Dave Smith wrote:
> Stan Horwitz wrote:
>
>> For example, if a salad or a sandwich costs an extra $1 or $2 at an
>> airport, is that really such a big deal?
>
>
>
> Of course not. When you have a captive audience, by all means, gouge
> them. They deserve it.

Often the blame rests squarely with the local weasel politicians who add
extra little "hidden" taxes on everything thinking everyone is stupid
and just won't notice. One of the favorites for that is airports and car
rentals. If you were a merchant that had say two locations (one airport,
one off airport) and you were hit with additional "hidden" taxes and
fees at the airport location would you charge more at that location?

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:15:28 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

>In article >,
> Michael Horowitz > wrote:
>
>> Having just flown IAD-ABQ and noticed the in-flight box lunches they
>> offer, I was wondering what you pack to eat during the flight.
>> Can't be anything TSA wouldn't allow, so a bottle of water is out,
>
>Water can be bought once you've cleared security --stuff bought on that
>side of the gate can go onboard.

I bring an empty water bottle through security and have never had a
problem there. I just fill it on from a fountain on the gate-side.
>
>I like to bring a couple apples and some trail mix.

I always travel with similar snacks.

Boron

How about a couple of Power Bar type things - easy to carry, no heat
or cold source needed. Would they be allowed?

I'd just eat before takeoff - no?

INfrequent Flyer

Van wrote:
> "Michael Horowitz" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Having just flown IAD-ABQ and noticed the in-flight box lunches they
>> offer, I was wondering what you pack to eat during the flight.
>>
>
> Why do you NEED to eat during the flight??
>
> As an adult (traveling with no kids), I can wait until I get to my
> destination before requiring a meal!!

Where I live, we have a local airport, but the airfare costs twice as
the other airports. The Dallas airport is 3.5 hours away, Houston is 4
hours away and New Orleans is 5 hours away. We do a helluva lot of
driving before we even get to the airport, then we have a 2 hour wait.


Now consider that one of you is gluten intolerant, so no bread,
biscuits, pizza crust, or breaded foods, and the other one is on a low
carb diet. We usually manage to find something to eat before we get to
the airport, but not always, and not on connecting flights. In May, our
flights home from Alaska seemed to take forever, a lot of that was due
to the time change, plus we had connecting flights. We made it to New
Orleans around 11:00 at night and I was pretty tired.


In a few weeks, we are flying to Puerto Rico out of the local airport.
The fares were unreal, but what the heck. lol We will have a lot less
driving.


Becca

Stan Horwitz > wrote:

> "James Silverton" > wrote:

>> I'd suggest that your notions of expense are delusional. Routine food at
>> twice its real value seems to be the norm at airports.

>That's not been my experience. In PHL, the food prices at the
>restaurants are priced the same as anywhere else in the city. I fly a
>few times a year. The food at most airports is higher than in the
>nearest city, but I wouldn't say its double the price. Besides, on a
>trip that requires air travel, paying an extra few dollars of a sandwich
>or something else at an airport isn't worth worrying about.

>For example, if a salad or a sandwich costs an extra $1 or $2 at an
>airport, is that really such a big deal?

If you travel a lot, and your budget is reasonably slender, yes it
can add up.

I can't eat out at known good restaurants as often as I wish, so
why make the equation even worse by buying airport food?

Not that all airport food everywhere is not worth it. There are
a scattering of acceptable places. The Ebisu at SFO, or the
Wolfgang Pucks' at various airports such as DIA. But you cannot
necessarily plan on these, as unseen delays may put you in a
crunch for getting on your flight.

Steve

George wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> Stan Horwitz wrote:
>>
>>> For example, if a salad or a sandwich costs an extra $1 or $2 at an
>>> airport, is that really such a big deal?
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course not. When you have a captive audience, by all means, gouge
>> them. They deserve it.
>
> Often the blame rests squarely with the local weasel politicians who add
> extra little "hidden" taxes on everything thinking everyone is stupid
> and just won't notice. One of the favorites for that is airports and car
> rentals. If you were a merchant that had say two locations (one airport,
> one off airport) and you were hit with additional "hidden" taxes and
> fees at the airport location would you charge more at that location?
>

That would be gouging. It may not be the food vendors themselves who are
jacking up the prices in order to gouge the travellers. The airport
authorities may be the people to blame. Food services pay rent in all
sorts of high rent locations. Since I rarely eat any franchise type fast
food I don't know if a place like McDonalds charges for for their
burgers and drinks in an outlet in a mall or on a main downtown prime
real estate location than they do in a small town setting with cheap
rent. It has been my experience that anything you buy in an airport
restaurant is expensive. Someone is putting the squeeze on the
travellers and they are a captive audience.

Some of the European airports I have been through had pretty good food
at reasonable prices. Train stations tended to be great prices. When I
was in Copenhagen last year we had some excellent coffee and pastries in
the train station and for less than other places in the city. We had a
buffet lunch in one train station for much less than it would cost in
most restaurants.

On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 20:52:02 -0800, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:26:18 -0700, "gloria.p" >
>wrote:
>
>>sf wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> Why do people want to eat on a flight that is less than 5 hours long?
>>
>>Because they must arrive at the airport two hours ahead of the
>>flight which may mean leaving home many more hours prior? And
>>they may be transferring to another flight (with not much time
>>between) which adds additional time to their fasting period.
>
>Arriving that far ahead of time means there's plenty of time to eat at
>the airport before the flight takes off. Not planning a liberal lay
>over for change of flights not only means no snacking, it also means
>you may not make your connecting flight. So, it's bad planning IMO...
>especially for those who just *have* to eat every two minutes.
>
>>Luckily most foreign flights do serve food and it's not that bad.
>>Our last flights included a choice of Bailey's or cognac after
>>meals and complementary wine with dinner.
>>
>Nice. Which airline? Business class?

I must be odd, but I have never minded airplane food. Of course it
has taken a nose dive in the last 5 years and rarer---sometimes I
actually get hungry in anticipation of landing. I have always found
airplane food breaks up the monotony of flying. Everything seems
tasty and served is such cute amounts.

aloha,
Cea

George wrote:

I think airport food is a "what the market will bear" scenario more than
an "offsetting higher costs" scenario.

> rentals. If you were a merchant that had say two locations (one airport,
> one off airport) and you were hit with additional "hidden" taxes and
> fees at the airport location would you charge more at that location?

Depends.

If you were an airline and had one predictably low-drama passenger and a
proven PITA that consumes 70% of some attendant's time, would you charge
the latter more?

If you were an rental car company at an airport and knew that some
demographic was costing you more money but the demographic was not
separable for political/optics reasons, would you charge them more?

I bring these up because there are reasons that companies sometimes
choose to have some customers subsidize other ones instead of raising
the price where costs are really higher. Not saying it's right, just
saying that higher airport prices are not necessarily a given.

pure wrote on Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:19:33 -1000:

>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:26:18 -0700, "gloria.p"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why do people want to eat on a flight that is less than 5
>>>> hours long?
>>>
>>> Because they must arrive at the airport two hours ahead of
>>> the flight which may mean leaving home many more hours
>>> prior? And they may be transferring to another flight (with
>>> not much time between) which adds additional time to their
>>> fasting period.
>>
>> Arriving that far ahead of time means there's plenty of time
>> to eat at the airport before the flight takes off. Not
>> planning a liberal lay over for change of flights not only
>> means no snacking, it also means you may not make your
>> connecting flight. So, it's bad planning IMO... especially
>> for those who just *have* to eat every two minutes.
>>
>>> Luckily most foreign flights do serve food and it's not that
>>> bad. Our last flights included a choice of Bailey's or
>>> cognac after meals and complementary wine with dinner.
>>>
>> Nice. Which airline? Business class?

> I must be odd, but I have never minded airplane food. Of course it
> has taken a nose dive in the last 5 years and
> rarer---sometimes I actually get hungry in anticipation of
> landing. I have always found airplane food breaks up the
> monotony of flying. Everything seems tasty and served is such
> cute amounts.

In the days when you could get it, airline food did break up the routine
of reading, sleeping and not watching the usually abysmal movie.
However, the food was bland and rather unchanging in my opinion. It was
not perhaps the fried chicken of decades ago that I swear I ate over
every state in the union.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:19:33 -1000, pure kona >
wrote:

>I have always found
>airplane food breaks up the monotony of flying.

That's the only reason I can come up with for serving food on short
flights.

>Everything seems tasty and served is such cute amounts.

The food can be tasty if you choose well. To be honest, I like the
packaging better than the food. I snagged one of the black
rectangular "bowls" that salad came in and used it to stow my watch
and ring when I took them off at night. It's on top of my dresser now
serving as a catch all.


--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

pure kona wrote:
> I must be odd, but I have never minded airplane food. Of course it
> has taken a nose dive in the last 5 years and rarer---sometimes I
> actually get hungry in anticipation of landing. I have always found
> airplane food breaks up the monotony of flying. Everything seems
> tasty and served is such cute amounts.
>
> aloha,
> Cea
>

On an early flight, they were serving breakfast. They served apples
that were so small, if I had two of them I could've had earrings. :-)


Becca

Andy > wrote:

>I once sat across the aisle from a women who was positively livid about the
>slow service. Her blood must've been boiling. It was like she was shouting
>in my ear. I tried to ignore her but I finally couldn't stand it any longer
>and I turned and cheerfully looked her straight in the face, complete eye
>contact and I said, pointing, "think of the people down in luggage!"

You're lucky this statement wasn't flagged as a homeland security
threat. Do NOT joke about stowaways!

Steve

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:19:33 -1000, pure kona >
> wrote:
>
>
>> I have always found
>> airplane food breaks up the monotony of flying.
>>
>
> That's the only reason I can come up with for serving food on short
> flights.

Continental still serves meals on flights during meal times, that are
over 2 hrs long. For lunch, it is usually a sandwich, chips, carrot
sticks w/dip, a cookie and candy.


Becca

On Dec 3, 4:42*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:18:14 -0800, Ranee at Arabian Knits
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
>
> >> Why do people want to eat on a flight that is less than 5 hours long?
> >> Watch a movie instead, eat in the airport before you take off if you
> >> want to eat that badly. *Airport food is pretty good over all and not
> >> very expensive anymore. *I had a fabulous burrito at O'Hare the last
> >> time I flew through there.
>
> > * Because you had to be at the airport 2 hours before, which required
> >getting up 2 or 3 hours before that, depending on how long your drive or
> >bus ride is to the airport. *And the flight was at 5:48 a.m., so you're
> >not exactly interested in eating before then. *Or it is at 3:00 p.m. and
> >you don't want to eat dinner at 2:00. *You can usually make better food
> >for less money than you'd pay at the airport (and no, I'm not counting
> >property tax, mortgage/rent or power in that), or you are looking for
> >something specific to eat. *There are a lot of reasons to bring food.
>
> It takes 5 hours to fly from the West Coast to the East Coast (IAD-ABQ
> is only 4 hours). *If we take a 6AM plane, we can either eat before we
> get on the plane of wait until we get off and we aren't going to
> starve.
>
> --
> I love cooking with wine.
> Sometimes I even put it in the food.

That's fine for you. Some people want or need to eat every few hours.
Some people prefer to eat on the plane to help pass the time. Why do
you care? Why is YOUR way the ONLY RIGHT WAY for people to behave?
Frankly, I find crying babies, whiney 4 year olds who kick the seats
in front of them, smelly unwashed grownups and the fat guy who really
should have bought two seats so he wouldn't have to stuff himself into
the narrow middle seat, all much more offensive and irritating than
people who enjoy a sandwich or some cheese and crackers on an
airplane.

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:09:13 -0800 (PST), none of your business
> wrote:

>all much more offensive and irritating than
>people who enjoy a sandwich or some cheese and crackers on an
>airplane.

Nobody said they were annoying, that's your own prejudice.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

jmcquown wrote:

> I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
> Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>
> Jill

What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?

Rob

Rob wrote:
>
> jmcquown wrote:
>
> > I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
> > Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>
> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?

Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts
next to them.

On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:40 -0800, Mark Thorson >
wrote:

>Rob wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> > I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
>> > Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>>
>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
>
>Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts
>next to them.

Yeah, yeah, we've all heard about people being affected by peanut
fumes but who actually knows someone who is?

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:40 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:
>
>> Rob wrote:
>>>
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from
>>>> Memphis. Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>>>
>>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
>>
>> Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts
>> next to them.
>
> Yeah, yeah, we've all heard about people being affected by peanut
> fumes but who actually knows someone who is?

I think I saw one on that Airline show. But peanut fumes are the
reason a lot of schools ban PB&J. Just the fumes can kill someone.

nancy

On Dec 3, 5:20*pm, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:10:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >sf wrote:
> >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:32:37 -0500, Michael Horowitz
> >> > wrote:
>
> >>> Having just flown IAD-ABQ and noticed the in-flight box lunches they
> >>> offer, I was wondering what you pack to eat during the flight.
> >>> Can't be anything TSA wouldn't allow, so a bottle of water is out, but
> >>> sliced tomato with mozzarella and balsamic vinegar is in, as is a
> >>> small pack of carrots; a candelabra is out; crackers, cheese, salami
> >>> is good; buy wine on board. a cookie is good.
>
> >> Why do people want to eat on a flight that is less than 5 hours long?
> >> Watch a movie instead, eat in the airport before you take off if you
> >> want to eat that badly. *Airport food is pretty good over all and not
> >> very expensive anymore. *I had a fabulous burrito at O'Hare the last
> >> time I flew through there.
>
> >It is not just the flight time. There is the time it takes to get to the
> >airport, being there early, layovers, possible *delays. Last we we flew
> > *Estonia and Scandinavia. That involved leaving here to an airport and
> >hour and a half from home and allowing extra time for traffic problems
> >and to get parking lot and over to the airport 2-3 hours ahead of the
> >flight time. *A few years before that we flew Buffalo to Denver with a
> >connection in Cleveland. It is at least an hour to the airport, provided
> >that it is clear sailing through the border, which it often isn't. We
> >were told to be there an hour before the flight. *We had a layover in
> >Cleveland, then another 3 hour flight. The food on each of the two
> >flights snacks. *I suppose we could have had some expensive crappy fast
> >food at the airport. While flying time was four hours total, it was more
> >like 8 hours from the time we left home until we arrived very hungry in
> >Denver.
>
> Not relevant and a sob story I can top. *The OP was about a FOUR hour
> flight IAD-ABQ.

Which, with the drive to the airport, the 2 hour wait, and then the 4
hour flight, is at minimum 7 hours, unless like me you live 6 minutes
from the local airport. <g>

maxine in ri

sf wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:40 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> wrote:
>
>> Rob wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
>>>> Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
>> Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts
>> next to them.
>
> Yeah, yeah, we've all heard about people being affected by peanut
> fumes but who actually knows someone who is?
>

My son is allergic to nuts, not peanuts, and the smell alone is enough
to make him uncomfortable.

Tracy

On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 06:16:39 -0800 (PST), maxine in ri
> wrote:

>On Dec 3, 5:20*pm, sf > wrote:
>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:10:24 -0500, Dave Smith
>>
>>
>>
>> > wrote:
>> >sf wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:32:37 -0500, Michael Horowitz
>> >> > wrote:
>>
>> >>> Having just flown IAD-ABQ and noticed the in-flight box lunches they
>> >>> offer, I was wondering what you pack to eat during the flight.
>> >>> Can't be anything TSA wouldn't allow, so a bottle of water is out, but
>> >>> sliced tomato with mozzarella and balsamic vinegar is in, as is a
>> >>> small pack of carrots; a candelabra is out; crackers, cheese, salami
>> >>> is good; buy wine on board. a cookie is good.
>>
>> >> Why do people want to eat on a flight that is less than 5 hours long?
>> >> Watch a movie instead, eat in the airport before you take off if you
>> >> want to eat that badly. *Airport food is pretty good over all and not
>> >> very expensive anymore. *I had a fabulous burrito at O'Hare the last
>> >> time I flew through there.
>>
>> >It is not just the flight time. There is the time it takes to get to the
>> >airport, being there early, layovers, possible *delays. Last we we flew
>> > *Estonia and Scandinavia. That involved leaving here to an airport and
>> >hour and a half from home and allowing extra time for traffic problems
>> >and to get parking lot and over to the airport 2-3 hours ahead of the
>> >flight time. *A few years before that we flew Buffalo to Denver with a
>> >connection in Cleveland. It is at least an hour to the airport, provided
>> >that it is clear sailing through the border, which it often isn't. We
>> >were told to be there an hour before the flight. *We had a layover in
>> >Cleveland, then another 3 hour flight. The food on each of the two
>> >flights snacks. *I suppose we could have had some expensive crappy fast
>> >food at the airport. While flying time was four hours total, it was more
>> >like 8 hours from the time we left home until we arrived very hungry in
>> >Denver.
>>
>> Not relevant and a sob story I can top. *The OP was about a FOUR hour
>> flight IAD-ABQ.
>
>Which, with the drive to the airport, the 2 hour wait, and then the 4
>hour flight, is at minimum 7 hours, unless like me you live 6 minutes
>from the local airport. <g>
>
Personally, even 7 hours without food wouldn't phase me. BTDT So if
eating is *that* important, there are 24 hour restaurants to stop at
before the airport and plenty of places inside the airport to eat in
around the clock.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:21:37 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Fri 04 Dec 2009 11:46:53p, sf told us...
>
>> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:40 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Rob wrote:
>>>>
>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
>>>> > Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>>>>
>>>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
>>>
>>>Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts next to them.
>>
>> Yeah, yeah, we've all heard about people being affected by peanut
>> fumes but who actually knows someone who is?
>>
>
>OFGS, if you protected every single person from every possible thing that
>might harm somneone, there whouldn't be anything left.

Hubby is laughing over all the silly warning labels that come on
everything now. Words to the effect of "swallowing this object may be
hazardous to your health" on something weird, like a hammer.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:52:29 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> wrote:

>I think I saw one on that Airline show. But peanut fumes are the
>reason a lot of schools ban PB&J. Just the fumes can kill someone.

I've heard that too, fortunately this district isn't that "nutty" yet.

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

sf wrote:
> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:21:37 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>> On Fri 04 Dec 2009 11:46:53p, sf told us...
>>
>>> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:40 -0800, Mark Thorson >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rob wrote:
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
>>>>>> Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>>>>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
>>>> Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts next to them.
>>> Yeah, yeah, we've all heard about people being affected by peanut
>>> fumes but who actually knows someone who is?
>>>
>> OFGS, if you protected every single person from every possible thing that
>> might harm somneone, there whouldn't be anything left.
>
> Hubby is laughing over all the silly warning labels that come on
> everything now. Words to the effect of "swallowing this object may be
> hazardous to your health" on something weird, like a hammer.
>

It would be. No doubt that company experienced a lawsuit where someone
swallowed a tool they manufacture. So now everything they make wears
that label. Just consider there are lots of folks who think they should
never be responsible for their own actions. And also consider there are
lots of attorneys who have set up shop solely to "protect" those folks.

At a former employer we used to subscribe to a publication that detailed
the absolutely amazing product liability suits that were brought against
manufacturers.

In article >,
George > wrote:

> Dave Smith wrote:
> > Stan Horwitz wrote:
> >
> >> For example, if a salad or a sandwich costs an extra $1 or $2 at an
> >> airport, is that really such a big deal?
> >
> >
> >
> > Of course not. When you have a captive audience, by all means, gouge
> > them. They deserve it.
>
> Often the blame rests squarely with the local weasel politicians who add
> extra little "hidden" taxes on everything thinking everyone is stupid
> and just won't notice. One of the favorites for that is airports and car
> rentals. If you were a merchant that had say two locations (one airport,
> one off airport) and you were hit with additional "hidden" taxes and
> fees at the airport location would you charge more at that location?

Right. At PHL, they don't do that. In fact, any food retailer at PHL is
required by Philadelphia to charge street prices for their food.

http://www.philamarketplace.com/info/FAQ.cfm?#Q10

http://www.phl.org/news/030323.html

Thanks to a penchant for traveling, having relatives who live far from
from Philadelphia, and a dad who hates to drive, I have been flying in
and out of PHL since age 9. Being as though I am 48 now, that means I
have been using PHL for nearly 30 years with an average of three or four
times a year.

In its current configuration, PHL is lightyears a head of where it was
for passengers' convenience and comfort than it was even a few years
ago. For example, in the concourse by terminal C, there are numerous
rocking chairs where one can sit and relax during those periods when
flights are delayed and a nice food court and several full service
restaurants.

Once about four years ago, just as I arrived at PHL for an 8:00am flight
to Salt Lake City for a business meeting, snow started to fall. It was a
blinding blizzard that brought the airport to a halt. I didn't want to
pay to take a shuttle bus back home, so I took out my laptop, sat in one
of those rocking chairs and I caught up on a lot of reading via the
wi-fi. Before I knew it, about four hours passed so I got something for
lunch, then I walked the length of the airport three or four times
before I ended up at the international terminal where they have the most
comfortable waiting area chairs and I sat there for at least another two
hours reading. My flight out of PHL ended up being delayed by the snow
for 8 hours, then when I arrived at Denver for the second leg of my
trip, that flight was delayed two hours, so by the time I got to my
hotel in Provo, I had been traveling for something like 12 hours, but it
wasn't bad at all waiting thanks to the accommodations at PHL.

Tracy wrote:
>
> sf wrote:
> > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:40 -0800, Mark Thorson >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Rob wrote:
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
> >>>> Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
> >>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
> >> Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts
> >> next to them.
> >
> > Yeah, yeah, we've all heard about people being affected by peanut
> > fumes but who actually knows someone who is?
> >
>
> My son is allergic to nuts, not peanuts, and the smell alone is enough
> to make him uncomfortable.

I'm not allergic, but peanut breath from someone
sitting next to me on an airplane makes me gag.
Good riddance to airline peanuts!

"Michael Horowitz" > wrote in message
...
> Having just flown IAD-ABQ and noticed the in-flight box lunches they
> offer, I was wondering what you pack to eat during the flight.
> Can't be anything TSA wouldn't allow, so a bottle of water is out, but
> sliced tomato with mozzarella and balsamic vinegar is in, as is a
> small pack of carrots; a candelabra is out; crackers, cheese, salami
> is good; buy wine on board. a cookie is good.
>
> Ideas? - Mike

When we felt that we might get hungry, we usually buy a bag of chips or can
of Pringles at the airport. Order a beer on board, and have a great snack.
I do miss the olden days when we traveled so much that we had upgrades
available pretty much all of the time.

Dale P
>

Stan Horwitz wrote:
> Right. At PHL, they don't do that. In fact, any food retailer at PHL is
> required by Philadelphia to charge street prices for their food.
>
> http://www.philamarketplace.com/info/FAQ.cfm?#Q10
>
> http://www.phl.org/news/030323.html
>
> Thanks to a penchant for traveling, having relatives who live far from
> from Philadelphia, and a dad who hates to drive, I have been flying in
> and out of PHL since age 9. Being as though I am 48 now, that means I
> have been using PHL for nearly 30 years with an average of three or four
> times a year.
>
> In its current configuration, PHL is lightyears a head of where it was
> for passengers' convenience and comfort than it was even a few years
> ago. For example, in the concourse by terminal C, there are numerous
> rocking chairs where one can sit and relax during those periods when
> flights are delayed and a nice food court and several full service
> restaurants.
>
> Once about four years ago, just as I arrived at PHL for an 8:00am flight
> to Salt Lake City for a business meeting, snow started to fall. It was a
> blinding blizzard that brought the airport to a halt. I didn't want to
> pay to take a shuttle bus back home, so I took out my laptop, sat in one
> of those rocking chairs and I caught up on a lot of reading via the
> wi-fi. Before I knew it, about four hours passed so I got something for
> lunch, then I walked the length of the airport three or four times
> before I ended up at the international terminal where they have the most
> comfortable waiting area chairs and I sat there for at least another two
> hours reading. My flight out of PHL ended up being delayed by the snow
> for 8 hours, then when I arrived at Denver for the second leg of my
> trip, that flight was delayed two hours, so by the time I got to my
> hotel in Provo, I had been traveling for something like 12 hours, but it
> wasn't bad at all waiting thanks to the accommodations at PHL.
>

It sounds like the PHL airport has a lot of advantages. Now, they
should work on getting people's luggage to them in a timely manner.


Becca

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 05 Dec 2009 07:53:33a, sf told us...

>> Hubby is laughing over all the silly warning labels that come on
>> everything now. Words to the effect of "swallowing this object may be
>> hazardous to your health" on something weird, like a hammer.
>
> It's a pandemic of insanity.
>
Not to mention "victimhood" and lack of personal responsibility.

sf wrote:

> Personally, even 7 hours without food wouldn't phase me. BTDT So if
> eating is *that* important, there are 24 hour restaurants to stop at
> before the airport and plenty of places inside the airport to eat in
> around the clock.
>


Try finding something to eat when your stuck overnight in the
terminal at O'Hare airport. (another reason that I hate Chicago)

Bob

Stan Horwitz wrote:
> In article >,
> George > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Stan Horwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> For example, if a salad or a sandwich costs an extra $1 or $2 at an
>>>> airport, is that really such a big deal?
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course not. When you have a captive audience, by all means, gouge
>>> them. They deserve it.
>> Often the blame rests squarely with the local weasel politicians who add
>> extra little "hidden" taxes on everything thinking everyone is stupid
>> and just won't notice. One of the favorites for that is airports and car
>> rentals. If you were a merchant that had say two locations (one airport,
>> one off airport) and you were hit with additional "hidden" taxes and
>> fees at the airport location would you charge more at that location?
>
> Right. At PHL, they don't do that. In fact, any food retailer at PHL is
> required by Philadelphia to charge street prices for their food.
>
> http://www.philamarketplace.com/info/FAQ.cfm?#Q10
>
> http://www.phl.org/news/030323.html
>
> Thanks to a penchant for traveling, having relatives who live far from
> from Philadelphia, and a dad who hates to drive, I have been flying in
> and out of PHL since age 9. Being as though I am 48 now, that means I
> have been using PHL for nearly 30 years with an average of three or four
> times a year.
>
> In its current configuration, PHL is lightyears a head of where it was
> for passengers' convenience and comfort than it was even a few years
> ago. For example, in the concourse by terminal C, there are numerous
> rocking chairs where one can sit and relax during those periods when
> flights are delayed and a nice food court and several full service
> restaurants.
>
> Once about four years ago, just as I arrived at PHL for an 8:00am flight
> to Salt Lake City for a business meeting, snow started to fall. It was a
> blinding blizzard that brought the airport to a halt. I didn't want to
> pay to take a shuttle bus back home, so I took out my laptop, sat in one
> of those rocking chairs and I caught up on a lot of reading via the
> wi-fi. Before I knew it, about four hours passed so I got something for
> lunch, then I walked the length of the airport three or four times
> before I ended up at the international terminal where they have the most
> comfortable waiting area chairs and I sat there for at least another two
> hours reading. My flight out of PHL ended up being delayed by the snow
> for 8 hours, then when I arrived at Denver for the second leg of my
> trip, that flight was delayed two hours, so by the time I got to my
> hotel in Provo, I had been traveling for something like 12 hours, but it
> wasn't bad at all waiting thanks to the accommodations at PHL.

I am wondering if Philly didn't do this to attract USAirways to use them
as a hub? I used to fly a lot (at least twice/week) and that was
typically USAir to somewhere via PIT. PIT was their former east coast hub.

I had read that the politicians in Allegheny County apparently never
read the Aesop fable about the goose that laid golden eggs so they kept
on jacking up the "hidden" fees. When USAir asked for relief they got
higher fees. I also read that after they merged with America West and
branded themselves as USAirways they explicitly thumbed their nose at
the Allegheny county politicians and made Philly their hub.

Dave Smith wrote:
> George wrote:
>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Stan Horwitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> For example, if a salad or a sandwich costs an extra $1 or $2 at an
>>>> airport, is that really such a big deal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course not. When you have a captive audience, by all means, gouge
>>> them. They deserve it.
>>
>> Often the blame rests squarely with the local weasel politicians who
>> add extra little "hidden" taxes on everything thinking everyone is
>> stupid and just won't notice. One of the favorites for that is
>> airports and car rentals. If you were a merchant that had say two
>> locations (one airport, one off airport) and you were hit with
>> additional "hidden" taxes and fees at the airport location would you
>> charge more at that location?
>>
>
> That would be gouging. It may not be the food vendors themselves who are
> jacking up the prices in order to gouge the travellers. The airport
> authorities may be the people to blame. Food services pay rent in all
> sorts of high rent locations. Since I rarely eat any franchise type fast
> food I don't know if a place like McDonalds charges for for their
> burgers and drinks in an outlet in a mall or on a main downtown prime
> real estate location than they do in a small town setting with cheap
> rent. It has been my experience that anything you buy in an airport
> restaurant is expensive. Someone is putting the squeeze on the
> travellers and they are a captive audience.

I know something about the behind the scenes part so that is why I
mentioned who is at fault. Politicians pile on "hidden" taxes somehow
thinking everyone is stupid and the merchant takes the blame when they
are forced to be a tax collector. It is just simple economics. If you
place a "hidden" tax on a business they need to recover it.

>
> Some of the European airports I have been through had pretty good food
> at reasonable prices. Train stations tended to be great prices. When I
> was in Copenhagen last year we had some excellent coffee and pastries in
> the train station and for less than other places in the city. We had a
> buffet lunch in one train station for much less than it would cost in
> most restaurants.

> > wrote:
>
>>OFGS, if you protected every single person from every possible thing that
>>might harm somneone, there whouldn't be anything left.
>

Did you know plastic bags are "not to be used as a toy?" I'm sorry, I don't
know anyone who would hand a child a plastic bag and say, here, play with
this! There are warning labels on everything these days. Do not use use
the blow dryer in the shower. Really? I thought I could blow dry my hair
with an electrical appliance while running water over myself. How about OTC
sleep aids with labels that say "Warning: may cause drowsiness". Well DUH


Have people gotten more stupid or are there just more personal injury
lawyers out there?

Jill

pure kona > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:55:06 GMT, PeterL > wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in
:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Have people gotten more stupid or are there just more personal injury
>>> lawyers out there?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Both.
>>
>>
> More cynically, I agree with a previous post in the thread where some
> one mentioned lack of personal responsibility. Instead of placing
> your finger on your chest, some people fling it outward to blame any
> issue. I've noticed that I don't particularly like those kind of
> people.
> fwiw
> aloha,
> Cea
>


Same same, Cea.

I've posted previously about "personal responsibility", and it's become a bit
of an issue over here, because now a drunk can't sue anyone if they get
injured whilst they are drunk. Common sense prevails at last!!

As to pointing, one thing that we were taught in the Army is that when you
want to point at someone, you tuck your thumb down into your palm and use all
remaining 4 (if you've got them!!) fingers together. *Never* a single finger,
as there's only one finger pointing forward, but 3 pointed back at you :-)


But onto coffee......... we watched an episode of Mecurio's Menu about Byron
Bay....

http://www.mercuriosmenu.com/

He visted a coffee plantation in the hills outside BB, and spoke with the
owner who said he'd taken some of his coffee to Kona, and rekoned that some
of the Kona people who tried it said it was just as good, if not better than
theirs!!

http://www.zentvelds.com/




--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia


If we are not meant to eat animals,
why are they made of meat?

pure kona > wrote:

>Just spent last night at the Volcano National Park Hotel, to celebrate
>our wedding anniversary, and was surprised to have to pay the
><transient tax> of 8.25% on top of our General Excise Tax of 4.166%.
>
>Holy moly, it is expensive to be a transient tourist in Hawaii.

Hopefully you were above invasive-frog line....


Steve

Steve wrote on Sun, 6 Dec 2009 00:51:58 +0000 (UTC):

>> Just spent last night at the Volcano National Park Hotel, to
>> celebrate our wedding anniversary, and was surprised to have
>> to pay the <transient tax> of 8.25% on top of our General
>> Excise Tax of 4.166%.
>>
>> Holy moly, it is expensive to be a transient tourist in
>> Hawaii.

> Hopefully you were above invasive-frog line....

Are these in addition to the Kama'aina prices I noticed in Maui (ie.
lower prices in stores for residents)?

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Dale P wrote:
> "Michael Horowitz" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Having just flown IAD-ABQ and noticed the in-flight box lunches they
>> offer, I was wondering what you pack to eat during the flight.
>> Can't be anything TSA wouldn't allow, so a bottle of water is out, but
>> sliced tomato with mozzarella and balsamic vinegar is in, as is a
>> small pack of carrots; a candelabra is out; crackers, cheese, salami
>> is good; buy wine on board. a cookie is good.
>>
>> Ideas? - Mike
>
> When we felt that we might get hungry, we usually buy a bag of chips or
> can of Pringles at the airport. Order a beer on board, and have a great
> snack. I do miss the olden days when we traveled so much that we had
> upgrades available pretty much all of the time.
>
> Dale P
>>
>
>

Real food in first class isn't guaranteed anymore. You are lucky to get
free drinks and an upgraded "snack". The hot towels have also seemed to
disappear - guess it doesn't matter if you're eating peanuts!

Rob

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>>
>> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from Memphis.
>>> Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>>
>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
>
> Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts
> next to them.

Second-hand peanut allergies? I hope you're joking! What next?

Rob

pure kona wrote:
> On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:52:29 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> > wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:43:40 -0800, Mark >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was surprised to get a bag of mixed nuts on a flight from
>>>>>> Memphis. Apparently some airlines don't care about nut allergies.
>>>>>
>>>>> What idiot would eat them if they knew they had an allergy?
>>>>
>>>> Some claim to be affected by people eating peanuts
>>>> next to them.
>>>
>>> Yeah, yeah, we've all heard about people being affected by peanut
>>> fumes but who actually knows someone who is?
>>
>> I think I saw one on that Airline show. But peanut fumes are the
>> reason a lot of schools ban PB&J. Just the fumes can kill someone.
>>
>> nancy
>
> I have to say, this peanut allergy may be real but it is rather new. I
> love peanuts and any nuts and my daughter who is 39 was practically
> raised on peanut butter and jelly and turned out very healthy. I owe
> her life, practically, to peanut butter.
>
> When raising my kids, I never heard of the peanut allergy. What's
> changed so significantly that people are afraid of peanuts??
>
> aloha,
> Cea

I agree with this post.

Rob