PeterL wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803

>> It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho,
>> I make an appointment and go.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
>
> No need to get a referral from your GP?
>
Nope.

Goomba > wrote in news:7litg5F3aeqa8U1
@mid.individual.net:

> PeterL wrote:
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803
>
>>> It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho,
>>> I make an appointment and go.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>
>>
>> No need to get a referral from your GP?
>>
> Nope.
>
>


Ahhh well.... your system sucks in some ways, and ours suck in others :-)

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:28:14 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:01:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, and so am I. But fact is in quite a few cases, they don't because
>>> although they make enough for the plan their employer has, they 'opt' to not
>>> take it. I know that isnt the case for the self employed, out of work
>>> person, or temp staff, or part time worker.
>>
>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health
>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south,
>> but not here.
>>
> Just one article by Kaiser (based in California, I believe?)
> http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...explainer.aspx

two percent of the uninsured don't want to be, so none of them should have
the opportunity to get insured?

blake

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:43:38 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> this is utter bullshit. try getting cancer treatment at your ER.
>> guaranteed treatment for trauma is not 'health care coverage.'
>>
>> your pal,
>> blake
>
> FYI- in countries with nationalized care cancer treatments aren't
> assured either.

this is more utter bullshit. really, goomba, you should know better. you
don't even bother to provide some bullshit cite.

blake

blake murphy wrote:

>>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health
>>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south,
>>> but not here.
>>>
>> Just one article by Kaiser (based in California, I believe?)
>> http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...explainer.aspx
>
> two percent of the uninsured don't want to be, so none of them should have
> the opportunity to get insured?
>
> blake

No one said that. I think it showed sf that people outside of the south
choose to go without health care insurance too.

Nancy Young wrote:

> PeterL wrote:
> >"Nancy Young" > wrote in
> > news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803 @newsfe25.ams2:
> >
> > > PeterL wrote:
> >>>"cshenk" > wrote
> > >
> > > > Here, if you want to see an ortho, you go to your local GP and
> > > > say, "Give me a referral to such-and-such Specialist."
> > >
> > > It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho,
> > > I make an appointment and go.
>
> > No need to get a referral from your GP?
>
> No.

We have self-referral as well. Handy in cases where you know what you
need. When I had an ingrown toenail (ouch, by the way) I went straight
to the podiatrist.




Brian

--
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blake murphy wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:43:38 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>> this is utter bullshit. try getting cancer treatment at your ER.
>>> guaranteed treatment for trauma is not 'health care coverage.'
>>>
>>> your pal,
>>> blake
>> FYI- in countries with nationalized care cancer treatments aren't
>> assured either.
>
> this is more utter bullshit. really, goomba, you should know better. you
> don't even bother to provide some bullshit cite.
>
> blake

Hardly bullshit, Blake. I've lived in places with nationalized health
care. I know how the GP's can limit access to specialists. I know how
care gets rationed based on age or other discriminators. It isn't
uncommon to read about people suing the NHS for drugs that they refuse
to provide.... you can find stories easily enough.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...new-drugs.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ding-drug.html
http://www.biggovhealth.org/stories
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-new-drug.html

In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> >> I know what my GP/MD can, and can't do. If he can't do it, I ask for a
> >> referral to someone who can.
> >
> > I don't need a referral for any specialist. Not even a surgeon.
>
>
>
> Well, at least you have *one* good thing going for your medical
> system....... or is that a State by State thing?
>
> --
> Peter Lucas

I think it depends on the insurance company. ;-)
I DID need a referral for physical therapy, but my Ortho' recommended it
(and wrote an undated 'scrip for it for me ) long before I took him up
on it. I started PT at Advanced Rehabilitation in Austin about 3 weeks
ago.

GREAT place, awesome people, and they teach and practice trigger point
therapy. I was already pretty sure that trigger points was what was
causing the chronic right lower leg pain and since even self-therapy for
that is working to control the pain, I have to presume I was right...
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
--Steve Rothstein

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In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:01:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >Sure, and so am I. But fact is in quite a few cases, they don't because
> >although they make enough for the plan their employer has, they 'opt' to not
> >take it. I know that isnt the case for the self employed, out of work
> >person, or temp staff, or part time worker.
>
> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health
> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south,
> but not here.

It doesn't really count, but for couples with double coverage, often one
will opt out.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On 5 Nov 2009 09:52:20 GMT, "Ravenlynne" > wrote:
>
> >George Shirley wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Louisiana, home of the crooked politicians, Chicago can't hold a
> >> candle to us. If you don't believe that, take a look at how many of
> >> our politicians are in the federal slammer.
> >
> >Which high school was it that had their Valedictorian fail the
> >graduation exam? I know it was somewhere in New Orleans...
> >
> >
> >-Gina, who went to one of the more academically oriented schools in New
> >Orleans.
>
> Are you saying s/he did it on purpose?

P O L I T I C I A N S

It's very difficult to get into UC Berkeley, to make this local. You
have to have really high grades or really good SAT scores, or both...

or a close relative in the legislature.

How did George Bush II get through Yale?

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

In article >,
PeterL > wrote:

> Goomba > wrote in news:7litg5F3aeqa8U1
> @mid.individual.net:
>
> > PeterL wrote:
> >> "Nancy Young" > wrote in news:yErIm.25613$tF5.21803
> >
> >>> It all depends on your insurance. If I want to go see an ortho,
> >>> I make an appointment and go.

> >> No need to get a referral from your GP?
> >>
> > Nope.

> Ahhh well.... your system sucks in some ways, and ours suck in others :-)

Except we don't have *a* system in the US. I have to get a referral for
*everything*. I belong to an HMO. I don't mind it. Who am *I* to know
what I need? I got one referral from a regular eye doctor about 15
years ago. No renewals. I just keep seeing the specialist, now every
six months. Some referrals have time limits, generally if you go
outside the system.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:46:07 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>>>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health
>>>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south,
>>>> but not here.
>>>>
>>> Just one article by Kaiser (based in California, I believe?)
>>> http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...explainer.aspx
>>
>> two percent of the uninsured don't want to be, so none of them should have
>> the opportunity to get insured?
>>
>> blake
>
> No one said that. I think it showed sf that people outside of the south
> choose to go without health care insurance too.

well, then, what's your point?

blake

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:10:29 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:43:38 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> this is utter bullshit. try getting cancer treatment at your ER.
>>>> guaranteed treatment for trauma is not 'health care coverage.'
>>>>
>>>> your pal,
>>>> blake
>>> FYI- in countries with nationalized care cancer treatments aren't
>>> assured either.
>>
>> this is more utter bullshit. really, goomba, you should know better. you
>> don't even bother to provide some bullshit cite.
>>
>> blake
>
> Hardly bullshit, Blake. I've lived in places with nationalized health
> care. I know how the GP's can limit access to specialists. I know how
> care gets rationed based on age or other discriminators. It isn't
> uncommon to read about people suing the NHS for drugs that they refuse
> to provide.... you can find stories easily enough.
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...new-drugs.html
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...ding-drug.html
> http://www.biggovhealth.org/stories
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-new-drug.html

the *daily mail* is generally recognized as a right-wing rag.

but even so, nothing being proposed in the u.s. is like the national health
service in britain (where doctors and health care workers work directly for
the government, and is seriously underfunded to boot).

but it's irrelevant. *much* more serious 'rationing' occurs in the u.s.
every ****ing day courtesy of the for-profit insurance companies. and if
you don't have insurance - well, you don't get cancer drugs even if they
are cheap if you don't have the money.

blake

blake murphy wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:46:07 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>
>> blake murphy wrote:
>>
>>>>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health
>>>>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south,
>>>>> but not here.
>>>>>
>>>> Just one article by Kaiser (based in California, I believe?)
>>>> http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...explainer.aspx
>>> two percent of the uninsured don't want to be, so none of them should have
>>> the opportunity to get insured?
>>>
>>> blake
>> No one said that. I think it showed sf that people outside of the south
>> choose to go without health care insurance too.
>
> well, then, what's your point?
>
> blake

Please re-read sf's quote above: "I haven't heard of one person who
voluntarily opted out of health coverage offered by an employer. Maybe
it's different in the south, but not here."
To which I showed a citation by a California HMO which shows it happens
*everywhere*, not just "in the south" as sf suggests.

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 17:43:17 -0500, Goomba wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:46:07 -0500, Goomba wrote:
>>
>>> blake murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I haven't heard of one person who voluntarily opted out of health
>>>>>> coverage offered by an employer. Maybe it's different in the south,
>>>>>> but not here.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Just one article by Kaiser (based in California, I believe?)
>>>>> http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...explainer.aspx
>>>> two percent of the uninsured don't want to be, so none of them should have
>>>> the opportunity to get insured?
>>>>
>>>> blake
>>> No one said that. I think it showed sf that people outside of the south
>>> choose to go without health care insurance too.
>>
>> well, then, what's your point?
>>
>> blake
>
> Please re-read sf's quote above: "I haven't heard of one person who
> voluntarily opted out of health coverage offered by an employer. Maybe
> it's different in the south, but not here."
> To which I showed a citation by a California HMO which shows it happens
> *everywhere*, not just "in the south" as sf suggests.

o.k., more than one person opted out of coverage. what's the larger point?

your pal,
blake

Omelet > wrote in newsmpomelet-4F2641.21104204112009
@news-wc.giganews.com:

> In article >,
> PeterL > wrote:
>
>> Here, if you want to see an ortho, you go to your local GP and say,
"Give
>> me a referral to such-and-such Specialist."
>>
>> He writes out a referral letter and either rings up and makes an
>> appoinment for you, or you do it yourself.
>>
>> You turn up at the ortho appointment with the letter, and away you go!!
>
> Um, that's exactly the way I did it.
>

>
> I pay out around $100.00 per month payroll deduction for my insurance.
>


Even my pooch has her own Health/Life insurance. She's had it since she
was 10 weeks old.

It saved me a *packet* when she was a 'youngster' and blew her cruciate
ligament!!

Her's is the same as ours, they pay 80% of any bills.

But her's is only about $35 a month.


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?