An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.

aloha,
Cea

pure kona > wrote in
:

> An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>
> aloha,
> Cea


I remember the pineapple crop was grown on Lanai, across the channel from
Maui.

Maui is sugar cane!

Andy

pure kona wrote:
> An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>
> aloha,
> Cea

Are we just crazy? Who wants to depend on other countries for
everything?

--
Jean B.

On 2009-11-04, pure kona > wrote:
> An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.

Having experienced decades of crappy unripe whole pineapples from
everywhere, even Hawaii, I couldn't care less. I've had true ripe
pineapple from HI, once. It was taken straight from the field and
transported via USAF cargo plane to our front door. Unbelievable!! I
have no idea what those bitter lumps of crap offered at even the very
best markets on the West Coast are, but it's not even in the same
parallel universe as that sublime orgasmic fruit I tasted nearly 40
yrs ago.

nb

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:15:13 -0600, Andy > wrote:

>pure kona > wrote in
:
>
>> An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
>> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
>> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
>
>I remember the pineapple crop was grown on Lanai, across the channel from
>Maui.
>
>Maui is sugar cane!
>
The server is being maintained right now, so I can't read the story,
but Maui had a big pineapple plantation the last time I was there.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:47:30 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>pure kona wrote:
>> An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
>> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
>> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>>
>> aloha,
>> Cea
>
>Are we just crazy? Who wants to depend on other countries for
>everything?

*We* aren't crazy and we have nothing to do with it. The mega
corporations who ultimately own the smaller facilities have tentacles
all over the world. It's just a big game of chess for them with
profit as the goal.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

pure kona wrote:
> An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>
> aloha,
> Cea


That is really sad.

gloria p

sf > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 10:15:13 -0600, Andy > wrote:
>
>>pure kona > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
>>> shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
>>> can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>>>
>>> aloha,
>>> Cea
>>
>>
>>I remember the pineapple crop was grown on Lanai, across the channel
>>from Maui.
>>
>>Maui is sugar cane!
>>
> The server is being maintained right now, so I can't read the story,
> but Maui had a big pineapple plantation the last time I was there.


sf,

Nope.

Vacationing there a month of the year, for years, the Dole company had
the pineapple plant on Lanai.

Andy

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:10:43 -0600, Andy > wrote:

>Nope.
>
>Vacationing there a month of the year, for years, the Dole company had
>the pineapple plant on Lanai.
>
>Andy

Maui Land and Pine was a huge operation on Maui. Try and read the
article. Lanai certainly did have pineapples, but we're talking about
Maui as in *Maui Land and Pine* well known, 100 year old company. It
is a big deal.

aloha,
Cea

pure kona > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:10:43 -0600, Andy > wrote:
>
>>Nope.
>>
>>Vacationing there a month of the year, for years, the Dole company had
>>the pineapple plant on Lanai.
>>
>>Andy
>
> Maui Land and Pine was a huge operation on Maui. Try and read the
> article. Lanai certainly did have pineapples, but we're talking about
> Maui as in *Maui Land and Pine* well known, 100 year old company. It
> is a big deal.
>
> aloha,
> Cea


While we couldn't navigate the whole island of Maui, I only saw sugar
cane fields.

Maybe times have changed since 1983.

Andy

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:06:07 -0600, Andy > wrote:

>pure kona > wrote in
:
>
>
>While we couldn't navigate the whole island of Maui, I only saw sugar
>cane fields.
>
>Maybe times have changed since 1983.
>
>Andy

Hard to convince you Andy indeed, but I moved to Haliimaile- upcountry
Maui, in 1974 and lived in the midst of a pineapple field. You are
correct---on the flat land of Maui is a huge sugar plantation-
apparently the last in the State- Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar. Out
past Lahaina, in Honolua/Kapalua there are also acres of pineapple.
Guessed you missed them. Of course pineapple is a low growing plant
while sugar cane is a tall grass that waves in the wind.

aloha,
Cea

pure kona > wrote in
:

> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 16:06:07 -0600, Andy > wrote:
>
>>pure kona > wrote in
m:
>>
>>
>>While we couldn't navigate the whole island of Maui, I only saw sugar
>>cane fields.
>>
>>Maybe times have changed since 1983.
>>
>>Andy
>
> Hard to convince you Andy indeed, but I moved to Haliimaile- upcountry
> Maui, in 1974 and lived in the midst of a pineapple field. You are
> correct---on the flat land of Maui is a huge sugar plantation-
> apparently the last in the State- Hawaiian Commercial & Sugar. Out
> past Lahaina, in Honolua/Kapalua there are also acres of pineapple.
> Guessed you missed them. Of course pineapple is a low growing plant
> while sugar cane is a tall grass that waves in the wind.
>
> aloha,
> Cea


Cea,

All my time in the Hawaiian islands, Maui especially, I never saw pineapple
plantations. Tour guides mention Lanai ans the industrial pineapple
plantation of Dole. Never visited.

BTW, I'm responsible for beginning Kilauea's erruption. Filled an airplane
rum bottle with black sand from Black Sand Beach on the southern tip of
Hawaii.

We flew out of Kona a day later as the volcano began. I have the bottle of
black sand lava I wasn't allowed to take on a shelf in my office and have
been meening to return it to appease Pele.

Andy

On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:25:36 -0600, Andy > wrote:

>All my time in the Hawaiian islands, Maui especially, I never saw pineapple
>plantations.

You probably didn't go past it, although I'm surprised considering
your line of work. Go to Google. Enter - map: "Maui Pineapple
Company Ltd" or "Maui pineapple plantation" see what turns up. Zoom
out and you will see it's on the coast between the West Maui forest
reserve and the Kahului airport.




--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:32:56 -0500, "
> wrote:

>On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 06:05:09 -1000, pure kona > wrote:
>
>>An announcement yesterday (full story he http://tiny.cc/PiWda )
>>shows that the high cost of unionized agricultural workers in the US
>>can not compete with pineapple raised in 3rd world countries.
>>
>>aloha,
>>Cea
>Why the hell do you think all the manufacturing jobs have been moved out of America?
>Nothing made in a unionized society can compete with a society where workers are paid
>pennies an hour. Corporations have been moving jobs out of america for decades, now
>our politicians are saying that we're moving to a service oriented economy. Right!
>We're going to be servants to those who are major stockholders in corporate america.
>
>You think I'm crazy? Wait for it, if you don't see it your children will. You may not
>have heard it here first, but you heard it here.
>
Where do you picture yourself in the hierarchy if we get rid of all
unions and wages go back to below poverty level? Are you at the top
looking down at the little people or at the bottom doing the real
work?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Ranee at Arabian Knits wrote:
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
>
>> Where do you picture yourself in the hierarchy if we get rid of all
>> unions and wages go back to below poverty level? Are you at the top
>> looking down at the little people or at the bottom doing the real
>> work?
>
> I'd like to be outside of the hierarchy altogether and grow, raise
> produce as much as I can on my own. Then use barter to get most
> everything else. Whatever we need to get beyond that we'd get from
> selling some of the things we made and using that money. As long as
> we're dreaming of a different world than what we have.
>


Sounds good for food or small items but what do you do when you
need a car? College tuition? A house? Medical care? Your
local merchant might take homemade or homegrown as barter,
but you can bet Nordstrom or Target or Home Depot won't.
You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you
still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to
spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.

Your skills are admirable but how will you keep your sons and
daughters from being attracted to the outside world?

gloria p

Gloria replied to Ranee:

> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you
> still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to
> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.

Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Gloria replied to Ranee:
>
>> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you still
>> need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to
>> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
>
> Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
>
> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>
> Bob


I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years
and I know she is a wonder.

One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.

gloria p

In article >,
"gloria.p" > wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > Gloria replied to Ranee:
> >
> >> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you still
> >> need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to
> >> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
> >
> > Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
> >
> > "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
> >
> > Bob
>
>
> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years
> and I know she is a wonder.
>
> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
>
> gloria p

I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are
dreaming of a different world..."

Many of us would love to live in a simpler time.

marcella

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:42:01 -0800, Marcella Peek
> wrote:

>In article >,
> "gloria.p" > wrote:
>>
>> > Gloria replied to Ranee:
>> >
>> >> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you still
>> >> need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to
>> >> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
>> >
>> > Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
>> >
>> > "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>>
>> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years
>> and I know she is a wonder.
>>
>> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
>
>I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are
>dreaming of a different world..."
>
>Many of us would love to live in a simpler time.
>
>marcella

You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
wouldn't.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:21:21 -0500, brooklyn1
> wrote:

>You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
>wouldn't.

Pre zippers, flush toilets and showers too.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

brooklyn1 wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:42:01 -0800, Marcella Peek
> > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> "gloria.p" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gloria replied to Ranee:
>>>>
>>>>> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you
>>>>> still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to
>>>>> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
>>>>
>>>> Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
>>>>
>>>> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>>>
>>> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years
>>> and I know she is a wonder.
>>>
>>> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
>>
>> I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are
>> dreaming of a different world..."
>>
>> Many of us would love to live in a simpler time.
>>
>> marcella
>
> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
> wouldn't.


Remember years ago there was series of books entitled something like, _The
Good Old Days - They Were Terrible!_...they pretty much were, today's world
is a *great* world in which to live.


--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 16:04:43 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:42:01 -0800, Marcella Peek
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "gloria.p" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gloria replied to Ranee:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can make your clothes and clothes for the children but you
>>>>>> still need to buy the fabric and thread unless you plan to
>>>>>> spin and weave flax or wool or grow cotton.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you never noticed Ranee's signature?
>>>>>
>>>>> "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands."
>>>>
>>>> I've known Ranee (and her sig.) online for over 15 years
>>>> and I know she is a wonder.
>>>>
>>>> One woman can't do it all, Bob, regardless how willing.
>>>
>>> I think you missed her last sentence which began "as long as we are
>>> dreaming of a different world..."
>>>
>>> Many of us would love to live in a simpler time.
>>>
>>> marcella
>>
>> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
>> wouldn't.
>
>
>Remember years ago there was series of books entitled something like, _The
>Good Old Days - They Were Terrible!_...they pretty much were, today's world
>is a *great* world in which to live.

Absolutely. These youngsters haven't a clue... I wonder how many gals
remember scrubbing laundry by hand on a board in the kitchen deep
sink, drawing fake stocking seams on the backs of each other's calfs
with a fountain pen because all the silk went to make parachutes for
the troops. And how many remember their mom and their Aunts tearing
old linen bed sheets into strips and having to launder and hang them
on lines in the terlit to dry each night for their feminine hygiene...
in the good olde days most wimmens preferred to stay preggo.

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:04:05 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:21:21 -0500, brooklyn1
> wrote:
>
>>You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
>>wouldn't.
>
>Pre zippers, flush toilets and showers too.

Not that I am taking sides, but years ago IIRC there was a reality
TV show about a family living under conditions of the previous
century. I watched a few episodes and will never forget the amount of
the woman's day that was spent on laundry and food work. I believe
the "reality family" went into it wholeheartedly and then...were
anxious for the experiment to end.

aloha,
Cea

pure kona wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:04:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:21:21 -0500, brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
>>> wouldn't.
>>
>> Pre zippers, flush toilets and showers too.
>
> Not that I am taking sides, but years ago IIRC there was a reality
> TV show about a family living under conditions of the previous
> century. I watched a few episodes and will never forget the amount of
> the woman's day that was spent on laundry and food work.


Oh yeah, we discussed those shows here, there was a spate of them, e.g.
_Pioneer House_, 1900 House_, etc., some were American shows, some were
British...


I believe
> the "reality family" went into it wholeheartedly and then...were
> anxious for the experiment to end.


Yup, until pretty recently housework was sheer DRUDGERY...it still is, but
it's a *lot* less dreary than in the Good Auld Daze...

I'm only a bit over 50 but I remember as a kid the wringer washer and drying
the wash on the line (or in the basement in the winter), if you wanted
chicken for dinner you had to kill it yerself, a push lawnmower, Mom
spending dreary hours mending socks, Dad stoking coal for the furnace,
having to save up to buy a fan - a FAN, fer cripes sakes! - to mitigate the
summer heat, etc. Stuff no one would put with today. And you go back a
generation more and most rural peeps didn't even have electricity, many had
no indoor plumbing, traveling even to an adjacent county was an ordeal...

We left the farm in 1959, the parents were simply tired of having to "work
like dogs" all the time. Dad got a good - paying factory job and Mom got a
good full-time gov't. job, we thought we'd won the lottery and gone to
heaven...and by previous standards we'd had.

Yes, we are very lucky to live in 2009...the expensive luxuries of 1959 are
commonplace today, even to the poor...someone from 1909 would think 2009
*was* heaven...!!!


--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:40:03 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>pure kona wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:04:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:21:21 -0500, brooklyn1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
>>>> wouldn't.
>>>
>>> Pre zippers, flush toilets and showers too.
>>
>> Not that I am taking sides, but years ago IIRC there was a reality
>> TV show about a family living under conditions of the previous
>> century. I watched a few episodes and will never forget the amount of
>> the woman's day that was spent on laundry and food work.
>
>
>Oh yeah, we discussed those shows here, there was a spate of them, e.g.
>_Pioneer House_, 1900 House_, etc., some were American shows, some were
>British...
>
>
>I believe
>> the "reality family" went into it wholeheartedly and then...were
>> anxious for the experiment to end.
>
>
>Yup, until pretty recently housework was sheer DRUDGERY...it still is, but
>it's a *lot* less dreary than in the Good Auld Daze...
>
>I'm only a bit over 50 but I remember as a kid the wringer washer and drying
>the wash on the line (or in the basement in the winter), if you wanted
>chicken for dinner you had to kill it yerself, a push lawnmower, Mom
>spending dreary hours mending socks, Dad stoking coal for the furnace,
>having to save up to buy a fan - a FAN, fer cripes sakes! - to mitigate the
>summer heat, etc. Stuff no one would put with today. And you go back a
>generation more and most rural peeps didn't even have electricity, many had
>no indoor plumbing, traveling even to an adjacent county was an ordeal...
>
>We left the farm in 1959, the parents were simply tired of having to "work
>like dogs" all the time. Dad got a good - paying factory job and Mom got a
>good full-time gov't. job, we thought we'd won the lottery and gone to
>heaven...and by previous standards we'd had.
>
>Yes, we are very lucky to live in 2009...the expensive luxuries of 1959 are
>commonplace today, even to the poor...someone from 1909 would think 2009
>*was* heaven...!!!

I was born in '43... I still haven't mastered key pad phones (I'm used
to rotary phones) and now they want me to learn cells phones... geeze,
the world is moving too fast. I don't understand the obsession with
telephones. I make on average like ten phone calls a week, typically
lasting like ten minutes or less each, and the majority are business
calls, like mail order, doctor appointments, and such. WTF do people
have to talk about that they spend 90% of their awake life on the
phone?

I've been driving a car for over 50 years and I've still never once
needed to make a phone call while behind the wheel... why anyone needs
a phone while driving a car is beyond the pale... no one can convince
me that cell phones aren't an addiction no different from cocaine.
Lately the most celebratory occasions are when folks driving while on
a cell phone run off the road and die without taking some poor
innocent with them. My brother is addicted to the cell phone. The
last time he visited he phoned while 15 miles away and reported his
every machination off his GPS like NASA arriving in my driveway, in
fact he was still talking to me on his cell phone after he walked
through my front door and was looking right at me... that's sick. I
don't own a cell phone, probably never will. I had a cell phone when
I first moved here to the boonies, folks told me I'd need it. I had
that phone an entire year, it sat on my desk that entire year, never
used, not even once... when the year was up I gave it back... in fact
I never gave the number to anyone but my brother... my brother still
to this day thinks I have that cell phone, he's the only one on the
planet who has that number in his phone book... I never knew it, never
wrote it down anywhere, it's been more than six years since I
cancelled that cell phone yet my cell phone addicted brother still
belives I have a cell phone.

On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 18:40:03 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
> wrote:

>pure kona wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:04:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>
>
>
>Oh yeah, we discussed those shows here, there was a spate of them, e.g.
>_Pioneer House_, 1900 House_, etc., some were American shows, some were
>British...
>
>
>I believe
>> the "reality family" went into it wholeheartedly and then...were
>> anxious for the experiment to end.
>
>
>Yup, until pretty recently housework was sheer DRUDGERY...it still is, but
>it's a *lot* less dreary than in the Good Auld Daze...
>
>I'm only a bit over 50 but I remember as a kid the wringer washer and drying
>the wash on the line (or in the basement in the winter), if you wanted
>chicken for dinner you had to kill it yerself, a push lawnmower, Mom
>spending dreary hours mending socks, Dad stoking coal for the furnace,
>having to save up to buy a fan - a FAN, fer cripes sakes! - to mitigate the
>summer heat, etc. Stuff no one would put with today. And you go back a
>generation more and most rural peeps didn't even have electricity, many had
>no indoor plumbing, traveling even to an adjacent county was an ordeal...
>
>We left the farm in 1959, the parents were simply tired of having to "work
>like dogs" all the time. Dad got a good - paying factory job and Mom got a
>good full-time gov't. job, we thought we'd won the lottery and gone to
>heaven...and by previous standards we'd had.
>
>Yes, we are very lucky to live in 2009...the expensive luxuries of 1959 are
>commonplace today, even to the poor...someone from 1909 would think 2009
>*was* heaven...!!!

I live on a farm right now- 2009. No water except what we catch from
the roof, put into old redwood tanks, filter and pump in.(When we
bought our house 21 years ago- the bathroom was the *perfect*
addition.) We gave up the out houses really fast.) Although over the
years we've had plenty of cold water showers and the need to get clean
over rode it all. And it is Hawaii- in the sub tropic zone of the
world. So heating H2O on the stove and using it carefully wasn't
beyond us.)

We have wild chickens but I would give up chicken in a minute if I had
to do it. I'd become a vegetarian- hahaha, and buy everything at the
local store.

We still earn our living from our farm- totally.

BTW I remember when fans were a luxury and now I can buy one for $20
at Wally Mart! I love that!

Actually I love now.

aloha,
Cea

pure kona wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:04:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:21:21 -0500, brooklyn1
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
>>> wouldn't.
>> Pre zippers, flush toilets and showers too.
>
> Not that I am taking sides, but years ago IIRC there was a reality
> TV show about a family living under conditions of the previous
> century. I watched a few episodes and will never forget the amount of
> the woman's day that was spent on laundry and food work. I believe
> the "reality family" went into it wholeheartedly and then...were
> anxious for the experiment to end.
>
> aloha,
> Cea

Ah yes. I remember that.

I am also reminded about a museum exhibit on laundry day. That
really got across the amount of arduous work that was required.
They even had some interactive exhibits, so you could feel how
hard it was to use the laundry paddle etc.

--
Jean B.

In article >, "Jean B." > wrote:
>pure kona wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:04:05 -0800, sf > wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:21:21 -0500, brooklyn1
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> You mean pre PC, pre TV, and pre sanitary napkins... I bet you
>>>> wouldn't.
>>> Pre zippers, flush toilets and showers too.
>>
>> Not that I am taking sides, but years ago IIRC there was a reality
>> TV show about a family living under conditions of the previous
>> century. I watched a few episodes and will never forget the amount of
>> the woman's day that was spent on laundry and food work. I believe
>> the "reality family" went into it wholeheartedly and then...were
>> anxious for the experiment to end.
>
>Ah yes. I remember that.
>
>I am also reminded about a museum exhibit on laundry day. That
>really got across the amount of arduous work that was required.
>They even had some interactive exhibits, so you could feel how
>hard it was to use the laundry paddle etc.

The interesting thing about all this is that the people living in
those days were perfectly happy doing these thing because they didn't
know any other way. (Come to that, there were even some advantages in
having a copper to boil the sheets etc. every Monday morning -- you
could chuck a tin of condensed milk in with the clothes and three
hours later you had superb caramel! And, the copper was big enough to
cook a few mud crabs whole whenever the occasion presented itself. :-)

Cheers, Phred.

--
LID

Phred wrote:
> The interesting thing about all this is that the people living in
> those days were perfectly happy doing these thing because they didn't
> know any other way. (Come to that, there were even some advantages in
> having a copper to boil the sheets etc. every Monday morning -- you
> could chuck a tin of condensed milk in with the clothes and three
> hours later you had superb caramel! And, the copper was big enough to
> cook a few mud crabs whole whenever the occasion presented itself. :-)
>
> Cheers, Phred.
>
LOL!

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Jean B.

Phred wrote:

>
> The interesting thing about all this is that the people living in
> those days were perfectly happy doing these thing because they didn't
> know any other way. (Come to that, there were even some advantages in
> having a copper to boil the sheets etc. every Monday morning -- you
> could chuck a tin of condensed milk in with the clothes and three
> hours later you had superb caramel!



Oh, yeah. I'm sure all they had to do was run around to the
corner store for a can of condensed milk except the nearest store
was probably 200 miles away and had never heard of canned anything.

gloria p

In article >, wrote:
>Phred wrote:
>
>>
>> The interesting thing about all this is that the people living in
>> those days were perfectly happy doing these thing because they didn't
>> know any other way. (Come to that, there were even some advantages in
>> having a copper to boil the sheets etc. every Monday morning -- you
>> could chuck a tin of condensed milk in with the clothes and three
>> hours later you had superb caramel!
>
>Oh, yeah. I'm sure all they had to do was run around to the
>corner store for a can of condensed milk except the nearest store
>was probably 200 miles away and had never heard of canned anything.

Nope. When I was a kid with the wood-fired copper, the canned food
(including condensed milk, if you wanted it was delivered by one or
other of the two "department stores" in town. A bloke came round on
his bike once a week to take orders and the stuff was delivered the
next day -- different days for the two stores. Fresh stuff like bread
and meat you had to get yourself; but fresh milk arrived each
afternoon in a horse and cart with pint and quart measuring cans (you
had to supply your own containers to get it though).

And, if you were 200 miles from town you had a store room as big as a
modern kitchen which you crammed full of canned stuff and bags of
flour, sugar, salt, and boxes of tea, before the end of the dry season
because you knew it would be six months before you could get back to
town once the rains started.

Cheers, Phred.

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LID