On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:56:10 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> 1 and 1/2 hours sleep last night... <sigh>
>> >
>> > honestly? i would get some pain medication from your doctor, maybe even a
>> > dreaded narcotic. continue physical therapy if you want, but it seems to
>> > me you're cutting off a whole branch of entirely reasonable medicine.
>>
>> It is hard to sleep with serious pain. When I broke my collar bone I was
>> prescribed oxycontin but they were really cheap about it. I would take
>> one at bed time and that would help me to sleep on my back, the only
>> position that did not hurt and that would put me out for 3-4 hours, then
>> I would wake up in pain and take another one. With my more recent
>> fracture (rib) the doctor said I would need something for pain relief to
>> help me sleep. He suggested extra strength Tylenol and Ibuprophen during
>> the day and Ibuprophen and Tylenol 3 at bed time. That happened at the
>> end of August. It is just the last week or so that I have been sleeping
>> through the night, and only the last two nights without any pain medication.
>
>Thanks for understanding Dave.

Tylenol... what sissy pain... for real pain take two Hydrocodone and a
triple vodka with a splash of pink grapefruit juice every four hours.

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:55:06 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>>> <rolls eyes> So where do YOU suggest I seek help? ;-)
>>>
>>> 1 and 1/2 hours sleep last night... <sigh>
>>
>> honestly? i would get some pain medication from your doctor, maybe even a
>> dreaded narcotic. continue physical therapy if you want, but it seems to
>> me you're cutting off a whole branch of entirely reasonable medicine.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> He prescribed Celebrex. Works about as well as Ibuprofen and isn't as
> safe.
>
> I do NOT want to take narcotics... It would interfere with my ability to
> work for a living.
>

i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would
interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't affect
you too much the next day.

your pal,
blake

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:42:17 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 1 and 1/2 hours sleep last night... <sigh>
>>
>> honestly? i would get some pain medication from your doctor, maybe even a
>> dreaded narcotic. continue physical therapy if you want, but it seems to
>> me you're cutting off a whole branch of entirely reasonable medicine.
>
> It is hard to sleep with serious pain. When I broke my collar bone I was
> prescribed oxycontin but they were really cheap about it. I would take
> one at bed time and that would help me to sleep on my back, the only
> position that did not hurt and that would put me out for 3-4 hours, then
> I would wake up in pain and take another one. With my more recent
> fracture (rib) the doctor said I would need something for pain relief to
> help me sleep. He suggested extra strength Tylenol and Ibuprophen during
> the day and Ibuprophen and Tylenol 3 at bed time. That happened at the
> end of August. It is just the last week or so that I have been sleeping
> through the night, and only the last two nights without any pain medication.

the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.

your pal,
blake

blake murphy wrote:
>
>>> honestly? i would get some pain medication from your doctor, maybe even a
>>> dreaded narcotic. continue physical therapy if you want, but it seems to
>>> me you're cutting off a whole branch of entirely reasonable medicine.
>> It is hard to sleep with serious pain. When I broke my collar bone I was
>> prescribed oxycontin but they were really cheap about it. I would take
>> one at bed time and that would help me to sleep on my back, the only
>> position that did not hurt and that would put me out for 3-4 hours, then
>> I would wake up in pain and take another one. With my more recent
>> fracture (rib) the doctor said I would need something for pain relief to
>> help me sleep. He suggested extra strength Tylenol and Ibuprophen during
>> the day and Ibuprophen and Tylenol 3 at bed time. That happened at the
>> end of August. It is just the last week or so that I have been sleeping
>> through the night, and only the last two nights without any pain medication.
>
> the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.


Some of them needed to be spooked because they were too easily swayed to
prescribe narcotics to people who didn't really need them, or to those
who were more interested in getting the narcotics for recreational
purposes or to re-sell. My doctor was not allowed to prescribe them for
a while. From what I understand he got in trouble for over-medicating
his sister when she was dying from cancer.

When I broke my collar bone I has a prescription for oxycontin at the
hospital and had to go to my doctor within a week to get more. He wrote
a prescription for 30 and I had to go back week or so after that. He
asked if I had any left and when I said that I had two he said that I
obviously was not abusing them so he gave me a prescription for 60 more.

When I had the first one filled at the 24 hour pharmacy across from the
hospital the pharmacist gave be a stern warning about the medication.
The doctor had written to take 1-2 every four hours "as needed". The
pharmacist told me never to take more than one at a time. If I was still
in pain I could take one an hour later.

I usually get pretty good results with heavy duty pain killers, possible
because I rarely use any unless I am hurting, not even aspirin or
Tylenol. The oxycontin sure helped with the collar bone. The rib was a
lot less painful and I got by with Tylenol 3 in combo with Ibuprophen,
just oen of each I night. The prescription was for 30 and I have 8 or 9
left because I only took them for three weeks. Since then I used only
the non-prescription stuff.

Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.
>
>
> Some of them needed to be spooked because they were too easily swayed to
> prescribe narcotics to people who didn't really need them, or to those
> who were more interested in getting the narcotics for recreational
> purposes or to re-sell. My doctor was not allowed to prescribe them for
> a while. From what I understand he got in trouble for over-medicating
> his sister when she was dying from cancer.
>



Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.

gloria p

gloria.p wrote:

>
> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>
> gloria p

And yet others complain when they're "snowed" by narcotics. It seems to
me that a lot of doctors are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

gloria.p wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.
>>
>>
>> Some of them needed to be spooked because they were too easily swayed
>> to prescribe narcotics to people who didn't really need them, or to
>> those who were more interested in getting the narcotics for
>> recreational purposes or to re-sell. My doctor was not allowed to
>> prescribe them for a while. From what I understand he got in trouble
>> for over-medicating his sister when she was dying from cancer.
>>
>
>
>
> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.

We have a neighbour who works at a health centre with a palliative care
ward. She once told me that when terminal cancer patients come in the
first thing they do is take them off all their pain medication. When I
asked why they would do that she said that the drugs kill them. So....
what's the problem. They are dying and will be in less pain for a
shorter period of time before the inevitable outcome. When my father was
in palliative care we kept pumping up his morphine. He may have died a
little sooner but he was in a lot less pain.

Dave Smith wrote:
> gloria.p wrote:

>>
>> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
>> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>
> We have a neighbour who works at a health centre with a palliative care
> ward. She once told me that when terminal cancer patients come in the
> first thing they do is take them off all their pain medication. When I
> asked why they would do that she said that the drugs kill them. So....
> what's the problem. They are dying and will be in less pain for a
> shorter period of time before the inevitable outcome. When my father was
> in palliative care we kept pumping up his morphine. He may have died a
> little sooner but he was in a lot less pain.
>


After seeing my mother die in extreme cancer pain, I'd want the
treatment you describe if I were in that position, Dave.

gloria p

Dave Smith wrote:
> gloria.p wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of them needed to be spooked because they were too easily swayed
>>> to prescribe narcotics to people who didn't really need them, or to
>>> those who were more interested in getting the narcotics for
>>> recreational purposes or to re-sell. My doctor was not allowed to
>>> prescribe them for a while. From what I understand he got in trouble
>>> for over-medicating his sister when she was dying from cancer.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
>> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>
> We have a neighbour who works at a health centre with a palliative care
> ward. She once told me that when terminal cancer patients come in the
> first thing they do is take them off all their pain medication. When I
> asked why they would do that she said that the drugs kill them. So....
> what's the problem. They are dying and will be in less pain for a
> shorter period of time before the inevitable outcome. When my father was
> in palliative care we kept pumping up his morphine. He may have died a
> little sooner but he was in a lot less pain.
>
Absolutely! Same happened with my mother. At that point, death
was the best possible outcome anyway.

--
Jean B.

gloria.p wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> gloria.p wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
>>> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>>
>> We have a neighbour who works at a health centre with a palliative
>> care ward. She once told me that when terminal cancer patients come in
>> the first thing they do is take them off all their pain medication.
>> When I asked why they would do that she said that the drugs kill them.
>> So.... what's the problem. They are dying and will be in less pain for
>> a shorter period of time before the inevitable outcome. When my father
>> was in palliative care we kept pumping up his morphine. He may have
>> died a little sooner but he was in a lot less pain.
>>
>
>
> After seeing my mother die in extreme cancer pain, I'd want the
> treatment you describe if I were in that position, Dave.
>
> gloria p

I just don't see why that should happen, Gloria. Thank goodness,
when my mother's main concern was the pain, that was dealt with.
Yes, she wasn't conscious at the end, and yes, she may have died
earlier, but it is inhumane to undertreat that pain.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. wrote:
> gloria.p wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> gloria.p wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
>>>> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>>>
>>> We have a neighbour who works at a health centre with a palliative
>>> care ward. She once told me that when terminal cancer patients come
>>> in the first thing they do is take them off all their pain
>>> medication. When I asked why they would do that she said that the
>>> drugs kill them. So.... what's the problem. They are dying and will
>>> be in less pain for a shorter period of time before the inevitable
>>> outcome. When my father was in palliative care we kept pumping up his
>>> morphine. He may have died a little sooner but he was in a lot less
>>> pain.
>>>
>>
>>
>> After seeing my mother die in extreme cancer pain, I'd want the
>> treatment you describe if I were in that position, Dave.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> I just don't see why that should happen, Gloria. Thank goodness, when
> my mother's main concern was the pain, that was dealt with. Yes, she
> wasn't conscious at the end, and yes, she may have died earlier, but it
> is inhumane to undertreat that pain.


My mom's struggle was 38 years ago. I was going to write about
it but it's not something I want to share with the entire world.

gloria p

gloria.p wrote:
> Jean B. wrote:
>> gloria.p wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> gloria.p wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
>>>>> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>>>>
>>>> We have a neighbour who works at a health centre with a palliative
>>>> care ward. She once told me that when terminal cancer patients come
>>>> in the first thing they do is take them off all their pain
>>>> medication. When I asked why they would do that she said that the
>>>> drugs kill them. So.... what's the problem. They are dying and will
>>>> be in less pain for a shorter period of time before the inevitable
>>>> outcome. When my father was in palliative care we kept pumping up
>>>> his morphine. He may have died a little sooner but he was in a lot
>>>> less pain.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After seeing my mother die in extreme cancer pain, I'd want the
>>> treatment you describe if I were in that position, Dave.
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>
>> I just don't see why that should happen, Gloria. Thank goodness, when
>> my mother's main concern was the pain, that was dealt with. Yes, she
>> wasn't conscious at the end, and yes, she may have died earlier, but
>> it is inhumane to undertreat that pain.
>
>
> My mom's struggle was 38 years ago. I was going to write about it but
> it's not something I want to share with the entire world.
>
> gloria p

I'm sure. But this still goes on. We were just lucky. (This
happened 15 years ago, in our case.)

--
Jean B.

brooklyn1 wrote:


> Tylenol... what sissy pain... for real pain take two Hydrocodone and a
> triple vodka with a splash of pink grapefruit juice every four hours.

No. Sissy is having to do that for a broken rib. I could handle it with
Tylenol. At least we have some insight into what happened to your brain.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:01:02 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>> honestly? i would get some pain medication from your doctor, maybe even a
>>>> dreaded narcotic. continue physical therapy if you want, but it seems to
>>>> me you're cutting off a whole branch of entirely reasonable medicine.
>>> It is hard to sleep with serious pain. When I broke my collar bone I was
>>> prescribed oxycontin but they were really cheap about it. I would take
>>> one at bed time and that would help me to sleep on my back, the only
>>> position that did not hurt and that would put me out for 3-4 hours, then
>>> I would wake up in pain and take another one. With my more recent
>>> fracture (rib) the doctor said I would need something for pain relief to
>>> help me sleep. He suggested extra strength Tylenol and Ibuprophen during
>>> the day and Ibuprophen and Tylenol 3 at bed time. That happened at the
>>> end of August. It is just the last week or so that I have been sleeping
>>> through the night, and only the last two nights without any pain medication.
>>
>> the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.
>
> Some of them needed to be spooked because they were too easily swayed to
> prescribe narcotics to people who didn't really need them, or to those
> who were more interested in getting the narcotics for recreational
> purposes or to re-sell. My doctor was not allowed to prescribe them for
> a while. From what I understand he got in trouble for over-medicating
> his sister when she was dying from cancer.
>

this is what i mean by 'a disgrace.' the woman is dying from cancer and
the DEA is concerned that she is 'abusing' drugs? ohnoes, she might become
an addict!!!

it's completely ****ed up.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:05:39 -0700, gloria.p wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.
>>
>> Some of them needed to be spooked because they were too easily swayed to
>> prescribe narcotics to people who didn't really need them, or to those
>> who were more interested in getting the narcotics for recreational
>> purposes or to re-sell. My doctor was not allowed to prescribe them for
>> a while. From what I understand he got in trouble for over-medicating
>> his sister when she was dying from cancer.
>>
>
> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>
> gloria p

as i've said before, people can be amazingly pain-tolerant of other
people's pain.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:13:04 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> gloria.p wrote:
>
>>
>> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
>> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> And yet others complain when they're "snowed" by narcotics. It seems to
> me that a lot of doctors are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

some people would prefer to be in pain than be 'foggy.' still, i don't
think it should be up to the government to make that decision for them.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:28:21 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:01:02 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>> the DEA has seriously spooked doctors. i think it's a disgrace.
>>
>> Some of them needed to be spooked because they were too easily swayed to
>> prescribe narcotics to people who didn't really need them, or to those
>> who were more interested in getting the narcotics for recreational
>> purposes or to re-sell. My doctor was not allowed to prescribe them for
>> a while. From what I understand he got in trouble for over-medicating
>> his sister when she was dying from cancer.
>>
>
>this is what i mean by 'a disgrace.' the woman is dying from cancer and
>the DEA is concerned that she is 'abusing' drugs? ohnoes, she might become
>an addict!!!
>
>it's completely ****ed up.
>
That's why I like Hospice. They want the patient to be comfortable
and addicting the dying isn't an issue.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:31:59 -0500, blake murphy
> wrote:

>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:13:04 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>
>> gloria.p wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, the DEA has to protect those terminal cancer patients from
>>> becoming addicted. What a travesty and a horrible joke.
>>>
>>> gloria p
>>
>> And yet others complain when they're "snowed" by narcotics. It seems to
>> me that a lot of doctors are damned if they do, damned if they don't.
>
>some people would prefer to be in pain than be 'foggy.' still, i don't
>think it should be up to the government to make that decision for them.
>

Foggy vs. pain is where a good dialog with the doctor is crucial.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
sf > wrote:


> That's why I like Hospice. They want the patient to be comfortable
> and addicting the dying isn't an issue.

But a doctor still has to write the prescription, and their license is
on the line.

My HMO (same as yours, as I remember) controls the hard drugs pretty
carefully. I believe that the PCP (primary care physician) has limits,
and after that, it's off to the specialist.

There's some sad stories out there, too. I talked with a young lady
this week. Her uncle had a prescription for OxyContin, which I
understand is much more dangerous than, but similar to, heroin. He
didn't like them, so he gave them to her. After he got her addicted,
then he got creepy, demanding favors from her for the drugs. This went
on for a couple of years. Why didn't his doctor catch on? The drug was
for a legimate injury, but wasn't being used by the injured person.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

sf wrote:

>>
> That's why I like Hospice. They want the patient to be comfortable
> and addicting the dying isn't an issue.
>


Yes, but so many of the Older Generation really, really want to
die at home and the home-based hospice services aren't as liberal
with drugs in my experience. YMMV, of course.

gloria p

gloria.p wrote:

>
> Yes, but so many of the Older Generation really, really want to die at
> home and the home-based hospice services aren't as liberal
> with drugs in my experience. YMMV, of course.
>
> gloria p

Yes, they should be (and have always been so in my experience).
Times have changed greatly over the past 10-20 years in understanding of
pain control, especially with cancer patients. And the drugs at our
disposal have come a long way in that time also.
The ideal situation is that the patient is enrolled in hospice as soon
as the feasible and allow the hospice protocols to be instituted.
(which is rare, sadly as too many wait until until near the very end and
they don't benefit as much as they could)

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:39:48 -0700, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>Yes, but so many of the Older Generation really, really want to
>die at home and the home-based hospice services aren't as liberal
>with drugs in my experience. YMMV, of course.

You know, now that I think of it... my experience with Hospice was in
Oregon. Oregon has a very different attitude toward dying, so that
must be the difference. I extrapolated it to all states. Sorry to
all.

Note to self, move to Oregon when terminal.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:43:25 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> That's why I like Hospice. They want the patient to be comfortable
>> and addicting the dying isn't an issue.
>
> But a doctor still has to write the prescription, and their license is
> on the line.
>
> My HMO (same as yours, as I remember) controls the hard drugs pretty
> carefully. I believe that the PCP (primary care physician) has limits,
> and after that, it's off to the specialist.
>
> There's some sad stories out there, too. I talked with a young lady
> this week. Her uncle had a prescription for OxyContin, which I
> understand is much more dangerous than, but similar to, heroin. He
> didn't like them, so he gave them to her. After he got her addicted,
> then he got creepy, demanding favors from her for the drugs. This went
> on for a couple of years. Why didn't his doctor catch on? The drug was
> for a legimate injury, but wasn't being used by the injured person.

that's as may be, and a sad story, but i don't think it's a good reason to
deny drugs to those who need them.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 20:44:33 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:55:06 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> <rolls eyes> So where do YOU suggest I seek help? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 and 1/2 hours sleep last night... <sigh>
>>>>
>>>> honestly? i would get some pain medication from your doctor, maybe even a
>>>> dreaded narcotic. continue physical therapy if you want, but it seems to
>>>> me you're cutting off a whole branch of entirely reasonable medicine.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> He prescribed Celebrex. Works about as well as Ibuprofen and isn't as
>>> safe.
>>>
>>> I do NOT want to take narcotics... It would interfere with my ability to
>>> work for a living.
>>>
>>
>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would
>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't affect
>> you too much the next day.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.

fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> > There's some sad stories out there, too. I talked with a young lady
> > this week. Her uncle had a prescription for OxyContin, which I
> > understand is much more dangerous than, but similar to, heroin. He
> > didn't like them, so he gave them to her. After he got her addicted,
> > then he got creepy, demanding favors from her for the drugs. This went
> > on for a couple of years. Why didn't his doctor catch on? The drug was
> > for a legimate injury, but wasn't being used by the injured person.
>
> that's as may be, and a sad story, but i don't think it's a good reason to
> deny drugs to those who need them.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Indeed. It's not fair to punish those with a legitimate need for the
actions of a few ass holes.
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> >> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would
> >> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't affect
> >> you too much the next day.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
>
> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I
won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to
see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little
research...

Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.

3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2
hours sleep. :-)
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In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:43:25 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> > There's some sad stories out there, too. I talked with a young lady
> > this week. Her uncle had a prescription for OxyContin, which I
> > understand is much more dangerous than, but similar to, heroin. He
> > didn't like them, so he gave them to her. After he got her addicted,
> > then he got creepy, demanding favors from her for the drugs. This went
> > on for a couple of years. Why didn't his doctor catch on? The drug was
> > for a legimate injury, but wasn't being used by the injured person.
>
> that's as may be, and a sad story, but i don't think it's a good reason to
> deny drugs to those who need them.

Agreed. I don't have a solution, just mentioning a problem. I
understand that the street value of a day's dose for a serious OxyContin
addict is US$500. Those who can't afford that, take the "poor man's
OC", heroin.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
>
>
> Agreed. I don't have a solution, just mentioning a problem. I
> understand that the street value of a day's dose for a serious OxyContin
> addict is US$500. Those who can't afford that, take the "poor man's
> OC", heroin.
>
When I was taking oxycontin about 7 years ago I was told that the pills
were worth $20 apiece on the street. IIRC, it cost me $15 for 60 pills.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:42 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would
>>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't affect
>>>> you too much the next day.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
>>
>> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I
> won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to
> see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little
> research...
>
> Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
>
> 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2
> hours sleep. :-)

i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five
melatonins might not be necessary.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:38:36 -0500, Dave Smith wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:
>>
>>
>> Agreed. I don't have a solution, just mentioning a problem. I
>> understand that the street value of a day's dose for a serious OxyContin
>> addict is US$500. Those who can't afford that, take the "poor man's
>> OC", heroin.
>>
> When I was taking oxycontin about 7 years ago I was told that the pills
> were worth $20 apiece on the street. IIRC, it cost me $15 for 60 pills.

people *do* like to get high, don't they? too bad that after a point, they
need it to 'get straight.'

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:42 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would
> >>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't
> >>>> affect
> >>>> you too much the next day.
> >>>>
> >>>> your pal,
> >>>> blake
> >>>
> >>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
> >>
> >> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I
> > won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to
> > see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little
> > research...
> >
> > Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
> >
> > 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2
> > hours sleep. :-)
>
> i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five
> melatonins might not be necessary.
>
> your pal,
> blake

Well, I have had an offer from a relative for Oxycontin leftovers... <g>
Honestly tho', I'll probably call my primary care and discuss it with
her, AFTER I talk to my pharmacist for recommendations. Dr. R. will give
me nearly anything I ask for as she knows I'm not a drug abuser. Just
the opposite in fact.

For the record, I stopped and called the Pharmacy in the middle of
typing this post and the recommendation was Tramadol. I'm paging my
Primary care doc now...

I need to get some sleep.
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:

> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:42 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> blake murphy > wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would
>>>>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't
>>>>>> affect
>>>>>> you too much the next day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> your pal,
>>>>>> blake
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the doctor.
>>>>
>>>> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>>
>>> Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I
>>> won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to
>>> see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little
>>> research...
>>>
>>> Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
>>>
>>> 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2
>>> hours sleep. :-)
>>
>> i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five
>> melatonins might not be necessary.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> Well, I have had an offer from a relative for Oxycontin leftovers... <g>
> Honestly tho', I'll probably call my primary care and discuss it with
> her, AFTER I talk to my pharmacist for recommendations. Dr. R. will give
> me nearly anything I ask for as she knows I'm not a drug abuser. Just
> the opposite in fact.
>
> For the record, I stopped and called the Pharmacy in the middle of
> typing this post and the recommendation was Tramadol. I'm paging my
> Primary care doc now...
>
> I need to get some sleep.

well, some by-god dope would help with that.

i hope you find something that works for you.

your pal,
blake

In article >,
blake murphy > wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:46:42 -0600, Omelet wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> blake murphy > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>> i would think only being able to sleep for an hour-and-a-half would
> >>>>>> interfere also. a small dose of something heavy at night shouldn't
> >>>>>> affect
> >>>>>> you too much the next day.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> your pal,
> >>>>>> blake
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm considering it, but I'll consult my Pharmacist first. Not the
> >>>>> doctor.
> >>>>
> >>>> fine. all i'm saying is don't rule it out.
> >>>>
> >>>> your pal,
> >>>> blake
> >>>
> >>> Now that I know why I hurt, and it's fixable only by surgery (which I
> >>> won't be able to schedule until at least February), well, I'll have to
> >>> see how this most recent steroid shot is going to work, then do a little
> >>> research...
> >>>
> >>> Real pain like this gets on your nerves after awhile.
> >>>
> >>> 3 Valerian extract tablets and 5 melatonins last night got me 4 1/2
> >>> hours sleep. :-)
> >>
> >> i think if you deal with the pain a little more directly, the five
> >> melatonins might not be necessary.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >
> > Well, I have had an offer from a relative for Oxycontin leftovers... <g>
> > Honestly tho', I'll probably call my primary care and discuss it with
> > her, AFTER I talk to my pharmacist for recommendations. Dr. R. will give
> > me nearly anything I ask for as she knows I'm not a drug abuser. Just
> > the opposite in fact.
> >
> > For the record, I stopped and called the Pharmacy in the middle of
> > typing this post and the recommendation was Tramadol. I'm paging my
> > Primary care doc now...
> >
> > I need to get some sleep.
>
> well, some by-god dope would help with that.
>
> i hope you find something that works for you.
>
> your pal,
> blake

I got 3 solid hours last night so am feeling a little better. 2 of them
have really taken the edge off. ;-)
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Omelet wrote:
> In article >,
> blake murphy > wrote:
>
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>>
>> well, some by-god dope would help with that.
>>
>> i hope you find something that works for you.
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>>
>
> I got 3 solid hours last night so am feeling a little better. 2 of them
> have really taken the edge off. ;-)
>

Hopefully you can begin getting more sleep, the right pain medication
could help. Going without sleep can just make you miserable, it is
almost as dangerous as driving while drinking.


BTW, if you have any leftover medication, consider donating them to your
doctor or pharmacist. They are now calling this drug recycling. Here
in LA, drugs must be sealed in unopened tamper-proof packaging and
either individually packaged or packaged in unit-dose packaging. No
narcotics are accepted. Interfaith takes ours, they have a pharmacist
at their clinic.


Becca

In article >,
Becca > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > blake murphy > wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:28:12 -0600, Omelet wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> well, some by-god dope would help with that.
> >>
> >> i hope you find something that works for you.
> >>
> >> your pal,
> >> blake
> >>
> >
> > I got 3 solid hours last night so am feeling a little better. 2 of them
> > have really taken the edge off. ;-)
> >
>
> Hopefully you can begin getting more sleep, the right pain medication
> could help. Going without sleep can just make you miserable, it is
> almost as dangerous as driving while drinking.

I know. <g> I took one more Tramadol 6 hours after the last one (50mg)
and got several hours sleep this morning. Gods knows I needed it! I
won't take anymore now until I'm ready to go back to sleep later this
evening.

>
>
> BTW, if you have any leftover medication, consider donating them to your
> doctor or pharmacist. They are now calling this drug recycling. Here
> in LA, drugs must be sealed in unopened tamper-proof packaging and
> either individually packaged or packaged in unit-dose packaging. No
> narcotics are accepted. Interfaith takes ours, they have a pharmacist
> at their clinic.
>
>
> Becca

That is a cool idea. :-) But, considering the fact that I don't plan on
having surgery until sometime in February, I've a feeling I'm going to
need what I have for awhile yet. But only at night. My doc was generous
with the refills.

Tramadol carries a heavy danger of addiction and nasty withdrawl, but it
is working. I don't really need pain control during the day as it only
really hurts if I move wrong. The problem was trying to sleep as laying
down puts pressure on the shoulders no matter what position you try to
sleep in, and that hurts.

I think if I only take one dose per day to sleep, I should be okay. The
does is 50mg and the max per day is 300. I don't see any reason to take
that much.
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Omelet wrote:
> Tramadol carries a heavy danger of addiction and nasty withdrawl, but it
> is working. I don't really need pain control during the day as it only
> really hurts if I move wrong. The problem was trying to sleep as laying
> down puts pressure on the shoulders no matter what position you try to
> sleep in, and that hurts.
>
> I think if I only take one dose per day to sleep, I should be okay. The
> does is 50mg and the max per day is 300. I don't see any reason to take
> that much.
>

Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move
wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute
and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I
hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol


Becca

In article >,
Becca > wrote:

> Omelet wrote:
> > Tramadol carries a heavy danger of addiction and nasty withdrawl, but it
> > is working. I don't really need pain control during the day as it only
> > really hurts if I move wrong. The problem was trying to sleep as laying
> > down puts pressure on the shoulders no matter what position you try to
> > sleep in, and that hurts.
> >
> > I think if I only take one dose per day to sleep, I should be okay. The
> > does is 50mg and the max per day is 300. I don't see any reason to take
> > that much.
> >
>
> Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move
> wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute
> and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I
> hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol
>
>
> Becca

Do you know what is wrong with it? Turns out I have a full thickness
tear of the Supraspinatus tendon and it's retracted. The only way to fix
it is surgery. It's throwing the function of the other rotator cuff
muscles out of balance.

I'm not hurting very bad today so I'm going to skip the Tramadol when I
go to sleep here shortly. :-) Don't want to take it if I don't need it.
I had an ART treatment this morning so I think that's why it's feeling
better. Dr. Miller is ruthless, and very good at what he does. Ashley
the physical therapist also had me put in a good shoulder workout.

I'm still waiting to hear back from the Ortho' and possibly tentatively
set a surgery date.
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Becca wrote:

> Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move
> wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute
> and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I
> hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol


I have hurt the rotator cuff in both shoulders, thankfully at different
times many years apart. It was strange because I could pickup the arm on
the injured side and move it around, but to try to move it on its own or
to drop it... wow!! Incredible pain. Luckily, the initial painful part
of the injury was short lived and within a few days the pain was much
less severe, but it took a long time to recover completely. When I broke
my collar bone the pain ranked right up there with the rotator cuff, and
it hurt like hell for close to two months.

In article >,
Dave Smith > wrote:

> Becca wrote:
>
> > Several years ago, I hurt my rotator cuff, but I am fine unless I move
> > wrong, such as try to reach too high for something. The pain is acute
> > and it is simply unforgiving. Once the pain goes away I am fine, and I
> > hope to avoid making the same mistake twice. lol
>
>
> I have hurt the rotator cuff in both shoulders, thankfully at different
> times many years apart. It was strange because I could pickup the arm on
> the injured side and move it around, but to try to move it on its own or
> to drop it... wow!! Incredible pain. Luckily, the initial painful part
> of the injury was short lived and within a few days the pain was much
> less severe, but it took a long time to recover completely. When I broke
> my collar bone the pain ranked right up there with the rotator cuff, and
> it hurt like hell for close to two months.

I literally feel your pain Dave. <g>
I'm glad you got better! This has been steadily worsening for months now
which is why I finally gave in and go that MRI. I needed to know what
was wrong.
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