On Nov 5, 7:02 am, "john royce" > wrote:
> "Al" > wrote in message
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> > On Nov 4, 5:32 pm, Rod > wrote:
> >> Al wrote:
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> >> > You will save exactly nothing.
> >> > The MW puts out so many BTUs and that is absorbed by the food. Two
> >> > cups of water will take twice as long to boil because it takes twice
> >> > as many BTUs to raise the temperature the the boiling point. The same
> >> > principle applies to your plan to put piles of food in the oven. Two
> >> > equal piles will take twice as long to cook and it won't cook as
> >> > evenly either when the food is crowded together.
> >> > Time to rethink your cunning plan. I use two different microwaves on
> >> > two different circuits.
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> >> Agreed. But the OP later wrote:
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> >> "Using the oven eating element easily brings the temperature up to where
> >> the wood (chopsticks) cannot cope with it."
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> >> Which seems to question just what the OP is doing. Using microwave
> >> heating, using element heating, or both?
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> >> And if he really wants to minimise electricity usage perhaps a hay box
> >> would help?
> >> Rod
>
> Thanks to all (except the couple of empty vessals who waste everyones time).
> To answer some general points: this oven uses both microwave and heating
> element both at the same time. Our instruction manual specifically say not
> to use any metal. Once I put in a plate that had a gold glazed rim and it
> started sparking like crazy. Its not just about economy, the microwave is
> not so big; so to fill it up is more convenient. Upturned lids are so close
> fitting that pressure builds up and liquid squirts out, so thats a no go.
>
I solved that lid problem by drilling 1/8" holes in the lids in
various places. Liquids can't squirt out unless the container is
either over filled and/or over heated. If you start boiling
everything, it has to go somewhere. Be prepared to replace your
equipment more often too as the cooking methods you favor are more
taxing to the electronics. Heat is one of the main killers of
electronic parts. Your oven is staying hotter longer and is not able
to dispense with the heat. One of the first things that goes with
microwaves subjected to this is the overheat sensor/s. These are mere
$30 parts, but take an expensive service call or bench charge to
replace. I'd do it for you for about $100. And that's the cheapest
thing that can happen.

Al wrote:
> On Nov 5, 3:47 pm, (spendwize.com)
> wrote:
>> Piling one dish upon another is going to alter the way the mocrowave
>> heats both dishes! The waves are going through double densities. So
>> whatever you think you are saving, you are probably spending in
>> needing to heat longer. If you want to cover a dish withour the top
>> "exploding" just don't civer it tightly; leave a little open space
>> for the steam to escape.
>> xxxxo
>
> Please don't bother the OP with technical facts about how microwaves
> work. HE/she would rather experiment with putting wood and other
> objects into a device designed to cook food in certain reasonable
> portions. I hope it works out for the OP. I would add in passing that
> some of the off-gassing from putting objects not designed for
> microwave cooking into such ovens can cause health problems, but what
> the hell!

And we won't bother you with facts like the one that the OP has a "microwave
combination oven", not a microwave oven.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 11:17:58 -0800, "Bob F" >
wrote:

>Al wrote:
>> On Nov 5, 3:47 pm, (spendwize.com)
>> wrote:
>>> Piling one dish upon another is going to alter the way the mocrowave
>>> heats both dishes! The waves are going through double densities. So
>>> whatever you think you are saving, you are probably spending in
>>> needing to heat longer. If you want to cover a dish withour the top
>>> "exploding" just don't civer it tightly; leave a little open space
>>> for the steam to escape.
>>> xxxxo
>>
>> Please don't bother the OP with technical facts about how microwaves
>> work. HE/she would rather experiment with putting wood and other
>> objects into a device designed to cook food in certain reasonable
>> portions. I hope it works out for the OP. I would add in passing that
>> some of the off-gassing from putting objects not designed for
>> microwave cooking into such ovens can cause health problems, but what
>> the hell!
>
>And we won't bother you with facts like the one that the OP has a "microwave
>combination oven", not a microwave oven.
>
>
But in the present case it's you who doesn't comprehend the facts...
that it's a combo has not a whit of bearing... the oven cooks with
microwaves, the conventional radiant energy portion functions to
brown. When the radiant energy produced by the conventional portion
is blocked by over crowding the microwaves will overcook the food way
before it browns. With those combo ovens it's far more important not
to over crowd than with single function ovens.

On Nov 6, 2:17 pm, "Bob F" > wrote:
> Al wrote:
> > On Nov 5, 3:47 pm, (spendwize.com)
> > wrote:
> >> Piling one dish upon another is going to alter the way the mocrowave
> >> heats both dishes! The waves are going through double densities. So
> >> whatever you think you are saving, you are probably spending in
> >> needing to heat longer. If you want to cover a dish withour the top
> >> "exploding" just don't civer it tightly; leave a little open space
> >> for the steam to escape.
> >> xxxxo
>
> > Please don't bother the OP with technical facts about how microwaves
> > work. HE/she would rather experiment with putting wood and other
> > objects into a device designed to cook food in certain reasonable
> > portions. I hope it works out for the OP. I would add in passing that
> > some of the off-gassing from putting objects not designed for
> > microwave cooking into such ovens can cause health problems, but what
> > the hell!
>
> And we won't bother you with facts like the one that the OP has a "microwave
> combination oven", not a microwave oven.

You're not bothering me. I read it the first time. Still doesn't mean
you can place any dam thing in it safely.