mystery beef sometimes where it gets cooked well
> done, or sometimes I'll use a package out of the freezer that I ground
> myself last time I found brisket or chuck on sale real cheap.
>
> If I want a medium-rare burger, I grind it. But I find myself eating a
> lot less meat lately, and more beans and cheese.
>
> Bob

According to this program, the standards for steaks etc. are lower
than those for ground meat, because it is thought that the steaks
will be cooked to a degree that kills off pathogens....

--
Jean B.

Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article >,
> zxcvbob > wrote:
>
>> If I want a medium-rare burger, I grind it. But I find myself eating
>> a lot less meat lately, and more beans and cheese.
>
> For health reasons, taste reasons or cost reasons?

I don't know. Maybe all of the above. Cost is probably the biggest
one; I'm trying to fully-fund my 401(k) and my Roth IRA and a health
spending account while sending a kid to college. There's not much
left for food and gasoline after that -- of course I don't *have* to
fully fund all the accounts. But also Daughter is dabbling with being
a vegetarian, so while she was home for summer I cooked a lot of
vegetarian meals, and they weren't bad :-)

I think vegetarianism is a bit extreme, but most Americans probably
eat too much meat. At least DD is still eating eggs and dairy.


> We eat meatless at least twice a week, but that is for religious
> reasons primarily. We actually eat quite a bit of animal products,
> meat, dairy, eggs, stocks and broths, fats, etc.
>


Bob

Jean B. wrote:
> zxcvbob wrote:
>> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Jean B. said...
>>>>
>>>>> on NPR:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>>>
>>>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>>>> said for MANY years!)
>>>>
>>>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>>>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
>>> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
>>> special.
>>> Janet
>>>
>>
>>
>> You can still do that if you grind up a round steak. :-)
>>
>> I'll still use ground mystery beef sometimes where it gets cooked well
>> done, or sometimes I'll use a package out of the freezer that I ground
>> myself last time I found brisket or chuck on sale real cheap.
>>
>> If I want a medium-rare burger, I grind it. But I find myself eating
>> a lot less meat lately, and more beans and cheese.
>>
>> Bob
>
> According to this program, the standards for steaks etc. are lower than
> those for ground meat, because it is thought that the steaks will be
> cooked to a degree that kills off pathogens....
>


You can wash a steak, or sear it on the outside. (or buy a rump roast
and trim it yourself.)

Bob

We get these chubs of "Mystery Meat"
directrly from the processor.
( apparenbtly chub packaging extends the shelf life )

It has no taste, no smell.... might as well be kangaroo.

You can still buy local ground chuck...at more than double the price.

Personally, I still think it's a government conspiracy
to move people away from beef, and into
more pork and chicken.
Who can afford beef any more ??

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> on NPR:
>
> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>
> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
> said for MANY years!)

I stopped eating ground beef about 30 years ago,
about the same time I stopped eating butter.

If you're only now becoming awake to the crap
you've been eating, it's too late. Your body
is infested with parasitic worms, and you'll
die of Mad Cow Disease. :-)

"George Leppla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "George Leppla" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>>> m...
>>>>
>>>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Jean B. said...
>>>>>
>>>>>> on NPR:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>>>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>>>>> said for MANY years!)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>>>>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
>>>> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
>>>> special.
>>>> Janet
>>>
>>> In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a
>>> free "Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody
>>> Mary. Raw ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
>> snip>
>>> George L
>
>> Madison??? What bar? University Ave or elsewhere? (I guess what year is
>> important also as we only had beer bars)
>> Janet
>
> I went to UW-Oshkosh in the early 70's but I lived in Appleton and the bar
> was up the street from me there.
>
> I moved away from WI in 1978 but I still miss the brats and cheese curds.
>
> George L
I was in Madison in the 60's.
Janet

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
snip
It also
> called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying meat and
> grinding it oneself.
>
> --
> Jean B.

Why is that?
Janet

On 2009-10-07, Mark Thorson > wrote:

> you've been eating, it's too late. Your body
> is infested with parasitic worms, and you'll
> die of Mad Cow Disease. :-)

Judging by your silly anti food rants, you already have.

nb

Janet Bostwick said...

>
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
> snip
> It also
>> called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying meat and
>> grinding it oneself.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> Why is that?
> Janet


I heard it mentioned that steaks only get contaminated on the outside
surfaces and grilling steaks kills that off but, if you grind that same
piece of meat, you are potentially folding any outside contamination into
the grind.

Andy

"Andy" > wrote in message ...
> Janet Bostwick said...
>
>>
>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> snip
>> It also
>>> called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying meat and
>>> grinding it oneself.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean B.
>>
>> Why is that?
>> Janet
>
>
> I heard it mentioned that steaks only get contaminated on the outside
> surfaces and grilling steaks kills that off but, if you grind that same
> piece of meat, you are potentially folding any outside contamination into
> the grind.
>
> Andy

Oh, I see. Then that would be true of any ground meat, no matter how large
the original cut of meat. Bummer
Janet

Janet Bostwick said...

>
> "Andy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Janet Bostwick said...
>>
>>>
>>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> snip
>>> It also
>>>> called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying meat
>>>> and grinding it oneself.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean B.
>>>
>>> Why is that?
>>> Janet
>>
>>
>> I heard it mentioned that steaks only get contaminated on the outside
>> surfaces and grilling steaks kills that off but, if you grind that same
>> piece of meat, you are potentially folding any outside contamination
>> into the grind.
>>
>> Andy
>
> Oh, I see. Then that would be true of any ground meat, no matter how
> large the original cut of meat. Bummer
> Janet


Janet,

That's what I heard.

As populations explode the world over, the agricultural knee-jerk reaction
is to faster supply beef (and all other consumables) to meet the larger
growing demand at any cost. It's a snowballing downward spiral, imho.

Best,

Andy

In article >,
"<RJ>" > wrote:

> Personally, I still think it's a government conspiracy
> to move people away from beef, and into
> more pork and chicken.
> Who can afford beef any more ??

Holy Cow, a kindred spirit! Politically and commercially motivated junk
science moves society. Hard science moves humanity.

leo

"Leonard Blaisdell" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "<RJ>" > wrote:
>
>> Personally, I still think it's a government conspiracy
>> to move people away from beef, and into
>> more pork and chicken.
>> Who can afford beef any more ??
>
> Holy Cow, a kindred spirit! Politically and commercially motivated junk
> science moves society. Hard science moves humanity.
>
I think it's those crafty Chik-fil-et cows.

zxcvbob wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> zxcvbob wrote:
>>> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>>> "Andy" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Jean B. said...
>>>>>
>>>>>> on NPR:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>>>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>>>>> said for MANY years!)
>>>>>
>>>>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
>>>>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices
>>>> of onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
>>>> special.
>>>> Janet
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can still do that if you grind up a round steak. :-)
>>>
>>> I'll still use ground mystery beef sometimes where it gets cooked
>>> well done, or sometimes I'll use a package out of the freezer that I
>>> ground myself last time I found brisket or chuck on sale real cheap.
>>>
>>> If I want a medium-rare burger, I grind it. But I find myself eating
>>> a lot less meat lately, and more beans and cheese.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> According to this program, the standards for steaks etc. are lower
>> than those for ground meat, because it is thought that the steaks will
>> be cooked to a degree that kills off pathogens....
>>
>
>
> You can wash a steak, or sear it on the outside. (or buy a rump roast
> and trim it yourself.)
>
> Bob

I have thought of the searing trick. Of course, I then tell
myself not to puncture the steak in the process!

--
Jean B.

Mark Thorson wrote:
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> on NPR:
>>
>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>
>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>> said for MANY years!)
>
> I stopped eating ground beef about 30 years ago,
> about the same time I stopped eating butter.
>
> If you're only now becoming awake to the crap
> you've been eating, it's too late. Your body
> is infested with parasitic worms, and you'll
> die of Mad Cow Disease. :-)

LOL! And I actually eat very little ground meat. This program is
enough to have that reduce to zero.

--
Jean B.

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
> snip
> It also
>> called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying meat and
>> grinding it oneself.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> Why is that?
> Janet
>
>
Listen to the program! It's disgusting.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>> ...
>> snip
>> It also
>>> called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying meat and
>>> grinding it oneself.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean B.
>>
>> Why is that?
>> Janet
> Listen to the program! It's disgusting.
>
> --
> Jean B.
I have read the recent article in the NYT about ground beef. Since you
questioned the practice of grinding meat for oneself, I thought you would be
able to tell me why that is a problem. I won't be listening to the program.
Janet

"< Stu >" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:14:43 -0500, "George Leppla"
> >
> wrote:
>
> -->
> -->"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
> om...
> -->>
> -->> "Andy" > wrote in message
> -->> ...
> -->>> Jean B. said...
> -->>>
> -->>>> on NPR:
> -->>>>
> -->>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
> -->>>>
> -->>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
> -->>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
> -->>>> said for MANY years!)
> -->>>
> -->>>
> -->>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of the
> -->>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
> -->>>
> -->>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
> -->>>
> -->>> Andy
> -->>>
> -->> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with slices of
> -->> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
> special.
> -->> Janet
> -->
> -->In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away a
> free
> -->"Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody Mary.
> Raw
> -->ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
> -->
> -->Now, the health department would probably shut him down.
> -->
> -->If all the things that they say are bad for us were REALLY bad for us,
> we
> -->would have been dead long ago.
> -->
> -->Today I am thawing out a 5 pound chub of 80/20 ground chuck and I'll
> make
> -->meatloaf for tonight and meatballs for the freezer. As I have done all
> my
> -->life, I'll taste some of the raw mixtures before cooking. If it kills
> me,
> -->it will be the first time.
> -->
> -->George L
>
> Tell you what George, any life insurance you have will be void if you died
> from
> it. This after stating you do this foolishness regularily and posted such
> into
> an open newsgroup.


Well, I woke up this morning... still alive. The meatloaf was delicious and
the meatballs are in the freezer. Both mixtures tasted pretty good raw.

Once again I have tip-toed past the Grim Reaper and lived to tell about it.

Tonight we are going out for dinner and I plan to have crab legs and very
rare Prime Rib. If anyone thinks that either of these things are
potentially fatal for me, please keep it to yourself. <vbg>

George L <---- living on the edge of danger

George Leppla wrote:
>
> "< Stu >" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:14:43 -0500, "George Leppla"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> -->
>> -->"Janet Bostwick" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> -->>
>> -->> "Andy" > wrote in message
>> -->> ...
>> -->>> Jean B. said...
>> -->>>
>> -->>>> on NPR:
>> -->>>>
>> -->>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>> -->>>>
>> -->>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>> -->>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>> -->>>> said for MANY years!)
>> -->>>
>> -->>>
>> -->>> I still remember when we could eat fresh ground hamburger out of
>> the
>> -->>> supermarket package and it actually smelled AND tasted great!
>> -->>>
>> -->>> Sorry to those who'll never know.
>> -->>>
>> -->>> Andy
>> -->>>
>> -->> I miss that. . . a sandwich of raw ground round on rye with
>> slices of
>> -->> onion. That was an everyday thing when I was growing up, nothing
>> special.
>> -->> Janet
>> -->
>> -->In Wisconsin during my college days there was a bar that gave away
>> a free
>> -->"Cannibal Sandwich" every Saturday morning if you bought a Bloody
>> Mary. Raw
>> -->ground beef on rye, topped with a raw egg, onions and capers.
>> -->
>> -->Now, the health department would probably shut him down.
>> -->
>> -->If all the things that they say are bad for us were REALLY bad for
>> us, we
>> -->would have been dead long ago.
>> -->
>> -->Today I am thawing out a 5 pound chub of 80/20 ground chuck and
>> I'll make
>> -->meatloaf for tonight and meatballs for the freezer. As I have done
>> all my
>> -->life, I'll taste some of the raw mixtures before cooking. If it
>> kills me,
>> -->it will be the first time.
>> -->
>> -->George L
>>
>> Tell you what George, any life insurance you have will be void if you
>> died from
>> it. This after stating you do this foolishness regularily and posted
>> such into
>> an open newsgroup.
>
>
> Well, I woke up this morning... still alive. The meatloaf was delicious
> and the meatballs are in the freezer. Both mixtures tasted pretty good
> raw.
>
> Once again I have tip-toed past the Grim Reaper and lived to tell about it.
>
> Tonight we are going out for dinner and I plan to have crab legs and
> very rare Prime Rib. If anyone thinks that either of these things are
> potentially fatal for me, please keep it to yourself. <vbg>
>
> George L <---- living on the edge of danger

If you can use a third side-kick, and you are buying, can I come ? :-)

I lovs me some prime rib almost mooing.

Bob

Bob Muncie said...

> George Leppla wrote:
>>
>> Tonight we are going out for dinner and I plan to have crab legs and
>> very rare Prime Rib. If anyone thinks that either of these things are
>> potentially fatal for me, please keep it to yourself. <vbg>
>>
>> George L <---- living on the edge of danger
>
> If you can use a third side-kick, and you are buying, can I come ? :-)
>
> I lovs me some prime rib almost mooing.
>
> Bob


I've always been a fan of the prime rib end cut!!! Fatty and charred crispy
goodness!!!

Andy

Andy wrote:
> Bob Muncie said...
>
>> George Leppla wrote:
>>> Tonight we are going out for dinner and I plan to have crab legs and
>>> very rare Prime Rib. If anyone thinks that either of these things are
>>> potentially fatal for me, please keep it to yourself. <vbg>
>>>
>>> George L <---- living on the edge of danger
>> If you can use a third side-kick, and you are buying, can I come ? :-)
>>
>> I lovs me some prime rib almost mooing.
>>
>> Bob
>
>
> I've always been a fan of the prime rib end cut!!! Fatty and charred crispy
> goodness!!!
>
> Andy
>
>

I have never spoken of this... but I often trim the fat off so I can
have it all to myself at some later point in time :-), and yes, I like
it charred on the outside.

Bob

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:38:27 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:

> "Jean B." wrote:
>>
>> on NPR:
>>
>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>
>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>> said for MANY years!)
>
> I stopped eating ground beef about 30 years ago,
> about the same time I stopped eating butter.
>

yum, yum! no butter and no american beef! the key to a long, happy life.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:38:27 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>>
>>> on NPR:
>>>
>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>
>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>> said for MANY years!)
>>
>> I stopped eating ground beef about 30 years ago,
>> about the same time I stopped eating butter.
>>
>
> yum, yum! no butter and no american beef! the key to a long, happy
> life.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Well, a long one, anyhow. Life without butter? Gasp!

Felice

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in message
> ...
>> Janet Bostwick wrote:
>>> "Jean B." > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> snip
>>> It also
>>>> called into question (at the very least) the practice of buying meat and
>>>> grinding it oneself.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean B.
>>> Why is that?
>>> Janet
>> Listen to the program! It's disgusting.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
> I have read the recent article in the NYT about ground beef. Since you
> questioned the practice of grinding meat for oneself, I thought you would be
> able to tell me why that is a problem. I won't be listening to the program.
> Janet
>
>
I think the article is related. I did speak of the problem with
grinding your own meat. The meat sold for steaks etc. apparently
has lower standards as far as pathogens go, on the theory that
they will be killed by thorough cooking. Thus, you could very
well be grinding surface bacteria etc. into your meat. That being
said, since I don't think we are all going to give up totally on
ground meat, it is up to us to decide what the most acceptable
approach(es) might be.

--
Jean B.

blake murphy wrote:
> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:38:27 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
>
>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>> on NPR:
>>>
>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>
>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>> said for MANY years!)
>> I stopped eating ground beef about 30 years ago,
>> about the same time I stopped eating butter.
>>
>
> yum, yum! no butter and no american beef! the key to a long, happy life.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I not only use butter, but now I have found lard!

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 13:38:27 -0700, Mark Thorson wrote:
>>
>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>>> on NPR:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.onpointradio.org/2009/10/...r-still-unsafe
>>>>
>>>> This will also be archived for later listening. You will never
>>>> buy ground meat again. (Yes, I am thinking of what Sheldon has
>>>> said for MANY years!)
>>> I stopped eating ground beef about 30 years ago,
>>> about the same time I stopped eating butter.
>>>
>>
>> yum, yum! no butter and no american beef! the key to a long,
>> happy life. your pal,
>> blake
>
> I not only use butter, but now I have found lard!

Good for you, Jean))) good stuff eh?