"edo" > wrote in message
news:966ba77b341f6ddbd3023918447472b0@cryptorebels .net...
> Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
>
> The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family
of
> a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
> ago.
> Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
> Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
>
> Thomas Baker's great-great-great-grandson, Dennis Russell, a miner from
> Brisbane, and 10 other family members plan to travel to Navatusila for the
> ceremony.

It's a trap. The Fijians are hungry.

Harry C.

Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji

The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family of
a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
ago.
Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.

The inhabitants of Navatusila on the island of Viti Levu believe their
village has been suffering bad luck ever since the cannibalism incident,
and hope saying sorry will help their fortunes.

There are various stories as to why Thomas Baker was killed and cooked by
the people of Navatusila on 21 July, 1867. Some say that he tried to take a
comb out of the village chief's hair, or a hat from his head, without
realising that touching a chief's head in Fiji is forbidden.



We believe we must have been cursed, and we must apologise for what
happened... When we have made the apology we will be clean again
Filimoni Nawawabalevu, chief of Navatusila
But others say that a wider power-struggle between different chiefs was to
blame.

Thomas Baker's great-great-great-grandson, Dennis Russell, a miner from
Brisbane, and 10 other family members plan to travel to Navatusila for the
ceremony.

It will take them five hours by four-wheel drive to get there, and the
final 3 or 4 kilometres of a makeshift road have reportedly only been
bulldozed in the last few days.

According to the French news agency AFP, the ceremony will begin with a
Christian church service and will be followed by an apology to the family
of Thomas Baker, and also to the paramount chief of the neighbouring
district who represents the Fijians killed in the incident.

Fiji's Prime Minister, Laisenia Qarase, is expected to attend.


We are facing so many hardships," Ratu, or chief, Filimoni Nawawabalevu
told AFP.

"We believe we must have been cursed, and we must apologise for what
happened... When we have made the apology we will be clean again," he said.

One villager who took part in the feast was quoted in contemporary accounts
as saying "we ate everything but his boots".

One of his boots is reportedly on display in the Fiji Museum.

Reverend Baker is one of the few recorded examples of a Westerner falling
victim to Fiji cannibals.

Cannibalism died out in Fiji in the mid-19th century with the end of
warring and the acceptance of Christianity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3263163.stm

"edo" > wrote in message
news:966ba77b341f6ddbd3023918447472b0@cryptorebels .net...
| Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
|
| The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family
of
| a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
| ago.
| Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
| Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.

[snip]

why the hell should they apologise? for one, it was their culture at the
time, and as natural to them as eating steak is to us. for two, he deserved
it for going there and meddling with them.

edo wrote:

> Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
>
> The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family of
> a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
> ago.
> Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
> Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
>
> The inhabitants of Navatusila on the island of Viti Levu believe their
> village has been suffering bad luck ever since the cannibalism incident,
> and hope saying sorry will help their fortunes.
>
> There are various stories as to why Thomas Baker was killed and cooked by
> the people of Navatusila on 21 July, 1867. Some say that he tried to take a
> comb out of the village chief's hair, or a hat from his head, without
> realising that touching a chief's head in Fiji is forbidden.
>
><snip>
>
>
> One villager who took part in the feast was quoted in contemporary accounts
> as saying "we ate everything but his boots".
>


Yes, yes, but how did you prepare him?

Peg

On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:43:23 GMT, "colin." > wrote:

>
>"edo" > wrote in message
>news:966ba77b341f6ddbd3023918447472b0@cryptorebel s.net...
>| Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
>|
>| The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family
>of
>| a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
>| ago.
>| Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
>| Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
>
>[snip]
>
>why the hell should they apologise? for one, it was their culture at the
>time, and as natural to them as eating steak is to us. for two, he deserved
>it for going there and meddling with them.
>

Man, I've really developed quite an appetite! Hey! Got any
plans this evening?

edo wrote:

> Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
>
> The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family of
> a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
> ago.
> Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
> Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
>
> The inhabitants of Navatusila on the island of Viti Levu believe their
> village has been suffering bad luck ever since the cannibalism incident,
> and hope saying sorry will help their fortunes.
>
> There are various stories as to why Thomas Baker was killed and cooked by
> the people of Navatusila on 21 July, 1867.

===>Was he a Franciscan and they boiled him?
THAT was the mistake.
A Franciscan is a FRIAR!

Peggy wrote:

> edo wrote:
>
> > Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
> >
> > The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family of
> > a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
> > ago.
> > Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
> > Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
> >
> > The inhabitants of Navatusila on the island of Viti Levu believe their
> > village has been suffering bad luck ever since the cannibalism incident,
> > and hope saying sorry will help their fortunes.
> >
> > There are various stories as to why Thomas Baker was killed and cooked by
> > the people of Navatusila on 21 July, 1867. Some say that he tried to take a
> > comb out of the village chief's hair, or a hat from his head, without
> > realising that touching a chief's head in Fiji is forbidden.
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >
> > One villager who took part in the feast was quoted in contemporary accounts
> > as saying "we ate everything but his boots".
> >
>
> Yes, yes, but how did you prepare him?

===>He should have read the Prime Directive.

Libertarius > wrote:
>edo wrote:
>> The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family
>> of a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136
>> years ago. Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented
>> to Thomas Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
>
> ===>Was he a Franciscan and they boiled him?
> THAT was the mistake.
> A Franciscan is a FRIAR!

That's the kind of joke you can go a whole lifetime waiting for the
opportunity to use.

miguel
--
See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

"Libertarius" > wrote in message
.. .
>> ===>Was he a Franciscan and they boiled him?
> THAT was the mistake.
> A Franciscan is a FRIAR!

They will never ever eat a clown again. They taste funny :-(

dennis

edo > wrote in
news:966ba77b341f6ddbd3023918447472b0@cryptorebels .net:

> Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
>

Bon Appetit!

"edo" > wrote in message
> Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
>
> The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to
the
> family of a English Christian missionary who was eaten by
tribes
> people 136 years ago.

This reminds me of an old logic problem.

We have three cannibals and three missionaries. If at any time
or place there are more cannibals than missionaries, then the
cannibals will eat the missionaries.

The group comes to a river which they must cross by boat.
However, the boat will only carry two people. How do they all
six get across?

You might first reason that a missionary and a cannibal can cross
together, then leaving the cannibal on the other side the
missionary can come back and pick up either another cannibal or a
missionary. But he can't pick up a missionary because that will
leave two cannibals with one missionary. And if he takes a
cannibal with him, he will be eaten as soon as he gets to the
other side.

How can all six safely cross the river?

In an alternate version of this problem, instead of saying that
there can never be more cannibals than missionaries, I say that
there can never be more missionaries than cannibals, or the
missionaries will convert the cannibals which is an even worse
outcome.

--
Wax

Justin Lerking wrote:
>
> On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:43:23 GMT, "colin." > wrote:
>
> >
> >"edo" > wrote in message
> >news:966ba77b341f6ddbd3023918447472b0@cryptorebel s.net...
> >| Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
> >|
> >| The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family
> >of
> >| a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
> >| ago.
> >| Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
> >| Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >why the hell should they apologise? for one, it was their culture at the
> >time, and as natural to them as eating steak is to us. for two, he deserved
> >it for going there and meddling with them.
> >
>
> Man, I've really developed quite an appetite! Hey! Got any
> plans this evening?

It is somewhat suspicious considering they ordered some hundred pounds of fava
beans and several cases of Chianti.

I guess this is on topic.

Wait!

First, find out if they're Democrats.

--Blair
"We may have a job for them in Washington."

The late Idi Amin to the head of the U.N. "Send me more of those U.N.
troops. The last batch wuz delicious". There are still places in this world
where cannibalism is practiced. Like Papua New Guinea for a start. Hear
about the cannibal that passed his brother in the jungle?

F.J.

"Fudge" > wrote in
:

> The late Idi Amin to the head of the U.N. "Send me more of those U.N.
> troops. The last batch wuz delicious".

As far as I can recall, no UN troops were sent to Uganda during Amin's
tenure as president. In fact, precious few UN troops were sent to Rwanda
during the 1993 massacres. Too few to be able to prevent the slaughter.

Weatherwax wrote:
>
> This reminds me of an old logic problem.
>
> We have three cannibals and three missionaries. If at any time
> or place there are more cannibals than missionaries, then the
> cannibals will eat the missionaries.
>
> The group comes to a river which they must cross by boat.
> However, the boat will only carry two people. How do they all
> six get across?
>
> You might first reason that...

Jeez. I hope whoever crossposted this is pleased with himself.

<CTRL-K>


--
timbo

I learned a long time ago to keep on walking down
the hall until the gurgling noises stop. Otherwise,
your nice clean scrubs are going to get ****ed up.
- Mortimer Schnerd, RN

Weatherwax wrote:

> "edo" > wrote in message
> > Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
> >
> > The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to
> the
> > family of a English Christian missionary who was eaten by
> tribes
> > people 136 years ago.
>
> This reminds me of an old logic problem.
>
> We have three cannibals and three missionaries. If at any time
> or place there are more cannibals than missionaries, then the
> cannibals will eat the missionaries.
>
> The group comes to a river which they must cross by boat.
> However, the boat will only carry two people. How do they all
> six get across?
>
> You might first reason that a missionary and a cannibal can cross
> together, then leaving the cannibal on the other side the
> missionary can come back and pick up either another cannibal or a
> missionary. But he can't pick up a missionary because that will
> leave two cannibals with one missionary. And if he takes a
> cannibal with him, he will be eaten as soon as he gets to the
> other side.
>
> How can all six safely cross the river?
>
> In an alternate version of this problem, instead of saying that
> there can never be more cannibals than missionaries, I say that
> there can never be more missionaries than cannibals, or the
> missionaries will convert the cannibals which is an even worse
> outcome.

===>Do they turn into beef when "converted", so the missionaries can
eat them???

"Weatherwax" > wrote in message >...
> "edo" > wrote in message
> > Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
> >
> > The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to
> the
> > family of a English Christian missionary who was eaten by
> tribes
> > people 136 years ago.
>
> This reminds me of an old logic problem.
>
> We have three cannibals and three missionaries. If at any time
> or place there are more cannibals than missionaries, then the
> cannibals will eat the missionaries.
>
> The group comes to a river which they must cross by boat.
> However, the boat will only carry two people. How do they all
> six get across?
>
> You might first reason that a missionary and a cannibal can cross
> together, then leaving the cannibal on the other side the
> missionary can come back and pick up either another cannibal or a
> missionary. But he can't pick up a missionary because that will
> leave two cannibals with one missionary. And if he takes a
> cannibal with him, he will be eaten as soon as he gets to the
> other side.
>
> How can all six safely cross the river?

The cannibals do most of the paddling.

Trip 1: one of each, missionary comes back.
trip 2: 2 cannibals, one cannibal comes back.
trip 3: two missionaries, one of each return.
trip 4: two missionaries, cannibal returns
trip 5: 2 cannibals, one returns.
trip 6: 2 cannibals, they're all there.

wrote in
:

> On 13 Nov 2003 13:32:38 GMT, Michel Boucher >
> wrote:
>
>>"Fudge" > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> The late Idi Amin to the head of the U.N. "Send me more of those
>>> U.N. troops. The last batch wuz delicious".
>>
>>As far as I can recall, no UN troops were sent to Uganda during Amin's
>>tenure as president. In fact, precious few UN troops were sent to
>>Rwanda during the 1993 massacres. Too few to be able to prevent the
>>slaughter.
>
> Of course they weren't - no oil - no reason to send troops in.

The US had nothing to do with this and no one was expecting them to help.
It was a routine UN peacekeeping operation that went bad, not because the
peacekeepers were not doing their job, but because they couldn't get the
necessary reinforcements from Kofi Annan to hold back the onslaught.

Général Roméo Dallaire, the contingent commander and an officer of the
Canadian Forces, has spent the last ten years fighting PTSD and depression
which almost drove him to commit suicide twice. He has just published his
memoirs of the genocide in Rwanda, entitled _Shake Hands With the Devil:
The Failure of Humanity in Rwanda_.

http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/item.a...3&Item=9780679
31171&Section=books&Catalog=Books&Lang=en&mscssid= VTNH77X919318HJBFQ59M2U
PU5S197K2&WSID=181110D6DD3E3B514A28A73E0146AD5D3CD 85513

wrote in
:

> My comment was on the bitter side in that when oil (or something else
> of value) is not involved then people like Romeo Dallaire are spitting
> against the wind because the 'civilized' world has no interest.

You got dat right. Rwanda had the misfortune of not occupying any
strategic position or being vested with strategic resources. But the
obverse does not necessarily guarantee success either. Look at the débacle
in Somalia where even the massed forces of the Western press were unable to
prevent a determined caïd from having to put up with the presence of
meddling foreigners for too long. Mohamad Farah Aidid joins that elite
list of leaders who have successfully evaded capture by the Untied States,
including Pancho Villa, Sandino, Castro, Milosevic, bin Ladin and Saddam
Husayn. In the words of Maxwell Smart: Missed him by *that* much! :-)

"edo" > wrote in message
news:966ba77b341f6ddbd3023918447472b0@cryptorebels .net...
> Eaten missionary's family head for Fiji
>
> The residents of a Fiji village are preparing to apologise to the family
of
> a English Christian missionary who was eaten by tribes people 136 years
> ago.
> Cows, fine mats and 30 sperm whales' teeth are to be presented to Thomas
> Baker's descendants in the traditional ceremony on Thursday.
>
> The inhabitants of Navatusila on the island of Viti Levu believe their
> village has been suffering bad luck ever since the cannibalism incident,
> and hope saying sorry will help their fortunes.
>
> There are various stories as to why Thomas Baker was killed and cooked by
> the people of Navatusila on 21 July, 1867. Some say that he tried to take
a
> comb out of the village chief's hair, or a hat from his head, without
> realising that touching a chief's head in Fiji is forbidden.


Yet "others" say he shouldn't have conducted wedding ceremonies using the
phrase "You must love and trust one another like two cannibals having a
69-er".