Kim wrote:
>
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well?

Yes it has. I'm not one but I know people who are, and yes, it has. She
is entertainment. People watch pro-wrestling, and personally, I'd rather
be stuck on a long car trip with Martha fans over pro-wrestling or
monster truck fans.
What I heard her say on radio was rather dignified.
And I loved a political cartoon in the paper today...a huge rhino with
the words corporate scandles on it, facing reader, with a little hunter
in a pith helmet, holding a blunderbuss in one hand and the feet of a
dangling rabbit in the other, with Martha written on it. The rabbit was
held high, and the hunter looked like my 2 year old when he sneaks a
cookie, but the rhino was right behind and loomed large.
blacksalt

Kim wrote:
>
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well?

Yes it has. I'm not one but I know people who are, and yes, it has. She
is entertainment. People watch pro-wrestling, and personally, I'd rather
be stuck on a long car trip with Martha fans over pro-wrestling or
monster truck fans.
What I heard her say on radio was rather dignified.
And I loved a political cartoon in the paper today...a huge rhino with
the words corporate scandles on it, facing reader, with a little hunter
in a pith helmet, holding a blunderbuss in one hand and the feet of a
dangling rabbit in the other, with Martha written on it. The rabbit was
held high, and the hunter looked like my 2 year old when he sneaks a
cookie, but the rhino was right behind and loomed large.
blacksalt

I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
decorating.

Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....

That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.

Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....

Cheers

Kim wrote:

> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
>
> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
>
> Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
> Cheers
>

Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
investigators.

As to the way she built her business, we Americans vote
with our dollars. If enough of us did not like what
she did, she'd have gone broke.

--Tony


--
-------------------------
I Fish. Therefore, I am.
-------------------------

Kim wrote:

> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
>
> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
>
> Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
> Cheers
>

Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
investigators.

As to the way she built her business, we Americans vote
with our dollars. If enough of us did not like what
she did, she'd have gone broke.

--Tony


--
-------------------------
I Fish. Therefore, I am.
-------------------------

Exactly Tony. And her lie was that she said she was innocent. Sounds like
circular reasoning by the prosecution to me. Guess all people investigated
must confess now or more charges will be piled on.
I think the original poster twisted the facts to suit her argument.
Some people like MS products and ideas. Some also feel she was punished
because of her position and attitude and that it wasn't justice at all.
I think the original poster's argument takes a too emotionalized view of the
way people look at MS.
..

"Anthony Ewell" > wrote in message
...
> Kim wrote:
>
> > I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> > Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> > decorating.
> >
> > Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> > simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> > well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> > surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> > about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> > entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
> >
> > That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> > how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> > funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> > will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> > commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> > select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
> >
> > Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>
> Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
> were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
> investigators.
>
> As to the way she built her business, we Americans vote
> with our dollars. If enough of us did not like what
> she did, she'd have gone broke.
>
> --Tony
>
>
> --
> -------------------------
> I Fish. Therefore, I am.
> -------------------------
>

Exactly Tony. And her lie was that she said she was innocent. Sounds like
circular reasoning by the prosecution to me. Guess all people investigated
must confess now or more charges will be piled on.
I think the original poster twisted the facts to suit her argument.
Some people like MS products and ideas. Some also feel she was punished
because of her position and attitude and that it wasn't justice at all.
I think the original poster's argument takes a too emotionalized view of the
way people look at MS.
..

"Anthony Ewell" > wrote in message
...
> Kim wrote:
>
> > I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> > Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> > decorating.
> >
> > Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> > simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> > well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> > surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> > about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> > entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
> >
> > That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> > how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> > funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> > will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> > commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> > select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
> >
> > Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>
> Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
> were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
> investigators.
>
> As to the way she built her business, we Americans vote
> with our dollars. If enough of us did not like what
> she did, she'd have gone broke.
>
> --Tony
>
>
> --
> -------------------------
> I Fish. Therefore, I am.
> -------------------------
>

Kim > wrote:
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.

Do all Europeans think and act the same way? Of course not. So why
would you assume that all Americans look to Martha Steward for advise
about lifestyle fashions and interior decorating? The fact is that
Martha Steward is very good at those things, as well as cooking. She
is very good at showing people ways they can improve various aspects
of their lives. Some people find that information helpful; others do not.

> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....

Of course. I doubt most Americans "hang on her every word" for any
area that she deals with. I doubt that any American does.

> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.

Martha Steward has not been convicted of fraud. Where did you get that
idea? She hasn't even been accused of fraud. Why also do you care what
Americans do with regard to how they look upon Martha Stewart? What's
the difference?

Kim > wrote:
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.

Do all Europeans think and act the same way? Of course not. So why
would you assume that all Americans look to Martha Steward for advise
about lifestyle fashions and interior decorating? The fact is that
Martha Steward is very good at those things, as well as cooking. She
is very good at showing people ways they can improve various aspects
of their lives. Some people find that information helpful; others do not.

> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....

Of course. I doubt most Americans "hang on her every word" for any
area that she deals with. I doubt that any American does.

> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.

Martha Steward has not been convicted of fraud. Where did you get that
idea? She hasn't even been accused of fraud. Why also do you care what
Americans do with regard to how they look upon Martha Stewart? What's
the difference?

Jeff Russell > wrote:
> Exactly Tony. And her lie was that she said she was innocent. Sounds like
> circular reasoning by the prosecution to me. Guess all people investigated
> must confess now or more charges will be piled on.

How do you know what lie Martha Steward told to the investigators? Were
you there? Were you in court to here all the testimony? If the government's
case against Martha is so strong, why is their star prosecution witness
up on perjury charges for lies he told in Martha's case when he testified
at her trial?

> I think the original poster twisted the facts to suit her argument.
> Some people like MS products and ideas. Some also feel she was punished
> because of her position and attitude and that it wasn't justice at all.
> I think the original poster's argument takes a too emotionalized view of the
> way people look at MS.

Agreed.

Jeff Russell > wrote:
> Exactly Tony. And her lie was that she said she was innocent. Sounds like
> circular reasoning by the prosecution to me. Guess all people investigated
> must confess now or more charges will be piled on.

How do you know what lie Martha Steward told to the investigators? Were
you there? Were you in court to here all the testimony? If the government's
case against Martha is so strong, why is their star prosecution witness
up on perjury charges for lies he told in Martha's case when he testified
at her trial?

> I think the original poster twisted the facts to suit her argument.
> Some people like MS products and ideas. Some also feel she was punished
> because of her position and attitude and that it wasn't justice at all.
> I think the original poster's argument takes a too emotionalized view of the
> way people look at MS.

Agreed.

> wrote in message ...
> Kim > wrote:
> > I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> > Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> > decorating.
>
> Do all Europeans think and act the same way? Of course not. So why
> would you assume that all Americans look to Martha Steward for advise
> about lifestyle fashions and interior decorating?

Indeed, some of us don't even watch Oprah nor hang on her every utterance.

> wrote in message ...
> Kim > wrote:
> > I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> > Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> > decorating.
>
> Do all Europeans think and act the same way? Of course not. So why
> would you assume that all Americans look to Martha Steward for advise
> about lifestyle fashions and interior decorating?

Indeed, some of us don't even watch Oprah nor hang on her every utterance.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:33:20 +1200, Kim >
wrote:

>I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
>Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
>decorating.
>
>Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
>simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
>well?

What?? No, none of us knew that!!!! Glory be, it takes someone from
afar to point out that she has pulled the (crocheted) wool over our
collective eyes. I feel so... betrayed.

> Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
>surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
>about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
>entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....

Oh please don't tell us that. You will ruin our carefully constructed
capitalistic and materialistic American lifestyle fantasy to which we
all aspire. Of course, you are right that we don't need anyone to
tell us how to entertain Top Brass. We learn it in grammar school and
high school. We all have TB over to dinner every week, just like they
do in 1940s movies. After dinner we retire to the drawing room. I do
have a difficult time, though, finding TB in my neck of the woods, but
if I am determined I can usually find some wandering the streets.

>That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
>how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
>funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
>will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
>commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
>select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.

We are all devastated here in the US. The streets are lined with
citizens holding candles in tribute to a fallen icon. Where shall we
look next? B. Smith is waiting in the wings. Chris Madden? Help
us!

>Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
>Cheers

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:33:20 +1200, Kim >
wrote:

>I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
>Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
>decorating.
>
>Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
>simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
>well?

What?? No, none of us knew that!!!! Glory be, it takes someone from
afar to point out that she has pulled the (crocheted) wool over our
collective eyes. I feel so... betrayed.

> Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
>surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
>about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
>entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....

Oh please don't tell us that. You will ruin our carefully constructed
capitalistic and materialistic American lifestyle fantasy to which we
all aspire. Of course, you are right that we don't need anyone to
tell us how to entertain Top Brass. We learn it in grammar school and
high school. We all have TB over to dinner every week, just like they
do in 1940s movies. After dinner we retire to the drawing room. I do
have a difficult time, though, finding TB in my neck of the woods, but
if I am determined I can usually find some wandering the streets.

>That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
>how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
>funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
>will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
>commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
>select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.

We are all devastated here in the US. The streets are lined with
citizens holding candles in tribute to a fallen icon. Where shall we
look next? B. Smith is waiting in the wings. Chris Madden? Help
us!

>Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
>Cheers

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

Kim wrote:
>
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....

Who she anyone "hangs on her every word"??? There may
be a few weirdos who do that but it seems to me that most
people just glean the things they like or are interested
in from all she offers. I like her show and she does many
things that I think are tasty (food) or attractive (decorating
ideas) but I certainly pick and choose according to my own
taste. Only nutcases slavishly follow any supposed trend-
setter. Most people make their own judgements about things.
(At least I sure hope so!)

As to those who hate her and think she's evil because
she does all these things on her show that most people
don't have the time or money to do - well, nobody is
forcing anyone to do any of this stuff. And if it makes
you feel inadequate because you aren't able to decorate
and entertain the way she "appears" to do on her show,
well then you just don't have a lot of self-confidence,
do you. I say, it's fun to watch and see a lot of interesting
ideas but you don't have to do it all. I hardly do any of
it but when she presents an idea that I find worthwhile
and suits my sensibilities and time/energy constraints
I will use it. The other stuff I just enjoy watching
or, if not I turn off the show, and let it go.

> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.

I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal about
the whole thing. I guess people just like to see the
privileged brought low. I personally don't think what she
did was so bad. There have been lots worse things that
people have done that don't get nearly the play this did.
I tend to believe that she was not totally aware that
what she did was wrong. I may be wrong about that but
that's what I believe. Sure, in some ways she is very
savvy, but I also believe her to be somewhat naive in some
respects.

At least she didn't steal from her employees pension plans.
Sure what she did was wrong but in the big scheme of things
there's lots worse that's going on and *really* hurting us
poor people. Sure I have to struggle by on about 1 billionth
of the money she has but for some reason I don't begrudge her
like I do some people (Paris Hilton springs immediately to
mind).

I'm not a slavish Martha fan, I like her show and some of
her products but that's about it. But I do feel a little
sorry for her.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Kim wrote:
>
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....

Who she anyone "hangs on her every word"??? There may
be a few weirdos who do that but it seems to me that most
people just glean the things they like or are interested
in from all she offers. I like her show and she does many
things that I think are tasty (food) or attractive (decorating
ideas) but I certainly pick and choose according to my own
taste. Only nutcases slavishly follow any supposed trend-
setter. Most people make their own judgements about things.
(At least I sure hope so!)

As to those who hate her and think she's evil because
she does all these things on her show that most people
don't have the time or money to do - well, nobody is
forcing anyone to do any of this stuff. And if it makes
you feel inadequate because you aren't able to decorate
and entertain the way she "appears" to do on her show,
well then you just don't have a lot of self-confidence,
do you. I say, it's fun to watch and see a lot of interesting
ideas but you don't have to do it all. I hardly do any of
it but when she presents an idea that I find worthwhile
and suits my sensibilities and time/energy constraints
I will use it. The other stuff I just enjoy watching
or, if not I turn off the show, and let it go.

> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.

I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal about
the whole thing. I guess people just like to see the
privileged brought low. I personally don't think what she
did was so bad. There have been lots worse things that
people have done that don't get nearly the play this did.
I tend to believe that she was not totally aware that
what she did was wrong. I may be wrong about that but
that's what I believe. Sure, in some ways she is very
savvy, but I also believe her to be somewhat naive in some
respects.

At least she didn't steal from her employees pension plans.
Sure what she did was wrong but in the big scheme of things
there's lots worse that's going on and *really* hurting us
poor people. Sure I have to struggle by on about 1 billionth
of the money she has but for some reason I don't begrudge her
like I do some people (Paris Hilton springs immediately to
mind).

I'm not a slavish Martha fan, I like her show and some of
her products but that's about it. But I do feel a little
sorry for her.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Anthony Ewell wrote:

> Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
> were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
> investigators.

Yes. She was (I am not kidding) convicted of lying about
not committing inside trading. Only in America could some-
one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
committed the crime she wasn't charged with. And then
we wonder why the rest of the world worries that we have
nuclear weapons...

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wrote:
> Jeff Russell > wrote:

> How do you know what lie Martha Steward told to the investigators?

Try google. Here's one:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1075219810376Were

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wrote:
> Jeff Russell > wrote:

> How do you know what lie Martha Steward told to the investigators?

Try google. Here's one:
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1075219810376Were

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Matt wrote:

> Indeed, some of us don't even watch Oprah nor hang on her every utterance.

Who the hell is Oprah?

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"Kim" > wrote in message
...
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
>
> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
>
> Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
> Cheers

Martha is a marketing genius. She basically has suckered in all her 'fans'
that actually went out to buy more of her product once she was sentenced
(and her stock apparently) than she could have hoped for.
I laughed at the media circus that occurred at the courthouse when she was
sentenced. The rank-and-file newspeople (read as cameramen, equipment
managers, etc.) couldn't care less as to what was happening-but hey, the
media has to report this (read as 'we have to keep our jobs').
The average person would have gone to jail for a year if this happened to
them-only $$$ and media attention cut it short for Martha-that and all her
'fans'-people she has never met and couldn't give a rats-ass about, sending
in letters pleading for leniency for Martha.

"Kim" > wrote in message
...
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
>
> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
>
> Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
> Cheers

Martha is a marketing genius. She basically has suckered in all her 'fans'
that actually went out to buy more of her product once she was sentenced
(and her stock apparently) than she could have hoped for.
I laughed at the media circus that occurred at the courthouse when she was
sentenced. The rank-and-file newspeople (read as cameramen, equipment
managers, etc.) couldn't care less as to what was happening-but hey, the
media has to report this (read as 'we have to keep our jobs').
The average person would have gone to jail for a year if this happened to
them-only $$$ and media attention cut it short for Martha-that and all her
'fans'-people she has never met and couldn't give a rats-ass about, sending
in letters pleading for leniency for Martha.

Curly Sue wrote:

> We are all devastated here in the US. The streets are lined with
> citizens holding candles in tribute to a fallen icon. Where shall we
> look next? B. Smith is waiting in the wings. Chris Madden? Help
> us!

(laughing!!!!) It's funny when people generalize about Americans to
start with, now they think we all idolize MS. Yeah, okay, fine.
Guess they missed all the people bashing her all these years.

nancy

Curly Sue wrote:

> We are all devastated here in the US. The streets are lined with
> citizens holding candles in tribute to a fallen icon. Where shall we
> look next? B. Smith is waiting in the wings. Chris Madden? Help
> us!

(laughing!!!!) It's funny when people generalize about Americans to
start with, now they think we all idolize MS. Yeah, okay, fine.
Guess they missed all the people bashing her all these years.

nancy

I think you misunderstood me.
She was charged with lying to a Federal officer and I believe that charge
was based on her denying she had done anything wrong. I don't agree with the
charge from what I understand.
Perhaps I should have put lie in quotes.

> wrote in message ...
> Jeff Russell > wrote:
> > Exactly Tony. And her lie was that she said she was innocent. Sounds
like
> > circular reasoning by the prosecution to me. Guess all people
investigated
> > must confess now or more charges will be piled on.
>
> How do you know what lie Martha Steward told to the investigators? Were
> you there? Were you in court to here all the testimony? If the
government's
> case against Martha is so strong, why is their star prosecution witness
> up on perjury charges for lies he told in Martha's case when he testified
> at her trial?
>
> > I think the original poster twisted the facts to suit her argument.
> > Some people like MS products and ideas. Some also feel she was punished
> > because of her position and attitude and that it wasn't justice at all.
> > I think the original poster's argument takes a too emotionalized view of
the
> > way people look at MS.
>
> Agreed.
>

I think you misunderstood me.
She was charged with lying to a Federal officer and I believe that charge
was based on her denying she had done anything wrong. I don't agree with the
charge from what I understand.
Perhaps I should have put lie in quotes.

> wrote in message ...
> Jeff Russell > wrote:
> > Exactly Tony. And her lie was that she said she was innocent. Sounds
like
> > circular reasoning by the prosecution to me. Guess all people
investigated
> > must confess now or more charges will be piled on.
>
> How do you know what lie Martha Steward told to the investigators? Were
> you there? Were you in court to here all the testimony? If the
government's
> case against Martha is so strong, why is their star prosecution witness
> up on perjury charges for lies he told in Martha's case when he testified
> at her trial?
>
> > I think the original poster twisted the facts to suit her argument.
> > Some people like MS products and ideas. Some also feel she was punished
> > because of her position and attitude and that it wasn't justice at all.
> > I think the original poster's argument takes a too emotionalized view of
the
> > way people look at MS.
>
> Agreed.
>

I agree with your initial point but the anti-American rhetoric is very thick
and not true.

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Anthony Ewell wrote:
>
> > Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
> > were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
> > investigators.
>
> Yes. She was (I am not kidding) convicted of lying about
> not committing inside trading. Only in America could some-
> one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
> but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
> committed the crime she wasn't charged with. And then
> we wonder why the rest of the world worries that we have
> nuclear weapons...
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Anti-American? Do I sound anti-american? I am not.
I am, however, anti-stupid people, and frankly, having
been born in the US, raised in the US, lived in the US,
and in all probability soon to die in the US - I'm here
to tell you we are collar-bone deep in stupid people and
it's getting deeper. Kindly do recall that this _is_ the
country that convicted Martha Stewart of lying about
something she wasn't charged with. The one that failed
to convict "The Juice". The same one that elected Bill
Clinton president. Twice. The one that has more lawyers
than it has engineering students - by an order of magnitude.
The country that just a few months ago announced a
new space initiative to expand the international space
station, build a base on the moon, and fly to Mars -
right before it cut Nasa's budget - again. The one
where the Democrats still claim the Republicans "stole"
the Presidential election, even though not even the
rabidly liberal Miami Herald was able to find enough
votes in the ballot box to save Gore's sorry ass when
the court granted them access to the ballots under FOIA.
The country that elected Ronald Reagan to the Presidency
- twice. The one where people can't figure out a butterfly
ballot. The same country that doesn't seem to understand
that a closed-source electronic voting system will go
into service just _after_ the last free election we ever
have. The one that covered up the gov't murder of 85
men, women and children in Waco and then couldn't under-
stand how we managed to create a home-grown terrorist.
The one that showed said terrorist that murder was wrong
by killing him on TV while a bunch of ghouls watched.
The one that built the school system that so alienated
some of its students that it hatched a pair of lunatics
loaded up with guns and bombs who killed 13 people - and
then the next day responded by rounding up every student
in the country who wore a black trench coat and alienated
them even further...and whose most enduring lesson from
the whole affair was to ban people from wearing black
trench coats or carrying pocket knives. A country where
we cannot legally carry pocket knives near schools or on
planes but where we are routinely provided food and goods
so tightly sealed in tough plastic "for our protection"
that no human nails can open them. The country that had
four airliners stolen and flown into major landmarks with
horrific loss of life who then created an entire new federal
bureaucracy whose first action was to ban nail clippers
from airplanes. The one that protects the Constitution
by gutting the civil rights it was founded to protect.
That one. "Leader of the Free World?" "Home of the
Brave?" How brave can we be when we have proven _in_court_
that we are not competent to put cream in our own coffee?
And how did that one get solved? Now McDonald's writes
"careful, coffee may be hot" on their mugs and won't let
us put our own cream in them. Ohhhhh - I feel so much
safer now...

Don't lecture me about anti-Americanism. I came by
mine the honest way, I'm an American _citizen_, and
I damned sick and tired of my whining, miserable,
cowardly fellow Americans. The ones who are so
against the "unnecessary" war - but who really do
support the troops. How patronizing can you get?
The troops may very well be the only ones smart
enough to realize how badly they _are_ being
patronized.

And guess what? Bad as my opinion is of my fellow
citizens, my opinion of non-Americans is even poorer.
Americans are merely stupid. The French are actively
evil.



Jeff Russell wrote:
> I agree with your initial point but the anti-American rhetoric is very thick
> and not true.
>
> "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Anthony Ewell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
>>>were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
>>>investigators.
>>
>>Yes. She was (I am not kidding) convicted of lying about
>>not committing inside trading. Only in America could some-
>>one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
>>but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
>>committed the crime she wasn't charged with. And then
>>we wonder why the rest of the world worries that we have
>>nuclear weapons...
>>
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Anti-American? Do I sound anti-american? I am not.
I am, however, anti-stupid people, and frankly, having
been born in the US, raised in the US, lived in the US,
and in all probability soon to die in the US - I'm here
to tell you we are collar-bone deep in stupid people and
it's getting deeper. Kindly do recall that this _is_ the
country that convicted Martha Stewart of lying about
something she wasn't charged with. The one that failed
to convict "The Juice". The same one that elected Bill
Clinton president. Twice. The one that has more lawyers
than it has engineering students - by an order of magnitude.
The country that just a few months ago announced a
new space initiative to expand the international space
station, build a base on the moon, and fly to Mars -
right before it cut Nasa's budget - again. The one
where the Democrats still claim the Republicans "stole"
the Presidential election, even though not even the
rabidly liberal Miami Herald was able to find enough
votes in the ballot box to save Gore's sorry ass when
the court granted them access to the ballots under FOIA.
The country that elected Ronald Reagan to the Presidency
- twice. The one where people can't figure out a butterfly
ballot. The same country that doesn't seem to understand
that a closed-source electronic voting system will go
into service just _after_ the last free election we ever
have. The one that covered up the gov't murder of 85
men, women and children in Waco and then couldn't under-
stand how we managed to create a home-grown terrorist.
The one that showed said terrorist that murder was wrong
by killing him on TV while a bunch of ghouls watched.
The one that built the school system that so alienated
some of its students that it hatched a pair of lunatics
loaded up with guns and bombs who killed 13 people - and
then the next day responded by rounding up every student
in the country who wore a black trench coat and alienated
them even further...and whose most enduring lesson from
the whole affair was to ban people from wearing black
trench coats or carrying pocket knives. A country where
we cannot legally carry pocket knives near schools or on
planes but where we are routinely provided food and goods
so tightly sealed in tough plastic "for our protection"
that no human nails can open them. The country that had
four airliners stolen and flown into major landmarks with
horrific loss of life who then created an entire new federal
bureaucracy whose first action was to ban nail clippers
from airplanes. The one that protects the Constitution
by gutting the civil rights it was founded to protect.
That one. "Leader of the Free World?" "Home of the
Brave?" How brave can we be when we have proven _in_court_
that we are not competent to put cream in our own coffee?
And how did that one get solved? Now McDonald's writes
"careful, coffee may be hot" on their mugs and won't let
us put our own cream in them. Ohhhhh - I feel so much
safer now...

Don't lecture me about anti-Americanism. I came by
mine the honest way, I'm an American _citizen_, and
I damned sick and tired of my whining, miserable,
cowardly fellow Americans. The ones who are so
against the "unnecessary" war - but who really do
support the troops. How patronizing can you get?
The troops may very well be the only ones smart
enough to realize how badly they _are_ being
patronized.

And guess what? Bad as my opinion is of my fellow
citizens, my opinion of non-Americans is even poorer.
Americans are merely stupid. The French are actively
evil.



Jeff Russell wrote:
> I agree with your initial point but the anti-American rhetoric is very thick
> and not true.
>
> "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Anthony Ewell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
>>>were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
>>>investigators.
>>
>>Yes. She was (I am not kidding) convicted of lying about
>>not committing inside trading. Only in America could some-
>>one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
>>but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
>>committed the crime she wasn't charged with. And then
>>we wonder why the rest of the world worries that we have
>>nuclear weapons...
>>
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willille wrote:
> Larry Smith > wrote in message >...
>
>>I'm here
>>to tell you we are collar-bone deep in stupid people and
>>it's getting deeper.
>
> (cut)
> Amen!

Heh, heh, heh - not the response I expected to a thoroughgoing
spleen-venting. =) Oh, well. I feel better now. =)

Anyway - to bring this thread back to cooking...what is your
favorite recipe (if any) from Martha (or Mothra for you Japanese
readers)? I've never had occasion to try it, but I've always
wanted to try her corn bread and challah stuffing:
(http://www.cooken.com/WebRecipes/Mar...inChallah.html)
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willille wrote:
> Larry Smith > wrote in message >...
>
>>I'm here
>>to tell you we are collar-bone deep in stupid people and
>>it's getting deeper.
>
> (cut)
> Amen!

Heh, heh, heh - not the response I expected to a thoroughgoing
spleen-venting. =) Oh, well. I feel better now. =)

Anyway - to bring this thread back to cooking...what is your
favorite recipe (if any) from Martha (or Mothra for you Japanese
readers)? I've never had occasion to try it, but I've always
wanted to try her corn bread and challah stuffing:
(http://www.cooken.com/WebRecipes/Mar...inChallah.html)
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Wow, I guess you are really ****ed off.
I wasn't lecturing you, I disagreed with your "Only in America could some-
> >>one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
> >>but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
> >>committed the crime she wasn't charged with" statement.
The justice systems (if I can even call them that) in much of the world, are
generally so much worse than the US. The statement sounded like a typical
overseas knock on the US. I see that it wasn't. It was someone disgruntled
and frustrated with the way she was treated. Got it.

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> Anti-American? Do I sound anti-american? I am not.
> I am, however, anti-stupid people, and frankly, having
> been born in the US, raised in the US, lived in the US,
> and in all probability soon to die in the US - I'm here
> to tell you we are collar-bone deep in stupid people and
> it's getting deeper. Kindly do recall that this _is_ the
> country that convicted Martha Stewart of lying about
> something she wasn't charged with. The one that failed
> to convict "The Juice". The same one that elected Bill
> Clinton president. Twice. The one that has more lawyers
> than it has engineering students - by an order of magnitude.
> The country that just a few months ago announced a
> new space initiative to expand the international space
> station, build a base on the moon, and fly to Mars -
> right before it cut Nasa's budget - again. The one
> where the Democrats still claim the Republicans "stole"
> the Presidential election, even though not even the
> rabidly liberal Miami Herald was able to find enough
> votes in the ballot box to save Gore's sorry ass when
> the court granted them access to the ballots under FOIA.
> The country that elected Ronald Reagan to the Presidency
> - twice. The one where people can't figure out a butterfly
> ballot. The same country that doesn't seem to understand
> that a closed-source electronic voting system will go
> into service just _after_ the last free election we ever
> have. The one that covered up the gov't murder of 85
> men, women and children in Waco and then couldn't under-
> stand how we managed to create a home-grown terrorist.
> The one that showed said terrorist that murder was wrong
> by killing him on TV while a bunch of ghouls watched.
> The one that built the school system that so alienated
> some of its students that it hatched a pair of lunatics
> loaded up with guns and bombs who killed 13 people - and
> then the next day responded by rounding up every student
> in the country who wore a black trench coat and alienated
> them even further...and whose most enduring lesson from
> the whole affair was to ban people from wearing black
> trench coats or carrying pocket knives. A country where
> we cannot legally carry pocket knives near schools or on
> planes but where we are routinely provided food and goods
> so tightly sealed in tough plastic "for our protection"
> that no human nails can open them. The country that had
> four airliners stolen and flown into major landmarks with
> horrific loss of life who then created an entire new federal
> bureaucracy whose first action was to ban nail clippers
> from airplanes. The one that protects the Constitution
> by gutting the civil rights it was founded to protect.
> That one. "Leader of the Free World?" "Home of the
> Brave?" How brave can we be when we have proven _in_court_
> that we are not competent to put cream in our own coffee?
> And how did that one get solved? Now McDonald's writes
> "careful, coffee may be hot" on their mugs and won't let
> us put our own cream in them. Ohhhhh - I feel so much
> safer now...
>
> Don't lecture me about anti-Americanism. I came by
> mine the honest way, I'm an American _citizen_, and
> I damned sick and tired of my whining, miserable,
> cowardly fellow Americans. The ones who are so
> against the "unnecessary" war - but who really do
> support the troops. How patronizing can you get?
> The troops may very well be the only ones smart
> enough to realize how badly they _are_ being
> patronized.
>
> And guess what? Bad as my opinion is of my fellow
> citizens, my opinion of non-Americans is even poorer.
> Americans are merely stupid. The French are actively
> evil.
>
>
>
> Jeff Russell wrote:
> > I agree with your initial point but the anti-American rhetoric is very
thick
> > and not true.
> >
> > "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Anthony Ewell wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
> >>>were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
> >>>investigators.
> >>
> >>Yes. She was (I am not kidding) convicted of lying about
> >>not committing inside trading. Only in America could some-
> >>one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
> >>but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
> >>committed the crime she wasn't charged with. And then
> >>we wonder why the rest of the world worries that we have
> >>nuclear weapons...
> >>
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Also, I agree with your "stupid people" comment but that's what happens
(IMO) with an affluent growing population. There's less pressure to weed out
the dumb ones.

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> Anti-American? Do I sound anti-american? I am not.
> I am, however, anti-stupid people, and frankly, having
> been born in the US, raised in the US, lived in the US,
> and in all probability soon to die in the US - I'm here
> to tell you we are collar-bone deep in stupid people and
> it's getting deeper. Kindly do recall that this _is_ the
> country that convicted Martha Stewart of lying about
> something she wasn't charged with. The one that failed
> to convict "The Juice". The same one that elected Bill
> Clinton president. Twice. The one that has more lawyers
> than it has engineering students - by an order of magnitude.
> The country that just a few months ago announced a
> new space initiative to expand the international space
> station, build a base on the moon, and fly to Mars -
> right before it cut Nasa's budget - again. The one
> where the Democrats still claim the Republicans "stole"
> the Presidential election, even though not even the
> rabidly liberal Miami Herald was able to find enough
> votes in the ballot box to save Gore's sorry ass when
> the court granted them access to the ballots under FOIA.
> The country that elected Ronald Reagan to the Presidency
> - twice. The one where people can't figure out a butterfly
> ballot. The same country that doesn't seem to understand
> that a closed-source electronic voting system will go
> into service just _after_ the last free election we ever
> have. The one that covered up the gov't murder of 85
> men, women and children in Waco and then couldn't under-
> stand how we managed to create a home-grown terrorist.
> The one that showed said terrorist that murder was wrong
> by killing him on TV while a bunch of ghouls watched.
> The one that built the school system that so alienated
> some of its students that it hatched a pair of lunatics
> loaded up with guns and bombs who killed 13 people - and
> then the next day responded by rounding up every student
> in the country who wore a black trench coat and alienated
> them even further...and whose most enduring lesson from
> the whole affair was to ban people from wearing black
> trench coats or carrying pocket knives. A country where
> we cannot legally carry pocket knives near schools or on
> planes but where we are routinely provided food and goods
> so tightly sealed in tough plastic "for our protection"
> that no human nails can open them. The country that had
> four airliners stolen and flown into major landmarks with
> horrific loss of life who then created an entire new federal
> bureaucracy whose first action was to ban nail clippers
> from airplanes. The one that protects the Constitution
> by gutting the civil rights it was founded to protect.
> That one. "Leader of the Free World?" "Home of the
> Brave?" How brave can we be when we have proven _in_court_
> that we are not competent to put cream in our own coffee?
> And how did that one get solved? Now McDonald's writes
> "careful, coffee may be hot" on their mugs and won't let
> us put our own cream in them. Ohhhhh - I feel so much
> safer now...
>
> Don't lecture me about anti-Americanism. I came by
> mine the honest way, I'm an American _citizen_, and
> I damned sick and tired of my whining, miserable,
> cowardly fellow Americans. The ones who are so
> against the "unnecessary" war - but who really do
> support the troops. How patronizing can you get?
> The troops may very well be the only ones smart
> enough to realize how badly they _are_ being
> patronized.
>
> And guess what? Bad as my opinion is of my fellow
> citizens, my opinion of non-Americans is even poorer.
> Americans are merely stupid. The French are actively
> evil.
>
>
>
> Jeff Russell wrote:
> > I agree with your initial point but the anti-American rhetoric is very
thick
> > and not true.
> >
> > "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Anthony Ewell wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
> >>>were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
> >>>investigators.
> >>
> >>Yes. She was (I am not kidding) convicted of lying about
> >>not committing inside trading. Only in America could some-
> >>one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
> >>but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
> >>committed the crime she wasn't charged with. And then
> >>we wonder why the rest of the world worries that we have
> >>nuclear weapons...
> >>
> >>--
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> >
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> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>
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Also, I agree with your "stupid people" comment but that's what happens
(IMO) with an affluent growing population. There's less pressure to weed out
the dumb ones.

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
> Anti-American? Do I sound anti-american? I am not.
> I am, however, anti-stupid people, and frankly, having
> been born in the US, raised in the US, lived in the US,
> and in all probability soon to die in the US - I'm here
> to tell you we are collar-bone deep in stupid people and
> it's getting deeper. Kindly do recall that this _is_ the
> country that convicted Martha Stewart of lying about
> something she wasn't charged with. The one that failed
> to convict "The Juice". The same one that elected Bill
> Clinton president. Twice. The one that has more lawyers
> than it has engineering students - by an order of magnitude.
> The country that just a few months ago announced a
> new space initiative to expand the international space
> station, build a base on the moon, and fly to Mars -
> right before it cut Nasa's budget - again. The one
> where the Democrats still claim the Republicans "stole"
> the Presidential election, even though not even the
> rabidly liberal Miami Herald was able to find enough
> votes in the ballot box to save Gore's sorry ass when
> the court granted them access to the ballots under FOIA.
> The country that elected Ronald Reagan to the Presidency
> - twice. The one where people can't figure out a butterfly
> ballot. The same country that doesn't seem to understand
> that a closed-source electronic voting system will go
> into service just _after_ the last free election we ever
> have. The one that covered up the gov't murder of 85
> men, women and children in Waco and then couldn't under-
> stand how we managed to create a home-grown terrorist.
> The one that showed said terrorist that murder was wrong
> by killing him on TV while a bunch of ghouls watched.
> The one that built the school system that so alienated
> some of its students that it hatched a pair of lunatics
> loaded up with guns and bombs who killed 13 people - and
> then the next day responded by rounding up every student
> in the country who wore a black trench coat and alienated
> them even further...and whose most enduring lesson from
> the whole affair was to ban people from wearing black
> trench coats or carrying pocket knives. A country where
> we cannot legally carry pocket knives near schools or on
> planes but where we are routinely provided food and goods
> so tightly sealed in tough plastic "for our protection"
> that no human nails can open them. The country that had
> four airliners stolen and flown into major landmarks with
> horrific loss of life who then created an entire new federal
> bureaucracy whose first action was to ban nail clippers
> from airplanes. The one that protects the Constitution
> by gutting the civil rights it was founded to protect.
> That one. "Leader of the Free World?" "Home of the
> Brave?" How brave can we be when we have proven _in_court_
> that we are not competent to put cream in our own coffee?
> And how did that one get solved? Now McDonald's writes
> "careful, coffee may be hot" on their mugs and won't let
> us put our own cream in them. Ohhhhh - I feel so much
> safer now...
>
> Don't lecture me about anti-Americanism. I came by
> mine the honest way, I'm an American _citizen_, and
> I damned sick and tired of my whining, miserable,
> cowardly fellow Americans. The ones who are so
> against the "unnecessary" war - but who really do
> support the troops. How patronizing can you get?
> The troops may very well be the only ones smart
> enough to realize how badly they _are_ being
> patronized.
>
> And guess what? Bad as my opinion is of my fellow
> citizens, my opinion of non-Americans is even poorer.
> Americans are merely stupid. The French are actively
> evil.
>
>
>
> Jeff Russell wrote:
> > I agree with your initial point but the anti-American rhetoric is very
thick
> > and not true.
> >
> > "Larry Smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>Anthony Ewell wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Dude! She did not commit fraud (insider trading). Those charges
> >>>were thrown out of court. She was convicted of lying to
> >>>investigators.
> >>
> >>Yes. She was (I am not kidding) convicted of lying about
> >>not committing inside trading. Only in America could some-
> >>one not even be charged, let alone tried, for some crime,
> >>but convicted and sentenced to prison for denying she
> >>committed the crime she wasn't charged with. And then
> >>we wonder why the rest of the world worries that we have
> >>nuclear weapons...
> >>
> >>--
> >>.-. .-. .---. .---. .-..-.|Experts in Linux/Unix:
> >
> > www.WildOpenSource.com
> >
> >>| |__ / | \| |-< | |-< > / |"Making the bazaar more commonplace"
> >>`----'`-^-'`-'`-'`-'`-' `-' |Check out my new novel: "Cloud Realm" at:
> >>
> >
> >
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> > l
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:01:12 -0500, Howard Larson
> wrote:

>A hush settled over rec.food.cooking as Kim >
>rose to speak :
>
>[pompous guff snipped]
>>
>>Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
>I suppose it does. I once thought all Aussies were cut from the same
>cloth as Crocodile Dundee. You have plainly disabused me of that
>notion!

Anyone in the world can use an Australian email address. I did - and
I am NOT an Australian, nor do I live in Australia!

If Martha stopped by, I would let her in...
And I would not count the silverware after she left.


"Kim" > wrote in message
...
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
>
> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
>
> Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
> Cheers

If Martha stopped by, I would let her in...
And I would not count the silverware after she left.


"Kim" > wrote in message
...
> I often wonder, as do my friends, why Americans look to someone like
> Martha Stewart to instruct them about lifestyle fashions and interior
> decorating.
>
> Has it ever dawned on this woman's devotees that she is purely and
> simply an entrepreneural businesswoman who has marketed herself very
> well? Now, I have no quarrel with this method of making money, but
> surely one would have to be very gullible to hang on her every word
> about what cushions are de rigeur, what dinner napkins to use when
> entertaining the Top Brass, and so on .....
>
> That M.S. committed fraud and is now really having one big bitch about
> how petty people are about her conviction and sentence is very very
> funny. Now that her bubble has well and truly burst, how many people
> will return to kneel at the altar of her somewhat flimsy and overtly
> commercial propaganda about how you all should decorate your homes,
> select the towels, choose the dinner service, etc. etc.
>
> Ah well, as they say, it takes all sorts .....
>
> Cheers

<Alan > wrote in message
> Based on that, my feeling is that, whatever you think of her
> taste, she probably markets good quality products.
>
> Maybe.

Some of her stuff is not bad and is well priced as it is for the mass
market. I sort of close my eye when looking at the label. While I don't
care for the woman personally, some of her products found their way into my
house I have some of the tri-ply cookware. It is as good as the higher
priced name brand stuff with lots of snob appeal.
Ed

<Alan > wrote in message
> Based on that, my feeling is that, whatever you think of her
> taste, she probably markets good quality products.
>
> Maybe.

Some of her stuff is not bad and is well priced as it is for the mass
market. I sort of close my eye when looking at the label. While I don't
care for the woman personally, some of her products found their way into my
house I have some of the tri-ply cookware. It is as good as the higher
priced name brand stuff with lots of snob appeal.
Ed