Just in the event anyone cares, on tonight's 20/20 they have a piece
on cooking in teflon pans.

And while I'm at it, the current Christmas issue of Consumer Reports
covers a number of kitchen appliances.

This public service announcement has been brought to you by:

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Just in the event anyone cares, on tonight's 20/20 they have a piece
> on cooking in teflon pans.
>
> And while I'm at it, the current Christmas issue of Consumer Reports
> covers a number of kitchen appliances.
>
> This public service announcement has been brought to you by:
>
> nancy

According to the announcement, Dupont has known about this for many
years. They claim that the Teflon can never get hot enough in normal
use, which has been proved as being wrong.

Nancy Young typed:
> Just in the event anyone cares, on tonight's 20/20 they have a piece
> on cooking in teflon pans.

I'm betting that it is the "old news" that we've heard for years. Bird owners
can't keep birds in the part of the house where the kitchen is if they use Teflon
pans.
Most of the non-stick pans today are Silverstone, Inovexx (sp) or similar, not
actually containing Teflon

>
> And while I'm at it, the current Christmas issue of Consumer Reports
> covers a number of kitchen appliances.
>
> This public service announcement has been brought to you by:
>
> nancy

Any word on a new chaotic kitchen?

BOB InTroubleNow

Margaret Suran wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> > Just in the event anyone cares, on tonight's 20/20 they have a piece
> > on cooking in teflon pans.

> According to the announcement, Dupont has known about this for many
> years. They claim that the Teflon can never get hot enough in normal
> use, which has been proved as being wrong.

Did you see the clip where the spokeswoman said, the effects are
temporary. How temporary. Two days. That's temporary? Hello, I
think most people cook at *least* every two days. Besides, who
wants flu symptoms for even five minutes. Of course I will have to
wait to see the whole show.

nancy

BOB wrote:
>
> Nancy Young typed:
> > Just in the event anyone cares, on tonight's 20/20 they have a piece
> > on cooking in teflon pans.
>
> I'm betting that it is the "old news" that we've heard for years. Bird owners
> can't keep birds in the part of the house where the kitchen is if they use Teflon
> pans.

Oh, I'm quite certain. It's just that people keep poo pooing the
claims and it looked as if they actually tested it.

I do think I have a teflon pan, it was one of a set of two. The
smaller one gave off awful fumes when bananas with brown sugar
was cooked in it. I tossed it and bought an All Clad to replace
it. Cost a bundle, but I don't worry about the surface with metal
untensils. I should look up what the nonstick coating is made of.

> Most of the non-stick pans today are Silverstone, Inovexx (sp) or similar, not
> actually containing Teflon
>
> >
> > And while I'm at it, the current Christmas issue of Consumer Reports
> > covers a number of kitchen appliances.
> >
> > This public service announcement has been brought to you by:
> >
> > nancy
>
> Any word on a new chaotic kitchen?
>
> BOB InTroubleNow

(SLAP)

nancy

"Margaret Suran" > wrote in message
...
> Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> > Just in the event anyone cares, on tonight's 20/20 they have a piece
> > on cooking in teflon pans.
> >
> > And while I'm at it, the current Christmas issue of Consumer Reports
> > covers a number of kitchen appliances.
> >
> > This public service announcement has been brought to you by:
> >
> > nancy
>
> According to the announcement, Dupont has known about this for many
> years. They claim that the Teflon can never get hot enough in normal
> use, which has been proved as being wrong.


Dump TEFLON buy cast iron. It's not only better, it's better for you.

A public service announcement.....

;-)

Dimitri

Nancy Young > wrote:

> Did you see the clip where the spokeswoman said, the effects are
> temporary. How temporary. Two days. That's temporary? Hello, I
> think most people cook at *least* every two days. Besides, who
> wants flu symptoms for even five minutes. Of course I will have to
> wait to see the whole show.

Perhaps the effects are not felt by everyone or maybe inhaling the
fumes from overheated Teflon doesn't happen to people who cook in a well
ventilated environment. I have been using Teflon coated cookware for many
years (mostly Silverstone) and I don't recall ever feeling any ill
effects, but than again, I tend to avoid overheating my cookware.

Barbara Walters is talking about this right now on 20-20 as I am writing
this posting.

BOB > wrote:

> I'm betting that it is the "old news" that we've heard for years. Bird owners
> can't keep birds in the part of the house where the kitchen is if they use Teflon
> pans.
> Most of the non-stick pans today are Silverstone, Inovexx (sp) or similar, not
> actually containing Teflon

Actually, Silverstone is a variation on Teflon.

Nancy Young > wrote:
>I do think I have a teflon pan, it was one of a set of two. The
>smaller one gave off awful fumes when bananas with brown sugar
>was cooked in it. I tossed it and bought an All Clad to replace
>it. Cost a bundle, but I don't worry about the surface with metal
>untensils. I should look up what the nonstick coating is made of.

Teflon. Applied using a 2-step process to make it stick
to the pan better, and to make it bumpy so it sticks to
the food less, than a flat coating of Teflon. But it's
still teflon.

I still won't use metal utensils in mine.

And the only time I ever got a teflon pan hot enough to
react with anything, the coating melted and I threw it out.

--Blair
"It wasn't my fault."

>Did you see the clip where the spokeswoman said, the effects are
>temporary. How temporary. Two days. That's temporary? Hello, I
>think most people cook at *least* every two days. Besides, who
>wants flu symptoms for even five minutes. Of course I will have to
>wait to see the whole show.
>
well it can kill pet birds and has done so. so I guess it is not really
temporary for everyone (G)

--
Knight-Toolworks & Custom Planes
Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
See http://www.knight-toolworks.com For prices and ordering instructions.

"Dimitri" > wrote in message
. com...
>
>
> Dump TEFLON buy cast iron. It's not only better, it's better for you.


Hear hear.

-Jay

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:47:14 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
>Teflon. Applied using a 2-step process to make it stick
>to the pan better, and to make it bumpy so it sticks to
>the food less, than a flat coating of Teflon. But it's
>still teflon.
>
>I still won't use metal utensils in mine.
>
>And the only time I ever got a teflon pan hot enough to
>react with anything, the coating melted and I threw it out.
>
> --Blair
> "It wasn't my fault."

I'm thinking of catching a bird
--
Mike

The Michael wrote:
>
> On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:47:14 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> >Teflon. Applied using a 2-step process to make it stick
> >to the pan better, and to make it bumpy so it sticks to
> >the food less, than a flat coating of Teflon. But it's
> >still teflon.
> >
> >I still won't use metal utensils in mine.
> >
> >And the only time I ever got a teflon pan hot enough to
> >react with anything, the coating melted and I threw it out.
> >
> > --Blair
> > "It wasn't my fault."
>
> I'm thinking of catching a bird
> --
> Mike

Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
that is showing up?

All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)

maxine in ri

>From: maxine in ri

>Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
>that is showing up?

I just read about that in the paper,...when a flu strain changes or mutates,
it's called a shift, and doctors believe that the original strain and the shift
strain will both respond to the current vaccine in the same way, so no prob.
Gail~~~~~~~~~~~~`
---
Please remember the needy... http://www.quickdonations.com
~~~ Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity ;o) ~~~

Hark! I heard dienne (Gail) say:
> >From: maxine in ri
>
> >Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
> >that is showing up?
>
> I just read about that in the paper,...when a flu strain changes or mutates,
> it's called a shift, and doctors believe that the original strain and the
> shift strain will both respond to the current vaccine in the same way, so
> no prob.

I hope they're right -- Small Child and I got our vaccines last month.
I really don't want the flu, especially since I'm hosting one of our
holiday meals this year.

> Please remember the needy... http://www.quickdonations.com

URL left intact...


--
j.j. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~
...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

maxine in ri wrote:

<snip>
>
> Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
> that is showing up?
>
> All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)
>
> maxine in ri

Don't think the inhaled kind is any better. There's no way to predice
precisely which strains of flu will produce the epidemics. All the
manufacturers can do is take some hopefully-educated guesses.
However on our news, it was said that multiple strains are showing up,
so some of us might still luck out.

In the mean time, get plenty of rest and decent food, stay out of crowds
and wash hands as often as possible, particularly after going out into
public.

Arri London wrote:
> maxine in ri wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
>>that is showing up?
>>
>>All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)
>>
>>maxine in ri
>
>
> Don't think the inhaled kind is any better. There's no way to predice
> precisely which strains of flu will produce the epidemics. All the
> manufacturers can do is take some hopefully-educated guesses.
> However on our news, it was said that multiple strains are showing up,
> so some of us might still luck out.
>
> In the mean time, get plenty of rest and decent food, stay out of crowds
> and wash hands as often as possible, particularly after going out into
> public.

Since the vaccine will share at least some antigens (the virus undergoes
antigenic drift,) at least there will be some protection to lessen
symptoms.

The nasal vaccine should not be used in patients that are immunocompromised.

Richard

--
"..A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
beans and a nice chianti..."

Hannibal "The Cannibal"

Silence Of The Lambs 1991

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:01:14 -0500, maxine in ri >
wrote:
>
>Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
>that is showing up?
>
>All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)

Pain? Suffering? A flu shot?!

>>All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)

> Pain? Suffering? A flu shot?!

You don't have young kids, do you ? ;-)


--
Tim.

If the human brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would
be so simple that we couldn't.

Arri London wrote:
<snip>
>
> In the mean time, get plenty of rest and decent food, stay out of crowds
> and wash hands as often as possible, particularly after going out into
> public.


And do *not* rub your eyes or get your hands/fingers close to your mouth.

Yup. But it has some components that will fight A-FUJIAN

"maxine in ri" > wrote in message
...
> The Michael wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:47:14 GMT, Blair P. Houghton > wrote:
> > >Teflon. Applied using a 2-step process to make it stick
> > >to the pan better, and to make it bumpy so it sticks to
> > >the food less, than a flat coating of Teflon. But it's
> > >still teflon.
> > >
> > >I still won't use metal utensils in mine.
> > >
> > >And the only time I ever got a teflon pan hot enough to
> > >react with anything, the coating melted and I threw it out.
> > >
> > > --Blair
> > > "It wasn't my fault."
> >
> > I'm thinking of catching a bird
> > --
> > Mike
>
> Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
> that is showing up?
>
> All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)
>
> maxine in ri

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
...
> Arri London wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > In the mean time, get plenty of rest and decent food, stay out of crowds
> > and wash hands as often as possible, particularly after going out into
> > public.
>
>
> And do *not* rub your eyes or get your hands/fingers close to your mouth.
>

And frequent hand washing too!

"Frogleg" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:01:14 -0500, maxine in ri >
> wrote:
> >
> >Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
> >that is showing up?
> >
> >All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)
>
> Pain? Suffering? A flu shot?!

The shot doesn't hurt at all and I never get flu symtoms or my hubby either,
but some of the guys that work with my husband were off work a week with flu
after getting the shot. It may be they came in contact with A-Fujian at the
same time as they got the shot, which would account for the illness.

Frogleg wrote:
>
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 12:01:14 -0500, maxine in ri >
> wrote:
> >
> >Anyone else heard that this year's flu vaccine is not for the strain
> >that is showing up?
> >
> >All that pain and suffering for naught! (unless you got the inhaled kind)
>
> Pain? Suffering? A flu shot?!

<VBG>