>> In other words if someone offered to pay for your plane ticket, paid to
>ship
>> your personal effects, and paid your initial apt fees you'd leave.
>>
>>
>
>Well, yes! You offering? I've got two cats and a dog. Can I come stay
>with you?
>
>kili


Stay with me... "stay" implies free for nothing, as in *guest*... what happened
to your apt? How do you intend to pay your share of the living expenses...
this is a fairly expensive hacienda and I don't imagine you'd settle for a
pallet in the barn. LOL

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>> In other words if someone offered to pay for your plane ticket, paid to
>ship
>> your personal effects, and paid your initial apt fees you'd leave.
>>
>>
>
>Well, yes! You offering? I've got two cats and a dog. Can I come stay
>with you?
>
>kili


Stay with me... "stay" implies free for nothing, as in *guest*... what happened
to your apt? How do you intend to pay your share of the living expenses...
this is a fairly expensive hacienda and I don't imagine you'd settle for a
pallet in the barn. LOL

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"A.C." wrote:
>
> > Well I beg to differ!! I've lived on the West Coast close to 50 years
> > and rarely have I found anyone who didn't consider Coors a notch or more
> > above Bud, Miller or any of the other 'domestic' stuff. Most Coors
> > bashers I've seen have been mostly because of their non-union brewery in
> > Colorado.
> >
>
> coors, bud, miller and all mass produced american beer is **** water.
> evidently you don't know what good beer is

I never saw the appeal of Coors. I live in Calif. from
72-85 and that's where I first came across it. Everyone
raved about it. I tried it and it wasn't even as good
as Bud. It was like drinking nasty tasting water.

Of course, since the early days of my beer drinking my
tastes have change and now I no longer care for Bud, etc.
I prefer things like Pilsner Urquel and Grolsch and of
course the thousands of great local brews that everyone
is making these days at the brewpubs and microbreweries.

Kate
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Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

"A.C." wrote:
>
> > Well I beg to differ!! I've lived on the West Coast close to 50 years
> > and rarely have I found anyone who didn't consider Coors a notch or more
> > above Bud, Miller or any of the other 'domestic' stuff. Most Coors
> > bashers I've seen have been mostly because of their non-union brewery in
> > Colorado.
> >
>
> coors, bud, miller and all mass produced american beer is **** water.
> evidently you don't know what good beer is

I never saw the appeal of Coors. I live in Calif. from
72-85 and that's where I first came across it. Everyone
raved about it. I tried it and it wasn't even as good
as Bud. It was like drinking nasty tasting water.

Of course, since the early days of my beer drinking my
tastes have change and now I no longer care for Bud, etc.
I prefer things like Pilsner Urquel and Grolsch and of
course the thousands of great local brews that everyone
is making these days at the brewpubs and microbreweries.

Kate
--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Robin Cowdrey wrote:

> You can also blame the ****ing Americans when it comes to the price of
beef.
> When BSE was identified in a single beef carcase in northern Alberta in
May,
> 2003 (the animal was from a farm operated by a recent immigrant from the
> US), the US closed the border to Canadian beef, in spite of the fact that
> there had been unlimited movement back and forth across the border for
> decades, i.e. we share our germs. The US producers welcomed the ban since
> it enabled the price of their beef to increase because of decreased
imports.
> The Canadian public rallied around their farmers and bought lots of beef
but
> wondered why, since there was such a glut, the price didn't come down.
> Today a report was issued by the Alberta auditor general enlightening us
as
> to why this happened. The US owned packing plants in Alberta apparently
> bought cheap and sold at the market price. Along the way they increased
> their profitability almost three fold. They also had the unmitigated gall
> to take over two hundred million dollars from the Alberta government in
> handouts to the industry because of the crisis. When pressed to open their
> records to investigators, they refused. Now, of couse, we know why! The
> North American Free Trade treaty is being used as a way of ripping off
> Canada and Mexico.
>
> I shouldn't be surprised since this is the American way. Profit rules!
>
> I haven't been near this ng for quite a while but have monitored it for
the
> last week or two and seen quite a few familiar faces. I must admit that I
> like you individually and have even met one or two of you. But
collectively
> I don't like you. And I understand why the rest of the world doesn't.
>
> I've read suggestions that we should start hitting you back where it
hurts,
> i.e. restricting energy exports (and we have a lot of that here - once the
> oil and gas runs out we have plentiful supplies of oil sand and coal).
Hard
> to do against a country that takes 88% of our exports (Did any of you know
> that? We are your biggest trading partner. Obviously we have to look
further
> afield since you continue to abuse us.). Sounds like "The Mouse That
Roared"
> but those of us that think are p*ss*d off....at you guys and f*ck*ng
Ralph,
> our premier.

wow, such hostility. go watch a hockey game, drink a molson and eat some
back bacon eh? ;-)

Robin Cowdrey wrote:

> You can also blame the ****ing Americans when it comes to the price of
beef.
> When BSE was identified in a single beef carcase in northern Alberta in
May,
> 2003 (the animal was from a farm operated by a recent immigrant from the
> US), the US closed the border to Canadian beef, in spite of the fact that
> there had been unlimited movement back and forth across the border for
> decades, i.e. we share our germs. The US producers welcomed the ban since
> it enabled the price of their beef to increase because of decreased
imports.
> The Canadian public rallied around their farmers and bought lots of beef
but
> wondered why, since there was such a glut, the price didn't come down.
> Today a report was issued by the Alberta auditor general enlightening us
as
> to why this happened. The US owned packing plants in Alberta apparently
> bought cheap and sold at the market price. Along the way they increased
> their profitability almost three fold. They also had the unmitigated gall
> to take over two hundred million dollars from the Alberta government in
> handouts to the industry because of the crisis. When pressed to open their
> records to investigators, they refused. Now, of couse, we know why! The
> North American Free Trade treaty is being used as a way of ripping off
> Canada and Mexico.
>
> I shouldn't be surprised since this is the American way. Profit rules!
>
> I haven't been near this ng for quite a while but have monitored it for
the
> last week or two and seen quite a few familiar faces. I must admit that I
> like you individually and have even met one or two of you. But
collectively
> I don't like you. And I understand why the rest of the world doesn't.
>
> I've read suggestions that we should start hitting you back where it
hurts,
> i.e. restricting energy exports (and we have a lot of that here - once the
> oil and gas runs out we have plentiful supplies of oil sand and coal).
Hard
> to do against a country that takes 88% of our exports (Did any of you know
> that? We are your biggest trading partner. Obviously we have to look
further
> afield since you continue to abuse us.). Sounds like "The Mouse That
Roared"
> but those of us that think are p*ss*d off....at you guys and f*ck*ng
Ralph,
> our premier.

wow, such hostility. go watch a hockey game, drink a molson and eat some
back bacon eh? ;-)

Sam Wellens wrote:

> The two world wars started in Europe, the birthplace of Western
> civilization.

Let us not mince words, Sam. Two world wars started
in _Germany_, amidst the descendents of the people
whom Rome first dubbed "barbarians". And it yet
remains to be seen that a reunited Germany won't
do it a third time. True enough, Italy joined in
- but it was Germany that fired the first shot.

But the basic point remains the same. Islam or
Socialism, when a religion (and, yes, Socialism,
at least as practiced in Germany, WAS a religion)
gets out of control and starts demanding certain
people be killed, violence and war inevitably
follows.

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Sam Wellens wrote:

> The two world wars started in Europe, the birthplace of Western
> civilization.

Let us not mince words, Sam. Two world wars started
in _Germany_, amidst the descendents of the people
whom Rome first dubbed "barbarians". And it yet
remains to be seen that a reunited Germany won't
do it a third time. True enough, Italy joined in
- but it was Germany that fired the first shot.

But the basic point remains the same. Islam or
Socialism, when a religion (and, yes, Socialism,
at least as practiced in Germany, WAS a religion)
gets out of control and starts demanding certain
people be killed, violence and war inevitably
follows.

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Larry Smith wrote:

> Sam Wellens wrote:
>
>> The two world wars started in Europe, the birthplace of Western
>> civilization.
>
> Let us not mince words, Sam. Two world wars started in _Germany_,
> amidst the descendents of the people whom Rome first dubbed
> "barbarians". And it yet remains to be seen that a reunited Germany
> won't do it a third time. True enough, Italy joined in - but it was
> Germany that fired the first shot.
>

I'm not gonna defend the Nazis, but the rest of Europe screwed Germany
too much with the Treaty of Versaille so that WWII was enevitable; it
was just a continuation of WWI. (I haven't figured out how Japan got
envolved, unless they just took advantage of the instability in the
world as an opportunity to expand their territory)

Best regards,
Bob

Larry Smith wrote:

> Sam Wellens wrote:
>
>> The two world wars started in Europe, the birthplace of Western
>> civilization.
>
> Let us not mince words, Sam. Two world wars started in _Germany_,
> amidst the descendents of the people whom Rome first dubbed
> "barbarians". And it yet remains to be seen that a reunited Germany
> won't do it a third time. True enough, Italy joined in - but it was
> Germany that fired the first shot.
>

I'm not gonna defend the Nazis, but the rest of Europe screwed Germany
too much with the Treaty of Versaille so that WWII was enevitable; it
was just a continuation of WWI. (I haven't figured out how Japan got
envolved, unless they just took advantage of the instability in the
world as an opportunity to expand their territory)

Best regards,
Bob

Larry Smith wrote:

> Sam Wellens wrote:
>
>> The two world wars started in Europe, the birthplace of Western
>> civilization.
>
> Let us not mince words, Sam. Two world wars started in _Germany_,
> amidst the descendents of the people whom Rome first dubbed
> "barbarians". And it yet remains to be seen that a reunited Germany
> won't do it a third time. True enough, Italy joined in - but it was
> Germany that fired the first shot.
>

I'm not gonna defend the Nazis, but the rest of Europe screwed Germany
too much with the Treaty of Versaille so that WWII was enevitable; it
was just a continuation of WWI. (I haven't figured out how Japan got
envolved, unless they just took advantage of the instability in the
world as an opportunity to expand their territory)

Best regards,
Bob

Larry Smith > wrote in
:

>> How is elaborating a complex plan to eliminate millions of people
>> being a realist? If you were a realist, you would face the fact
>> that the problems stem from abuse by western powers and their
>> toadies (including the House of Saud and Saddam Husayn)
>
> Total, unmitigated, crap.

Twenty years ago, the Muslims were your allies in the struggle
against Innernashunal Kammynism in Afghanistan. Six years ago,
Muslims were your allies in the struggle against the "evil Serbs" (tm
applied for).

Now they're your enemies. How did that happen? Who ****ed up?

Can't you see you're being manipulated? No, it's not the Jews, it's
those right-wing Christian arseholes. And you're their number one
tool, along with Katra and all the others who buy this rhethoric of
hatred that only begets more rhethoric of hatred.

They manipulate you because they prey on your fears. In his first
inaugural speech of March 4, 1933, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said:

"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing
we have to fear is fear itself—-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified
terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into
advance."

The US government was recently caught with its security pants down,
admitting that the latest alert was based on 3-year old information.
there was some bafflegab about recent updates, yadda yadda, but no
one in their right mind believes a word of it. Are they running out
of things to frighten you with? What ever will you do when you can
breathe easily? Toss Bush out of the White House, maybe?

--

Larry Smith > wrote in
:

>> How is elaborating a complex plan to eliminate millions of people
>> being a realist? If you were a realist, you would face the fact
>> that the problems stem from abuse by western powers and their
>> toadies (including the House of Saud and Saddam Husayn)
>
> Total, unmitigated, crap.

Twenty years ago, the Muslims were your allies in the struggle
against Innernashunal Kammynism in Afghanistan. Six years ago,
Muslims were your allies in the struggle against the "evil Serbs" (tm
applied for).

Now they're your enemies. How did that happen? Who ****ed up?

Can't you see you're being manipulated? No, it's not the Jews, it's
those right-wing Christian arseholes. And you're their number one
tool, along with Katra and all the others who buy this rhethoric of
hatred that only begets more rhethoric of hatred.

They manipulate you because they prey on your fears. In his first
inaugural speech of March 4, 1933, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said:

"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing
we have to fear is fear itself—-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified
terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into
advance."

The US government was recently caught with its security pants down,
admitting that the latest alert was based on 3-year old information.
there was some bafflegab about recent updates, yadda yadda, but no
one in their right mind believes a word of it. Are they running out
of things to frighten you with? What ever will you do when you can
breathe easily? Toss Bush out of the White House, maybe?

--

On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 19:14:08 GMT, Default User
> wrote:

>Katra wrote:
>
>> Get real. Most arabs are worse than animals!
>
>
>And that's a big plonko for the racist.
>
>
>
>
>Brian Rodenborn

i am shocked reading some of this stuff. it's disgusting.

your pal,
blake

Michel Boucher > wrote in message >. ..
> Larry Smith > wrote in
> :
>
> >> How is elaborating a complex plan to eliminate millions of people
> >> being a realist? If you were a realist, you would face the fact
> >> that the problems stem from abuse by western powers and their
> >> toadies (including the House of Saud and Saddam Husayn)
> >
> > Total, unmitigated, crap.
>
> Twenty years ago, the Muslims were your allies in the struggle
> against Innernashunal Kammynism in Afghanistan. Six years ago,
> Muslims were your allies in the struggle against the "evil Serbs" (tm
> applied for).
>
> Now they're your enemies. How did that happen? Who ****ed up?
>
> Can't you see you're being manipulated? No, it's not the Jews, it's
> those right-wing Christian arseholes. And you're their number one
> tool, along with Katra and all the others who buy this rhethoric of
> hatred that only begets more rhethoric of hatred.
>
> They manipulate you because they prey on your fears. In his first
> inaugural speech of March 4, 1933, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said:
>
> "So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing
> we have to fear is fear itself?-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified
> terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into
> advance."
>
> The US government was recently caught with its security pants down,
> admitting that the latest alert was based on 3-year old information.
> there was some bafflegab about recent updates, yadda yadda, but no
> one in their right mind believes a word of it. Are they running out
> of things to frighten you with? What ever will you do when you can
> breathe easily? Toss Bush out of the White House, maybe?
>
> --



Can I give you a big fat kiss?

-L.

Michel Boucher > wrote in message >. ..
> Larry Smith > wrote in
> :
>
> >> How is elaborating a complex plan to eliminate millions of people
> >> being a realist? If you were a realist, you would face the fact
> >> that the problems stem from abuse by western powers and their
> >> toadies (including the House of Saud and Saddam Husayn)
> >
> > Total, unmitigated, crap.
>
> Twenty years ago, the Muslims were your allies in the struggle
> against Innernashunal Kammynism in Afghanistan. Six years ago,
> Muslims were your allies in the struggle against the "evil Serbs" (tm
> applied for).
>
> Now they're your enemies. How did that happen? Who ****ed up?
>
> Can't you see you're being manipulated? No, it's not the Jews, it's
> those right-wing Christian arseholes. And you're their number one
> tool, along with Katra and all the others who buy this rhethoric of
> hatred that only begets more rhethoric of hatred.
>
> They manipulate you because they prey on your fears. In his first
> inaugural speech of March 4, 1933, Franklin Delano Roosevelt said:
>
> "So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing
> we have to fear is fear itself?-nameless, unreasoning, unjustified
> terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into
> advance."
>
> The US government was recently caught with its security pants down,
> admitting that the latest alert was based on 3-year old information.
> there was some bafflegab about recent updates, yadda yadda, but no
> one in their right mind believes a word of it. Are they running out
> of things to frighten you with? What ever will you do when you can
> breathe easily? Toss Bush out of the White House, maybe?
>
> --



Can I give you a big fat kiss?

-L.

Larry Smith writes:

>Michel Boucher wrote:
>> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote

>>>Islam is an *evil*, EVIL religion and therefore *every* single
>>>adherent to Islam is evil simply by dint of association.
>
>> Put Jews instead of Muslims and you have exactly the same discourse
>> being held a hundred years ago by the likes of Édouard Drumont and
>> Henry Ford. Plus çà change plus c'est la même chose.
>
>The big difference is that you don't see Jews flying
>airplanes into crowded office buildings.

Based on my experience they'd be too busy arguing about which route to take to
fly the plane. . .

Marc "No, Manny I'm telling you, right at Pittsburg, left at Newark . . . it's
quicker!"

Larry Smith writes:

>Michel Boucher wrote:
>> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote

>>>Islam is an *evil*, EVIL religion and therefore *every* single
>>>adherent to Islam is evil simply by dint of association.
>
>> Put Jews instead of Muslims and you have exactly the same discourse
>> being held a hundred years ago by the likes of Édouard Drumont and
>> Henry Ford. Plus çà change plus c'est la même chose.
>
>The big difference is that you don't see Jews flying
>airplanes into crowded office buildings.

Based on my experience they'd be too busy arguing about which route to take to
fly the plane. . .

Marc "No, Manny I'm telling you, right at Pittsburg, left at Newark . . . it's
quicker!"

Larry Smith writes:

>Michel Boucher wrote:
>> "Gregory Morrow" > wrote

>>>Islam is an *evil*, EVIL religion and therefore *every* single
>>>adherent to Islam is evil simply by dint of association.
>
>> Put Jews instead of Muslims and you have exactly the same discourse
>> being held a hundred years ago by the likes of Édouard Drumont and
>> Henry Ford. Plus çà change plus c'est la même chose.
>
>The big difference is that you don't see Jews flying
>airplanes into crowded office buildings.

Based on my experience they'd be too busy arguing about which route to take to
fly the plane. . .

Marc "No, Manny I'm telling you, right at Pittsburg, left at Newark . . . it's
quicker!"

Michel Boucher wrote:
> Larry Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>>>How is elaborating a complex plan to eliminate millions of people
>>>being a realist? If you were a realist, you would face the fact
>>>that the problems stem from abuse by western powers and their
>>>toadies (including the House of Saud and Saddam Husayn)
>>
>>Total, unmitigated, crap.
>
> Twenty years ago, the Muslims were your allies [...]
>
> Now they're your enemies. How did that happen? Who ****ed up?

"Muslims" are not the enemy. "Muslims who want to kill
Americans for Allah" are the enemy. Always have been,
always will be. We can discuss what it is about Islam
that seems to generate more enemies, but that is just
academic. I do not believe the US is doing anything to
increase their numbers, it is merely a convenient scape-
goat. Hitler had his Jews, Osama has Americans. As
long as you have someone to demonize, it's easier to
get people to kill themselves for you.

> Can't you see you're being manipulated? No, it's not the Jews, it's
> those right-wing Christian arseholes.

Human beings manipulate each other. The manipulation of
those "right-wing Christian arseholes" is no more
egregious than is that of the left-wing atheist arseholes.
Or Jewish arseholes, or lawyer arseholes, or left-handed
transvestites of color arseholes, or any other kind of
organized arsehole you can name. In fact, every human
being now alive _has_ an arsehole. Think about it.

People are manipulated only when they _want_ to be
manipulated. Americans were scared shitless after
9/11, they want to have all the symbols of security.
And so that's what the gov't gives them. Symbols,
not security. It doesn't matter in the slightest
who is president. The end result is always the same.
Populus vult decipi.

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Larry Smith > wrote in
:

>> Twenty years ago, the Muslims were your allies [...]
>>
>> Now they're your enemies. How did that happen? Who ****ed up?
>
> "Muslims" are not the enemy. "Muslims who want to kill
> Americans for Allah" are the enemy. Always have been,
> always will be.

I wonder how you can distinguish between them. You've already made
it clear you believe that Islam teaches violence. Muslims are
followers of Islam. Therefore, in your mind, they are being taught
violence. So, where do the non-violent Muslims come from?

> I do not believe the US is doing anything to
> increase their numbers, it is merely a convenient scape-
> goat.

But do you believe that the US could be conceived of as a social and
religious irritant in the Middle East?

>> Can't you see you're being manipulated? No, it's not the Jews,
>> it's those right-wing Christian arseholes.
>
> Human beings manipulate each other. The manipulation of
> those "right-wing Christian arseholes" is no more
> egregious than is that of the left-wing atheist arseholes.

Well, at least you admit to being manipulated. It's a start.

> People are manipulated only when they _want_ to be
> manipulated. Americans were scared shitless after
> 9/11, they want to have all the symbols of security.
> And so that's what the gov't gives them. Symbols,
> not security. It doesn't matter in the slightest
> who is president. The end result is always the same.
> Populus vult decipi.

Yes, and Ta zoa trexei...what about it? Just because it can be
thought to be widespread does not justify it. If you don't believe
Muslims are justified in their hatred of you (which I believe is your
basic point and it may be correct, I'm not arguing that), then it
follows that you must believe that hatred of them (or even strong
dislike) is unjustified as well.

Sublata causa, tollitur effectus.

--

Please note that this post contains no overt anti-USAian statements
of any sort, nor is it designed to excite the political passions of
the morally bankrupt right-wing supporters of the emerging fascist
states...unfortunately :-)

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in
message k.net...

<snipped the same old shit, only in english this time>

You could substitute the word 'christian' for 'muslim' and it would be
perfectly valid. Religion is cancer.

However, fear not; americans will eat themselves to death. Watch for the
diabetic holocaust in 7 to 10 years. Atkins my ass.

Jack Oncologicalisthenics

Right on,milk is $4.53 a gallon(2%) here,ridiculous.Beef has gone up
and even Spam is higher.Corn is still $1.99 per doz.I understand it was
a poor year for corn in our area,but it's still much higher than last
year.

And don't forget those greedy American oil companies,you think they
give a damn?

And don't forget those greedy American oil companies,you think they
give a damn?

And don't forget those greedy American oil companies,you think they
give a damn?

(T) wrote in
:

> And don't forget those greedy American oil companies,you think they
> give a damn?

--- Tongue-in-cheek mode...remove all dental prosthetics please ---

Did you just diss the US? You heartless commie *******! Don't you
ever say anything like that against the President again or I'll sick
Wolfie on you!

--- Tongue-in-cheek mode ended...you may return to normal ---

Bwahaha!!!! (evil laugh)

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> > I wonder how you can distinguish between them.
>
> Actually it's very simple. They are the ones
> screaming "Allah Akbar!" whenever an American
> is killed.


How about BEFORE an American is killed?

Michel Boucher wrote:

> (T) wrote in
> :
>
> > And don't forget those greedy American oil companies,you think they
> > give a damn?
>
> --- Tongue-in-cheek mode...remove all dental prosthetics please ---
>
> Did you just diss the US? You heartless commie *******! Don't you
> ever say anything like that against the President again or I'll sick
> Wolfie on you!
>
> --- Tongue-in-cheek mode ended...you may return to normal ---
>
> Bwahaha!!!! (evil laugh)


*lol* ;-D

--
Best
Greg

Michel Boucher wrote:

> (T) wrote in
> :
>
> > And don't forget those greedy American oil companies,you think they
> > give a damn?
>
> --- Tongue-in-cheek mode...remove all dental prosthetics please ---
>
> Did you just diss the US? You heartless commie *******! Don't you
> ever say anything like that against the President again or I'll sick
> Wolfie on you!
>
> --- Tongue-in-cheek mode ended...you may return to normal ---
>
> Bwahaha!!!! (evil laugh)


*lol* ;-D

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Best
Greg

Larry Smith > wrote in
:

>>>"Muslims" are not the enemy. "Muslims who want to kill
>>>Americans for Allah" are the enemy. Always have been,
>>>always will be.
>>
>> I wonder how you can distinguish between them.
>
> Actually it's very simple. They are the ones
> screaming "Allah Akbar!" whenever an American
> is killed.

So, 1.6 billion people are targeted by your crazy notion here, Lar.
As it happens, ALL Muslims say Allah'u'Akhbar (please note correct
spelling), as it is one of the invocations used by the Mullah to call
the faithful to prayer, and as I said, there are 1.6 BILLION of them
worldwide. So what's your plan here? Eliminate almost half the
population of the planet?

>> You've already made
>> it clear you believe that Islam teaches violence. Muslims are
>> followers of Islam. Therefore, in your mind, they are being
>> taught violence. So, where do the non-violent Muslims come from?
>
> Islam, like every other religion, has sects which
> believe different things.

Oh? Please enlighten us and name some. And indicate where they
differ in their views on violence.

(Note to self: This should be good :-) )

> Islam in the US is, by and large, peaceful.

Which Islam? Which "sect(s)" are to be found in the US that are not
to be found in the Middle East? Can you break this down
geographically, for us dummies you understand, because after all your
overweening expertise makes us all look like morons, does it not?

> Thanks to 9/11, the Constitution has been, for all
> intents and purposes, suspended. The US is no longer a
> free country, and soon those other voices - possibly
> including yours or mine - will be stilled by one means
> or another, and we will have unity.

Sorry, I won't be joining you as one of the muffled. I live in
another country where we consider this line of action to be sheer
madness.

>> If you don't
>> believe Muslims are justified in their hatred of you (which I
>> believe is your basic point and it may be correct, I'm not
>> arguing that), then it follows that you must believe that hatred
>> of them (or even strong dislike) is unjustified as well.
>
> I don't hate them. I despise them. There is a difference,
> a big one.

And they despise you. So, you're among friends, people you
understandand who understand you.

At any rate, please remain where you are. I don't want you and your
insane ideas anywhere near healthy living beings.

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Please note that this post contains no overt anti-USAian statements
of any sort, nor is it designed to excite the political passions of
the morally bankrupt right-wing supporters of the emerging fascist
states...unfortunately :-)

Ok.

Ok.

Ok.

Sorry Greg, the farmer is not getting the money. Just looked in the
regional farm newspaper ( Capital Press based in Oregon) and the dairy
farmers are getting $1.15 to $1.25 a gallon. There used to be 20 dairy
farmers in Snohomish County just north of Seattle, now there are 2. Why?
farming is no longer profitable, kids are no longer following in their
parents foot steps. The average age of the family farmer is nearing
retirement age.Those kids that want to farm can no longer afford the
land. Too many environmental laws and urban sprawl are taking care of
that. Unless you have been there , most people do not know that farming
,especially dairy farming can be pretty smelly. City slickers move to
the country and then complain that their neighbors are causing odors or
creating air pollution. Or just inconvenience the city slicker. Well
farming is a 24/7 business. lots of hard work and in many cases now
either the husband or the wife of a farm family work off the land to
help support the farm. Taxes are unbearable, the local government would
like you to divide your land up into 5 acre plots so some one can build
a huge house on it and they can get the revenue, so they tax you like
you have already done so. Locally 10 acres of land sells for $200,000
or more. So, support your local farmer if you can, tell your grocer you
would like local produce. If you would like in depth news of what it is
like to farm in the real world subscribe to the Capital Press or your
local farm newspaper and find out where your food really comes from.

Well, it is time to get down off my soap box, the hubby is sleeping in
this morning. We normally get up at 4AM and yes, he is the one who works
off of our small farm. During the summer he gets home at 3:00PM and puts
in another 5 hours of work. But today we will go to our local hometown
country fair and see what our neighbors kids are doing in 4H and FFA and
enjoy what rural living all about. Then we are off to the stock dog
trials to see real working dogs in action. Nothing is more awesome than
seeing a border collie working a herd of sheep. liz

Sorry Greg, the farmer is not getting the money. Just looked in the
regional farm newspaper ( Capital Press based in Oregon) and the dairy
farmers are getting $1.15 to $1.25 a gallon. There used to be 20 dairy
farmers in Snohomish County just north of Seattle, now there are 2. Why?
farming is no longer profitable, kids are no longer following in their
parents foot steps. The average age of the family farmer is nearing
retirement age.Those kids that want to farm can no longer afford the
land. Too many environmental laws and urban sprawl are taking care of
that. Unless you have been there , most people do not know that farming
,especially dairy farming can be pretty smelly. City slickers move to
the country and then complain that their neighbors are causing odors or
creating air pollution. Or just inconvenience the city slicker. Well
farming is a 24/7 business. lots of hard work and in many cases now
either the husband or the wife of a farm family work off the land to
help support the farm. Taxes are unbearable, the local government would
like you to divide your land up into 5 acre plots so some one can build
a huge house on it and they can get the revenue, so they tax you like
you have already done so. Locally 10 acres of land sells for $200,000
or more. So, support your local farmer if you can, tell your grocer you
would like local produce. If you would like in depth news of what it is
like to farm in the real world subscribe to the Capital Press or your
local farm newspaper and find out where your food really comes from.

Well, it is time to get down off my soap box, the hubby is sleeping in
this morning. We normally get up at 4AM and yes, he is the one who works
off of our small farm. During the summer he gets home at 3:00PM and puts
in another 5 hours of work. But today we will go to our local hometown
country fair and see what our neighbors kids are doing in 4H and FFA and
enjoy what rural living all about. Then we are off to the stock dog
trials to see real working dogs in action. Nothing is more awesome than
seeing a border collie working a herd of sheep. liz

Liz *** wrote:

> Sorry Greg, the farmer is not getting the money. Just looked in the
> regional farm newspaper ( Capital Press based in Oregon) and the dairy
> farmers are getting $1.15 to $1.25 a gallon. There used to be 20 dairy
> farmers in Snohomish County just north of Seattle, now there are 2. Why?
> farming is no longer profitable, kids are no longer following in their
> parents foot steps. The average age of the family farmer is nearing
> retirement age.Those kids that want to farm can no longer afford the
> land. Too many environmental laws and urban sprawl are taking care of
> that. Unless you have been there , most people do not know that farming
> ,especially dairy farming can be pretty smelly. City slickers move to
> the country and then complain that their neighbors are causing odors or
> creating air pollution. Or just inconvenience the city slicker. Well
> farming is a 24/7 business. lots of hard work and in many cases now
> either the husband or the wife of a farm family work off the land to
> help support the farm. Taxes are unbearable, the local government would
> like you to divide your land up into 5 acre plots so some one can build
> a huge house on it and they can get the revenue, so they tax you like
> you have already done so. Locally 10 acres of land sells for $200,000
> or more. So, support your local farmer if you can, tell your grocer you
> would like local produce. If you would like in depth news of what it is
> like to farm in the real world subscribe to the Capital Press or your
> local farm newspaper and find out where your food really comes from.


I agree with all your points. I come from Western Illinois, where farmers
have taken a real beating in the last 20 or so years (in fact my dad had to
give up the farm in *1959*, working at J I Case or other farm implement
makers offered a better way of life for us; at one time our prosperous
extended family seemingly owned half the county...now there are not any
Morrow farmers left in the county..it's the same with other formerly
"prominent" families....). Used to be a lot of smaller farms that could
support a family, it's not so today. The area where I grew up is now fairly
poor and the population is declining. Young folks cannot afford to go into
farming (unless the family is rich). The middleman is making the money, not
the farmers for the most part....

Dairy farming was such a financial black hole that in the past year of so a
lot of dairy farmers simply gave up in protest, which is why milk and cheese
and such is so sky - high in price...

Adjusted for inflation, farmers in some cases are getting *less* per bushel
or acre or gallon or whatever than they were in the Depression.....

It is a sad reflection on rural life, but it's part of an overall greater
pattern in rural America - unless you are relatively well - connected you
just can't make a decent living (BUT WAIT! - that's true of the US in
general now, isn't it...!!!???)


> Well, it is time to get down off my soap box, the hubby is sleeping in
> this morning. We normally get up at 4AM and yes, he is the one who works
> off of our small farm. During the summer he gets home at 3:00PM and puts
> in another 5 hours of work. But today we will go to our local hometown
> country fair and see what our neighbors kids are doing in 4H and FFA and
> enjoy what rural living all about. Then we are off to the stock dog
> trials to see real working dogs in action. Nothing is more awesome than
> seeing a border collie working a herd of sheep. liz


County fairs are fun. And yeah, farming is HARD, HARD and backbreaking
work. How many times did the sows decide to give birth on a bitter cold New
Year's Eve when we just wanted ONE night to celebrate...Oy!

--
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Michel Boucher wrote:
> Larry Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>>>"Muslims" are not the enemy. "Muslims who want to kill
>>>>Americans for Allah" are the enemy. Always have been,
>>>>always will be.
>>>
>>>I wonder how you can distinguish between them.
>>
>>Actually it's very simple. They are the ones
>>screaming "Allah Akbar!" whenever an American
>>is killed.
>
> So, 1.6 billion people are targeted by your crazy notion here, Lar.

So you're saying 1.6 billion muslims want to kill
Americans? Well, that seems pretty extreme to me.
Or are you going to try a reductio ad absurdam and
try to claim _I_ referred to the entire muslim
population of the world?

> As it happens, ALL Muslims say Allah'u'Akhbar (please note correct
> spelling), as it is one of the invocations used by the Mullah to call
> the faithful to prayer, and as I said, there are 1.6 BILLION of them
> worldwide. So what's your plan here? Eliminate almost half the
> population of the planet?

Ah, I see. Can't read very well. Don't go for
the zinger unless there is one there to be had.

As for the world's population of muslims, well,
if they can't learn to share it peacefully, yes.
However, I don't think we'll need to go to that
extreme. On the other hand, neither can we ignore
the problem and hope it goes away.

>>Islam, like every other religion, has sects which
>>believe different things.
>
> Oh? Please enlighten us and name some. And indicate where they
> differ in their views on violence.
>
> (Note to self: This should be good :-) )
>
>
>>Islam in the US is, by and large, peaceful.
>
>
> Which Islam? Which "sect(s)" are to be found in the US that are not
> to be found in the Middle East? Can you break this down
> geographically, for us dummies you understand, because after all your
> overweening expertise makes us all look like morons, does it not?

No, I think, just you.

>>I don't hate them. I despise them. There is a difference,
>>a big one.
>
> And they despise you. So, you're among friends, people you
> understandand who understand you.

No. They wish to kill me. That's an even bigger difference.

But I wouldn't expect you to follow a leap of logic like
that. Your normal abilities seem to run the gamut from
'A' to 'B'.

> At any rate, please remain where you are. I don't want you and your
> insane ideas anywhere near healthy living beings.

Not only stupid but obnoxious, too.

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Michel Boucher wrote:
> Larry Smith > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>>>"Muslims" are not the enemy. "Muslims who want to kill
>>>>Americans for Allah" are the enemy. Always have been,
>>>>always will be.
>>>
>>>I wonder how you can distinguish between them.
>>
>>Actually it's very simple. They are the ones
>>screaming "Allah Akbar!" whenever an American
>>is killed.
>
> So, 1.6 billion people are targeted by your crazy notion here, Lar.

So you're saying 1.6 billion muslims want to kill
Americans? Well, that seems pretty extreme to me.
Or are you going to try a reductio ad absurdam and
try to claim _I_ referred to the entire muslim
population of the world?

> As it happens, ALL Muslims say Allah'u'Akhbar (please note correct
> spelling), as it is one of the invocations used by the Mullah to call
> the faithful to prayer, and as I said, there are 1.6 BILLION of them
> worldwide. So what's your plan here? Eliminate almost half the
> population of the planet?

Ah, I see. Can't read very well. Don't go for
the zinger unless there is one there to be had.

As for the world's population of muslims, well,
if they can't learn to share it peacefully, yes.
However, I don't think we'll need to go to that
extreme. On the other hand, neither can we ignore
the problem and hope it goes away.

>>Islam, like every other religion, has sects which
>>believe different things.
>
> Oh? Please enlighten us and name some. And indicate where they
> differ in their views on violence.
>
> (Note to self: This should be good :-) )
>
>
>>Islam in the US is, by and large, peaceful.
>
>
> Which Islam? Which "sect(s)" are to be found in the US that are not
> to be found in the Middle East? Can you break this down
> geographically, for us dummies you understand, because after all your
> overweening expertise makes us all look like morons, does it not?

No, I think, just you.

>>I don't hate them. I despise them. There is a difference,
>>a big one.
>
> And they despise you. So, you're among friends, people you
> understandand who understand you.

No. They wish to kill me. That's an even bigger difference.

But I wouldn't expect you to follow a leap of logic like
that. Your normal abilities seem to run the gamut from
'A' to 'B'.

> At any rate, please remain where you are. I don't want you and your
> insane ideas anywhere near healthy living beings.

Not only stupid but obnoxious, too.

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Liz *** wrote:
> Those kids that want to farm can no longer afford the land.

The inheritance taxes are primarily responsible for
ending family businesses like dairy farms. Since most
dairy farms are worth much more broken up into building
lots than they are as farms their land value rises into
the stratosphere. When they exceed the death-tax level,
which most of them already have, then a huge sum is due
and payable to the gov't when Mom and Dad kick off. That
sum is so large that no one I've heard of wishing to con-
tinue to farm was able to afford it, and one-by-one the
family farms are busted up and sold for building lots,
as inevitable as gravity, in order to pay the gov't for
the privilege of dying.

But, hey, when you're out to soak the rich you need to
expect some collateral damage. Perhaps it would be a
nicer world if the Democrats could stop to think who
the "rich" they target really are and how little money
they may actually have. They are so busy trying to
screw Bill Gates and Donald Trump they no longer even
think about who else they might be trampling in the
process.

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