On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 20:45:43 -0500, Steve Wertz
> wrote:

>Visiting the FoodTV.com (www.foodnetwork.com) is a PITA on slower
>dialup modems. I've appended these entries to my 'hosts' file and
>the FoodTV pages now take about 1/3rd of the time to load.
>
>127.0.0.1 adsremote.scripps.com
>127.0.0.1 images.scripps.com
>127.0.0.1 www.scripps.com
>127.0.0.1 scripps.com
>127.0.0.1 www.diynet.com
>127.0.0.1 www.fineliving.com
>127.0.0.1 www.hgtv.com
>127.0.0.1 te.hgtv.com
>127.0.0.1 www.shopathometv.com
>
>For Windows 95/98/ME the file is c:\windows\hosts
>For Windows NT/2000/XP the file is c:\windows\drivers\etc\hosts
>For Unix's and Linux's the file is /etc/hosts.
>
>Note that this turns off the HGTV, FineLiving, and DIYNet
>websites, too. So if you visit those sites, don't add the
>respective lines above. The most important entries are the
>scripps.com entries (FoodTV's parent company?) which is where they
>get their ads and set most of their cookies.

I have a file named HOSTS in

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ETC

(WinXP - Home)

Is this what you're talking about? It *is* maddening to go to the
FoodTV site. Thanks for the hint.

Frogleg wrote:

> It *is* maddening to go to the
> FoodTV site. Thanks for the hint.


Considering the worthlessness of their programming it really hardly matters.

--
Best
Greg

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> Visiting the FoodTV.com (www.foodnetwork.com) is a PITA on slower
> dialup modems. I've appended these entries to my 'hosts' file and
> the FoodTV pages now take about 1/3rd of the time to load.
>
> 127.0.0.1 adsremote.scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 images.scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.diynet.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.fineliving.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.hgtv.com
> 127.0.0.1 te.hgtv.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.shopathometv.com
>
> For Windows 95/98/ME the file is c:\windows\hosts
> For Windows NT/2000/XP the file is c:\windows\drivers\etc\hosts
> For Unix's and Linux's the file is /etc/hosts.
>
> Note that this turns off the HGTV, FineLiving, and DIYNet
> websites, too. So if you visit those sites, don't add the
> respective lines above. The most important entries are the
> scripps.com entries (FoodTV's parent company?) which is where they
> get their ads and set most of their cookies.
>
> I do this for all the websites I visit often, but are littered
> with obnoxious ads that take forever to load. My hosts file is
> over 500 lines long.


Wow, sounds like magic. Trouble is, Web pages chgange. Just how helpful is
loading cached web pages when they change often and you have no mechanism
for refreshing your cache?

Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.

Paul

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> Visiting the FoodTV.com (www.foodnetwork.com) is a PITA on slower
> dialup modems. I've appended these entries to my 'hosts' file and
> the FoodTV pages now take about 1/3rd of the time to load.
>
> 127.0.0.1 adsremote.scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 images.scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 scripps.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.diynet.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.fineliving.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.hgtv.com
> 127.0.0.1 te.hgtv.com
> 127.0.0.1 www.shopathometv.com
>
> For Windows 95/98/ME the file is c:\windows\hosts
> For Windows NT/2000/XP the file is c:\windows\drivers\etc\hosts
> For Unix's and Linux's the file is /etc/hosts.
>
> Note that this turns off the HGTV, FineLiving, and DIYNet
> websites, too. So if you visit those sites, don't add the
> respective lines above. The most important entries are the
> scripps.com entries (FoodTV's parent company?) which is where they
> get their ads and set most of their cookies.
>
> I do this for all the websites I visit often, but are littered
> with obnoxious ads that take forever to load. My hosts file is
> over 500 lines long.


Wow, sounds like magic. Trouble is, Web pages chgange. Just how helpful is
loading cached web pages when they change often and you have no mechanism
for refreshing your cache?

Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook©®" > wrote in news:39QIc.48299
:

> Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.

His guidance was correct. Spoof entries in /etc/hosts are a great way to
black hole servers that you don't want to get content from.

I can never remember where Windows hides this file, so I just do a find
file for a file named "hosts" in a directory named "etc". (MS keeps moving
it from version to version.) Fortunately my text editor makes it easy to do
this search in about a second. I just have it look for the file "\win*\**
\etc\hosts" and it pops up any matches, of which normally there's only one.

"Paul M. Cook©®" > wrote in news:39QIc.48299
:

> Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.

His guidance was correct. Spoof entries in /etc/hosts are a great way to
black hole servers that you don't want to get content from.

I can never remember where Windows hides this file, so I just do a find
file for a file named "hosts" in a directory named "etc". (MS keeps moving
it from version to version.) Fortunately my text editor makes it easy to do
this search in about a second. I just have it look for the file "\win*\**
\etc\hosts" and it pops up any matches, of which normally there's only one.

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:59:59 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >Wow, sounds like magic. Trouble is, Web pages chgange. Just how helpful
is
> >loading cached web pages when they change often and you have no mechanism
> >for refreshing your cache?
>
> No mechanism for refreshing the cache? What do you think the
> 'Reload' button is on every browsers toolbar? Duh. All browsers
> have a way to empty the complete cache as well, usually under
> tools or preferences. but that's unnecessary in this case since
> this is a DNS change. Note that many of FoodTV's pages are
> dynamic as well, which means that they'll always reload regardless
> of the cache. Duh - again.

No "automatic" method is what I meant unless you want to write uyp some
script to refresh your cache based on your host file. Seems like one heck
of a lot of trouble to save a couple of second. Sorry for sounding flip. I
just don't see the advantage.

> Unless you're using a thrid-party DNS caching software add-on
> (which you aren't), the changes will be implemented the next time
> you open your browser or press the reload button.
>
> >Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.
>
> You're free to use my suggestion, or poo-poo it as defective -
> which is isn't. But don't come in here babbling about those
> things which you don't have a clue about.

Been in the system and networking business since 1981. Whiule in college I
worked on a project which later became DARPANet protocol. Been around
computers a long time - it's my profession. This is my 23rd year in IT. I
run my own consulting business and specialize in wide area networking.

I still say just get broadband and stop messing around with massive host
files. We went through a lot of trouble for you - so use it!

> I'll be eagerly awaiting your next clueless outburst. Sheesh,
> What an asshole (That was for you, Wayne ;-)

I apologized for sounding flip. But your idea is bulky and hard to maintan
and what is the point? Get a faster connection.

Paul

"ScratchMonkey" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Paul M. Cook©®" > wrote in news:39QIc.48299
> :
>
> > Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.
>
> His guidance was correct. Spoof entries in /etc/hosts are a great way to
> black hole servers that you don't want to get content from.

Sure, you can localhost them. You can also do this for adservers. But it
becomes extremely hard to maintain when a free piece of software does it for
you. Better yet a firewall.

> I can never remember where Windows hides this file, so I just do a find
> file for a file named "hosts" in a directory named "etc". (MS keeps moving
> it from version to version.) Fortunately my text editor makes it easy to
do
> this search in about a second. I just have it look for the file "\win*\**
> \etc\hosts" and it pops up any matches, of which normally there's only
one.

Paul

"ScratchMonkey" > wrote in message
. ..
> "Paul M. Cook©®" > wrote in news:39QIc.48299
> :
>
> > Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.
>
> His guidance was correct. Spoof entries in /etc/hosts are a great way to
> black hole servers that you don't want to get content from.

Sure, you can localhost them. You can also do this for adservers. But it
becomes extremely hard to maintain when a free piece of software does it for
you. Better yet a firewall.

> I can never remember where Windows hides this file, so I just do a find
> file for a file named "hosts" in a directory named "etc". (MS keeps moving
> it from version to version.) Fortunately my text editor makes it easy to
do
> this search in about a second. I just have it look for the file "\win*\**
> \etc\hosts" and it pops up any matches, of which normally there's only
one.

Paul

> Why do I have to get broadband to satisfy you? I'm perfectly fine
> with the connection I have now. If I can tweak it to make it
> faster or help someone else to make it faster, why should it
> bother you?


It really doesn't. Again I was in a bad mood after a day fighting with an
ignorant client who thinks because he assembled a white box he can tell me
how to configure his network.

Paul

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:40:26 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
>>Sure, you can localhost them. You can also do this for adservers.
>>But it becomes extremely hard to maintain when a free piece of
>>software does it for you. Better yet a firewall.
>
> I don't know of any free software that does this for you/ Kazaa
> will populated your hosts file with a bunch of known ad servers,
> but they don't include the private ad servers for sites such as
> FoodTV.
>
> -sw
>

Agreed. Too much bull shit for too little content.

--
StocksRus®

"StocksRus®" > wrote in message
50...
> Steve Wertz > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:40:26 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>Sure, you can localhost them. You can also do this for adservers.
> >>But it becomes extremely hard to maintain when a free piece of
> >>software does it for you. Better yet a firewall.
> >
> > I don't know of any free software that does this for you/ Kazaa
> > will populated your hosts file with a bunch of known ad servers,
> > but they don't include the private ad servers for sites such as
> > FoodTV.
> >
> > -sw
> >
>
> Agreed. Too much bull shit for too little content.


Sadly, that is the state of the whole channel. Massive pandering to a bunch
of nostalgic yuppies who want to reconnect with the candy of their youth.
Then there is Emeril ... always Emeril ....

Bleah.

Paul

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:59:59 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
>>Wow, sounds like magic. Trouble is, Web pages chgange. Just how
>>helpful is loading cached web pages when they change often and you
>>have no mechanism for refreshing your cache?
>
> No mechanism for refreshing the cache? What do you think the
> 'Reload' button is on every browsers toolbar? Duh. All browsers
> have a way to empty the complete cache as well, usually under
> tools or preferences. but that's unnecessary in this case since
> this is a DNS change. Note that many of FoodTV's pages are
> dynamic as well, which means that they'll always reload regardless
> of the cache. Duh - again.
>
> Unless you're using a thrid-party DNS caching software add-on
> (which you aren't), the changes will be implemented the next time
> you open your browser or press the reload button.
>
>>Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.
>
> You're free to use my suggestion, or poo-poo it as defective -
> which is isn't. But don't come in here babbling about those
> things which you don't have a clue about.
>
> I'll be eagerly awaiting your next clueless outburst. Sheesh,
> What an asshole (That was for you, Wayne ;-)
>
> -sw
>

Thanks for posting this hint, Steve. It's very helpful!

--
Wayne in Phoenix

If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.

"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Wertz > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:59:59 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >>Wow, sounds like magic. Trouble is, Web pages chgange. Just how
> >>helpful is loading cached web pages when they change often and you
> >>have no mechanism for refreshing your cache?
> >
> > No mechanism for refreshing the cache? What do you think the
> > 'Reload' button is on every browsers toolbar? Duh. All browsers
> > have a way to empty the complete cache as well, usually under
> > tools or preferences. but that's unnecessary in this case since
> > this is a DNS change. Note that many of FoodTV's pages are
> > dynamic as well, which means that they'll always reload regardless
> > of the cache. Duh - again.
> >
> > Unless you're using a thrid-party DNS caching software add-on
> > (which you aren't), the changes will be implemented the next time
> > you open your browser or press the reload button.
> >
> >>Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't one.
> >
> > You're free to use my suggestion, or poo-poo it as defective -
> > which is isn't. But don't come in here babbling about those
> > things which you don't have a clue about.
> >
> > I'll be eagerly awaiting your next clueless outburst. Sheesh,
> > What an asshole (That was for you, Wayne ;-)
> >
> > -sw
> >
>
> Thanks for posting this hint, Steve. It's very helpful!
>

Get broadband - you'll never look back.

Paul
..

"Paul M. Cook©®" > wrote in news:EebJc.58877
:

>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Steve Wertz > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:59:59 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Wow, sounds like magic. Trouble is, Web pages chgange. Just how
>> >>helpful is loading cached web pages when they change often and you
>> >>have no mechanism for refreshing your cache?
>> >
>> > No mechanism for refreshing the cache? What do you think the
>> > 'Reload' button is on every browsers toolbar? Duh. All browsers
>> > have a way to empty the complete cache as well, usually under
>> > tools or preferences. but that's unnecessary in this case since
>> > this is a DNS change. Note that many of FoodTV's pages are
>> > dynamic as well, which means that they'll always reload regardless
>> > of the cache. Duh - again.
>> >
>> > Unless you're using a thrid-party DNS caching software add-on
>> > (which you aren't), the changes will be implemented the next time
>> > you open your browser or press the reload button.
>> >
>> >>Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't
one.
>> >
>> > You're free to use my suggestion, or poo-poo it as defective -
>> > which is isn't. But don't come in here babbling about those
>> > things which you don't have a clue about.
>> >
>> > I'll be eagerly awaiting your next clueless outburst. Sheesh,
>> > What an asshole (That was for you, Wayne ;-)
>> >
>> > -sw
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for posting this hint, Steve. It's very helpful!
>>
>
> Get broadband - you'll never look back.
>
> Paul

Some don't have that as an option.

--
StocksRus®

"Paul M. Cook©®" > wrote in
:

>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Steve Wertz > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:59:59 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >>Wow, sounds like magic. Trouble is, Web pages chgange. Just how
>> >>helpful is loading cached web pages when they change often and you
>> >>have no mechanism for refreshing your cache?
>> >
>> > No mechanism for refreshing the cache? What do you think the
>> > 'Reload' button is on every browsers toolbar? Duh. All browsers
>> > have a way to empty the complete cache as well, usually under
>> > tools or preferences. but that's unnecessary in this case since
>> > this is a DNS change. Note that many of FoodTV's pages are
>> > dynamic as well, which means that they'll always reload regardless
>> > of the cache. Duh - again.
>> >
>> > Unless you're using a thrid-party DNS caching software add-on
>> > (which you aren't), the changes will be implemented the next time
>> > you open your browser or press the reload button.
>> >
>> >>Get broadband dude, and stop playing computer expert. You aren't
>> >>one.
>> >
>> > You're free to use my suggestion, or poo-poo it as defective -
>> > which is isn't. But don't come in here babbling about those
>> > things which you don't have a clue about.
>> >
>> > I'll be eagerly awaiting your next clueless outburst. Sheesh,
>> > What an asshole (That was for you, Wayne ;-)
>> >
>> > -sw
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for posting this hint, Steve. It's very helpful!
>>
>
> Get broadband - you'll never look back.
>
> Paul

It's not available where I live.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> Just make sure you don't edit hosts.sam (which can be confused
> easily the way Windows sometimes hides file extensions in the file
> Explorer). The file is simply "hosts" with no extension. You'll
> need to edit it with notepad (not Word or Wordpad as that can
> introduce unwanted characters).

Hiding filename extensions is Evil. It's the first thing I change when
working on a Windows box, as it's the source of uncountable mistakes not to
mention lots of malicious mischief.

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> Just make sure you don't edit hosts.sam (which can be confused
> easily the way Windows sometimes hides file extensions in the file
> Explorer). The file is simply "hosts" with no extension. You'll
> need to edit it with notepad (not Word or Wordpad as that can
> introduce unwanted characters).

Hiding filename extensions is Evil. It's the first thing I change when
working on a Windows box, as it's the source of uncountable mistakes not to
mention lots of malicious mischief.

ScratchMonkey wrote:

> Hiding filename extensions is Evil. It's the first thing I change when
> working on a Windows box, as it's the source of uncountable mistakes not to
> mention lots of malicious mischief.

It's not a matter of "hiding" the file extension. The hosts file
is a legacy of unix, which does not have a native concept of
file extension.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:16:04 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >Get broadband - you'll never look back.
>
> You know, that's like telling everyone they need a 60" wide screen
> High Definition TV.
>
> I hate when people say "you need this, and you need that". Do you
> realize how pompous and arrogant that sounds?


Well as it is I think TVs are a waste of money. I'm happy with my old
fashioned 27 inch JVC. There are plenty of more important things to be
pompous and arrogant over than TVs or one's network connection. I just made
the point that once you use it, you'll wish you never heard of a modem.

Paul

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:30:55 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:16:04 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Get broadband - you'll never look back.
> >>
> >> You know, that's like telling everyone they need a 60" wide screen
> >> High Definition TV.
> >>
> >> I hate when people say "you need this, and you need that". Do you
> >> realize how pompous and arrogant that sounds?
> >
> >Well as it is I think TVs are a waste of money. I'm happy with my old
> >fashioned 27 inch JVC. There are plenty of more important things to be
> >pompous and arrogant over than TVs or one's network connection. I just
made
> >the point that once you use it, you'll wish you never heard of a modem.
>
> Dude - once you've watched a 60" Wide Screen HDTV, you'll wish you
> never heard of a 27" JVC POS. You don't know what you're missing;
> get with the times, man.
>
> Funny how that works, eh?


Eh, my supplier also sells RCA big screens. He's got 4 models on the floor
and I see them every time I stop in. No big deal really, and they just are
not that much more clear than an ordinary TV. I'll spend the money on a
temperature controlled wine cabinet instead.

Paul

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:30:55 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:16:04 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Get broadband - you'll never look back.
> >>
> >> You know, that's like telling everyone they need a 60" wide screen
> >> High Definition TV.
> >>
> >> I hate when people say "you need this, and you need that". Do you
> >> realize how pompous and arrogant that sounds?
> >
> >Well as it is I think TVs are a waste of money. I'm happy with my old
> >fashioned 27 inch JVC. There are plenty of more important things to be
> >pompous and arrogant over than TVs or one's network connection. I just
made
> >the point that once you use it, you'll wish you never heard of a modem.
>
> Dude - once you've watched a 60" Wide Screen HDTV, you'll wish you
> never heard of a 27" JVC POS. You don't know what you're missing;
> get with the times, man.
>
> Funny how that works, eh?


Eh, my supplier also sells RCA big screens. He's got 4 models on the floor
and I see them every time I stop in. No big deal really, and they just are
not that much more clear than an ordinary TV. I'll spend the money on a
temperature controlled wine cabinet instead.

Paul

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:25:31 GMT, Reg > wrote:
>
> >ScratchMonkey wrote:
> >
> >> Hiding filename extensions is Evil. It's the first thing I change when
> >> working on a Windows box, as it's the source of uncountable mistakes
not to
> >> mention lots of malicious mischief.
> >
> >It's not a matter of "hiding" the file extension. The hosts file
> >is a legacy of unix, which does not have a native concept of
> >file extension.
>
> Since when has MS tried to be complaint or emulate any other OS?
> I think the fact that they didn't name hosts as hosts.txt (or
> hosts.ini) was just an oversight.


Snce day 1, dude. MS-DOS was originally a ported version of CPM to the 8080
processor which Gates and Allen bought for 50 grand. The Windows interface
and mouse functionality was ripped off from Apple who ripped it off from
Xerox. M$ has never had an original idea that I am aware of unless you
include OEM licensing which is the core of their power.

Paul

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:25:31 GMT, Reg > wrote:
>
> >ScratchMonkey wrote:
> >
> >> Hiding filename extensions is Evil. It's the first thing I change when
> >> working on a Windows box, as it's the source of uncountable mistakes
not to
> >> mention lots of malicious mischief.
> >
> >It's not a matter of "hiding" the file extension. The hosts file
> >is a legacy of unix, which does not have a native concept of
> >file extension.
>
> Since when has MS tried to be complaint or emulate any other OS?
> I think the fact that they didn't name hosts as hosts.txt (or
> hosts.ini) was just an oversight.


Snce day 1, dude. MS-DOS was originally a ported version of CPM to the 8080
processor which Gates and Allen bought for 50 grand. The Windows interface
and mouse functionality was ripped off from Apple who ripped it off from
Xerox. M$ has never had an original idea that I am aware of unless you
include OEM licensing which is the core of their power.

Paul

> ObFood: Chicken stroganoff for dinner.


Chicken stroganoff??? ... seriously?

Paul

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:48:18 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
>
> >> Since when has MS tried to be complaint or emulate any other OS?
> >> I think the fact that they didn't name hosts as hosts.txt (or
> >> hosts.ini) was just an oversight.
> >
> >Snce day 1, dude. MS-DOS was originally a ported version of CPM to the
8080
> >processor which Gates and Allen bought for 50 grand. The Windows
interface
> >and mouse functionality was ripped off from Apple who ripped it off from
> >Xerox.
>
> So they took a few ideas and some code from other OS's. That's
> how most products are born and evolved [stolen] nowdays. MS-DOS
> (PC-DOS) was nothing like CP/M though. More like Unix, just
> shitier.
>
> >M$ has never had an original idea that I am aware of unless you
> >include OEM licensing which is the core of their power.
>
> So you're saying that all the functions of Windows have been
> ripped off from other OS's - including the idea of associating
> file extensions with certain programs? That's pretty far-fetched.


Not hardly. It's been done on every OS I've ever worked on including VMS,
NOS, RSTS, KRONOS and a slew of others. The idea predated M$ by years.

Paul

"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:48:18 GMT, "Paul M. Cook©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Steve Wertz" > wrote in message
>
> >> Since when has MS tried to be complaint or emulate any other OS?
> >> I think the fact that they didn't name hosts as hosts.txt (or
> >> hosts.ini) was just an oversight.
> >
> >Snce day 1, dude. MS-DOS was originally a ported version of CPM to the
8080
> >processor which Gates and Allen bought for 50 grand. The Windows
interface
> >and mouse functionality was ripped off from Apple who ripped it off from
> >Xerox.
>
> So they took a few ideas and some code from other OS's. That's
> how most products are born and evolved [stolen] nowdays. MS-DOS
> (PC-DOS) was nothing like CP/M though. More like Unix, just
> shitier.
>
> >M$ has never had an original idea that I am aware of unless you
> >include OEM licensing which is the core of their power.
>
> So you're saying that all the functions of Windows have been
> ripped off from other OS's - including the idea of associating
> file extensions with certain programs? That's pretty far-fetched.


Not hardly. It's been done on every OS I've ever worked on including VMS,
NOS, RSTS, KRONOS and a slew of others. The idea predated M$ by years.

Paul

Steve Wertz wrote:

> ObPompous: *I* remember when there were only *three* file
> extensions used to start/open a file by the OS: COM, BAT, and EXE
> (SYS wasn't mandatory). Hrmpf!

Oh yeah? Well I go back the the days when computers memories
were a single bit. Well, you had two bits if you were lucky.
The CPU clock speed was measured in cycles per year. And
it was all powered by a goat on a big treadmill.

My first modem actually had a negative number for a transfer
rate. Downloads took really long.

--
Reg email: RegForte (at) (that free MS email service) (dot) com

"ScratchMonkey" wrote:
> > The CPU clock speed was measured in cycles per year. And
> > it was all powered by a goat on a big treadmill.
>
> Mine used giant space hamsters. They were also used for their meat. It was
> shortened to sp-ham and then to just spam.
>
> (Blatantly stolen from the AD&D Spelljammer add-on, in which the space
> hamster treadmills powered the gnomes' 'jammers.)

Okay, fine. As long as it's not buttered cats, I'm not concerned.

As for the tidal wave of geek speak in this thread, UNCLE!! I give up!
Enough already!

PLEASE!!!!

"ScratchMonkey" wrote:
> > The CPU clock speed was measured in cycles per year. And
> > it was all powered by a goat on a big treadmill.
>
> Mine used giant space hamsters. They were also used for their meat. It was
> shortened to sp-ham and then to just spam.
>
> (Blatantly stolen from the AD&D Spelljammer add-on, in which the space
> hamster treadmills powered the gnomes' 'jammers.)

Okay, fine. As long as it's not buttered cats, I'm not concerned.

As for the tidal wave of geek speak in this thread, UNCLE!! I give up!
Enough already!

PLEASE!!!!

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> MS-DOS (PC-DOS) was nothing like CP/M though. More like Unix, just
> shitier.

It was based on CP/M-86. The Unix-like features were added later. That's
why the backslash was used to separate directories. CP/M used forward
slashes for command options, so it would have made the path parser much
more complicated to allow it to also use slashes for path separators.
(Remember how tight memory was then.) (Also, under the hood, you can use
forward slashes. The backslash was chosen just for the shell, but either
char works in system calls.)

Reg > wrote in news:TIlJc.220$vN1.125
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:

> The CPU clock speed was measured in cycles per year. And
> it was all powered by a goat on a big treadmill.

Mine used giant space hamsters. They were also used for their meat. It was
shortened to sp-ham and then to just spam.

(Blatantly stolen from the AD&D Spelljammer add-on, in which the space
hamster treadmills powered the gnomes' 'jammers.)

Reg > wrote in news:TIlJc.220$vN1.125
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:

> The CPU clock speed was measured in cycles per year. And
> it was all powered by a goat on a big treadmill.

Mine used giant space hamsters. They were also used for their meat. It was
shortened to sp-ham and then to just spam.

(Blatantly stolen from the AD&D Spelljammer add-on, in which the space
hamster treadmills powered the gnomes' 'jammers.)

Reg > wrote in news:TIlJc.220$vN1.125
@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com:

> The CPU clock speed was measured in cycles per year. And
> it was all powered by a goat on a big treadmill.

Mine used giant space hamsters. They were also used for their meat. It was
shortened to sp-ham and then to just spam.

(Blatantly stolen from the AD&D Spelljammer add-on, in which the space
hamster treadmills powered the gnomes' 'jammers.)

ScratchMonkey > wrote in
:

> Steve Wertz > wrote in
> :
>
>> MS-DOS (PC-DOS) was nothing like CP/M though. More like Unix, just
>> shitier.
>
> It was based on CP/M-86. The Unix-like features were added later.
> That's why the backslash was used to separate directories. CP/M used
> forward slashes for command options, so it would have made the path
> parser much more complicated to allow it to also use slashes for path
> separators. (Remember how tight memory was then.) (Also, under the
> hood, you can use forward slashes. The backslash was chosen just for
> the shell, but either char works in system calls.)
>

That really brings back memories. My very first computer at home was a
Kaypro 10 with CP/M operating system, a whopping 10MB hard drive, two
5¼" floppy drives, and a speedy 300 baud modem. I could type faster
than the data coming across the line!

--
Wayne in Phoenix

If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.

Steve Wertz > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:45:20 GMT, Wayne > wrote:
>
>>That really brings back memories. My very first computer at home was a
>>Kaypro 10 with CP/M operating system, a whopping 10MB hard drive, two
>>5¼" floppy drives, and a speedy 300 baud modem. I could type faster
>>than the data coming across the line!
>
> That was the first computer I had to work with 'professionally',
> running dBase II. It was a portable computer, even <snicker>.
> At home I had an Osborne (another 'portable') running MS-DOS.
>
> -sw
>

Yeah, "portable"! It had a handle! Built like a battleship and weighed
about the same. I ran dBase II also, along with word processing
software, and a software package to connect to a local Freenet. I soon
upgraded with a Hayes 1200 baud modem in order to connect to our
mainframe at work. I was working in systems support then and even a slow
connection was a whole lot better than a 35 mile drive in the middle of
the night.

--
Wayne in Phoenix

If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it.

Steve Wertz > wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 03:45:20 GMT, Wayne > wrote:
>
>>That really brings back memories. My very first computer at home was a
>>Kaypro 10 with CP/M operating system, a whopping 10MB hard drive, two
>>5¼" floppy drives, and a speedy 300 baud modem. I could type faster
>>than the data coming across the line!
>
>That was the first computer I had to work with 'professionally',
>running dBase II. It was a portable computer, even <snicker>.
>At home I had an Osborne (another 'portable') running MS-DOS.
>
>-sw


Any computer is portable if you have a big enough truck.

My first computer was a Radio Shack Model 1, 4K memory and cassette
tape.

--
Susan N.

There are 10 types of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who do not.

On 2004-07-14, Steve Wertz > wrote:
> I've learned that with some browsers (Like IE - which I don't use)

What do you use? If you used the latest Netscape, it has an excellent
cookie killer/manager that makes all that 'host' thing unnecessary.

> Here's a site where you can get hosts file updates, but don't....

Uhmmm.... don't see no site. Did you mean this site?

http://accs-net.com/hosts/

nb

notbob > wrote in news:VTxJc.85321$%_6.77924@attbi_s01:

> What do you use?

mozilla www.mozilla.org...based on netscape...very customiziable.
I use their stand alone mail program as well...very good filtering.

--
Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food
and water.
--------
FIELDS, W. C.

notbob > wrote in news:VTxJc.85321$%_6.77924@attbi_s01:

> What do you use?

mozilla www.mozilla.org...based on netscape...very customiziable.
I use their stand alone mail program as well...very good filtering.

--
Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food
and water.
--------
FIELDS, W. C.