Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.

http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>
> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828

That must be why I picked up extra cans. Many folks like to age
the canned pumpkin for some years before using them, so these will
be aged. I am assuming I have older cans stashed away.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in :

> Mark Thorson wrote:
>> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>>
>> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
>
> That must be why I picked up extra cans. Many folks like to age
> the canned pumpkin for some years before using them, so these will
> be aged. I am assuming I have older cans stashed away.
>


Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, like a fine wine!!


Aged pumpkin ina tin....... who wooda thunk it??!!


--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

On Nov 18, 12:02*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Thanksgiving cancelled. *Go home.
>
> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828

Our stores got a very large supply of canned back in September, so I
stocked up. I have Fareway's own brand and Libby's.

N.

In article
>,
Nancy2 > wrote:
> Our stores got a very large supply of canned back in September, so I
> stocked up. I have Fareway's own brand and Libby's.
>
> N.

I just came from Cub a bit ago. Grocery guy said the Libby's that was
on the shelf is all they would have; they'd been told there was no more.
I bought a couple cans of Libby's -- maybe I'll auction them on eBay
"-0) and a couple can's of the house brand. It'll be interesting to
see if there's a difference; the Cub brand was about 25% less than
Libby's.
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers?
10-30-2009

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
> >
> > http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
>
> Many folks like to age the canned pumpkin for some years before using
> them.

Really? Never heard of it. Any idea why?
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers?
10-30-2009

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article
> >,
> Nancy2 > wrote:
>> Our stores got a very large supply of canned back in September, so I
>> stocked up. I have Fareway's own brand and Libby's.
>>
>> N.
>
> I just came from Cub a bit ago. Grocery guy said the Libby's that was
> on the shelf is all they would have; they'd been told there was no more.
> I bought a couple cans of Libby's -- maybe I'll auction them on eBay
> "-0) and a couple can's of the house brand. It'll be interesting to
> see if there's a difference; the Cub brand was about 25% less than
> Libby's.

I never use any canned pumpkin except the store brand. I find the Kroger
brand works just fine and is much cheaper than Libby's. I do the same
with cranberry sauce, Kroger versus Ocean Spray, same same.

On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:02:54 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>
> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828

couldn't we cancel christmas instead?

your pal,
blake

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>
> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828


They are just trying to create panic buying (like when Johnny Carson
started a run on toilet paper.) Pretty smart.

Bob

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>>>
>>> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
>> Many folks like to age the canned pumpkin for some years before using
>> them.
>
> Really? Never heard of it. Any idea why?

Because they bought 6 cans last time it was on sale and haven't used
it up yet. (don't ask me how I know this, and don't EVEN ask about
cranberry sauce)

Bob

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>>>
>>> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
>> Many folks like to age the canned pumpkin for some years before using
>> them.
>
> Really? Never heard of it. Any idea why?

No, I'd have to do a search. I read that some years ago. I don't
deliberately age it myself, but the effect is the same, since I
stock up and then use the older cans.

--
Jean B.

"Melba's Jammin'" > wrote in message
...
> In article
> >,
> Nancy2 > wrote:
>> Our stores got a very large supply of canned back in September, so I
>> stocked up. I have Fareway's own brand and Libby's.
>>
>> N.
>
> I just came from Cub a bit ago. Grocery guy said the Libby's that was
> on the shelf is all they would have; they'd been told there was no more.
> I bought a couple cans of Libby's -- maybe I'll auction them on eBay
> "-0) and a couple can's of the house brand. It'll be interesting to
> see if there's a difference; the Cub brand was about 25% less than
> Libby's.
> --
> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
> http://web.me.com/barbschaller - Who Said Chickens Have Fingers?
> 10-30-2009

My kids thought I was nutz for buying 5-6 pumpkins around Halloween....'we
don't decorate, what are you doing?'......cut'em, cleaned'em and popped them
in the oven cut side down 'til the domes collapsed. Took them out, scraped
out the shells, whirled it around a little in blender and packaged the puree
in ziplock lunch bags in 2 cup increments......don't even ask how much
pumpkin I have in the freezer. I don't need their steenkin' canned
punkin.....I even made a few 1 cup packs. So, Barb, let me know how that
can thing on ebay works for you....I may just sell some punkin puree.....
-ginny

On Nov 18, 12:02*am, Mark Thorson > wrote:
> Thanksgiving cancelled. *Go home.
>
> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828

Canned pumpkin shortage? What? I live in the midwest and saw nothing
but bumper crops of pumpkins this year.

On Nov 18, 12:09*pm, zxcvbob > wrote:
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Thanksgiving cancelled. *Go home.
>
> >http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
>
> They are just trying to create panic buying (like when Johnny Carson
> started a run on toilet paper.) *Pretty smart.

Ahhhh.....now that makes sense.

"Ranée at Arabian Knits" wrote:
>
> In article . com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > Being the hard core techie type, I once made a research batch of pumpkin
> > pies, some with canned pumpkin and some with fresh baked and pureed
> > pumpkin, the recipe and all else the same. After I found little
> > difference between the two, I've stuck with the canned pumpkin as
> > cooking it fresh is a lot of work, more expensive and I find there is
> > little benefit.
>
> We find the texture to be better. We've had to adjust the timing,
> because we don't use the gloppy canned stuff, and fresh pumpkin is
> wetter, even when you strain and drain it, but the flavor is wonderful
> and the texture is more like custard.

I've heard other comments about texture, but when I did my test I didn't
find much difference. I will note that I'm not one of those folks who
hates all kinds of foods because of the "texture", and I've never
understood them... very strange folks.

"Pete C." > wrote in
ter.com:

>
> "Ranée at Arabian Knits" wrote:
>>
>> In article . com>,
>> "Pete C." > wrote:
>>
>> > Being the hard core techie type, I once made a research batch of
>> > pumpkin pies, some with canned pumpkin and some with fresh baked
>> > and pureed pumpkin, the recipe and all else the same. After I found
>> > little difference between the two, I've stuck with the canned
>> > pumpkin as cooking it fresh is a lot of work, more expensive and I
>> > find there is little benefit.
>>
>> We find the texture to be better. We've had to adjust the timing,
>> because we don't use the gloppy canned stuff, and fresh pumpkin is
>> wetter, even when you strain and drain it, but the flavor is
>> wonderful and the texture is more like custard.
>
> I've heard other comments about texture, but when I did my test I
> didn't find much difference. I will note that I'm not one of those
> folks who hates all kinds of foods because of the "texture", and I've
> never understood them... very strange folks.


Nestles and Polaroid. Look what they did in South Africa!!!

I don't feel sorry for Nestles or Polaroid!!!

Andy

Andy > wrote in :

> "Pete C." > wrote in
> ter.com:
>
>>
>> "Ranée at Arabian Knits" wrote:
>>>
>>> In article . com>,
>>> "Pete C." > wrote:
>>>
>>> > Being the hard core techie type, I once made a research batch of
>>> > pumpkin pies, some with canned pumpkin and some with fresh baked
>>> > and pureed pumpkin, the recipe and all else the same. After I found
>>> > little difference between the two, I've stuck with the canned
>>> > pumpkin as cooking it fresh is a lot of work, more expensive and I
>>> > find there is little benefit.
>>>
>>> We find the texture to be better. We've had to adjust the timing,
>>> because we don't use the gloppy canned stuff, and fresh pumpkin is
>>> wetter, even when you strain and drain it, but the flavor is
>>> wonderful and the texture is more like custard.
>>
>> I've heard other comments about texture, but when I did my test I
>> didn't find much difference. I will note that I'm not one of those
>> folks who hates all kinds of foods because of the "texture", and I've
>> never understood them... very strange folks.
>
>
> Nestles and Polaroid. Look what they did in South Africa!!!
>
> I don't feel sorry for Nestles or Polaroid!!!
>
> Andy


Polaroid helped the apartheid movement create "national identity cards"
that the black population was forced to carry. The white population didn't.

Andy

Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>>>
>>> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
>> Many folks like to age the canned pumpkin for some years before using
>> them.
>
> Really? Never heard of it. Any idea why?

Approx. 80 percent of the pumpkin crop is canned in Central Illinois at
the Libby plant in Morton, Il.

We have had a bumper crop of pumpkins this year but it has been so wet
around here that the farmers have not been able to harvest their crops
and the pumpkins are rotting in the fields!

Such a waste.

Bobslo

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Not strange to me. I always roast small sugar pumpkins. If anything, the
> flesh is drier than canned, not wetter. I use the food processor to
> "puree" it, but not to the point where there is absolutely no texture left.
> So, for me, it *is* a texture thing. Fresh pumpkin, properly prepared,
> usually has a stronger flavor as well.
>
Guess I'd better not say "never" then.

--
Jean B.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:13:33 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>I haven't explored the fresh pumpkin route having read that the
>pies can be watery. I did think that if one roasted the pumpkin,
>perhaps the end result would be less watery, but recently I read
>someone had negative results using that approach.

Perhaps, but I've only roasted pumpkin - draining well. AFAIC the pie
is a bit looser and the flavor is a bit stronger too. I don't object
though because when it's all said and done I want a slight difference,
otherwise I might as well just buy a can of pumpkin and not go through
all that trouble.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:23:14 -0600, bobslo > wrote:

>Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>> In article >,
>> "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Thorson wrote:
>>>> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
>>>>
>>>> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
>>> Many folks like to age the canned pumpkin for some years before using
>>> them.
>>
>> Really? Never heard of it. Any idea why?
>
>Approx. 80 percent of the pumpkin crop is canned in Central Illinois at
>the Libby plant in Morton, Il.
>
>We have had a bumper crop of pumpkins this year but it has been so wet
>around here that the farmers have not been able to harvest their crops
>and the pumpkins are rotting in the fields!

I was in North Central Illinois a week ago and I was shocked to see
exactly what you describe. And the same for corn. I was reading
there's concern over the corn molding. October was a very very wet
month.

Lou

Wayne Boatwright > wrote in
5.247:

> More expensive or not, AFAIC, the benefits of fresh home-cooked and
> processed pumpkin far outweight the cost. The difference to me is
> negligible.


Funny, as seen on food TV, the pumpkin pie cook-off champ several years
running said that canned pumpkin pie filling won her the blue ribbons.

You DID mean "fresh home-cooked and prepared," didn't you, you twit!

Andy

"Ranée at Arabian Knits" wrote:
>
> In article . com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> > I don't work for less than $10/hr for side jobs, considerable more for
> > my real job.
>
> So, I take it you don't eat at home, then, because it is cheaper to
> eat out.

No, I mostly eat at home.

You are confusing the costs and efficiencies of mass production of
foods, and the much more substantial overhead and markup of for-profit
restaurants.

A commercial producer growing and processing many thousands of pumpkins
has efficiencies of scale that a home grower does not. They also have
laborers that work a lot cheaper than I do.

Lou Decruss wrote:
>
> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:23:14 -0600, bobslo > wrote:
>
> >Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >> In article >,
> >> "Jean B." > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Mark Thorson wrote:
> >>>> Thanksgiving cancelled. Go home.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://economy.kansascity.com/?q=node/4828
> >>> Many folks like to age the canned pumpkin for some years before using
> >>> them.
> >>
> >> Really? Never heard of it. Any idea why?
> >
> >Approx. 80 percent of the pumpkin crop is canned in Central Illinois at
> >the Libby plant in Morton, Il.
> >
> >We have had a bumper crop of pumpkins this year but it has been so wet
> >around here that the farmers have not been able to harvest their crops
> >and the pumpkins are rotting in the fields!
>
> I was in North Central Illinois a week ago and I was shocked to see
> exactly what you describe. And the same for corn. I was reading
> there's concern over the corn molding. October was a very very wet
> month.
>
> Lou

It is and isn't a waste depending on how you look at it. It's a waste
from the perspective of not being able to harvest and be consumed by
humans. From the perspective that all that "lost" harvest becomes
compost tilled into the fields next year and offsetting the need for
additional fertilizer and soil treatment, it's not a waste.

"Ranée at Arabian Knits" wrote:
>
> In article . com>,
> "Pete C." > wrote:
>
> >
> > "Ranée at Arabian Knits" wrote:
> > >
> > > In article . com>,
> > > "Pete C." > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't work for less than $10/hr for side jobs, considerable more for
> > > > my real job.
> > >
> > > So, I take it you don't eat at home, then, because it is cheaper to
> > > eat out.
> >
> > No, I mostly eat at home.
> >
> > You are confusing the costs and efficiencies of mass production of
> > foods, and the much more substantial overhead and markup of for-profit
> > restaurants.
>
> No, I am making the logical conclusion based on your statement that
> you do not work for less than $10 an hour for side jobs. Since there is
> plenty of restaurant food to be had at a much lower price than that
> (whatever one might think of the quality or ethics or anything else), I
> figured you wouldn't waste time on food preparation or cooking at all.
>
> Since I can make an entire dinner for my family for about $5.00 -
> $10.00, but it takes me between 20 minutes and an hour on average to
> make it, by your reckoning, I should count that time for at least this
> rate (why not the rate of pay I was paid before I left the workplace to
> be a homemaker? I was paid $20 an hour then, and that was 11 years
> ago.) , plus the costs of electricity, water, etc. Well, that makes my
> dinner for my family about $15.00 - $25.00, I suppose; $20.00 - $35.00
> if we charge what I was paid before for my work. I could probably get
> fast food for the same price. However, since our food budget is
> separate from our power bill, water bill, and those latter two tend to
> stay around the same even when we eat out, and we don't actually have to
> pay ourselves for yard work or cooking, we just do it as part of taking
> care of a home and family, I'll take probably continue to be more
> concerned about the actual $5.00 - $10.00 rather than the theoretical
> $15.00 - $35.00.

Well, in about one hour of cooking labor + $20 in ingredients, I can
(and routinely do) make a batch of food that will last me a week of
meals, even counting my labor at my nominal $50/hr, I'm still only
paying a few dollars per meal. Add in the $2 or so for an hour of power,
mortgage, insurance, etc. and it's still under $4/meal.

>
> > A commercial producer growing and processing many thousands of pumpkins
> > has efficiencies of scale that a home grower does not. They also have
> > laborers that work a lot cheaper than I do.
>
> That is true. However, it does not change the fact that I can still
> produce a can's worth of pumpkin for far less than the can costs. Not
> least of the reasons being that I don't need to hire anyone, don't have
> a factory, don't buy the cans, don't have heavy equipment, etc.

I guess your costs are just lower, because I can't produce 15oz of
processed pumpkin for the $2 I can buy the can for.

"Pete C." wrote:
>
> Well, in about one hour of cooking labor + $20 in ingredients, I can
> (and routinely do) make a batch of food that will last me a week of
> meals, even counting my labor at my nominal $50/hr, I'm still only
> paying a few dollars per meal. Add in the $2 or so for an hour of power,
> mortgage, insurance, etc. and it's still under $4/meal.

In my case, I know it's costing me shitloads of
equivalent income, but I can't buy the food I want
anywhere. I have to make it myself, so I can be
sure what's in it. No U.S. beef, for example.
Or nitrate- or nitrite- cured meat of any kind.

There was plenty of canned pumpkin -- Libby's and Kroger brand at
Kroger today.

Tara