On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:45:02 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Mookie wrote:
>>>> On Nov 30, 9:38 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:29:03 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>> Taters, peppers, n' eggs... decided to omit the onions and the gravy.
>>>>>> ---->http://i47.tinypic.com/1tpzfb.jpg
>>>>> Oh My ****ing God.
>>>>>
>>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> -sw
>>>> Steve, wouldn't that comment be more appropriate in
>>>> rec.food.counterculture? Who cares what anyone's counters look like
>>>> as long as they're clean? Lots of us can't or choose not to afford
>>>> granite and our food still tastes good.
>>>> Ruth
>>> Besides, granite etc. can emit radon. Why should anyone dictate
>>> what someone else's counters are made of?
>>
>> While I'm still here I prefer "happy" colors... there'll be plenty of
>> time for granite in the grave.
>
>heh! That being said, I was in a kitchen design place today--just
>a preliminary reconnoitering. The countertop material that most
>appeals to me this far is Staron's Pebble Ebony.
>
>See:
>
>http://staron.com/colors.jsp
>
>That's a pretty lousy little picture though. It is black with
>mica-like speckles.

It's too dark for my taste, and too shiny... would too easily show
pussycat paw prints. LOL I favor mid range to light coloring and I
like a little texture... I like to actually cook... I don't want
kitchen counters that would need the maintenance of a black stretch
limo, or a material that reminds me of a hearse.
Also check out the products at Formica.com.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> If I could afford it, I would still probabaly not opt for granite or
> another stone. I do like many laminates and they are inexpensive enough to
> afford changing if you grow tired of it or it becomes terribly damaged.
> While I do like laminates, I can't say that I care much for the one Sheldon
> has, as I find the color off-putting. However, color/pattern choice is a
> very subjective and personal thing.
>
> I did have one kitchen where Ihad a Wilsonart solid-surface countertop
> installed with an integrated sink. I really did like that.
>
Thanks for the comments, Wayne. Who knows what little tidbit will
come in handy!

--
Jean B.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> I meant to add that I really like the pattern your mentioned. It's
> actually rather similar to the laminate surface I have in my present
> kitchen, at least in color/pattern.
>
What is it that you have, Wayne?

--
Jean B.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:45:02 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mookie wrote:
>>>>> On Nov 30, 9:38 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:29:03 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>> Taters, peppers, n' eggs... decided to omit the onions and the gravy.
>>>>>>> ---->http://i47.tinypic.com/1tpzfb.jpg
>>>>>> Oh My ****ing God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -sw
>>>>> Steve, wouldn't that comment be more appropriate in
>>>>> rec.food.counterculture? Who cares what anyone's counters look like
>>>>> as long as they're clean? Lots of us can't or choose not to afford
>>>>> granite and our food still tastes good.
>>>>> Ruth
>>>> Besides, granite etc. can emit radon. Why should anyone dictate
>>>> what someone else's counters are made of?
>>> While I'm still here I prefer "happy" colors... there'll be plenty of
>>> time for granite in the grave.
>> heh! That being said, I was in a kitchen design place today--just
>> a preliminary reconnoitering. The countertop material that most
>> appeals to me this far is Staron's Pebble Ebony.
>>
>> See:
>>
>> http://staron.com/colors.jsp
>>
>> That's a pretty lousy little picture though. It is black with
>> mica-like speckles.
>
> It's too dark for my taste, and too shiny... would too easily show
> pussycat paw prints. LOL I favor mid range to light coloring and I
> like a little texture... I like to actually cook... I don't want
> kitchen counters that would need the maintenance of a black stretch
> limo, or a material that reminds me of a hearse.
> Also check out the products at Formica.com.

Shall do. Of course, I will read reviews etc. I just thought
that was aesthetically appealing!

I don't think I have ever had a counter with texture--unless you
mean not just totally slick feeling.

--
Jean B.

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:45:55 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:45:02 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mookie wrote:
>>>>>> On Nov 30, 9:38 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:29:03 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>>> Taters, peppers, n' eggs... decided to omit the onions and the gravy.
>>>>>>>> ---->http://i47.tinypic.com/1tpzfb.jpg
>>>>>>> Oh My ****ing God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>> Steve, wouldn't that comment be more appropriate in
>>>>>> rec.food.counterculture? Who cares what anyone's counters look like
>>>>>> as long as they're clean? Lots of us can't or choose not to afford
>>>>>> granite and our food still tastes good.
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>> Besides, granite etc. can emit radon. Why should anyone dictate
>>>>> what someone else's counters are made of?
>>>> While I'm still here I prefer "happy" colors... there'll be plenty of
>>>> time for granite in the grave.
>>> heh! That being said, I was in a kitchen design place today--just
>>> a preliminary reconnoitering. The countertop material that most
>>> appeals to me this far is Staron's Pebble Ebony.
>>>
>>> See:
>>>
>>> http://staron.com/colors.jsp
>>>
>>> That's a pretty lousy little picture though. It is black with
>>> mica-like speckles.
>>
>> It's too dark for my taste, and too shiny... would too easily show
>> pussycat paw prints. LOL I favor mid range to light coloring and I
>> like a little texture... I like to actually cook... I don't want
>> kitchen counters that would need the maintenance of a black stretch
>> limo, or a material that reminds me of a hearse.
>> Also check out the products at Formica.com.
>
>Shall do. Of course, I will read reviews etc. I just thought
>that was aesthetically appealing!
>
>I don't think I have ever had a counter with texture--unless you
>mean not just totally slick feeling.

I like a finish that is slightly matte/not glossy.

In article >,
Sqwertz > wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:45:23 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>
> > My wood grain formica countertops currently look like hell, hence using
> > either my black stove top, or a colored fabric drape for my
> > backgrounds...
>
> I can get you laminate for about $.75/sqft. Just glue it down right
> on top of the old stuff and weight it down with everything you can
> think of for 45 minutes. Costs about $20-$25 for an average
> L-shaped counter.

I appreciate the offer, but I _really_ need an entire new countertop.
The original one is that particle board stuff covered with the laminate
and it's, well, it's just really needing replacement. ;-) Not falling
apart or anything yet, but still.

>
> Forming a curved edge, if necessary, is the tricky part at home, but
> you don't have to do that. You might be able to use a curling iron
> or hair dryer - never tried it.
>
> -sw

I really really really want tile or corian steve, but seriously, thanks
for thinking of me. :-)
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brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>> heh! That being said, I was in a kitchen design place today--just
>> a preliminary reconnoitering. The countertop material that most
>> appeals to me this far is Staron's Pebble Ebony.
>>
>> See:
>>
>> http://staron.com/colors.jsp
>>
>> That's a pretty lousy little picture though. It is black with
>> mica-like speckles.
>
> It's too dark for my taste, and too shiny... would too easily show
> pussycat paw prints. LOL I favor mid range to light coloring and I
> like a little texture... I like to actually cook... I don't want
> kitchen counters that would need the maintenance of a black stretch
> limo, or a material that reminds me of a hearse.
> Also check out the products at Formica.com.


We just had our kitchen remodeled and chose:

http://www.silestoneusa.com/colors/c...cfm?ColorID=39

I love it with our maple cabinets.

gloria p

On Nov 30, 7:23*pm, Becca > wrote:
> brooklyn1 wrote:
> > Taters, peppers, n' eggs... decided to omit the onions and the gravy.
> > ---->http://i47.tinypic.com/1tpzfb.jpg

Even nicer is to leave out the scrambled eggs, and toss a few basted
or over medium eggs on top instead.
>
> Looks great. *I would wrap a tortilla around that and add some salsa. *
> Aiiiyeeee! *

And some spicy pork.
>
> Becca

--Bryan

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:08:01 -0600, Andy > wrote:
>
>>One of these days I'm going to upgrade the kitchen sink from a twin SS
>>sink to a deep welled single commercial sink!
>
> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
> they have one.

One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :

Om wrote:

>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>>
>> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I replaced my
>> kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite. I dislike stainless steel
>> appliances, too. (Stainless is so cold and impersonal looking.) There's
>> nothing wrong with formica. If it ain't broke, don't pay to fix it
>
> I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.

Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?

Bob

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:48:10 -0500, "cybercat" >
wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:08:01 -0600, Andy > wrote:
>>
>>>One of these days I'm going to upgrade the kitchen sink from a twin SS
>>>sink to a deep welled single commercial sink!
>>
>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>> they have one.
>
>One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>
Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
dishwasher?"

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
>>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>>> they have one.
>>
>>One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>>
> Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
> dishwasher?"
>
> --

Good reason: one sink to drain/dry dishes in. I don't always use my
dishwasher. I usually wash dishes and pots by hand. It's one thing I
disliked about my apartment in TN: only one large sink. I had to set the
dish rack off to the side, taking up much needed counterspace. Yes, I had a
dishwasher. But it took a week to fill it up enough to make it economical
to bother running it. I'd rather have two sinks, one for the dish drainer
the other to wash dishes in. (I'd actually like three sinks... one nice and
deep for stock pots and large roasting pans and baking dishes.)

Jill

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:48:10 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>> "sf" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:08:01 -0600, Andy > wrote:
>>>
>>>> One of these days I'm going to upgrade the kitchen sink from a twin SS
>>>> sink to a deep welled single commercial sink!
>>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>>> they have one.
>> One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>>
> Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
> dishwasher?"
>
SO you wash with one before rinsing in the other and dropping the stuff
in the drainer
then take the H2o out to the garden

sf wrote:

>>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>>> they have one.
>> One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>>
> Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
> dishwasher?"
>
Duh.. one sink is in constant use, the other has a rack that is sunken
down into it and any hand washed items can sit there draining with the
other sink not tied up.
It isn't brain surgery.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 21:45:55 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>
>>>> brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:45:02 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mookie wrote:
>>>>>>> On Nov 30, 9:38 pm, Sqwertz > wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:29:03 -0500, brooklyn1 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Taters, peppers, n' eggs... decided to omit the onions and the gravy.
>>>>>>>>> ---->http://i47.tinypic.com/1tpzfb.jpg
>>>>>>>> Oh My ****ing God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -sw
>>>>>>> Steve, wouldn't that comment be more appropriate in
>>>>>>> rec.food.counterculture? Who cares what anyone's counters look like
>>>>>>> as long as they're clean? Lots of us can't or choose not to afford
>>>>>>> granite and our food still tastes good.
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>> Besides, granite etc. can emit radon. Why should anyone dictate
>>>>>> what someone else's counters are made of?
>>>>> While I'm still here I prefer "happy" colors... there'll be plenty of
>>>>> time for granite in the grave.
>>>> heh! That being said, I was in a kitchen design place today--just
>>>> a preliminary reconnoitering. The countertop material that most
>>>> appeals to me this far is Staron's Pebble Ebony.
>>>>
>>>> See:
>>>>
>>>> http://staron.com/colors.jsp
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty lousy little picture though. It is black with
>>>> mica-like speckles.
>>> It's too dark for my taste, and too shiny... would too easily show
>>> pussycat paw prints. LOL I favor mid range to light coloring and I
>>> like a little texture... I like to actually cook... I don't want
>>> kitchen counters that would need the maintenance of a black stretch
>>> limo, or a material that reminds me of a hearse.
>>> Also check out the products at Formica.com.
>> Shall do. Of course, I will read reviews etc. I just thought
>> that was aesthetically appealing!
>>
>> I don't think I have ever had a counter with texture--unless you
>> mean not just totally slick feeling.
>
> I like a finish that is slightly matte/not glossy.

Okay, that is what I was assuming after a brief moment. I haven't
had a glossy finish on a counter, so maybe I am unaware of its
downside. Perhaps folks can comment on the pros and cons.

--
Jean B.

gloria.p wrote:
> brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>>> heh! That being said, I was in a kitchen design place today--just a
>>> preliminary reconnoitering. The countertop material that most
>>> appeals to me this far is Staron's Pebble Ebony.
>>>
>>> See:
>>>
>>> http://staron.com/colors.jsp
>>>
>>> That's a pretty lousy little picture though. It is black with
>>> mica-like speckles.
>>
>> It's too dark for my taste, and too shiny... would too easily show
>> pussycat paw prints. LOL I favor mid range to light coloring and I
>> like a little texture... I like to actually cook... I don't want
>> kitchen counters that would need the maintenance of a black stretch
>> limo, or a material that reminds me of a hearse.
>> Also check out the products at Formica.com.
>
>
> We just had our kitchen remodeled and chose:
>
> http://www.silestoneusa.com/colors/c...cfm?ColorID=39
>
> I love it with our maple cabinets.
>
> gloria p

That must be a nice combination. Have you worked on that counter
enough to comment on any pros and cons?

--
Jean B.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 01 Dec 2009 07:31:28p, Jean B. told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> I meant to add that I really like the pattern your mentioned. It's
>>> actually rather similar to the laminate surface I have in my present
>>> kitchen, at least in color/pattern.
>>>
>> What is it that you have, Wayne?
>>
>
> I don't remember the brand, Jean. We picked it out at the builder's design
> center.
>
> On second thought, it doesn't really look that much like the sample you
> pointed out. I do know that it's a premium quality laminate with
> color/pattern all the way through. The finish is a low sheen, as though it
> were polished to a lustre, and the surface is lightly textured. When they
> fabricated the countertop, they made the edge 2-1/4" tall, making the
> countertop look quite thick. We have a row of limestone tile as the
> backsplash.
>
> My camera is working again, but it's older and only 2 megapixel resolution,
> so this is not the best of pictures, but perhaps it will give you an idea
> of what it looks like.
>
> http://tinypic.com/r/o94d38/6
>

Ooooo, I LIKE that a lot!

More pondering... I just had a wee thought--more about the
hardness of some of these counters. Just as I have not had a
glossy counter, I also have not had a rock-hard counter. I am
used to counters that are a bit forgiving when you put things on
them. No, I don't whack things down, but I wonder how careful one
must be on other counters?

--
Jean B.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Tue 01 Dec 2009 07:30:53p, Jean B. told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>>> If I could afford it, I would still probabaly not opt for granite or
>>> another stone. I do like many laminates and they are inexpensive
>>> enough to afford changing if you grow tired of it or it becomes
>>> terribly damaged. While I do like laminates, I can't say that I care
>>> much for the one Sheldon has, as I find the color off-putting.
>>> However, color/pattern choice is a very subjective and personal thing.
>>>
>>> I did have one kitchen where Ihad a Wilsonart solid-surface countertop
>>> installed with an integrated sink. I really did like that.
>>>
>> Thanks for the comments, Wayne. Who knows what little tidbit will
>> come in handy!
>>
>
> There are so many decisions to be made when renovating a kitchen, no matter
> what size it is. In fact, smaller kitchens usually offer more challenges
> for ingenious solutions.
>
Oh, this one has plenty of challenges. In addition the the general
size, one major lower cabinet has what would be basically
inaccessible space in it--and an upper one is so narrow, it is
practically unusable--and also leading to an inaccessible area.
Whoever designed this kitchen should be shot.

--
Jean B.

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Om wrote:
>
>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I replaced my
>>> kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite. I dislike stainless
>>> steel appliances, too. (Stainless is so cold and impersonal
>>> looking.) There's nothing wrong with formica. If it ain't broke,
>>> don't pay to fix it
>>
>> I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.
>
> Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?
>
> Bob

I have a butcher block top on my peninsula cabinet....

--
Jean B.

sf wrote:

> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
> they have one. A single (deep) sink is very practical. For instance,
> I can lay my half sheet professional cookie sheet on the bottom of my
> current sink (which is smaller than the previous one) and still have
> room to spare around it.

Given the choice, I'd have three separate rooms: a prep station, a scullery,
and a kitchen. While I'm at it, I'd like all the children in the world to
join hands and sing in the spirit of harmony and peace.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPVuHP3OXk0

Bob

Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> Given the choice, I'd have three separate rooms: a prep station, a
> scullery,
> and a kitchen.

We have a utility room off the kitchen that we have used as a scullery a
few times. It has a countertop with cupboards and a large sink that has
a spray attachment. I am guessing they put a large sink in there so I
could wash out turnip greens or somethin'. lol It has come in handy,
though.


Becca

On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 05:06:18 -0500, "jmcquown" >
wrote:

>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>>>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>>>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>>>> they have one.
>>>
>>>One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>>>
>> Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
>> dishwasher?"
>>
>> --
>
>Good reason: one sink to drain/dry dishes in. I don't always use my
>dishwasher. I usually wash dishes and pots by hand. It's one thing I
>disliked about my apartment in TN: only one large sink. I had to set the
>dish rack off to the side, taking up much needed counterspace. Yes, I had a
>dishwasher. But it took a week to fill it up enough to make it economical
>to bother running it. I'd rather have two sinks, one for the dish drainer
>the other to wash dishes in. (I'd actually like three sinks... one nice and
>deep for stock pots and large roasting pans and baking dishes.)
>
IOW: You use two sinks as if you don't own a dishwasher.


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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:05:09 -0500, Goomba >
wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>>>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>>>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>>>> they have one.
>>> One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>>>
>> Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
>> dishwasher?"
>>
>Duh.. one sink is in constant use, the other has a rack that is sunken
>down into it and any hand washed items can sit there draining with the
>other sink not tied up.
>It isn't brain surgery.

So, you're the same as Jill. You use it as if you have no dishwasher.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

In article >,
"Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:

> Om wrote:
>
> >>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
> >>
> >> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I replaced my
> >> kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite. I dislike stainless steel
> >> appliances, too. (Stainless is so cold and impersonal looking.) There's
> >> nothing wrong with formica. If it ain't broke, don't pay to fix it
> >
> > I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.
>
> Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?
>
> Bob

Wood tends to swell. My countertops get wet all the time. Yes, I do dry
them off but not immediately. I'd personally be a bit leery of a solid
wood countertop.
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In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > Om wrote:
> >
> >>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I replaced my
> >>> kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite. I dislike stainless
> >>> steel appliances, too. (Stainless is so cold and impersonal
> >>> looking.) There's nothing wrong with formica. If it ain't broke,
> >>> don't pay to fix it
> >>
> >> I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.
> >
> > Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?
> >
> > Bob
>
> I have a butcher block top on my peninsula cabinet....

And I have a butcher block top on top of the small wheeled cart I use to
store stuff, and as extra counterspace as needed. Most of the time, my
table top roaster "lives" there...

I like it, but wood not trust it as a countertop, but that's just me!
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On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:11:25 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:

>Oh, this one has plenty of challenges. In addition the the general
>size, one major lower cabinet has what would be basically
>inaccessible space in it--and an upper one is so narrow, it is
>practically unusable--and also leading to an inaccessible area.
>Whoever designed this kitchen should be shot.

Take a look at cabinets, Jean! There are answers to those problems.

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Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Omelet wrote on Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:34:31 -0600:

>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> >> Om wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures
> >>>>> like that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I
> >>>> replaced my kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite.
> >>>> I dislike stainless steel appliances, too. (Stainless is
> >>>> so cold and impersonal looking.) There's nothing wrong
> >>>> with formica. If it ain't broke, don't pay to fix it
> >>>
> >>> I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.
> >>
> >> Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?
> >>
> >> Bob
>>
>> I have a butcher block top on my peninsula cabinet....

> And I have a butcher block top on top of the small wheeled
> cart I use to store stuff, and as extra counterspace as
> needed. Most of the time, my table top roaster "lives"
> there...

> I like it, but wood not trust it as a countertop, but that's
> just me! --

I had a more than an inch thick maple chopping block but that required
sterilization with bleach from time to time and, even if I did clean
and re-oil it, finally broke apart. The block had rubber feet to allow
it to dry out but even then required cleaning. I use plastic cutting
boards that can be washed in the dish washer.


--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> Om wrote:
>>
>>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I replaced my
>>>> kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite. I dislike stainless
>>>> steel appliances, too. (Stainless is so cold and impersonal looking.)
>>>> There's nothing wrong with formica. If it ain't broke, don't pay to
>>>> fix it
>>>
>>> I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.
>>
>> Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?
>>
>> Bob
>
> I have a butcher block top on my peninsula cabinet....
>

Germ factories.

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:48:10 -0500, "cybercat" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"sf" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:08:01 -0600, Andy > wrote:
>>>
>>>>One of these days I'm going to upgrade the kitchen sink from a twin SS
>>>>sink to a deep welled single commercial sink!
>>>
>>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>>> they have one.
>>
>>One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>>
> Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
> dishwasher?"
>

I like having one side for soaping and one for rinsing. I also like having
one free for, say, washing a chicken, if I have some cleaning project in the
other side, all soapy. I love my double porcelain sink.

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:58:53 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Sqwertz > wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:45:23 -0600, Omelet wrote:
>>
>> > My wood grain formica countertops currently look like hell, hence using
>> > either my black stove top, or a colored fabric drape for my
>> > backgrounds...
>>
>> I can get you laminate for about $.75/sqft. Just glue it down right
>> on top of the old stuff and weight it down with everything you can
>> think of for 45 minutes. Costs about $20-$25 for an average
>> L-shaped counter.
>
>I appreciate the offer, but I _really_ need an entire new countertop.
>The original one is that particle board stuff covered with the laminate
>and it's, well, it's just really needing replacement. ;-) Not falling
>apart or anything yet, but still.
>
>>
>> Forming a curved edge, if necessary, is the tricky part at home, but
>> you don't have to do that. You might be able to use a curling iron
>> or hair dryer - never tried it.
>>
>> -sw
>
>I really really really want tile or corian steve, but seriously, thanks
>for thinking of me. :-)

By the time new plastic laminate is needed the wooden countertop is
already shot too and also needs replacement... it's false economy to
cover over old laminate... and will most likely look terrible... would
be tantamont to resoling shoes over the old worn out soles. And
actually the entire new countertop with factory installed laminate
costs less than buying the laminate sheets separately and
applying it yourself... I learned that that the hard way with my last
kitchen, I ordered the new countertops with factory installed laminate
but decided to cover the wall from the backsplash to under the
cabinets myself. The plain full sheets of laminate cost more than had
I ordered it made to size and already glued to a thin matrix (would
have been smoother) along with the new countertops and from the
same lot number laminate. The sheets I bought were a different lot
number, close enough so that no one could tell unless I told them but
I could see the difference. Plus I had to buy an extra sheet to
minimize the seams so there was a lot of waste. Unless one is
experienced I would suggest that applying plastic laminate is not a
DIY project.

On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:09:53 -0700, "gloria.p" >
wrote:

>brooklyn1 wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:00:38 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>>> heh! That being said, I was in a kitchen design place today--just
>>> a preliminary reconnoitering. The countertop material that most
>>> appeals to me this far is Staron's Pebble Ebony.
>>>
>>> See:
>>>
>>> http://staron.com/colors.jsp
>>>
>>> That's a pretty lousy little picture though. It is black with
>>> mica-like speckles.
>>
>> It's too dark for my taste, and too shiny... would too easily show
>> pussycat paw prints. LOL I favor mid range to light coloring and I
>> like a little texture... I like to actually cook... I don't want
>> kitchen counters that would need the maintenance of a black stretch
>> limo, or a material that reminds me of a hearse.
>> Also check out the products at Formica.com.
>
>
>We just had our kitchen remodeled and chose:
>
>http://www.silestoneusa.com/colors/c...cfm?ColorID=39
>
>I love it with our maple cabinets.
>
>gloria p

Do you mean Kona Biege?

I like Stellar Fire... seems to be available in leather finish too.

sf wrote:

> So, you're the same as Jill. You use it as if you have no dishwasher.
>
Not at all. I use it to hold colanders of draining washed berries and
grapes so they're out of the way of the sink where I'm washing my hands,
my small cutting boards and knives that don't go into the dishwasher
often sit here waiting for use, I can lay items needing to defrost in
the rack and let them drain down the sink.

sf wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:11:25 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>
>> Oh, this one has plenty of challenges. In addition the the general
>> size, one major lower cabinet has what would be basically
>> inaccessible space in it--and an upper one is so narrow, it is
>> practically unusable--and also leading to an inaccessible area.
>> Whoever designed this kitchen should be shot.
>
> Take a look at cabinets, Jean! There are answers to those problems.
>
Yup. I may very well consult with a designer. Gee, this project
is growing.

--
Jean B.

"Jean B." > wrote in message
...
> sf wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:11:25 -0500, "Jean B." > wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, this one has plenty of challenges. In addition the the general size,
>>> one major lower cabinet has what would be basically inaccessible space
>>> in it--and an upper one is so narrow, it is practically unusable--and
>>> also leading to an inaccessible area. Whoever designed this kitchen
>>> should be shot.
>>
>> Take a look at cabinets, Jean! There are answers to those problems.
>>
> Yup. I may very well consult with a designer. Gee, this project is
> growing.
>
I have cabinets similar to yours. I love the ones I have seen in newer
houses that have pull-out, revolving racks.

"brooklyn1" > wrote in message
...

Plus I had to buy an extra sheet to
> minimize the seams so there was a lot of waste. Unless one is
> experienced I would suggest that applying plastic laminate is not a
> DIY project.
>

Boy, ya got that right. I built some store counters with laminate tops
back in the '70's. LOTS of work: dowels, double adhesive applications,
once they're down, they're DOWN & then ya gotta weight 'em overnight.
*THEN* ya gotta use a router to get that edge just right & don't forget the
real 1.5" edge which has to mate with the top. . .

Don't think I'll ever attempt that again! There is NO room for a mistake.

Van

jmcquown wrote:
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>> I can understand why people would want two sinks if they don't have a
>>>> dishwasher, but I'll never understand why they want two sinks when
>>>> they have one.
>>>
>>> One washes things that do not go in the dishwasher in one's sink. :
>>>
>> Granted, but my question is "Why do you need TWO sinks when you have a
>> dishwasher?"
>>
>> --
>
> Good reason: one sink to drain/dry dishes in. I don't always use my
> dishwasher. I usually wash dishes and pots by hand. It's one thing I
> disliked about my apartment in TN: only one large sink. I had to set the
> dish rack off to the side, taking up much needed counterspace. Yes, I
> had a dishwasher. But it took a week to fill it up enough to make it
> economical to bother running it. I'd rather have two sinks, one for the
> dish drainer the other to wash dishes in. (I'd actually like three
> sinks... one nice and deep for stock pots and large roasting pans and
> baking dishes.)
>
> Jill

The drama of living alone...

Rob

On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:32:58 -0600, Omelet >
wrote:

>In article >,
> "Bob Terwilliger" > wrote:
>
>> Om wrote:
>>
>> >>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures like that.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I replaced my
>> >> kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite. I dislike stainless steel
>> >> appliances, too. (Stainless is so cold and impersonal looking.) There's
>> >> nothing wrong with formica. If it ain't broke, don't pay to fix it
>> >
>> > I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.
>>
>> Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?
>>
>> Bob
>
>Wood tends to swell.

They also tend to smell.

>My countertops get wet all the time. Yes, I do dry
>them off but not immediately. I'd personally be a bit leery of a solid
>wood countertop.

No one has all their kitchen counters of butcher block, it was the
style some 30+ years ago to have one small section with built in
butcher block, but no one does that anymore. It's much simpler to use
a quality portable butcher block one can clean in a sink and stow in a
cabinet when not in use... and some folks have rolling carts with a
butcher block top, but rarely do they get used for food, mostly just
decorative. Not even real butcher shops use wooden work surfaces
anymore... today they all use plastic.

brooklyn1 wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:09:53 -0700, "gloria.p" >
> wrote:

>>
>> We just had our kitchen remodeled and chose:
>>
>> http://www.silestoneusa.com/colors/c...cfm?ColorID=39
>>
>> I love it with our maple cabinets.
>>
>> gloria p
>
> Do you mean Kona Biege?

Yes.

>
> I like Stellar Fire... seems to be available in leather finish too.

My kitchen is too small for all that color. I use to say "too
dark" but new windows and additional lighting have helped a lot.

gloria p

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 02 Dec 2009 07:09:05a, Jean B. told us...
>
>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Tue 01 Dec 2009 07:31:28p, Jean B. told us...
>>>
>>>> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> I meant to add that I really like the pattern your mentioned. It's
>>>>> actually rather similar to the laminate surface I have in my present
>>>>> kitchen, at least in color/pattern.
>>>>>
>>>> What is it that you have, Wayne?
>>>>
>>> I don't remember the brand, Jean. We picked it out at the builder's
>>> design center.
>>>
>>> On second thought, it doesn't really look that much like the sample you
>>> pointed out. I do know that it's a premium quality laminate with
>>> color/pattern all the way through. The finish is a low sheen, as
>>> though it were polished to a lustre, and the surface is lightly
>>> textured. When they fabricated the countertop, they made the edge
>>> 2-1/4" tall, making the countertop look quite thick. We have a row of
>>> limestone tile as the backsplash.
>>>
>>> My camera is working again, but it's older and only 2 megapixel
>>> resolution, so this is not the best of pictures, but perhaps it will
>>> give you an idea of what it looks like.
>>>
>>> http://tinypic.com/r/o94d38/6
>>>
>> Ooooo, I LIKE that a lot!
>>
>> More pondering... I just had a wee thought--more about the
>> hardness of some of these counters. Just as I have not had a
>> glossy counter, I also have not had a rock-hard counter. I am
>> used to counters that are a bit forgiving when you put things on
>> them. No, I don't whack things down, but I wonder how careful one
>> must be on other counters?
>>
>
> I've found both Corian and good quality laminates very forgiving. Granite,
> marble, and other stones actually can crack or chip given whatever abuse
> they incur. I use glass protector sheets at strategic places where I would
> expect to move hot pans. The two worst enemies of laminates are extreme
> hehat and knives.
>
It sounds like all surfaces need to be protected in some way. The
only thing I have found to be very attractive thus far, as in I
will get it if it goes with whatever cabinets etc. settle on, is
cork flooring.

--
Jean B.

In article >,
"James Silverton" > wrote:

> Omelet wrote on Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:34:31 -0600:
>
> >> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
> > >> Om wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>> Change out that nasty Formica before you take pictures
> > >>>>> like that.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks, Ruth! I dislike granite countertops. Even if I
> > >>>> replaced my kitchen counters it wouldn't be with granite.
> > >>>> I dislike stainless steel appliances, too. (Stainless is
> > >>>> so cold and impersonal looking.) There's nothing wrong
> > >>>> with formica. If it ain't broke, don't pay to fix it
> > >>>
> > >>> I personally want a tiled countertop. Alternately, Corian.
> > >>
> > >> Am I the only one who likes butcher block countertops?
> > >>
> > >> Bob
> >>
> >> I have a butcher block top on my peninsula cabinet....
>
> > And I have a butcher block top on top of the small wheeled
> > cart I use to store stuff, and as extra counterspace as
> > needed. Most of the time, my table top roaster "lives"
> > there...
>
> > I like it, but wood not trust it as a countertop, but that's
> > just me! --
>
> I had a more than an inch thick maple chopping block but that required
> sterilization with bleach from time to time and, even if I did clean
> and re-oil it, finally broke apart. The block had rubber feet to allow
> it to dry out but even then required cleaning. I use plastic cutting
> boards that can be washed in the dish washer.

I have a couple of solid oak boards and one nice pine one. The largest
oak cutting board is one I made myself from a piece of 1" x 12" oak.
It's tougher than the other two commercial made ones. :-)

I just scrub and rinse off my cutting boards when I'm done with them and
set them on their sides beside the dish drainer to dry. I bleach them
with lemon juice or vinegar as needed, and bleach only if they get a bad
stain.
--
Peace! Om

"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down."
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