Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.

My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away. They eat
well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them, but otherwise they
tend not to eat much of the time and both have become quite thin.

I am thinking of preparing a bunch of meals in advance and freezing them for my
parents. I plan to use all disposable containers/pans and keep
preparation/cleanup for my parents to a minimum. I don't know that they will
eat homemade frozen any better than they eat commerically prepared frozen
dinners but figure it's worth a shot. I also don't have much time to
experiment and am hoping someone here has some experience freezing meals.

They like lasagne, casseroles, stews, etc. In the case of casseroles, would
they be tastier prepared and frozen but not cooked until ready to eat as
opposed to cooking them through so portions just need to be reheated? My
mother loves New England boiled dinners and I'm thinking it should work frozen
if I cut the meat thick, undercook the veggies and include lots of broth in the
portions (?). Can anyone tell me if homemade mashed potatos are still good
after freezing? How about good frozen sweets/dessert recipes?

I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any hints about
preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just entrees, would also be most
welcome.

Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it. I
even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
prohibitive.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Mary

MaryAnderson60 wrote:
>
> Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.
>
> My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away. They eat
> well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them, but otherwise they
> tend not to eat much of the time and both have become quite thin.

I really feel for what you're going through. It's not easy.

> They like lasagne, casseroles, stews, etc.

I think they all freeze beautifully, except for the potatoes in
stew. I would label each and every container as to how to reheat it.

> In the case of casseroles, would
> they be tastier prepared and frozen but not cooked until ready to eat as
> opposed to cooking them through so portions just need to be reheated?

Personally, I would cook them through. My experience has been that
even reheating a dinner becomes a major challenge as people get older.
I would also cut the ingredients small, and don't send them in huge
portions. Elderly people just do not eat much.

> Can anyone tell me if homemade mashed potatos are still good
> after freezing?

I freeze leftover mashed potatoes. They're okay for me.

> I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any hints about
> preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just entrees, would also be most
> welcome.

All I can picture is that Tilia infomercial where they put complete
dinners on divided microwavable plates and seal them. You should
really also think about getting them cases of Boost or Ensure, those
supplemental nutrition drinks. Something like that.

Also, do you think they would eat fruit? The *occasional* fruit gift
box be a good idea if you think they will eat it. I mean, some fresh
food, you know?

> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it. I
> even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
> prohibitive.

You really might want to check to find someone who will (for a fee,
obviously) stop in a couple of times a week to check up on them and
maybe take them food shopping/whatever. Like a caregiver. They
could ease your mind (or alert you) by letting you know how your
parents doing. My experience is that parents are very good at
pretending everything is just hunky dory.

Good luck.

nancy

On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:43:20 -0500, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>My experience is that parents are very good at
>pretending everything is just hunky dory.

I thinks that's a behavior we learn the minute the child is born. Old
habits are hard to break. <sigh>

Gar

Gar wrote:
>
> On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:43:20 -0500, Nancy Young
> > wrote:
>
> >My experience is that parents are very good at
> >pretending everything is just hunky dory.
>
> I thinks that's a behavior we learn the minute the child is born. Old
> habits are hard to break. <sigh>

True! I have, on more than one occasion, had the opportunity to say,
What?, you were in the hospital for 3 days last week?

Can't say I'm much different, though.

nancy

On 18 Dec 2003 18:14:41 GMT, MaryAnderson60 > wrote:
[snip]
> I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any hints about
> preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just entrees, would also be most
> welcome.
[snip]

Hi, I'm afraid I don't have much experience doing this myself,
aside from noting that lasagna, spaghetti sauce, chili, curry,
etc. freezes well. You might, however, want to Google or see if you
can find any books on "Once a Month Cooking", or "OAMC". The idea
behind that concept is cooking a variety of foods once a month,
freezing it in batches, and eating it for the rest of the month. They
may have more recipes and tips on how to do what you're proposing.

Best of luck to you, your parents are lucky to have you!

Ariane

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> MaryAnderson60 wrote:

<snipped>

Met-Rx.

One of the few really good, complete liquid meal replacements!
Better than Ensure or Boost any day of the week. :-)

Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
replacement shakes.

There are a lot of good total meal replacement shakes and bars now
available at GNC. They are for bodybuilding so FAR superior
nutritionally to most of the high sugar crap sold at Pharmacies for the elderly.

I cook for an elderly dad, and am so VERY glad that he lives here with
me! It makes it easier. :-)

Healthy choice frozen meals are ok, but tend to be a bit high in sodium.

You can, however, get some ideas by looking thru the frozen dinner area
of the grocery store.

Rubbermade sells divided plastic freezer storage containers.

Spagetti and other pasta dishes usually freeze well, and/or you could
use some pre-frozen veggies to add to the dishes. Pasta is also a high
energy food since you say they are getting thin, and it's easy to make
it tasty with a variety of different sauces.

>
> Good luck.

Ditto.

>
> nancy

K. (who knows that we all have to bury our parents some day, and it
REALLY sux!!! :-( )

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"MaryAnderson60" > wrote in message
...

> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it.
I
> even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
> prohibitive.

Mary, your message struck me because I just recently read an article on
personal chefs here in Baltimore. Although they're not cost-effective for
everyone (translation: most people) I found that a couple of them offer
services where they'll come and cook for a whole day for x dollars. As much
food as you want--which could presumably be frozen. This kind of thing might
work in a pinch, since you're so far away.

Good luck.

Cate

Cate wrote:
> "MaryAnderson60" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it.
>
> I
>
>>even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
>>prohibitive.
>
>
> Mary, your message struck me because I just recently read an article on
> personal chefs here in Baltimore. Although they're not cost-effective for
> everyone (translation: most people) I found that a couple of them offer
> services where they'll come and cook for a whole day for x dollars. As much
> food as you want--which could presumably be frozen. This kind of thing might
> work in a pinch, since you're so far away.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Cate
>
>
My Mother used to keep the old aluminum TV Dinner trays (yeah, we had
'em when we were kids) and use them to freeze dinners of leftovers.
The compartments worked well for keeping the veggies separate from the
main, etc...

I use my Tilia vacuum sealer personally. You can make up "packets" of
different things. They reheat in the microwave or a pan of boiling
water. Some stuff, like stews, lasagna, etc you need to pre-freeze
before sealing but it works very well and keeps things just fine and
dandy.

I'm not a "sweet" kind of person but I don't see why deserts wouldn't
freeze well.

The only thing that you mentioned that I don't think freezes well
would be the potatoes in a stew. Mashed potatoes freeze ok. They're
not like fresh but not much that's frozen is.

Good luck to you. Been there and understand what you're going through.

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

Steve Calvin wrote:

> I use my Tilia vacuum sealer personally. You can make up "packets" of
> different things. They reheat in the microwave or a pan of boiling
> water. Some stuff, like stews, lasagna, etc you need to pre-freeze
> before sealing but it works very well and keeps things just fine and
> dandy.
>
> I'm not a "sweet" kind of person but I don't see why deserts wouldn't
> freeze well.
>
> The only thing that you mentioned that I don't think freezes well
> would be the potatoes in a stew. Mashed potatoes freeze ok. They're
> not like fresh but not much that's frozen is.

Hey! I was about to say you are! sweet, then you go copy my whole
post.

nancy (stomping away)

Nancy Young wrote:

> Steve Calvin wrote:
>
>
>>I use my Tilia vacuum sealer personally. You can make up "packets" of
>>different things. They reheat in the microwave or a pan of boiling
>>water. Some stuff, like stews, lasagna, etc you need to pre-freeze
>>before sealing but it works very well and keeps things just fine and
>>dandy.
>>
>>I'm not a "sweet" kind of person but I don't see why deserts wouldn't
>>freeze well.
>>
>>The only thing that you mentioned that I don't think freezes well
>>would be the potatoes in a stew. Mashed potatoes freeze ok. They're
>>not like fresh but not much that's frozen is.
>
>
> Hey! I was about to say you are! sweet, then you go copy my whole
> post.
>
> nancy (stomping away)
I did???? I didn't even see your post!???!

Honest!

I just answered what what I thought. Now the fact that we may happen
to think alike may or may not be scary but I really didn't copy off of ya.

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

I had a similar problem with my parents and really could do not much about
it cause this was my mom's way of control. But after she passed I did my
dad's shopping and we tried meals on wheels which were awful, so tv dinners
worked well for him.

"MaryAnderson60" > wrote in message
...
> Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.
>
> My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away. They
eat
> well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them, but otherwise
they
> tend not to eat much of the time and both have become quite thin.
>
> I am thinking of preparing a bunch of meals in advance and freezing them
for my
> parents. I plan to use all disposable containers/pans and keep
> preparation/cleanup for my parents to a minimum. I don't know that they
will
> eat homemade frozen any better than they eat commerically prepared frozen
> dinners but figure it's worth a shot. I also don't have much time to
> experiment and am hoping someone here has some experience freezing meals.
>
> They like lasagne, casseroles, stews, etc. In the case of casseroles,
would
> they be tastier prepared and frozen but not cooked until ready to eat as
> opposed to cooking them through so portions just need to be reheated? My
> mother loves New England boiled dinners and I'm thinking it should work
frozen
> if I cut the meat thick, undercook the veggies and include lots of broth
in the
> portions (?). Can anyone tell me if homemade mashed potatos are still
good
> after freezing? How about good frozen sweets/dessert recipes?
>
> I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any hints
about
> preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just entrees, would also be
most
> welcome.
>
> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it.
I
> even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
> prohibitive.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
> Mary
>
>

"MaryAnderson60" wrote:
>
>Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it.

Um, why the heck not... probably be the best chow they've ever eaten.


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Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > Steve Calvin wrote:

> >>I use my Tilia vacuum sealer personally. You can make up "packets" of
> >>different things. They reheat in the microwave or a pan of boiling
> >>water. Some stuff, like stews, lasagna, etc you need to pre-freeze
> >>before sealing but it works very well and keeps things just fine and
> >>dandy.

> >>The only thing that you mentioned that I don't think freezes well
> >>would be the potatoes in a stew. Mashed potatoes freeze ok. They're
> >>not like fresh but not much that's frozen is.

> > Hey! I was about to say you are! sweet, then you go copy my whole
> > post.
> >
> > nancy (stomping away)
> I did???? I didn't even see your post!???!
>
> Honest!
>
> I just answered what what I thought. Now the fact that we may happen
> to think alike may or may not be scary but I really didn't copy off of ya.

(laugh) You know I'm just kidding. Here's what I said:

> > They like lasagne, casseroles, stews, etc.

> I think they all freeze beautifully, except for the potatoes in
> stew.

> I freeze leftover mashed potatoes. They're okay for me.

> All I can picture is that Tilia infomercial where they put complete
> dinners on divided microwavable plates and seal them.

Funny to me we hit on all those points independently. I was just
teasing you.

nancy

Katra wrote:

> Met-Rx.
>
> One of the few really good, complete liquid meal replacements!
> Better than Ensure or Boost any day of the week. :-)
>
> Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
> replacement shakes.

What do you mean by shakes? I realize that might sound like a
simplistic question, but are they liquid or do you have to mix a
powder with milk/whatever.

> K. (who knows that we all have to bury our parents some day, and it
> REALLY sux!!! :-( )

Yeah, though sometimes it's too late, sorry to say.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:

>
> Funny to me we hit on all those points independently. I was just
> teasing you.
>
> nancy

Yeah... I've "known" you long enough to know that... ;-)

Seems like we just have had the same experiences. (Well, some at least
<wag> )

--
Steve

Men are from Earth. Women are from Earth. Deal with it.

In article >,
(MaryAnderson60) wrote:

> Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.
>
> My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away. They
> eat
> well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them, but otherwise
> they
> tend not to eat much of the time and both have become quite thin.
>
> I am thinking of preparing a bunch of meals in advance and freezing them for
> my
> parents. I plan to use all disposable containers/pans and keep
> preparation/cleanup for my parents to a minimum. I don't know that they will
> eat homemade frozen any better than they eat commerically prepared frozen
> dinners but figure it's worth a shot. I also don't have much time to
> experiment and am hoping someone here has some experience freezing meals.
>
> They like lasagne, casseroles, stews, etc. In the case of casseroles, would
> they be tastier prepared and frozen but not cooked until ready to eat as
> opposed to cooking them through so portions just need to be reheated? My
> mother loves New England boiled dinners and I'm thinking it should work
> frozen
> if I cut the meat thick, undercook the veggies and include lots of broth in
> the
> portions (?). Can anyone tell me if homemade mashed potatos are still good
> after freezing? How about good frozen sweets/dessert recipes?
>
> I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any hints about
> preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just entrees, would also be
> most
> welcome.
>
> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it. I
> even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
> prohibitive.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.

A few questions from the nutritionist's point of view:

Have your parent(s) been checked out for possible early stage dementia
(Alzheimer's). It's possible that one or both "forgets" to eat. Are
they on multiple medications that may depress appetite, cause fatigue,
or alter mental state? Can one or both see well enough to read the
cooking directions you may put on the package? Is arthritis a problem
for either or both of them? It may be more than just not feeling like
cooking.

Do they have a microwave? If so, foil and some disposable containers
are inappropriate. If not, foil containers are your only option. Do
they have a good-sized freezer compartment in their refrigerator to
accomodate your goodies?

Casseroles should be cooked completely before portioning into small
packages for freezing. I've never tried to freeze potatoes. If you
look at most frozen entrees that contain mashed potatoes, practically
all of them use reconstituted dried potato flakes.

As far as frozen sweets go, ice cream is always a good option.
Alternately, buy a bunch of Girl Scout cookies for them. They freeze
very well.

HTH,
Cindy

--
C.J. Fuller

Delete the obvious to email me

In article >,
Katra > wrote:

> Nancy Young wrote:
> >
> > MaryAnderson60 wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>
> Met-Rx.
>
> One of the few really good, complete liquid meal replacements!
> Better than Ensure or Boost any day of the week. :-)
>
> Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
> replacement shakes.
>
> There are a lot of good total meal replacement shakes and bars now
> available at GNC. They are for bodybuilding so FAR superior
> nutritionally to most of the high sugar crap sold at Pharmacies for the
> elderly.
>
snipped

These "meal replacements", regardless of who sells them, lack a lot of
things. Fiber, for one. Old folks have enough problems consuming
enough fiber. Some can and do get diarrhea from the meal replacements,
which can make nutritional status worse. They're fine for occasional
consumption, but nobody who can still eat should be on them as a sole
source of nutrition. You also have to consider the positive
psychological effects of eating real food, rather than eating some
sawdust-flavored bar or drinking some potion. Most elderly people rebel
at using these products, even when they really need them.

Cindy, taking off the nutritionist hat

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Snipped:

>Personally, I would cook them through. My experience has been that
>even reheating a dinner becomes a major challenge as people get older.
>I would also cut the ingredients small, and don't send them in huge
>portions. Elderly people just do not eat much.
>
>> Can anyone tell me if homemade mashed potatos are still good
>> after freezing?
>
>I freeze leftover mashed potatoes. They're okay for me.
>
>> I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any hints
>about
>> preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just entrees, would also be
>most
>> welcome.
>
>All I can picture is that Tilia infomercial where they put complete
>dinners on divided microwavable plates and seal them. You should
>really also think about getting them cases of Boost or Ensure, those
>supplemental nutrition drinks. Something like that.
>
>Also, do you think they would eat fruit? The *occasional* fruit gift
>box be a good idea if you think they will eat it. I mean, some fresh
>food, you know?
>
>> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it.
>I
>> even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
>> prohibitive.
>
>You really might want to check to find someone who will (for a fee,
>obviously) stop in a couple of times a week to check up on them and
>maybe take them food shopping/whatever. Like a caregiver. They
>could ease your mind (or alert you) by letting you know how your
>parents doing. My experience is that parents are very good at
>pretending everything is just hunky dory.
>
>Good luck.
>
>nancy
>

I can't be of any help to the first poster as my 83-year-old parents live over
a thousand miles away. I have never had a Tilia, but I used to have that
seal-a-meal thing with bags you can boil (before microwaves) and I liked it for
single servings.

A brother has been sending Cracker Barrel treats to us for the past few years.
The packages contain ham and bacon and we use them up. When I was last at my
parents' house before the holiday season, they had one of those packages and my
mom wanted to give the ham away to a neighbor. Of course, she is not very
together, but it made it hard for me later to know what to send them. I find
it hard to buy them food gifts for the most part, as they might give them away
- with the exception of chocolates.

I wonder if the first poster's parents will reheat her meals, or if they will
go to waste. I'm sure she has a better take on her parents' preferences and
habits than I do, so it may work out fine. I agree with the spaghetti,
lasagne, stews, etc. I've also observed, as my parents aged, that they don't
like many spices nor salt in their food. And my dad no longer perks coffee,
just nukes water for instant coffee.




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MaryAnderson60 wrote:


> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it. I
> even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
> prohibitive.


When you say your parents won't consider meals on wheels, are they
saying, in effect, "oh no, we won't consider meals on wheels; we much
prefer that you drop everything, abandon your career and your family and
your free time and your friends so you can drive here and cook for us,
and if you don't, that's O.K., we'll starve," because that's what it
sounds like to me.


This might not be the right time, but at some point they'll have to
consider it. There's only so much you can do. You can travel the
hundreds of miles to take care of them. You can freeze meals for them
when you're there. You can hire someone to look in on them now and then
(which will cost a bundle). You can hire someone to cook for them
(which will cost a bundle). You can travel to take care of them more
often (which has huge costs to your own life in terms of time and career
and time spent away from your own family and friends).


This might sound like I'm suggesting you abandon your parents. I'm not.
Definitely continue to take care of them, but do be prepared to decide
on some limits. Take time for yourself. Decide how on what's
appropriate and dutiful and what's caving in to manipulation.

I'll take it to another thread, but I do want you to know that I'm
wrestling with this myself. I'm about to uproot my life in New England
where I love it to move my parents home town for a month so I can be
there to cook and help take care of my mother after her heart surgery.
I say this to make my above message sound less horrible. A certain
amount of inconvenience and sacrifice is appropriate-- but not an
unlimited amount.

--Lia

I have a very similar problem. I work a lot of 10 and 12 hr. days and
get home late and too tired to cook for myself. SO about everyother
week-end I do mass cooking and freezing. First off-haunt the dollar
stores for plastic containers to freeze in. Great places--great prices.
I will make a huge pot of mashed potatoes--then a meatloaf and maybe
some pork chops .Then I put together my dinners keeping everything no
higher than an inch and a half--and freeze. Soups are so convenient too,
and freeze well. All casseroles freeze well and I just made up a few
turkey dinners. The secret is to cook a lot all in one day and then
forget the stove for a week.
lots of luck-kathleen

nice and tasty but simple foods like shepherds pie and captains pie
(using fish) both freeze well and are simple to re-cook.

(MaryAnderson60) wrote:

>Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.
>
>My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away. They eat
>well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them, but otherwise they
>tend not to eat much of the time and both have become quite thin.

Check around, Mary. In Vancouver, BC, covering an area to 50 miles east of the
city, there are two firms that sell frozen, prepared meals, ready to heat in the
microwave or oven.
The meals are made the week they are delivered and cost abot $5 CAN each.
Because I work and my wife is disabled, we have used the service for our main
meal often. The quality, taste and service is outstanding.
Do a web search for your area?

Dennis

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Katra wrote:
>
> > Met-Rx.
> >
> > One of the few really good, complete liquid meal replacements!
> > Better than Ensure or Boost any day of the week. :-)
> >
> > Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
> > replacement shakes.
>
> What do you mean by shakes? I realize that might sound like a
> simplistic question, but are they liquid or do you have to mix a
> powder with milk/whatever.

Yes, it is a powder packet that you can mix with milk or juice. The
vanilla flavor goes well in orange juice! Some MRP's (short for "meal
replacement powder) mix more easily than others and you can just use a
shaker. Some need a blender. <G>

I personally like Isopure as it is never gritty, and stirs in with a
spoon very well. The chocolate and vanilla are both excellent, and that
brand is highly fortified and the Whey protein in it is Lactose free!

>
> > K. (who knows that we all have to bury our parents some day, and it
> > REALLY sux!!! :-( )
>
> Yeah, though sometimes it's too late, sorry to say.
>
> nancy

Just tell them you love them frequently, and mean it. :-)

Don't dwell on it... I lost mom last year, so daddums is living with me
now, and seems to like my cooking. He is also good about taking vitamin supplements.

He is 71 so still pretty young yet, but mom was only 68. <sigh>
At least she knew she was cherished! That last trip to the ER, the week
before she died on the ventilator, she was sitting on the ER bed and
said "if this is check-out time for me, just know that I love you very
much and I thank you for everything you have done for me". Painful, but
beautiful memory....

K. <sniffle>

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Cindy Fuller wrote:
>
> In article >,
> Katra > wrote:
>
> > Nancy Young wrote:
> > >
> > > MaryAnderson60 wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > Met-Rx.
> >
> > One of the few really good, complete liquid meal replacements!
> > Better than Ensure or Boost any day of the week. :-)
> >
> > Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
> > replacement shakes.
> >
> > There are a lot of good total meal replacement shakes and bars now
> > available at GNC. They are for bodybuilding so FAR superior
> > nutritionally to most of the high sugar crap sold at Pharmacies for the
> > elderly.
> >
> snipped
>
> These "meal replacements", regardless of who sells them, lack a lot of
> things. Fiber, for one. Old folks have enough problems consuming
> enough fiber. Some can and do get diarrhea from the meal replacements,
> which can make nutritional status worse. They're fine for occasional
> consumption, but nobody who can still eat should be on them as a sole
> source of nutrition. You also have to consider the positive
> psychological effects of eating real food, rather than eating some
> sawdust-flavored bar or drinking some potion. Most elderly people rebel
> at using these products, even when they really need them.
>
> Cindy, taking off the nutritionist hat
>
> --
> C.J. Fuller
>
> Delete the obvious to email me


I won't argue with any of that... :-)

I have been studying sports nutrition for about 10 years, and I don't
think I suggested in my post that this be the ONLY source of food for
them... That would be bad. Even bodybuilders don't do that!

It's just a good way to add extra calories, and VITAMINS! It's very,
very difficult to get all of the vitamins and minerals that you need
with a regular diet, especially if you don't eat very much. And a lot of
older folks don't like to take pill supplements.

The shakes are just a convenient supplement, and some are specifically
designed for weight gain, and she did say that they were getting a bit thin.

But, as you pointed out, it depends on whether or not they will consume
them. That is why brand is important. Some are tastier than others and
have a better texture.

I'm just not impressed with Ensure as it is NOT very high in protein,
and I strongly believe that many people don't truly get the protein that
they need in their diets, and this contributes to muscle wasting in the
elderly. I base ALL of my meals pretty much around some type of meat. Or
eggs. My goal is a minimum of 50 grams per day.

Dad's muscles are coming back. :-) He was proudly showing me a nice
bicep the other day! LOL! His legs are looking better too. He was
getting "chicken legs" if you know what I mean.

I must be doing something right for him... <g>

Danke,

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Kathleen Dughman wrote:
>
> I have a very similar problem. I work a lot of 10 and 12 hr. days and
> get home late and too tired to cook for myself. SO about everyother
> week-end I do mass cooking and freezing. First off-haunt the dollar
> stores for plastic containers to freeze in. Great places--great prices.
> I will make a huge pot of mashed potatoes--then a meatloaf and maybe
> some pork chops .Then I put together my dinners keeping everything no
> higher than an inch and a half--and freeze. Soups are so convenient too,
> and freeze well. All casseroles freeze well and I just made up a few
> turkey dinners. The secret is to cook a lot all in one day and then
> forget the stove for a week.
> lots of luck-kathleen

Excellent advice... ;-)
I used to do this very thing my last year in college when I had to work
AND attend my clinical rotation classes... I had, maybe, 3 hours per day
free that year and that was spent studying, warming up pre-prepared
food, and showering. :-P That did not count the 4 or 5 hours of sleep
per night of course.

The life of a college senior can be hell!

It was good practice tho'. <G>

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paula wrote:
>
> nice and tasty but simple foods like shepherds pie and captains pie
> (using fish) both freeze well and are simple to re-cook.

What do you think of commercial frozen meat pies?

What brand is best/healthiest?

(MaryAnderson60) wrote in message >...
> Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.
>
> My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away. They eat
> well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them, but otherwise >they
> tend not to eat much of the time and both have become quite thin.

This is a real concern.

>
> I am thinking of preparing a bunch of meals in advance and freezing them for my
> parents. I plan to use all disposable containers/pans and keep
> preparation/cleanup for my parents to a minimum. I don't know that they will
> eat homemade frozen any better than they eat commerically prepared frozen
> dinners but figure it's worth a shot. I also don't have much time to
> experiment and am hoping someone here has some experience freezing meals.

I do this routinely for DH who works all the time (from home) and
often needs a quick meal in the middle of the night or early in the AM
before I am up and about.

>
> They like lasagne, casseroles, stews, etc. In the case of casseroles, would
> they be tastier prepared and frozen but not cooked until ready to eat as
> opposed to cooking them through so portions just need to be reheated?

I cook mine completely, portion them, and then freeze. I worry about
undercooked foods.

>My
> mother loves New England boiled dinners and I'm thinking it should work frozen
> if I cut the meat thick, undercook the veggies and include lots of broth in the
> portions (?).

Not sure what a NE boiled dinner is, but if it is like a pot roast
with veggies, then I cook it completely prior to freezing. I cut the
meat thin, though, so that it reheats easily. veggies like broccoli
and brusslesprouts, I leave in larger pieces.

>Can anyone tell me if homemade mashed potatos are still good
> after freezing?

Yes. I reheat in the nuker.

> How about good frozen sweets/dessert recipes?

Brownies and cookies (wrap well), apple (or peach) crisp and cobblers.

>
> I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any hints about
> preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just entrees, would also be >most
> welcome.

Basically, I purchased a set of 8 pyrex glass containers (I think they
are 2-quart) with rubber tops made for freezer and oven use. I
apportion the (cooled, cooked) meat on one side, and the
potatoes/starch on the other - often pouring in some purchased frozen
veggies as well, in their own little corner, just prior to freezing.
I make sure to add some broth or pan drippings to make sure everything
stays moist during cooking. When ready to eat, DH removes the top,
places foil on top, and then pops it in the oven at 350 for about an
hour (sometimes more).

Lasagne casserole works well also - two layers of: cooked pasta, meat
sauce, cheese. I put a little sauce in the bottom prior to adding the
first layer of pasta, just to keep it more moist.


>
> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider it. I
> even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week but price is
> prohibitive.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.

What about single-serving frozen desserts like ice cream cups and
bars, etc? I know my Mom would often eat that, if nothing else. Not
the best nutritionally, but it is better than NOTHING. Also, she
liked canned fruit coctail, peaches and pears, as well as canned soups
and yogurt. It's amazing how similar some elders are to kids, in some
respects.

Good luck! Is there an elder advocate/social worker you can invoke to
check on them in your absence?

-L.

On 18 Dec 2003 18:14:41 GMT, (MaryAnderson60)
wrote:

>I am thinking of preparing a bunch of meals in advance and freezing them for my
>parents. I plan to use all disposable containers/pans and keep
>preparation/cleanup for my parents to a minimum. I don't know that they will
>eat homemade frozen any better than they eat commerically prepared frozen
>dinners but figure it's worth a shot. I also don't have much time to
>experiment and am hoping someone here has some experience freezing meals.

Search on "freezing meals" or "freezer meals" for plenty of
suggestions. Here's one site with a lot of recipes and info:

http://www.stretcher.com/stories/980209a.cfm

>From:

>Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.
>
>My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away. They
>eat
>well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them, but otherwise
>they
>tend not to eat much of the time and both have become quite thin.

I manage a health food store in Florida. Most of my clientele are older folks.
Our vegetarian soups are a mainstay of many of their diets. They are tasty,
easy to eat (don't forget that sometimes old folks don't eat because of dental
issues), provide good nutrition and are loaded with fiber. My suggestion is to
make up gallons of various soups (they freeze beautifully) in individual
microwaveable containers. Just be sure to label them well with instructions,
type and date.

If you would like some suggestions/recipes that we use just ask, I'll be happy
to help.

Also, quick breads and muffins with added flax meal and oat bran freeze great
too. Add lots of bananas and blueberries for additional flavor and nutrition.

I'd also suggest that you contact a local health food store and ask if they
deliver. We deliver if specially requested by family members at no additional
cost. Smoothies, Fresh Vegie Juices, Soups, Sandwiches, Salads plus grocery
items and supplements. The occasional tip is appreciated.

Hope this helps
Ellen

Katra wrote:
>
> Nancy Young wrote:

> > > Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
> > > replacement shakes.
> >
> > What do you mean by shakes? I realize that might sound like a
> > simplistic question, but are they liquid or do you have to mix a
> > powder with milk/whatever.

> Yes, it is a powder packet that you can mix with milk or juice.

This is the problem. The people I'm talking about have caregivers,
but when they didn't, even making toast or peeling a banana was out
of their ability or desire to eat. I didn't realize how bad it was
for some time. Speaking of the original poster's situation, I am
concerned that they are not eating because even the small task of
mixing up a shake might make them not use them. I'm only speaking
from experience, not arguing with you in any way.

Do you know of a decent already mixed shake? I try to get the
high protein drinks, but even then, they aren't all that high, but
they are better than not eating.

> I personally like Isopure as it is never gritty, and stirs in with a
> spoon very well. The chocolate and vanilla are both excellent, and that
> brand is highly fortified and the Whey protein in it is Lactose free!

I will have to look for that. Hmmm, I wonder if there is a GNC in
the mall. I will be there Monday, doing my Christmas shopping (sigh).

> > > K. (who knows that we all have to bury our parents some day, and it
> > > REALLY sux!!! :-( )
> >
> > Yeah, though sometimes it's too late, sorry to say.

> Don't dwell on it... I lost mom last year, so daddums is living with me
> now, and seems to like my cooking. He is also good about taking vitamin supplements.

That's good to hear.

Unfortunately, I'm talking about alz sufferers who live on long
after their brain does. Horrid illness.

nancy

Nancy Young > wrote in
:

> Katra wrote:
>>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>> > > Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
>> > > replacement shakes.
>> >
>> > What do you mean by shakes? I realize that might sound like a
>> > simplistic question, but are they liquid or do you have to mix a
>> > powder with milk/whatever.
>
>> Yes, it is a powder packet that you can mix with milk or juice.
>
> This is the problem. The people I'm talking about have caregivers,
> but when they didn't, even making toast or peeling a banana was out
> of their ability or desire to eat. I didn't realize how bad it was
> for some time. Speaking of the original poster's situation, I am
> concerned that they are not eating because even the small task of
> mixing up a shake might make them not use them. I'm only speaking
> from experience, not arguing with you in any way.
>
> Do you know of a decent already mixed shake? I try to get the
> high protein drinks, but even then, they aren't all that high, but
> they are better than not eating.
>
>> I personally like Isopure as it is never gritty, and stirs in with a
>> spoon very well. The chocolate and vanilla are both excellent, and
>> that brand is highly fortified and the Whey protein in it is Lactose
>> free!
>
> I will have to look for that. Hmmm, I wonder if there is a GNC in
> the mall. I will be there Monday, doing my Christmas shopping (sigh).
>
>> > > K. (who knows that we all have to bury our parents some day, and
>> > > it REALLY sux!!! :-( )
>> >
>> > Yeah, though sometimes it's too late, sorry to say.
>
>> Don't dwell on it... I lost mom last year, so daddums is living with
>> me now, and seems to like my cooking. He is also good about taking
>> vitamin supplements.
>
> That's good to hear.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm talking about alz sufferers who live on long
> after their brain does. Horrid illness.
>
> nancy
>

Up here (Canada) you can sign up with meals on wheels...a volunteer drives
a warm meal over and hand delivers it and stops in to chat for a bit (check
up on)...This poses some problems though...Some elderley look on recieving
the food as charity and don't like it. Plus any mass cooked meal doesn't
taste like "what I used to make" or isn't "what I like" to the older set.
The elderly live longer if they live outside of institutes, in their own
homes.

But if the meals on wheels idea is accepted the price is reasonable and the
service good.

Plus you can get the Canadian Postal Service (postman) to check on the
elderly during their rounds breifly, or you could last time I looked into
it. Perhaps it is the same where you live. My mother was checked by them
briefly. I mean they'll try and talk to the person and note anything that
might be out of place or unusual. My mother would pass out, just drop to
the floor. 2 times the postman called the ambluance for her, thank god.

Both of these services are good for what they are. But not a complete
package for elderley watching.

--
And the beet goes on! (or under)
-me just a while ago

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> Katra wrote:
> >
> > Nancy Young wrote:
>
> > > > Also, anything by EAS. Both are fortified so are actually food
> > > > replacement shakes.
> > >
> > > What do you mean by shakes? I realize that might sound like a
> > > simplistic question, but are they liquid or do you have to mix a
> > > powder with milk/whatever.
>
> > Yes, it is a powder packet that you can mix with milk or juice.
>
> This is the problem. The people I'm talking about have caregivers,
> but when they didn't, even making toast or peeling a banana was out
> of their ability or desire to eat. I didn't realize how bad it was
> for some time. Speaking of the original poster's situation, I am
> concerned that they are not eating because even the small task of
> mixing up a shake might make them not use them. I'm only speaking
> from experience, not arguing with you in any way.

I understand, and you are right!

Even my dad won't fix a decent meal for himself if I'm not here.
I usually cook enough at brunch for him to have the same thing for
dinner while I am at work. He just has to nuke it. :-)

>
> Do you know of a decent already mixed shake? I try to get the
> high protein drinks, but even then, they aren't all that high, but
> they are better than not eating.

Oh yes! They are a bit more expensive than the powders, but both Isopure
and EAS make a pre-mixed shake. Seriously, do check GNC and their
pre-mixed body building shakes in cans and/or cartons. The average
content is anywhere from 20 to 40 grams of protein! And they have added
vitamins etc.

Those are actually pretty tasty.

Isopure also has some liquid drinks that are about 40 grams of protein
each in both orange and fruit punch. They are like drinking cool-aid and
are very tasty! I used to use those in place of water to make fortified
Jello, and popsickles for mom when she was dying. GNC will often place
special orders too! I ordered the Isopure orange flavor by the case.

Pick up a copy of Muscular Development magazine and check the ads. Might
give you some ideas. :-) Protein shakes are not what they used to be.
Not at all... They have become very advanced.

Now if one of them would just come up with a decent tasting bar.... <G>

>
> > I personally like Isopure as it is never gritty, and stirs in with a
> > spoon very well. The chocolate and vanilla are both excellent, and that
> > brand is highly fortified and the Whey protein in it is Lactose free!
>
> I will have to look for that. Hmmm, I wonder if there is a GNC in
> the mall. I will be there Monday, doing my Christmas shopping (sigh).

Many malls have a GNC, and you can also check their website for locations!

>
> > > > K. (who knows that we all have to bury our parents some day, and it
> > > > REALLY sux!!! :-( )
> > >
> > > Yeah, though sometimes it's too late, sorry to say.
>
> > Don't dwell on it... I lost mom last year, so daddums is living with me
> > now, and seems to like my cooking. He is also good about taking vitamin supplements.
>
> That's good to hear.
>
> Unfortunately, I'm talking about alz sufferers who live on long
> after their brain does. Horrid illness.
>
> nancy

<shiver> You have my empathy on that one... :-( It's bad enough that dad
has such a bad short term memory, but it improves a LOT after about 3
weeks on L-Glutamine supplements! He just has to remember to take it.
<G> I need to start adding it to the buttermilk he's been drinking
lately to make sure he gets it. It also helps his energy levels.

K.

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MaryAnderson60 wrote:
> Hi. I'm Mary and have a cooking question.
>
> My parents are elderly and unwell. I live a few hundred miles away.
> They eat well when I am right there and cooking meals fresh for them,
> but otherwise they tend not to eat much of the time and both have
> become quite thin.
>
> I am thinking of preparing a bunch of meals in advance and freezing
> them for my parents. I plan to use all disposable containers/pans
> and keep preparation/cleanup for my parents to a minimum. I don't
> know that they will eat homemade frozen any better than they eat
> commerically prepared frozen dinners but figure it's worth a shot. I
> also don't have much time to experiment and am hoping someone here
> has some experience freezing meals.
>
> They like lasagne, casseroles, stews, etc. In the case of
> casseroles, would they be tastier prepared and frozen but not cooked
> until ready to eat as opposed to cooking them through so portions
> just need to be reheated? My mother loves New England boiled dinners
> and I'm thinking it should work frozen if I cut the meat thick,
> undercook the veggies and include lots of broth in the portions (?).
> Can anyone tell me if homemade mashed potatos are still good after
> freezing? How about good frozen sweets/dessert recipes?
>
> I would appreciate anyone sharing recipes that freeze well. Any
> hints about preparing complete frozen meals, as opposed to just
> entrees, would also be most welcome.
>
> Meals on Wheels would be ideal for my parents but they won't consider
> it. I even looked at "personal chefs" to cook for them every week
> but price is prohibitive.
>
> Thanks in advance for any advice.
>
> Mary

I feel for you. My grandmother refused to let the "meals on wheels" people
into her home. She said she didn't like their "looks" (whatever that
meant). My parents are elderly but thankfully still able to fend for
themselves.

To answer your questions: If you don't have a Tilia food sealer, now might
be the time to invest in one. Do your parents have a microwave oven?

Lasagna freezes very well. So does beef stew, creamed chicken, pot roast
with potatoes and carrots. Look around in the freezer section at your
grocery store... almost anything you can buy there can be frozen at home.
This includes all veggies, soups and mashed potatoes.

Noodles and rice freeze well in individual packets. So does baked or
grilled chicken breast. Tons of pre-cooked veggies freeze well. I'm not
much for offering dessert/sweets recipes so I can't help with that.
Although my Dad does love Archway cookies.

Good luck with your parents; I understand how hard that can be.

Jill

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:19:02 -0600, "jmcquown"
> wrote:



>I feel for you. My grandmother refused to let the "meals on wheels" people
>into her home. She said she didn't like their "looks" (whatever that
>meant).


Just her way of saying she did not want strangers in her home.
My mother was the same way from time to time.

Taffy Stoker wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:19:02 -0600, "jmcquown"
> > wrote:
>
>
>
>> I feel for you. My grandmother refused to let the "meals on wheels"
>> people into her home. She said she didn't like their "looks"
>> (whatever that meant).
>
>
> Just her way of saying she did not want strangers in her home.
> My mother was the same way from time to time.

Yes. But did your grandmother starve herself to death? My dad and his
sister went up to her home in Ohio and discovered she couldn't even get up
the stairs to her bedroom; she was sleeping on the sofa. And she couldn't
get to the bathroom, either. They ordered "Meals on Wheels" as a way to
help her without having to put her in a home. When that didn't work, they
moved her to an elderly care facility. She wouldn't eat there, either. She
died about 6 weeks later.

Grandma Mac made the best Potato Soup. No time like the present (it's cold
outside!) to bring the recipe out.

Grandma McQuown's Potato Soup

Cube 4-5 medium potatoes and place in a deep pot. Add 1/4 c. finely chopped
onion, 1/4 tsp. pepper. Add 2 cups chicken broth and enough water to cover
well. Bring to a boil; reduce heat and simmer until potatoes are tender.

Fry 2-3 slices bacon (not too crisp). Crumble and add to the soup. Make
rivlets by mixing 3/4 c. flour, 1/2 tsp. salt and 1 large egg, until mixture
resembles fine crumbs. Add rivlets to the soup and simmer 10-15 minutes.
Add water to the soup if needed.

Serves 6-8

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in
:

> Taffy Stoker wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:19:02 -0600, "jmcquown"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I feel for you. My grandmother refused to let the "meals on wheels"
>>> people into her home. She said she didn't like their "looks"
>>> (whatever that meant).
>>
>>
>> Just her way of saying she did not want strangers in her home.
>> My mother was the same way from time to time.
>
> Yes. But did your grandmother starve herself to death? My dad and
> his sister went up to her home in Ohio and discovered she couldn't
> even get up the stairs to her bedroom; she was sleeping on the sofa.
> And she couldn't get to the bathroom, either. They ordered "Meals on
> Wheels" as a way to help her without having to put her in a home.
> When that didn't work, they moved her to an elderly care facility.
> She wouldn't eat there, either. She died about 6 weeks later.

Maybe she was just "ready" to go.

> Grandma Mac made the best Potato Soup. No time like the present (it's
> cold outside!) to bring the recipe out.
>
> Grandma McQuown's Potato Soup
>
> Cube 4-5 medium potatoes and place in a deep pot. Add 1/4 c. finely
> chopped onion, 1/4 tsp. pepper. Add 2 cups chicken broth and enough
> water to cover well. Bring to a boil; reduce heat and simmer until
> potatoes are tender.
>
> Fry 2-3 slices bacon (not too crisp). Crumble and add to the soup.
> Make rivlets by mixing 3/4 c. flour, 1/2 tsp. salt and 1 large egg,
> until mixture resembles fine crumbs. Add rivlets to the soup and
> simmer 10-15 minutes. Add water to the soup if needed.
>
> Serves 6-8
>
> Jill

The soup sounds good!

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 09:01:03 -0600, "jmcquown"
> wrote:


>Yes. But did your grandmother starve herself to death?

I don't know. My grandparents were long deceased before I was born
but my late mother (who I mentioned in my post btw) loved eating too
much to starve herself.



> My dad and his
>sister went up to her home in Ohio and discovered she couldn't even get up
>the stairs to her bedroom; she was sleeping on the sofa. And she couldn't
>get to the bathroom, either. They ordered "Meals on Wheels" as a way to
>help her without having to put her in a home. When that didn't work, they
>moved her to an elderly care facility. She wouldn't eat there, either. She
>died about 6 weeks later.

Very strange regarding the not eating part.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:27:20 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in
:
>
>> Taffy Stoker wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:19:02 -0600, "jmcquown"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I feel for you. My grandmother refused to let the "meals on wheels"
>>>> people into her home. She said she didn't like their "looks"
>>>> (whatever that meant).
>>>
>>>
>>> Just her way of saying she did not want strangers in her home.
>>> My mother was the same way from time to time.
>>
>> Yes. But did your grandmother starve herself to death? My dad and
>> his sister went up to her home in Ohio and discovered she couldn't
>> even get up the stairs to her bedroom; she was sleeping on the sofa.
>> And she couldn't get to the bathroom, either. They ordered "Meals on
>> Wheels" as a way to help her without having to put her in a home.
>> When that didn't work, they moved her to an elderly care facility.
>> She wouldn't eat there, either. She died about 6 weeks later.
>
>Maybe she was just "ready" to go.

For some it is quite like that. They just somehow know thier time is
soon and begin to shut down physically.

Taffy Stoker > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 15:27:20 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in
:
>>
>>> Taffy Stoker wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 10:19:02 -0600, "jmcquown"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I feel for you. My grandmother refused to let the "meals on
>>>>> wheels" people into her home. She said she didn't like their
>>>>> "looks" (whatever that meant).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just her way of saying she did not want strangers in her home.
>>>> My mother was the same way from time to time.
>>>
>>> Yes. But did your grandmother starve herself to death? My dad and
>>> his sister went up to her home in Ohio and discovered she couldn't
>>> even get up the stairs to her bedroom; she was sleeping on the sofa.
>>> And she couldn't get to the bathroom, either. They ordered "Meals
>>> on Wheels" as a way to help her without having to put her in a home.
>>> When that didn't work, they moved her to an elderly care facility.
>>> She wouldn't eat there, either. She died about 6 weeks later.
>>
>>Maybe she was just "ready" to go.
>
> For some it is quite like that. They just somehow know thier time is
> soon and begin to shut down physically.

I saw my dad on the day of the night he passed away. He had a heart
problem, but had been in apparently the same condition for some months
and didn't appear to be feeling any worse. He was up and about and
joked at the dinner table. Later that night he passed away from
congestive heart failure.

My mother and I did not know that earlier that same day he told several
neighbors "goodbye" for the final time, saying that he wouldn't be
seeing them again. He must ahve felt or known something, but didn't
want to worry my mother or me.

Wayne

in article , Wayne Boatwright at
wrote on 12/21/03 3:36 PM:

> I saw my dad on the day of the night he passed away. He had a heart
> problem, but had been in apparently the same condition for some months
> and didn't appear to be feeling any worse. He was up and about and
> joked at the dinner table. Later that night he passed away from
> congestive heart failure.
>
> My mother and I did not know that earlier that same day he told several
> neighbors "goodbye" for the final time, saying that he wouldn't be
> seeing them again. He must ahve felt or known something, but didn't
> want to worry my mother or me.
>
> Wayne

Ok. I do believe some people know when it's their time.

My mom called everyone she hadn't spoken to in awhile (Friends and
relatives) for a week before she died. Maybe 8-10 hours before, she and I
were talking about how much she missed her parents and the dog we had who
had died 10 years before.....wow, this coming Tuesday will be 23 years since
my first pet died!!! She even talked about her sister, who died when the
girls were small, maybe 6-7 yrs old. By the time Mom passed, she had talked
to everyone, told them she loved them, and sort of reminded those who were
there before her that she was thinking about them and was looking forward to
seeing them.

But I'm thinking...my dad, on the other hand...he talked to my brother and
sister for New Year's, which was 2 weeks before, but...he really didn't make
the rounds immediately before. My parents, though, were very different in
the way they treated people outside the immediate family. So maybe...in his
mind, his goodbyes were already done because the relationships weren't that
strong. And I was there when he essentially left us (though he lingered in a
coma for 4 days). And I hate to say this, but I honestly was his favorite,
after my Mom, so....maybe to him, he had all he needed or wanted. Who knows?

They are very missed, especially this time of year. And that's really all I
need to know.