sf > writes:

>Gas is central heat. Electric is not.

Not true, not at all. There are many homes set up with an all-electric central
heating system... and there are various types as well... some even generate
their own electric.


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In article >, sf
> writes:

> AzuReBlue
> wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:52:05 -0600, "jmcquown"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
>> > > paranoia about cooking with gas.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I with Ray - especially about the ovens... and gas dryers
>> > too.
>> >
>> > They're creepy, latently dangerous and much more of a
>> > concern to me than some electric coil "bursting" (never
>> > heard that one before).
>> >
>>
>> After reading that, I'm looking at my appliances in a whole new light
>> now :-) Everything in my house is gas - stove, hot water heater, furnace
>> and dryer. Maybe it's a regional thing, but here in mich. gas is alot
>> cheaper than electric and if the power goes out, I can still cook and
>> take a hot shower. It seems to heat the house alot better too.
>
>The fuel you use to heat your house is your least expensive
>fuel, because it's considered the "main" fuel.
>
>We use gas for our furnace and hot water heater. Therefore
>gas is less expensive. If all I cared about was the
>expense, I'd cook with gas and dry my clothes with gas...
>but I can't do it. It absolutely creeps me out to use a gas
>oven or dryer (I'm getting better about gas stovetops but I
>don't want one in my home).
>
>The only way I can rectify my non-reluctance about using gas
>for the furnace and water heater is:
>Out of sight, out of mind.

You do realize that you're not well.


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"dogsnus" > wrote in message news:bqfbsl$1ukk70$4@ID-

> Okay, never having had that type of stove, I'll bite.
> What happens when you use a pan that is warped?
>
> Terri

It goes thumpeta thumpeta thumpeta. The heat can make one oscillate.

My vote against glass topped stoves. Put on a pan of peas and turn on the
stove. Nothing happens because the element hasn't heated the glass yet. By
the time it has, your back is turned and it's too hot. Peas boil over and
the liquid splatters. Grab the peas off the stove but you don't try to wipe
up the mess, because the glass is too hot to touch. Just stand there and
watch the pea liquid scorch and weld itself to the surface. The glass will
be hot for another half hour, but that's useless when the food is cooked. An
hour later it's cool enough that you can begin to gently scrape at the
charred mess, taking especial care not to scratch the once-lovely glass
surface. Since owning a glass-topped stove I've learned to love those
old-fashioned ugly foil-covered burner pans.

On 02 Dec 2003 17:37:31 GMT, (PENMART01)
wrote:

>
> Btw, unless you're absolutely positive that your home wiring is in top notch
> condition and is more than adequate for carrying its normal load, do NOT run
> electric clothes dryers and/or electric stoves while an array of decorative
> lights are energized... if you need to cook or dry clothes de-energize all
> strings of holiday lighting... folks who live in older homes whose wiring
> hasn't been inspected and upgraded recently are extremely vulnerable. Never
> leave that tree lit without someone in the same room, someone sober.
>

Do you mean - people don't have 2-20 (220) wiring and have
not upgraded their fuse boxes yet? There aren't many left.

On 02 Dec 2003 17:37:33 GMT, (PENMART01)
wrote:

> >
> >The only way I can rectify my non-reluctance about using gas
> >for the furnace and water heater is:
> >Out of sight, out of mind.
>
> You do realize that you're not well.
>

I'm a survivor.

Kathy wrote:
>
> "dogsnus" > wrote in message news:bqfbsl$1ukk70$4@ID-
>
> > Okay, never having had that type of stove, I'll bite.
> > What happens when you use a pan that is warped?
> >
> > Terri
>
> It goes thumpeta thumpeta thumpeta. The heat can make one oscillate.
>
> My vote against glass topped stoves. Put on a pan of peas and turn on the
> stove. Nothing happens because the element hasn't heated the glass yet. By
> the time it has, your back is turned and it's too hot. Peas boil over and
> the liquid splatters. Grab the peas off the stove but you don't try to wipe
> up the mess, because the glass is too hot to touch. Just stand there and
> watch the pea liquid scorch and weld itself to the surface. The glass will
> be hot for another half hour, but that's useless when the food is cooked. An
> hour later it's cool enough that you can begin to gently scrape at the
> charred mess, taking especial care not to scratch the once-lovely glass
> surface. Since owning a glass-topped stove I've learned to love those
> old-fashioned ugly foil-covered burner pans.


I've never had that problem with my new one..... :-)
It heats about as fast as a "normal" element burner, and when I DO have
to clean burnt residue with the razor scraper, I then polish it when it
is cool with the porcelain polish. The top looks good as new.

Overall, I think that regular stoves are a pain in the tailfeathers to
clean. The glass top stoves are a breeze as there are no burners to take
apart! I always hated that.

K.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On 02 Dec 2003 17:37:31 GMT, (PENMART01)
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Btw, unless you're absolutely positive that your home wiring is in top
notch
> > condition and is more than adequate for carrying its normal load, do
NOT run
> > electric clothes dryers and/or electric stoves while an array of
decorative
> > lights are energized... if you need to cook or dry clothes de-energize
all
> > strings of holiday lighting... folks who live in older homes whose
wiring
> > hasn't been inspected and upgraded recently are extremely vulnerable.
Never
> > leave that tree lit without someone in the same room, someone sober.
> >
>
> Do you mean - people don't have 2-20 (220) wiring and have
> not upgraded their fuse boxes yet? There aren't many left.
>
>

Haha!! In the original US, there's still a lot of 100 amp service and even
knob and tube wiring. I've bought 2 houses in the last 10 years and the
first thing I did was have the wiring updated.

Jack Kilowatt

Trent© writes:

>Katra-inka wrote:
>
>>The glass top stoves are a breeze as there are no burners to take
>>apart! I always hated that.
>
>Just curious...
>If you boil over a pot, where does the liquid go?...all over the
>floor?

All over the TRAILER floor!

Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .


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dogsnus wrote:
>
> Katra > wrote in
> :
<snipped>
> >
> > You'll be ok, but it IS different than cooking on electric!
>
> I've discovered that.
> Last night's dinner was Italian lasagne, garlic bread and
> a very nice fresh green salad with Vidalia onion dressing.
> It turned out very tasty!
> But, I had to be on the ball as to cooking times.
> When gas is ON, it's ON.

Oh yeah. :-) But at least the burner cools off faster!
That was tricky using electric elements... They stay hotter
longer when you turn them down. <G>

>
> Terri
>
> >
> > If I was not so afraid of having a flammable liquid pumped inside my
> > home...... <G>
> It's not the liquid, it's the spark!
>
>
> Terri
> Yours for risky living.

Yah! We did have a small house fire once when there was a gas leak from
the central heating unit. :-(

K.

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"Trent©" wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 01:36:47 -0600, Katra >
> wrote:
>
> >I've never had that problem with my new one..... :-)
> >It heats about as fast as a "normal" element burner, and when I DO have
> >to clean burnt residue with the razor scraper, I then polish it when it
> >is cool with the porcelain polish. The top looks good as new.
> >
> >Overall, I think that regular stoves are a pain in the tailfeathers to
> >clean. The glass top stoves are a breeze as there are no burners to take
> >apart! I always hated that.
> >
> >K.
>
> Just curious...
>
> If you boil over a pot, where does the liquid go?...all over the
> floor?

I have boiled stuff over, but never badly enough where it went on the
floor. :-)

Frankly, even if it did, the floor is FAR easier to clean than taking
the burners apart and trying to get any burned on gunk out of the inside
of the stove...

I'm pretty careful, and rarely boil stuff over. :-)

>
> Is there a vent on these for the oven? Must be, of course. Where?

Yes, it vents up over the control panel.

>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent
>

K.

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PENMART01 wrote in message >...
>Trent© writes:
>
>>Katra-inka wrote:
>>
>>>The glass top stoves are a breeze as there are no burners to take
>>>apart! I always hated that.
>>
>>Just curious...
>>If you boil over a pot, where does the liquid go?...all over the
>>floor?
>
>All over the TRAILER floor!
>
>Ahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .
>
somehow i doubt that glass top stoves come standard in a trailer home. heh.
FWIW, ive used all three common types: gas, at my mom's house, where i
learned to cook, glass top electric, at my MIL's , which is a bitch and a
half when youve realized that you cant leave aplastic spatula anywhere on
the top without melting it wehn you are cooking, and solid element electric,
which i have now. which has all the annoyances of both. temperature
regulation sucks, and you have the burner pans to clean. bleh. gimme gas
anyday.

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Hark! I heard Katra > say:

<snip>

> Frankly, even if it did, the floor is FAR easier to clean than taking
> the burners apart and trying to get any burned on gunk out of the inside
> of the stove...

Hmmm, I have an electric stove -- the cooktop lifts up (like a car
hood) so I don't have to remove the burners to clean. Still, I'd rather
have a gas stove if I could get natural gas here. Maybe in a few more
years...


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...fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

On 3 Dec 2003 13:25:00 GMT, dogsnus > wrote:

>When gas is ON, it's ON.
>
>Terri
>
gas, is, well, a gas compared to electric. i'd swap my electric-coil
stovetop for gas in a nanosecond. but i'm an apartment dweller, so i
can't readily switch.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 11:37:29 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On 02 Dec 2003 17:37:31 GMT, (PENMART01)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Btw, unless you're absolutely positive that your home wiring is in top
>notch
>> > condition and is more than adequate for carrying its normal load, do
>NOT run
>> > electric clothes dryers and/or electric stoves while an array of
>decorative
>> > lights are energized... if you need to cook or dry clothes de-energize
>all
>> > strings of holiday lighting... folks who live in older homes whose
>wiring
>> > hasn't been inspected and upgraded recently are extremely vulnerable.
>Never
>> > leave that tree lit without someone in the same room, someone sober.
>> >
>>
>> Do you mean - people don't have 2-20 (220) wiring and have
>> not upgraded their fuse boxes yet? There aren't many left.
>>
>>
>
>Haha!! In the original US, there's still a lot of 100 amp service and even
>knob and tube wiring. I've bought 2 houses in the last 10 years and the
>first thing I did was have the wiring updated.
>
>Jack Kilowatt

When I started in the electrical trade in the late 70's, 100 amp
services were still being used for many smaller homes. I'm a little
behind on my NEC code books so I'm not sure if the minimun has been
raised above 100 amps. 200 amp is what's usually installed. City and
county codes vary. The largest home I've wired had an 800 amp service.
I'm sure the electric bill is as large as most mortgage payments.
<gasp>

I've read that the "push" for the larger services has more to to with
the power grid than actual useage. SF <idiot> has mentioned 220. 220
only exists when there is a problem. In the US, 120/240 is what we
have. I don't know about the rest of the country, but in Chicago,
ComEd is allowed 10% +/-. An air conditioner normally drawing 12 amps
at 240 volts will draw more amps at the acceptable rate of 216volts.
Voltage drop is greater in smaller wire. The theory I've read is the
short section of wire to a home being increased for a larger service,
decreases the voltage drop, thus decreasng the amperage increase, thus
decreasing the amperage load on the power grid. It's not my theory,
but a small increase multiplied by thousands of homes might make a
difference. I dunno. It prolly makes sense. <----EG

As long as a small home has gas appliances, 100 amps plenty of power.
Insurance companies always ask about the service. I asked a real
estate person why they cared about the service when who knows what
demons are buried in the walls. The reply was that they were hoping
that with the upgrade, the electrical contractor would try to "upsell"
the job by pointing out other potential problems to the homeowner.
And there would also be an inspector poking his/her nose around.

You are correct that there is lots of knob and tube still in service,
and not only in old farmhouses. I learned early in my apprenticeship
to be very carefull in old attics. I once found a room addition that
had the new BX cable spliced into knob and tube. That didn't feel so
good when I found it.

1. This post was plopped on you because I don't feel like responding
to idiots like Barbara LaCrotch

2. Extension cords start most fires.

3. An old and outdated 120v 30 amp service is no more dangerous than a
480/ 3 phase state of the art service.

4. fuses are safer than circuit breakers.

5. Worry about what's plugged into your walls and what's in the walls
before you worry about your service.

6. My older cat refuses to shit in the litter box and shits next to
it. Can I break this habit by putting his grease logs in his food
bowl?

Sparky

"j.j." wrote:
>
> Hark! I heard Katra > say:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Frankly, even if it did, the floor is FAR easier to clean than taking
> > the burners apart and trying to get any burned on gunk out of the inside
> > of the stove...
>
> Hmmm, I have an electric stove -- the cooktop lifts up (like a car
> hood) so I don't have to remove the burners to clean. Still, I'd rather
> have a gas stove if I could get natural gas here. Maybe in a few more
> years...
>
> --
> j.j. ~ mom, gamer, novice cook ~
> ..fish heads, fish heads, eat them up, yum!

I had a stove like that when I lived in Temple. :-) It came with the
apt. I was renting at the time... Most stoves don't do that tho'. It
WAS very nice!

I grew up with gas and it has some real advantages, but quite frankly,
I'm afraid of it now... When I went looking for a house, I told the real
estate agent "all electric". :-)

I just really really really LOVE my glass top stove for a number of
reasons! :-)

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On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:01:02 -0600, Gar
> wrote:
>
> SF <idiot> has mentioned 220. 220
> only exists when there is a problem.

<shrug> Old house, old wiring (some new), 220 at the box.
Very common scenerio in this area.

On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 06:11:59 GMT, sf > wrote:

>On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 17:01:02 -0600, Gar
> wrote:
>>
>> SF <idiot> has mentioned 220. 220
>> only exists when there is a problem.
>
><shrug> Old house, old wiring (some new), 220 at the box.
>Very common scenerio in this area.
>

Go here. I'm just trying to help. <eg>

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ic/hsehld.html

Gar

sf > wrote in message >. ..


> I'm from Michigan originally, but when I lived there our
> heat was oil not gas. We had huge tanks which the
> supplier's truck pumped oil into and they had to be a
> certain number of yards from the house in case they blew up.
> Oil, gas.... <shiver>

No, not at all. It was fairly common to have an oil tank in
the basement (I rented such a house, once), or buried in the
ground near the house (I owned one of those).


Cindy Hamilton

dogsnus wrote:
>
> Katra > wrote in
> :
>
> > Overall, I think that regular stoves are a pain in the tailfeathers to
> > clean.
>
> I think we've finally found a use for cats.
>
> Ducking and running...
>
> Terri


ROFL!!! ;-D

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 14:31:19 -0500, "Bishoop" > wrote:

>The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>
>My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for gravy. The
>pan is a large aluminum roaster.
>
>My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud noise.
>It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with the gravy
>fixings.
>
>She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly the same
>thing with no adverse affects.
>
>I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>
>Comments?
>
Ask me in a week. One of the oven lights blew the other week. Welded
itself shut and blew out the board. The range was almost precisely 2
years old. It's the price of a cheap car to repair. I am attempting
to get Whirlpool to come to the party. So far they have surrendered
on the 'Board'.

Harry

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:32:04 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote:

> >
> Ask me in a week. One of the oven lights blew the other week. Welded
> itself shut and blew out the board. The range was almost precisely 2
> years old. It's the price of a cheap car to repair. I am attempting
> to get Whirlpool to come to the party. So far they have surrendered
> on the 'Board'.
>

Please keep us posted, Harry - this is of great interest to
me and I'm sure others here have similar experiences.



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:54:57 GMT, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:32:04 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote:
>
>> >
>> Ask me in a week. One of the oven lights blew the other week.
Welded
>> itself shut and blew out the board. The range was almost
precisely 2
>> years old. It's the price of a cheap car to repair. I am
attempting
>> to get Whirlpool to come to the party. So far they have
surrendered
>> on the 'Board'.
>>
>
>Please keep us posted, Harry - this is of great interest to
>me and I'm sure others here have similar experiences.
>
>
>
>Practice safe eating - always use condiments


I had a somewhat similar issue with Amana. If you are interested in
how it resolved, go to GOOGLE, then groups, then alt.home.repair and
then my thread which is entitled <Need New Gas Range> from 01-04-04.
aloha, Thunder

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 18:56:12 GMT, smithfarms pure kona
> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:54:57 GMT, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:32:04 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> Ask me in a week. One of the oven lights blew the other week.
>Welded
>>> itself shut and blew out the board. The range was almost
>precisely 2
>>> years old. It's the price of a cheap car to repair. I am
>attempting
>>> to get Whirlpool to come to the party. So far they have
>surrendered
>>> on the 'Board'.
>>>
>>
>>Please keep us posted, Harry - this is of great interest to
>>me and I'm sure others here have similar experiences.
>>
>>
>>
>>Practice safe eating - always use condiments
>
>
>I had a somewhat similar issue with Amana. If you are interested in
>how it resolved, go to GOOGLE, then groups, then alt.home.repair and
>then my thread which is entitled <Need New Gas Range> from 01-04-04.
>aloha, Thunder

oops, I guess it is from 01-05-04. Sorry! I would put the URL here
but it goes on froever and I don't yet know how to make tiny URLS
aloha, thunder

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:06:14 GMT, smithfarms pure kona
> wrote:

> I would put the URL here
> but it goes on froever and I don't yet know how to make tiny URLS
> aloha, thunder
>

You have choices!

http://makeashorterlink.com/

http://tinyurl.com/

Just paste your long link into the box and click the "make
it" bar.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 06:07:03 GMT, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:06:14 GMT, smithfarms pure kona
> wrote:
>
>> I would put the URL here
>> but it goes on froever and I don't yet know how to make tiny URLS
>> aloha, thunder
>>
>
>You have choices!
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/
>
>http://tinyurl.com/
>
>Just paste your long link into the box and click the "make
>it" bar.
>
>
>Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Thank you.

http://tinyurl.com/22wy3

That is the lengthy URL that was converted. I thought the resolution
of my problem was interesting so read the end.

aloha, Thunder

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On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:54:57 GMT, sf > wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:32:04 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote:
>
>> >
>> Ask me in a week. One of the oven lights blew the other week. Welded
>> itself shut and blew out the board. The range was almost precisely 2
>> years old. It's the price of a cheap car to repair. I am attempting
>> to get Whirlpool to come to the party. So far they have surrendered
>> on the 'Board'.
>>
>
>Please keep us posted, Harry - this is of great interest to
>me and I'm sure others here have similar experiences.
>
OK they made two trips
-first trip [$100] diagnosed the problem - welded socket and fried
board.
-second trip, [another $100] installed board & socket. Dealer said
the board [about $280] was still inside a 5 year warranty period.

Negotiations under way by my Dealer to have Whirlpool suck it up for
the $200. I like our Dealer, but am not very impressed with
Whirlpool's "Client Care".

As concerns another post in this thread, regarding the cracked glass
top, our service rep was over to demo the range [and other stuff] when
it was new. The first thing he did was look into the cupboard above
our range - it was full of heavy glass stuff. He said it would be
wise to relocated because if one ever dropped onto the range top it
would be goodbye to several hundred bucks. He said that item was not
guaranteed. I would still take a run at the factory though . . .

Harry

On Fri, 09 Jan 2004 23:32:50 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 07:54:57 GMT, sf > wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 05:32:04 GMT, Harry Demidavicius
> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> Ask me in a week. One of the oven lights blew the other week. Welded
>>> itself shut and blew out the board. The range was almost precisely 2
>>> years old. It's the price of a cheap car to repair. I am attempting
>>> to get Whirlpool to come to the party. So far they have surrendered
>>> on the 'Board'.
>>>
>>
>>Please keep us posted, Harry - this is of great interest to
>>me and I'm sure others here have similar experiences.
>>
>OK they made two trips
>-first trip [$100] diagnosed the problem - welded socket and fried
>board.
>-second trip, [another $100] installed board & socket. Dealer said
>the board [about $280] was still inside a 5 year warranty period.
>
>Negotiations under way by my Dealer to have Whirlpool suck it up for
>the $200. I like our Dealer, but am not very impressed with
>Whirlpool's "Client Care".
>
>As concerns another post in this thread, regarding the cracked glass
>top, our service rep was over to demo the range [and other stuff] when
>it was new. The first thing he did was look into the cupboard above
>our range - it was full of heavy glass stuff. He said it would be
>wise to relocated because if one ever dropped onto the range top it
>would be goodbye to several hundred bucks. He said that item was not
>guaranteed. I would still take a run at the factory though . . .
>
>Harry

Final Post - Dealer rang today. They went to the Wall. Whirlpool
will now provide full reimbursement for our out-of-pocket expenses.
But I never ever heard Word One from their "Customer Service"
contacts.

Conclusion: Choose your dealer carefully - Ours wasn't the cheapest
box store in town, but a major locally owned player in the appliances
business.

Harry