The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.

My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for gravy. The
pan is a large aluminum roaster.

My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud noise.
It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with the gravy
fixings.

She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly the same
thing with no adverse affects.

I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.

Comments?

Bishoop wrote:
> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>
> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
> gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
>
> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
> noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with
> the gravy fixings.
>
> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
> the same thing with no adverse affects.
>
> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>
> Comments?

My comment: This is why I *don't* want a glass top range!

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in news:aztyb.36341$W7.2371
@bignews1.bellsouth.net:

> Bishoop wrote:
>> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>>
>> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
>> gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
>>
>> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
>> noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with
>> the gravy fixings.
>>
>> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
>> the same thing with no adverse affects.
>>
>> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>>
>> Comments?
>
> My comment: This is why I *don't* want a glass top range!
>
> Jill

I don't know how common this is, however, we had our first glass-top
range for almost five years, then moved to another house and had another
one for over three years before moving again. We never had a problem,
and I would never consider buying anything else. Presently, we have a
coil-top range which I can't wait to get rid of. Have you ever seen one
the coils explode and burn? They can and do, although not frequently. I
think you take your chances regardless the type. I'd rather take my
chances with glass.

YMMV
Wayne

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in news:aztyb.36341$W7.2371
> @bignews1.bellsouth.net:
>
>> Bishoop wrote:
>>> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>>>
>>> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
>>> gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
>>>
>>> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
>>> noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with
>>> the gravy fixings.
>>>
>>> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
>>> the same thing with no adverse affects.
>>>
>>> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>>>
>>> Comments?
>>
>> My comment: This is why I *don't* want a glass top range!
>>
>> Jill
>
> I don't know how common this is, however, we had our first glass-top
> range for almost five years, then moved to another house and had
> another one for over three years before moving again. We never had a
> problem, and I would never consider buying anything else. Presently,
> we have a coil-top range which I can't wait to get rid of. Have you
> ever seen one the coils explode and burn? They can and do, although
> not frequently. I think you take your chances regardless the type.
> I'd rather take my chances with glass.
>
> YMMV
> Wayne

I'd much rather have a gas cook-top. I have had an electric oven coil catch
fire and it was not a pretty site. Unfortunately, where I live, I can't get
a gas cooktop. And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
paranoia about cooking with gas.

I can't imagine using heavy cast iron cookware on a glass stovetop. Just
the thought of little ol' me lifting a cast iron pot on top of a glass top
range makes me cringe. It would be sure to crack. Or make me crack for
fear of cooking with it!

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in news:aztyb.36341$W7.2371
>> @bignews1.bellsouth.net:
>>
>>> Bishoop wrote:
>>>> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>>>>
>>>> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
>>>> gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
>>>>
>>>> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
>>>> noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan
>>>> with the gravy fixings.
>>>>
>>>> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
>>>> the same thing with no adverse affects.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>>>>
>>>> Comments?
>>>
>>> My comment: This is why I *don't* want a glass top range!
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I don't know how common this is, however, we had our first glass-top
>> range for almost five years, then moved to another house and had
>> another one for over three years before moving again. We never had a
>> problem, and I would never consider buying anything else. Presently,
>> we have a coil-top range which I can't wait to get rid of. Have you
>> ever seen one the coils explode and burn? They can and do, although
>> not frequently. I think you take your chances regardless the type.
>> I'd rather take my chances with glass.
>>
>> YMMV
>> Wayne
>
> I'd much rather have a gas cook-top. I have had an electric oven coil
> catch fire and it was not a pretty site. Unfortunately, where I live,
> I can't get a gas cooktop. And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's
> got a terrible paranoia about cooking with gas.
>
> I can't imagine using heavy cast iron cookware on a glass stovetop.
> Just the thought of little ol' me lifting a cast iron pot on top of a
> glass top range makes me cringe. It would be sure to crack. Or make
> me crack for fear of cooking with it!
>
> Jill

Jill,

Understandable, to be sure. I have a mortal fear of gas. I won't even
have a gas furnace, much less a gas range or cooktop with exposed flames.
I once had a gas furnace blow up when the safety pilot failed. Not a
pleasant experience.

For the same reason as you, my late mother would rarely cook on our
glass-top range for fear of cracking it with a heavy pan. She was
petite, and lifting Le Creuset cookware wasn't an easy task for her.

Wayne

Me too! I'm too rough. Good old gas cooktop for me.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> Bishoop wrote:
> > The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
> >
> > My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
> > gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
> >
> > My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
> > noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with
> > the gravy fixings.
> >
> > She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
> > the same thing with no adverse affects.
> >
> > I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
> >
> > Comments?
>
> My comment: This is why I *don't* want a glass top range!
>
> Jill
>
>

Duh'Wayne BoatSmarmy jabbers:
>
> I have a mortal fear of gas

And you're so full of hot air... how can you live with yourself... sheesh!


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jmcquown wrote:
>
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in news:aztyb.36341$W7.2371
> > @bignews1.bellsouth.net:
> >
> >> Bishoop wrote:
> >>> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
> >>>
> >>> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
> >>> gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
> >>>
> >>> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
> >>> noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with
> >>> the gravy fixings.
> >>>
> >>> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
> >>> the same thing with no adverse affects.
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
> >>>
> >>> Comments?
> >>
> >> My comment: This is why I *don't* want a glass top range!
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > I don't know how common this is, however, we had our first glass-top
> > range for almost five years, then moved to another house and had
> > another one for over three years before moving again. We never had a
> > problem, and I would never consider buying anything else. Presently,
> > we have a coil-top range which I can't wait to get rid of. Have you
> > ever seen one the coils explode and burn? They can and do, although
> > not frequently. I think you take your chances regardless the type.
> > I'd rather take my chances with glass.
> >
> > YMMV
> > Wayne
>
> I'd much rather have a gas cook-top. I have had an electric oven coil catch
> fire and it was not a pretty site. Unfortunately, where I live, I can't get
> a gas cooktop. And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
> paranoia about cooking with gas.
>
> I can't imagine using heavy cast iron cookware on a glass stovetop. Just
> the thought of little ol' me lifting a cast iron pot on top of a glass top
> range makes me cringe. It would be sure to crack. Or make me crack for
> fear of cooking with it!
>
> Jill

I have a glass topped stove, and my primary cookware is all cast iron,
or stainless steel. :-) Never had a problem.

I am careful, but I'm not petite either. <G> Plan to start weight
lifting again shortly. It's been about 8 years.....

K.

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(PENMART01) wrote in
:

> And you're so full of hot air... how can you live with yourself...
> sheesh!
>

And you're so full of shit, you'll never see the sunrise.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> "jmcquown" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >> "jmcquown" > wrote in news:aztyb.36341$W7.2371
> >> @bignews1.bellsouth.net:
> >>
> >>> Bishoop wrote:
> >>>> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
> >>>>
> >>>> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
> >>>> gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
> >>>>
> >>>> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
> >>>> noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan
> >>>> with the gravy fixings.
> >>>>
> >>>> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
> >>>> the same thing with no adverse affects.
> >>>>
> >>>> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
> >>>>
> >>>> Comments?

This happens from time to time...

This is why we spent the extra money on the double laminated one!
Reduces the chances of cracking.

You CAN replace just the top for a fraction of the price of replacing
the stove. Do it. It's worth it.

And never EVER use a pan that is warped...

K.


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>From: "jmcquown"

>I'd much rather have a gas cook-top.

Me too. Alas I'm stuck in electric stove-top land where Gas is not an option.
But I spent the first 20 years of my adult life cooking and heating with gas
with no problems, save the 89 earthquake, when I had to shut off the outside
valve until the power company came by and gave me the thumbs up to turn it back
on. About three days. I LOVED my Wedgewood stove...though it was a pain to
clean.

Like anything else, if you take the appropriate precautions Gas is safe.
LOL...reminds me of the California commercials back in the 70's when they were
promoting Gas over Electric. By the 80's all the Sillycon valley types were
buying up huge Wolf stoves. Electric and Glass tops became the rage in the
90's. Heh!

My perfect kitchen would have two electric ovens (one being a convection), a
four gas burner cooktop and a glass top in an island. *grin*

Ellen

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:52:05 -0600, "jmcquown"
> wrote:

>
> And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
> paranoia about cooking with gas.
>

I with Ray - especially about the ovens... and gas dryers
too.

They're creepy, latently dangerous and much more of a
concern to me than some electric coil "bursting" (never
heard that one before).

sf > writes:

>"jmcquown" wrote:
>
>>
>> And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
>> paranoia about cooking with gas.
>
>I with Ray - especially about the ovens... and gas dryers
>too.

There's a much higher percentage of mortality do to accidents from High Voltage
electric stoves and dryers than from their modern gas counterparts, which no
longer have pilot lights. I'll bet none of yoose, including the ever elusive
Ray, have no qualms about using gas grills, which are far more dangerous than
all of the above... heck, driving an automobile is a zillion times more
dangerous than operating any household appliance, gas or electric.. and Ray's
pick up is even more dangerous, especially sporting that gun rack and redneck
rebel flag. <G>


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sf wrote:
>
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:52:05 -0600, "jmcquown"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
> > paranoia about cooking with gas.
> >
>
> I with Ray - especially about the ovens... and gas dryers
> too.
>
> They're creepy, latently dangerous and much more of a
> concern to me than some electric coil "bursting" (never
> heard that one before).


Sorry, but I would never, under ANY circumstances, have an inflammable
liquid being pumped inside of my dwelling quarters!!!

When I went looking for a house, I specified to the real estatge agent,
"all electric". :-)

'sides, Propane is assinine! I can't afford it.

K.

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In article >,
says...
> On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:52:05 -0600, "jmcquown"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
> > paranoia about cooking with gas.
> >
>
> I with Ray - especially about the ovens... and gas dryers
> too.
>
> They're creepy, latently dangerous and much more of a
> concern to me than some electric coil "bursting" (never
> heard that one before).
>

After reading that, I'm looking at my appliances in a whole new light
now :-) Everything in my house is gas - stove, hot water heater, furnace
and dryer. Maybe it's a regional thing, but here in mich. gas is alot
cheaper than electric and if the power goes out, I can still cook and
take a hot shower. It seems to heat the house alot better too.

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"Bishoop" > wrote in message >...
> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>
> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for gravy. The
> pan is a large aluminum roaster.
>
> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud noise.
> It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with the gravy
> fixings.
>
> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly the same
> thing with no adverse affects.
>
> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>
> Comments?

I had an oven that was 3 years old when the glass in the door crackled
all over. It was covered by the warranty.

N.

"Bishoop" > wrote in message
...
> The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>
> My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for gravy. The
> pan is a large aluminum roaster.
>
> My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud noise.
> It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with the gravy
> fixings.
>
> She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly the same
> thing with no adverse affects.
>
> I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>
> Comments?
>
>
How much larger is the pan compared to the burner? My instructions for my
Maytag glass top specifically warns against using a pan that extends more than 2
inches beyond the size of the burner ring and to never cover two burners with
one pan such as a large roaster. Even though she'd done this procedure before
it could have weakened the glass over time and that's why it finally cracked.

dogsnus wrote:
>
> Katra > wrote in :
>
> >
> > You CAN replace just the top for a fraction of the price of replacing
> > the stove. Do it. It's worth it.
> >
> > And never EVER use a pan that is warped...
>
> Okay, never having had that type of stove, I'll bite.
> What happens when you use a pan that is warped?
>
> Terri


It tends to "rock" on the flat glass surface...
This can increase the danger of cracking your stove top. :-)

I actually put aside a 30 year old pressure cooker and bought a new one
because the bottom had become slightly convex over the years, and it
rocked on the new stove during heating...

I paid $800.00 for my new GE double laminate glass top.... and it's been
worth every penny! If nothing else than for the ease of cleanup! <G>
It's also black so contributed to the decor.

Plus, the oven timer turns the oven off when it runs out. Just like on a
microwave. This thing has all the bells and whistles! :-) I bought it 3
years ago.

K.

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Gigi wrote:
| "Bishoop" > wrote in message
| ...
|| The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
||
|| My wife was boiling the residue left from roasting a turkey for
|| gravy. The pan is a large aluminum roaster.
||
|| My wife was in another area of the kitchen when she heard this loud
|| noise. It was the sound of the range top cracking under the pan with
|| the gravy fixings.
||
|| She has used this same pan several times in the past doing exactly
|| the same thing with no adverse affects.
||
|| I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
||
|| Comments?
||
||
| How much larger is the pan compared to the burner? My instructions
| for my Maytag glass top specifically warns against using a pan that
| extends more than 2 inches beyond the size of the burner ring and to
| never cover two burners with one pan such as a large roaster. Even
| though she'd done this procedure before it could have weakened the
| glass over time and that's why it finally cracked.

The pan did overlap the burner area by more than two inches. It was not
over more than one burner.

I can't see how overlaping the burner in itself can cause damage to the
glass top. I can see a heat transfer 'efficiency' problem. In the stove
manual that's what they imply with with overly large pans. Nothing about
causing damage.

From the manual:

"Use flat-bottomed cookware for best heat conduction and energy effeciency.
Cookware with rounded, warped, ribbed or dented bottoms could cause uneven
heating and poor cooking results."

Nothing about damage to the cooktop.

When I called KitchenAid this morning all they were concerned about was if
anything was dropped on the glass, nothing about the type or condition of
the cookware.

They said if was covered under the warranty and will be replaced at their
expense.

jmcquown > wrote:
> Bishoop wrote:
> > The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
> >
> >
> > I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.

I'd surely raise hell with them about it if they don't
cover it under warranty. It shouldn't do that.

> My comment: This is why I *don't* want a glass top range!

I know the old 1970's ceramic top ranges had a tendency to crack
from thermal stress, but the new glass tops don't seem to have
that problem. While I would not have chosen a glass top
for myself, the house we boght 9 years ago had one in it
and until we remodel it is not likely to change. Works well
and we have never had any compunction about using cast iron,
large pots, small pots, a pressure canner, and some fairly
big stock pots. No cracks so far. Believe me, if they were
anywhere near as delicate as some people want to believe we
would have broken it years ago. Of course, ours is a
"Magic Chef" brand, not Kitchen Aid, but I can't imagine
it's really that much better. I think the OP just got
one with a defect.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

In article >, writes:

>mcquown > wrote:
>> Bishoop wrote:
>> > The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>> >
>> >
>> > I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>
>I'd surely raise hell with them about it if they don't
>cover it under warranty.

How will they be able to prove that a big pot or other heavy object wasn't
dropped on the stove top, and whoops!, the glass broke, huh? Generally
warrantys do not cover negligence, especially where glass is involved.... I
believe one would need to obtain specific insurance for stove top glass
coverage, same as one does for auto glass. My GE Profile gas stove has a glass
insert oven door, the glass is not covered against breakage under the stove's
warranty.


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PENMART01 wrote:
| In article >, writes:
|
|| mcquown > wrote:
||| Bishoop wrote:
|||| The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
||||
||||
|||| I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
||
|| I'd surely raise hell with them about it if they don't
|| cover it under warranty.
|
| How will they be able to prove that a big pot or other heavy object
| wasn't dropped on the stove top, and whoops!, the glass broke, huh?
| Generally warrantys do not cover negligence, especially where glass
| is involved.... I believe one would need to obtain specific insurance
| for stove top glass coverage, same as one does for auto glass. My GE
| Profile gas stove has a glass insert oven door, the glass is not
| covered against breakage under the stove's warranty.
|
|
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The glass top and 'all' other parts ARE covered under the KitchenAid
warranty, no exclusions. The warranty does NOT apply when something is
dropped on the top. As with most any warranty negligence isn't covered.

I think by inspecting the crack it is obvious whether or not they were
caused by mechanical impact. I believe there would be 'chips' in the area
of the initial impact.

PENMART01 wrote:

> How will they be able to prove that a big pot or other heavy object wasn't
> dropped on the stove top, and whoops!, the glass broke, huh? Generally
> warrantys do not cover negligence, especially where glass is involved.... I
> believe one would need to obtain specific insurance for stove top glass
> coverage, same as one does for auto glass. My GE Profile gas stove has a glass
> insert oven door, the glass is not covered against breakage under the stove's
> warranty.

Warranty scrutiny varys widely. KA has always accepted my claims
with no questions asked. They've sent me everything from parts
to complete replacements with no delay and at their expense.

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"Bishoop" writes:

>PENMART01 wrote:
writes:
>|
>|| mcquown > wrote:
>||| Bishoop wrote:
>|||| The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>||||
>||||
>|||| I wonder if this is going to be covered under the warranty.
>||
>|| I'd surely raise hell with them about it if they don't
>|| cover it under warranty.
>|
>| How will they be able to prove that a big pot or other heavy object
>| wasn't dropped on the stove top, and whoops!, the glass broke, huh?
>| Generally warrantys do not cover negligence, especially where glass
>| is involved.... I believe one would need to obtain specific insurance
>| for stove top glass coverage, same as one does for auto glass.

>The warranty does NOT apply when something is
>dropped on the top. As with most any warranty negligence isn't covered.

That's what I said, can''t you read.

>I think by inspecting the crack it is obvious whether or not they were
>caused by mechanical impact. I believe there would be 'chips' in the area
>of the initial impact.

Chips, schmips... matters not. What you believe doesn't count. What counts is
the perception (and disposition) of the stove manufacturer's claims
representive. When the guy shows up to inspect... does your wife have big boobs
(I mean other than you and your son)? I'm serious... have her flash a lot of
cleavage and I promise that rep will never even consider negligence... crack,
what crack?

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .




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PENMART01 wrote:

<useless blabbering snipped>

Reading back through a few of your previous posts it quickly became very
obvious that you have nothing useful to add.

Plonk!

Bishoop" writes:

>PENMART01 wrote:
>
><useless blabbering snipped>
>
>Reading back through a few of your previous posts it quickly became very
>obvious that you have nothing useful to add.
>
>Plonk!

Hehe, amazing how posting the truth is so predictable. LOLOL


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Trent© writes:
>
>Sumwon sez:
>>It tends to "rock" on the flat glass surface...
>>This can increase the danger of cracking your stove top. :-)
>
>How can it increase the danger of cracking?

Uneven surfaces concentrate pressure.


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On 01 Dec 2003 03:27:34 GMT, (PENMART01)
wrote:

> sf > writes:
>
> I'll bet none of yoose, including the ever elusive
> Ray, have no qualms about using gas grills, which are far more dangerous than
> all of the above...

Reising hand....I DON'T EVER use a gas grill - it's too
creepy for me.

> heck, driving an automobile is a zillion times more
> dangerous than operating any household appliance, gas or electric.. and Ray's
> pick up is even more dangerous, especially sporting that gun rack and redneck
> rebel flag. <G>

That Rebel Flag will get him into deep trouble in Union
territory, fer sher.

However, I've seen gun racks sporting 3 or 4 foot long
levels, so I can testify that people are using them
creatively these days.

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:31:49 -0500, AzuReBlue
> wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:52:05 -0600, "jmcquown"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
> > > paranoia about cooking with gas.
> > >
> >
> > I with Ray - especially about the ovens... and gas dryers
> > too.
> >
> > They're creepy, latently dangerous and much more of a
> > concern to me than some electric coil "bursting" (never
> > heard that one before).
> >
>
> After reading that, I'm looking at my appliances in a whole new light
> now :-) Everything in my house is gas - stove, hot water heater, furnace
> and dryer. Maybe it's a regional thing, but here in mich. gas is alot
> cheaper than electric and if the power goes out, I can still cook and
> take a hot shower.

The fuel you use for your heat is your least expensive fuel.
We use gas for our furnace and hot water heater. Therefore
gas is less expensive. If all I cared about was the
expense, I'd cook with gas and dry my clothes with gas...
but I can't do it. It absolutely creeps me out to use a gas
oven or dryer because I'm from an era when there were no
safeguards (although I'm getting better about the thought of
gas stovetops).

The only way I can justify my non-reluctance about using gas
for the furnace and water heater is:
Out of sight, out of mind.

I'm from Michigan originally, but when I lived there our
heat was oil not gas. We had huge tanks which the
supplier's truck pumped oil into and they had to be a
certain number of yards from the house in case they blew up.
Oil, gas.... <shiver>

> It seems to heat the house alot better too.

Gas is central heat. Electric is not. That's why gas
"seems" to heat houses better. You NEED central heat in
Michigan... in fact if your house is big enough, you'll need
two "central" heat furnaces to be comfortable.

On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 00:31:49 -0500, AzuReBlue
> wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:52:05 -0600, "jmcquown"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > And Ray won't hear of a gas range; he's got a terrible
> > > paranoia about cooking with gas.
> > >
> >
> > I with Ray - especially about the ovens... and gas dryers
> > too.
> >
> > They're creepy, latently dangerous and much more of a
> > concern to me than some electric coil "bursting" (never
> > heard that one before).
> >
>
> After reading that, I'm looking at my appliances in a whole new light
> now :-) Everything in my house is gas - stove, hot water heater, furnace
> and dryer. Maybe it's a regional thing, but here in mich. gas is alot
> cheaper than electric and if the power goes out, I can still cook and
> take a hot shower. It seems to heat the house alot better too.

The fuel you use to heat your house is your least expensive
fuel, because it's considered the "main" fuel.

We use gas for our furnace and hot water heater. Therefore
gas is less expensive. If all I cared about was the
expense, I'd cook with gas and dry my clothes with gas...
but I can't do it. It absolutely creeps me out to use a gas
oven or dryer (I'm getting better about gas stovetops but I
don't want one in my home).

The only way I can rectify my non-reluctance about using gas
for the furnace and water heater is:
Out of sight, out of mind.


I'm from Michigan too, but when I lived there, our heat was
oil, not gas. We had huge tanks that the supplier's truck
pumped oil into and they had to be a certain number of yards
from the house in case they blew up. Oil/gas... get it?

"Trent©" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 11:22:33 -0600, Katra >
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >dogsnus wrote:
> >>
> >> Katra > wrote in :
> >>
> >> >
> >> > You CAN replace just the top for a fraction of the price of replacing
> >> > the stove. Do it. It's worth it.
> >> >
> >> > And never EVER use a pan that is warped...
> >>
> >> Okay, never having had that type of stove, I'll bite.
> >> What happens when you use a pan that is warped?
> >>
> >> Terri
> >
> >
> >It tends to "rock" on the flat glass surface...
> >This can increase the danger of cracking your stove top. :-)
>
> How can it increase the danger of cracking?
>
> Have a nice week...
>
> Trent
>
> Certified breast self-exam subcontractor.

Well, it's how we cracked the top of the first one we ever had. :-)
It came with the house when we moved in. I don't know how old it was and
I don't remember the brand... All I know is that mom was using an old
pressure cooker on it with a warped bottom, and it was rocking, and that
is when and where it cracked. While it might not apply, we choose not to
take the chance with the new one even tho' it is a much better top.

K.

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In article >,
says...

> The fuel you use for your heat is your least expensive fuel.
> We use gas for our furnace and hot water heater. Therefore
> gas is less expensive. If all I cared about was the
> expense, I'd cook with gas and dry my clothes with gas...
> but I can't do it. It absolutely creeps me out to use a gas
> oven or dryer because I'm from an era when there were no
> safeguards (although I'm getting better about the thought of
> gas stovetops).
>
I just like the way gas stoves cook. I don't know about new electric
stoves, but the last one I had (admittedly years ago) only had "low"
"medium-low" "medium"..etc. and with gas, It seems I get a more precise
cooking temperature.
The only thing that freaks me out about gas is when the occasional
random house will just *explode* to bits due to a gas leak.

> The only way I can justify my non-reluctance about using gas
> for the furnace and water heater is:
> Out of sight, out of mind.
>
> I'm from Michigan originally, but when I lived there our
> heat was oil not gas. We had huge tanks which the
> supplier's truck pumped oil into and they had to be a
> certain number of yards from the house in case they blew up.
> Oil, gas.... <shiver>
>

Alot of people Up North still have the big "pig" in the yard. I live in
the Detroit 'burbs and rely on good old Mich Con.

> > It seems to heat the house alot better too.
>
> Gas is central heat. Electric is not. That's why gas
> "seems" to heat houses better. You NEED central heat in
> Michigan... in fact if your house is big enough, you'll need
> two "central" heat furnaces to be comfortable.
>
I wholeheartedly concur.

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"sf" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'm from Michigan originally, but when I lived there our
> heat was oil not gas. We had huge tanks which the
> supplier's truck pumped oil into and they had to be a
> certain number of yards from the house in case they blew up.
> Oil, gas.... <shiver>

It takes quite a bit of energy, aka spark to ignite No. 2 heating oil. You
can toss a match on a bucket of it and it won't ignite.

Jack Mobil

On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:11:57 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote:

>
>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> I'm from Michigan originally, but when I lived there our
>> heat was oil not gas. We had huge tanks which the
>> supplier's truck pumped oil into and they had to be a
>> certain number of yards from the house in case they blew up.
>> Oil, gas.... <shiver>
>
>It takes quite a bit of energy, aka spark to ignite No. 2 heating oil. You
>can toss a match on a bucket of it and it won't ignite.
>
>Jack Mobil
>
The tanks usually don't blow...on the old systems, the boilers do, or
the burners. I have seen the results of an oil burner fire (again,
not the tank)...greasy smoke all over the place. What a mess.

Many of the oil tanks are in the basements or under the front porch
here in NJ...no laws about the distance from the house. In fact, there
was a case where the home owners had converted to gas & had the tank
removed, but somehow the oil company did not know & when the usual
delivery time rolled around, filled part of the basement through the
usual hose coupling outside.

I only had gas heat in Michigan, so I don't know about oil there.

Boron

PENMART01 > wrote:
> In article >, writes:

> >I'd surely raise hell with them about it if they don't
> >cover it under warranty.

> How will they be able to prove that a big pot or other heavy object wasn't
> dropped on the stove top, and whoops!, the glass broke, huh? Generally
> warrantys do not cover negligence, especially where glass is involved.... I

Dropping something on it will cause a different type of
damage than it just cracking in use, assuming they even
bother to look and are honest about it. But, I see the
OP has already gotten KA to agree to replacement on just
his word that nothing was dropped on it.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

"Bishoop" > wrote in message
...
> | "Bishoop" > wrote in message
> | ...
> || The glass top on our 11 month old Kitchen Aid range just cracked.
>
> They said if was covered under the warranty and will be replaced at their
> expense.

Glad to hear it will be covered under warranty. My Maytag instruction book says
that when a pan is too large for the burner, it reflects the heat down and that
the additional heat reflecting on the glass can cause cracking. Anyway, I've
had my glass top for 10 years without problems but I've been careful not to use
too large a pan nor have I ever tried putting a roaster across two burners.

Gigi wrote:
>
> "Bishoop" > wrote in message

> > They said if was covered under the warranty and will be replaced at their
> > expense.
>
> Glad to hear it will be covered under warranty. My Maytag instruction book says
> that when a pan is too large for the burner, it reflects the heat down and that
> the additional heat reflecting on the glass can cause cracking. Anyway, I've
> had my glass top for 10 years without problems but I've been careful not to use
> too large a pan nor have I ever tried putting a roaster across two burners.

I must say, I wasn't tempted to get a glass top range (I have gas,
hahahahahahaha), but nothing I've read has tempted me to consider
one in the future.

nancy

dogsnus wrote:
>
>
> I think I'll stick with my old gas stove.
>
> It's got some cosmetic issues, such as the enamel on top has been repaired
> at one point and that's starting to peel a bit.
> But, it not only came with the house, it's also the first time
> in my life I've had a gas range and I'm loving it.
> It cooks different, requiring me to also cook a bit different.
>
> We've been in this new house for @ 6 weeks now, so my budget
> isn't going to allow me a new stove anytime soon.
> Since you mentioned your pressure cooker, I'm curious
> now to see how well my canner will work on this stove, too.
>
> Terri

We had a gas stove in our home until we sold it when I was 19... :-)
Mom canned many, many jars of tomatoes, berries, fish, even some
rattlesnake. <G> It actually took both of us awhile to learn to cook on
electric since we had had gas for so long!

You'll be ok, but it IS different than cooking on electric!

If I was not so afraid of having a flammable liquid pumped inside my
home...... <G>

K.

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sf > writes:
>
>However, I've seen gun racks sporting 3 or 4 foot long
>levels, so I can testify that people are using them
>creatively these days.

In many areas guns are not permitted to be displayed in those racks except
during hunting season... displaying the carpenter levels is simply a way for
the rednecks to advertize that they have a job.... but most display fishin'
poles off hunting season.




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In article > , "Jack Schidt®"
> writes:

>"sf" > wrote in message
.. .
>>
>> I'm from Michigan originally, but when I lived there our
>> heat was oil not gas. We had huge tanks which the
>> supplier's truck pumped oil into and they had to be a
>> certain number of yards from the house in case they blew up.
>> Oil, gas.... <shiver>
>
>It takes quite a bit of energy, aka spark to ignite No. 2 heating oil. You
>can toss a match on a bucket of it and it won't ignite.
>
>Jack Mobil

Even with a proper spark (about 12,000+ volts) No.2 home heating oil still
needs to first be *atomized*... its vapors alone will not readily ignite...
house fires directly attributed to home heating oil are *extremely* rare.
Fires/explosions from modern *pilotless* gas appliances are also *extremely*
rare. However, with high voltage electric appliances such as stoves and
clothes dryers house fires and electrocutions are not so rare... most
especially during this holiday season, when there's lots of cooking, company,
laundry, over-worked fridges, overloaded circuitry, extension cords from
decorations, and booze.

Btw, unless you're absolutely positive that your home wiring is in top notch
condition and is more than adequate for carrying its normal load, do NOT run
electric clothes dryers and/or electric stoves while an array of decorative
lights are energized... if you need to cook or dry clothes de-energize all
strings of holiday lighting... folks who live in older homes whose wiring
hasn't been inspected and upgraded recently are extremely vulnerable. Never
leave that tree lit without someone in the same room, someone sober.


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