First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply is
safe and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the problem
in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
confused so someone enlighten me please.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:04:53 GMT, "Minnime" >
wrote:

>First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply is
>safe and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
>stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
>hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the problem
>in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
>confused so someone enlighten me please.

Yet another Mad Cow thread.

There's plenty of information out there on the internet to supply you
with more than enough reading for a night. Look up "mad cow AMR
spinal tissue" in Google News.

-sw

"Minnime" > wrote in message nk.net>...
> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply is
> safe and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the problem
> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
> confused so someone enlighten me please.

Mad cow is also found in the intestines. It's thought that the Brits
got it from eating sausages made with casings made from cow intestines.
Ironicallly, they were probably pork sausages...

The first cut on a beef carcass is to split it in halves by a band saw,
exposing the spinal cord. Actually the cut splits the animal in half down
the spine.

Did you ever notice that fatty substance in the little round notch in the
bone of a T Bone steak??
We like to refer to it as marrow (not). It is actually SPINAL CORD.


Minnime > wrote in message
news
> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply
is
> safe and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
problem
> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
> confused so someone enlighten me please.
>
>




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On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 22:27:13 -0800, "Diggery Dew"
> wrote:

>Did you ever notice that fatty substance in the little round notch in the
>bone of a T Bone steak??
>We like to refer to it as marrow (not). It is actually SPINAL CORD.

That complete bullshit.

I like how everyone suddenly becomes an expert on Mad Cow. This is
why you shouldn't beleive or trust anything you read on Usenet.

Responsible people are wise enough to rely on credible sources
instead, which is why I suggested the OP go and search the net, rather
than relying on rumores and the recent wave of misinformation on the
subject.

-sw




>
>Minnime > wrote in message
>news
>> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply
>is
>> safe and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
>> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
>> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
>problem
>> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
>> confused so someone enlighten me please.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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Read this article, and you think the meat supply is safe???

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRe...d=104-12242003


Minnime > wrote in message
news
> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply
is
> safe and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
problem
> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
> confused so someone enlighten me please.
>
>




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"Minnime" > wrote in message nk.net>...
> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply is
> safe

First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
"Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.

>and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the problem
> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
> confused so someone enlighten me please.

Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
understand the real concern.

-L.

"Minnime" > wrote in message nk.net>...
Was the problem
> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
> confused so someone enlighten me please.

Go to any real Mexican taco place and you'll see cabeza on the menu.
Cabeza means head in Spanish, but in this case it's the polite way to
say brain. What is disgusting to one culture is a delicacy in another.
(I don't care how clean the meat supply is or isn't, that seems like
pushing the gambling envelope just a bit.)

Ken

On 26 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0800, (-L.) wrote:

>"Minnime" > wrote in message nk.net>...
>> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply is
>> safe
>
>First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
>"Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
>regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
>the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.
>
>>and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
>> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
>> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the problem
>> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
>> confused so someone enlighten me please.
>
>Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
>problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
>high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
>spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
>understand the real concern.
>
>-L.


I have read Fast Food Nation.. the problem with this tome is. it is
very full of unproven examples and is in fact an attack on the food
industry as a whole.. Peta's Ra Ra book so to speak.

But the Slaughterhouse book is a bit more interesting.

I disagree with the Dregulation statement though.. I mean if this is
indeed the problem.. then why was it not "fixed" under the Clinton
administration.. Sounds very much like pointing fingures to me..

Concerned.. Of course I am concerned.. I mean you have ONE example of
Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada.. But for the last four years you
have deer population also contracting Chronic Wasting Disease which is
somewhat simular..

Kit

"Kitanis" > wrote in message
...
> On 26 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
>
> >"Minnime" > wrote in message
nk.net>...
> >> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef
supply is
> >> safe
> >
> >First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
> >"Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
> >regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
> >the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.
> >
> >>and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> >> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> >> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
problem
> >> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord?
Very
> >> confused so someone enlighten me please.
> >
> >Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
> >problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
> >high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
> >spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
> >understand the real concern.
> >
> >-L.
>
>
> I have read Fast Food Nation.. the problem with this tome is. it is
> very full of unproven examples and is in fact an attack on the food
> industry as a whole.. Peta's Ra Ra book so to speak.
>
> But the Slaughterhouse book is a bit more interesting.
>
> I disagree with the Dregulation statement though.. I mean if this is
> indeed the problem.. then why was it not "fixed" under the Clinton
> administration.. Sounds very much like pointing fingures to me..
>
> Concerned.. Of course I am concerned.. I mean you have ONE example of
> Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada.. But for the last four years you
> have deer population also contracting Chronic Wasting Disease which is
> somewhat simular..

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/25/national/25WARN.html

The magnitude of the problem has yet to be comprehended. The problem with
BSE is it is not a "disease" in the sense of how we view and treat
illnesses. Making the meat supply safe (again) will take years and cause
much political upheaval as it did once before. We just never learn.

Paul

"Paul M. Cook©®" > wrote in message
...
>
> The magnitude of the problem has yet to be comprehended. The problem with
> BSE is it is not a "disease" in the sense of how we view and treat
> illnesses. Making the meat supply safe (again) will take years and cause
> much political upheaval as it did once before. We just never learn.
>

As long as americans prefer quantity over quality and support 'corporations
über alles', we'll continue to be offered shit at a cheap price. I don't
see any reason to panic over one case of mad cow, but it's a good reason to
pause for thought.

You reap what you sow.

Jack WalMart

"Minnime" > writes:

> I have read that
>hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the problem
>in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
>confused so someone enlighten me please.

The answer to "can you get disease from eating steak" is yes.

From UPI, 12/24:
"Infectious prions, thought to be the causative agent
of mad cow and vCJD, are not found in muscle tissue that comprises
hamburgers and steaks, he said. They are generally located in brain
and spinal cord tissue.
However, recent studies have suggested prions may occur, albeit in
smaller numbers, in muscle tissue, and bits of brain and spinal cord
tissue have been detected in hamburger meat."

The probability is extremely low, but not impossible.

I liken it to the old salmonella-in-eggs debate. CAN we contract salmonella
from eggs? Of course. But the likelihood that an egg might contain salmonella
is extremely small €“ 0.005% (five one-thousandths of one percent). At this
rate, if youre an average consumer, you might encounter a contaminated egg
once every 84 years.

The fatality rate for salmonella is much less than one percent of those who
might contract it. It is the very young, the very old, and the very
immunocompromised that are at risk for death.

Same for BSE. As of December 1, 2003, a total of 153 cases had been reported
worldwide; of these, 143 cases had occurred in the United Kingdom. The average
annual death rate in the United States has remained relatively stable at about
one case per million population per year.

Until the time when the entire supply of US beef is considered suspect, I plan
on eating the same roasts, ribs, and steaks I always have. I will, though,
probably grind my own hamburger if/when the problem becomes more widespread.
(Easily done even in a food processer if nothing else.) Many people grind their
own already against the risk of e. coli bacteria - and to guard against any
mystery ingredients being thrown in. (G)





Connie
************************************************** ***
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.

Kitanis > wrote in message >. ..
> On 26 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
>
> >"Minnime" > wrote in message nk.net>...
> >> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef supply is
> >> safe
> >
> >First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
> >"Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
> >regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
> >the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.
> >
> >>and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> >> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> >> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the problem
> >> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
> >> confused so someone enlighten me please.
> >
> >Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
> >problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
> >high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
> >spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
> >understand the real concern.
> >
> >-L.
>
>
> I have read Fast Food Nation.. the problem with this tome is. it is
> very full of unproven examples

Unproven examples such as what? - The lists of names of people who
have died from contaminated food or testimonials from their families,
and the first-hand accounts of workers maimed in the slaughterhouses,
or the stories of the small-scale rancers put out of business by large
corporations and factory farms? The boojk has literally about 50
pages of documentation and references. It is a very well-researched
book.


>and is in fact an attack on the food
> industry as a whole.. Peta's Ra Ra book so to speak.

The author Eric Schlosser has no connection to PeTA or any other
animal welfare or animal rights group, so I guess you are completely
off-base.


>
> But the Slaughterhouse book is a bit more interesting.

You obviously haven't read either book. Gail Eisnitz is associated
with the Humane Farming Association, and her book is much less
well-documented, and more of a "one person" account of the
slaughterhouse business.

>
> I disagree with the Dregulation statement though.. I mean if this is
> indeed the problem.. then why was it not "fixed" under the Clinton
> administration..

They tried to "fix it" and most of what was changed was then
relegislated once he was out of office. Read FFN again. It discusses
this.



Sounds very much like pointing fingures to me..

Well, they deserve to have fingers pointed at them. The incidence of
meat-borne food poisioning skyrocketed after line speeds increased,
the regulations pertaining to contaminated meat (and the
decontamination of same) essentially became non-existent, and the food
supply became a cess-pool. If you think the meat supply is wholesome
in this country, by all means, continue to eat it. AFAIC, it's
natural sleection in action.

>
> Concerned.. Of course I am concerned.. I mean you have ONE example of
> Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada..

One documented. How many other cows have slipped though undetected?

>But for the last four years you
> have deer population also contracting Chronic Wasting Disease which is
> somewhat simular..

Deer are not a farmed meat animal, for the most part, so that is a
non-issue.

-L.

Ken wrote:
>
> "Minnime" > wrote in message nk.net>...
> Was the problem
> > in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
> > confused so someone enlighten me please.
>
> Go to any real Mexican taco place and you'll see cabeza on the menu.
> Cabeza means head in Spanish, but in this case it's the polite way to
> say brain. What is disgusting to one culture is a delicacy in another.
> (I don't care how clean the meat supply is or isn't, that seems like
> pushing the gambling envelope just a bit.)
>
> Ken


Anyone who has eaten hamburger in any form in the US has eaten brain and
spinal cord. The removal of such material is hardly surgically precise.

Paul M. Cook©® > wrote:
>The magnitude of the problem has yet to be comprehended. The problem with
>BSE is it is not a "disease" in the sense of how we view and treat
>illnesses. Making the meat supply safe (again) will take years and cause
>much political upheaval as it did once before. We just never learn.

I disagree. It is very easy to stop. Keep the stalls
clean and don't feed animal matter to cows. They're not
designed to eat the stuff in the first place, and it
affects the flavor adversely in the second. But it's a
way to improve profits, so the Right will insist that it
can't possibly be a bad thing.

--Blair
"The political upheaval I'll go with."

Ken > wrote:
>"Minnime" > wrote in message
ink.net>...
> Was the problem
>> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord? Very
>> confused so someone enlighten me please.
>
>Go to any real Mexican taco place and you'll see cabeza on the menu.
>Cabeza means head in Spanish, but in this case it's the polite way to
>say brain.

No, it's literally "head". Whole cow head, skinned,
with the tongue, eyes, and ears removed, it's cooked in a
barbacoa pit for 12-18 hours and then pulled like pork.
It's mostly cheek.

In taquerias, asking for cabeza gets you cheek meat.
The logistical failings of slow-cooking whole cow heads
to sell a few tacos a week are pretty obvious.

I couldn't say that the brain is never eaten as part of
a whole cabeza at a fiesta, though, but even Mexicans
would look at you funny if you asked for it.

--Blair
"Taco Schidt."

On 12/26/2003 6:25 PM, in article ,
"Blair P. Houghton" > opined:

> Paul M. Cook©® > wrote:
>> The magnitude of the problem has yet to be comprehended. The problem with
>> BSE is it is not a "disease" in the sense of how we view and treat
>> illnesses. Making the meat supply safe (again) will take years and cause
>> much political upheaval as it did once before. We just never learn.
>
> I disagree. It is very easy to stop. Keep the stalls
> clean and don't feed animal matter to cows. They're not
> designed to eat the stuff in the first place, and it
> affects the flavor adversely in the second.

Shut up asswipe, you don't know jack shit about beef.

Washington State borders canada, I'm sure it will be traced there.

But it's a
> way to improve profits, so the Right will insist that it
> can't possibly be a bad thing.

So why is the *left* getting their asses kicked in every election?

Let's see:
Clinton
Gore
Sharpton
Dean
Davis
Daschel

Ho ho ho, hee, hee, hee, u one funny Monkey Boy Blair.


>
> --Blair
> "The political upheaval I'll go with."

--

I read Fast Food Nation and I didnt find it to be an attack on the food
industry. I thought it was factual and to the point. Seeing how immigrant
slaughterhouse employees are treated disgusted me more than the sanitary
conditions.

"Kitanis" > wrote in message
...
> On 26 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
>
> >"Minnime" > wrote in message
nk.net>...
> >> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef
supply is
> >> safe
> >
> >First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
> >"Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
> >regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
> >the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.
> >
> >>and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> >> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> >> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
problem
> >> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord?
Very
> >> confused so someone enlighten me please.
> >
> >Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
> >problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
> >high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
> >spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
> >understand the real concern.
> >
> >-L.
>
>
> I have read Fast Food Nation.. the problem with this tome is. it is
> very full of unproven examples and is in fact an attack on the food
> industry as a whole.. Peta's Ra Ra book so to speak.
>
> But the Slaughterhouse book is a bit more interesting.
>
> I disagree with the Dregulation statement though.. I mean if this is
> indeed the problem.. then why was it not "fixed" under the Clinton
> administration.. Sounds very much like pointing fingures to me..
>
> Concerned.. Of course I am concerned.. I mean you have ONE example of
> Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada.. But for the last four years you
> have deer population also contracting Chronic Wasting Disease which is
> somewhat simular..
>
> Kit

On 12/26/2003 8:00 PM, in article
t, "Minnime"
> opined:

> I read Fast Food Nation and I didnt find it to be an attack on the food
> industry. I thought it was factual and to the point. Seeing how immigrant
> slaughterhouse employees are treated disgusted me more than the sanitary
> conditions.

Why'd you leave out the word "illegal?"

>
> "Kitanis" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 26 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
>>
>>> "Minnime" > wrote in message
> nk.net>...
>>>> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef
> supply is
>>>> safe
>>>
>>> First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
>>> "Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
>>> regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
>>> the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.
>>>
>>>> and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
>>>> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
>>>> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
> problem
>>>> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord?
> Very
>>>> confused so someone enlighten me please.
>>>
>>> Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
>>> problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
>>> high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
>>> spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
>>> understand the real concern.
>>>
>>> -L.
>>
>>
>> I have read Fast Food Nation.. the problem with this tome is. it is
>> very full of unproven examples and is in fact an attack on the food
>> industry as a whole.. Peta's Ra Ra book so to speak.
>>
>> But the Slaughterhouse book is a bit more interesting.
>>
>> I disagree with the Dregulation statement though.. I mean if this is
>> indeed the problem.. then why was it not "fixed" under the Clinton
>> administration.. Sounds very much like pointing fingures to me..
>>
>> Concerned.. Of course I am concerned.. I mean you have ONE example of
>> Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada.. But for the last four years you
>> have deer population also contracting Chronic Wasting Disease which is
>> somewhat simular..
>>
>> Kit
>
>

--
================================================== ======
"Michael, we're bigger than U. S. Steel," Hyman Roth.
================================================== ======

illegal or legal---no human being deserves to be treated to the conditions
and abuse the face. shit these people are only trying to feed their family,
yet when they get an injury that keeps the out of work they have no medical
and risk being fired, etc.

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/26/2003 8:00 PM, in article
> t, "Minnime"
> > opined:
>
> > I read Fast Food Nation and I didnt find it to be an attack on the food
> > industry. I thought it was factual and to the point. Seeing how
immigrant
> > slaughterhouse employees are treated disgusted me more than the sanitary
> > conditions.
>
> Why'd you leave out the word "illegal?"
>
> >
> > "Kitanis" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On 26 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Minnime" > wrote in message
> > nk.net>...
> >>>> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef
> > supply is
> >>>> safe
> >>>
> >>> First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
> >>> "Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
> >>> regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
> >>> the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.
> >>>
> >>>> and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
> >>>> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
> >>>> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
> > problem
> >>>> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord?
> > Very
> >>>> confused so someone enlighten me please.
> >>>
> >>> Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
> >>> problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
> >>> high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
> >>> spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
> >>> understand the real concern.
> >>>
> >>> -L.
> >>
> >>
> >> I have read Fast Food Nation.. the problem with this tome is. it is
> >> very full of unproven examples and is in fact an attack on the food
> >> industry as a whole.. Peta's Ra Ra book so to speak.
> >>
> >> But the Slaughterhouse book is a bit more interesting.
> >>
> >> I disagree with the Dregulation statement though.. I mean if this is
> >> indeed the problem.. then why was it not "fixed" under the Clinton
> >> administration.. Sounds very much like pointing fingures to me..
> >>
> >> Concerned.. Of course I am concerned.. I mean you have ONE example of
> >> Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada.. But for the last four years you
> >> have deer population also contracting Chronic Wasting Disease which is
> >> somewhat simular..
> >>
> >> Kit
> >
> >
>
> --
> ================================================== ======
> "Michael, we're bigger than U. S. Steel," Hyman Roth.
> ================================================== ======
>

"it was the animals that had all the yucky stuff mixed with their feed
, so in turn yes ,people were eating it but only second hand and
unknowingly.as for the steak every cut/piece of the meat gets
contaminated. the store shelves were empty of all things beef even
down to beef stock cubes or anything that is a derivative of beef
extract.and yes i would be worried if i were you. in situations like
this there is rarely such a thing as an isolated case, there will be
more unfortunately.

"Minnime" > wrote in message ink.net>...
> illegal or legal---no human being deserves to be treated to the conditions
> and abuse the face. shit these people are only trying to feed their family,
> yet when they get an injury that keeps the out of work they have no medical
> and risk being fired, etc.

I think he was trolling you. The sad part is, it is because many are
illegal, or poor, or don't speak English (or all three) that they will
put up with the abuse and injuries. Things haven't really changed all
that much since Sinclair wrote The Jungle - or, in fact, they have
reverted to the conditions similar to what occurred back then.

-L.

paula > wrote in message
m...
> "it was the animals that had all the yucky stuff mixed with their feed
> , so in turn yes ,people were eating it but only second hand and
> unknowingly.as for the steak every cut/piece of the meat gets
> contaminated. the store shelves were empty of all things beef even
> down to beef stock cubes or anything that is a derivative of beef
> extract.and yes i would be worried if i were you. in situations like
> this there is rarely such a thing as an isolated case, there will be
> more unfortunately.

And some things not obviously beef related - and more likely to have spinal
cord fluid - are still on the shelves. Can you say gummi bears? Jello?
Gelatin??

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

Just found out today that many yogurts have gelatin, which is a meat product
(my vegetarian sister is staying with me). 2 out of 3 of the yogurt brands
in my fridge had it.

Janet

"JonquilJan" > wrote in message
. ..
> paula > wrote in message
> m...
> > "it was the animals that had all the yucky stuff mixed with their feed
> > , so in turn yes ,people were eating it but only second hand and
> > unknowingly.as for the steak every cut/piece of the meat gets
> > contaminated. the store shelves were empty of all things beef even
> > down to beef stock cubes or anything that is a derivative of beef
> > extract.and yes i would be worried if i were you. in situations like
> > this there is rarely such a thing as an isolated case, there will be
> > more unfortunately.
>
> And some things not obviously beef related - and more likely to have
spinal
> cord fluid - are still on the shelves. Can you say gummi bears? Jello?
> Gelatin??
>
> JonquilJan
>
> Learn something new every day
> As long as you are learning, you are living
> When you stop learning, you start dying
>
>

On 12/27/2003 10:43 AM, in article
t, "Minnime"
> opined:

> illegal or legal---no human being deserves to be treated to the conditions
> and abuse the face.



If they didn't break the law they wouldn't face abuse.

Action/Consequence

It's not America's fault Mexico is the filthiest most corrupt country on the
planet? Is it?

shit these people are only trying to feed their family,
> yet when they get an injury that keeps the out of work they have no medical
> and risk being fired, etc.
>
> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 12/26/2003 8:00 PM, in article
>> t, "Minnime"
>> > opined:
>>
>>> I read Fast Food Nation and I didnt find it to be an attack on the food
>>> industry. I thought it was factual and to the point. Seeing how
> immigrant
>>> slaughterhouse employees are treated disgusted me more than the sanitary
>>> conditions.
>>
>> Why'd you leave out the word "illegal?"
>>
>>>
>>> "Kitanis" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On 26 Dec 2003 01:48:34 -0800, (-L.) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Minnime" > wrote in message
>>> nk.net>...
>>>>>> First of all I am not panicing, nor worrying. I think the US beef
>>> supply is
>>>>>> safe
>>>>>
>>>>> First: two books you need to read: "Fast Food Nation" and
>>>>> "Slaughterhouse". Deregulation and unscrupulous appointments to the
>>>>> regulatory commissions under the Reagan/Bush regimes totally ruined
>>>>> the "wholesomeness" of the US meat industry.
>>>>>
>>>>>> and this was an isolated incident. However I am reading conflicting
>>>>>> stories on how Mad Cow can be transferred to humans. I have read that
>>>>>> hamburger could be suspect, yet steak is not. Muscle is not. Was the
>>> problem
>>>>>> in britain that people were eating(yuck) the brain and spinal cord?
>>> Very
>>>>>> confused so someone enlighten me please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any meat that is contaminated with infected tissue could cause a
>>>>> problem. When you understand the process of slaughtering, and the
>>>>> high incidence of contamination - with not only bodily fluids (e.g.
>>>>> spinal fluid) but feces, blood and other tissues - you may better
>>>>> understand the real concern.
>>>>>
>>>>> -L.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have read Fast Food Nation.. the problem with this tome is. it is
>>>> very full of unproven examples and is in fact an attack on the food
>>>> industry as a whole.. Peta's Ra Ra book so to speak.
>>>>
>>>> But the Slaughterhouse book is a bit more interesting.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree with the Dregulation statement though.. I mean if this is
>>>> indeed the problem.. then why was it not "fixed" under the Clinton
>>>> administration.. Sounds very much like pointing fingures to me..
>>>>
>>>> Concerned.. Of course I am concerned.. I mean you have ONE example of
>>>> Mad Cow Disease in the US and Canada.. But for the last four years you
>>>> have deer population also contracting Chronic Wasting Disease which is
>>>> somewhat simular..
>>>>
>>>> Kit
>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>
>

--
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man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit
belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by
dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short
again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming,
but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends
himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph
of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails
while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and
timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat," Theodore Roosevelt.

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"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...

>
> If they didn't break the law they wouldn't face abuse.

That is horseshit. Poor, uneducated, LEGAL, workers get abused in that
industry as well. It is just if you are illegal they have something more to
hang over their heads.

> Action/Consequence
>
> It's not America's fault Mexico is the filthiest most corrupt country on
the
> planet? Is it?

What is your point here?

On 12/27/2003 8:10 PM, in article
, "Minnime"
> opined:

>
> "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> If they didn't break the law they wouldn't face abuse.
>
> That is horseshit. Poor, uneducated, LEGAL, workers get abused in that
> industry as well. It is just if you are illegal they have something more to
> hang over their heads.
>
>> Action/Consequence
>>
>> It's not America's fault Mexico is the filthiest most corrupt country on
> the
>> planet? Is it?
>
> What is your point here?
>
>

My point is criminals do NOT have rights.

Do I need to break it down further or do you understand?
--
================================================== ======================
Jules of "Pulp Fiction" fame:


There's a passage I got memorized, seems appropriate for this situation:
Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the
inequities of the selfish and tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the
name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of
darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and finder of lost children.
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger
those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. AND YOU WILL KNOW MY
NAME IS THE LORD WHEN I LAY BY VENGEANCE UP0N YOU!"
================================================== =======================

JonquilJan wrote:
>
> paula > wrote in message
> m...
> > "it was the animals that had all the yucky stuff mixed with their feed
> > , so in turn yes ,people were eating it but only second hand and
> > unknowingly.as for the steak every cut/piece of the meat gets
> > contaminated. the store shelves were empty of all things beef even
> > down to beef stock cubes or anything that is a derivative of beef
> > extract.and yes i would be worried if i were you. in situations like
> > this there is rarely such a thing as an isolated case, there will be
> > more unfortunately.
>
> And some things not obviously beef related - and more likely to have spinal
> cord fluid - are still on the shelves. Can you say gummi bears? Jello?
> Gelatin??
>
> JonquilJan


Gelatin isn't made from spinal cord fluid. What a strange notion.

Yes please break it down further---I would love to hear your logic on why it
is alright for illegal immigrants to be abused, taken advantage of, etc.

"The Wolf" > wrote in message
...
> On 12/27/2003 8:10 PM, in article
> , "Minnime"
> > opined:
>
> >
> > "The Wolf" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>
> >> If they didn't break the law they wouldn't face abuse.
> >
> > That is horseshit. Poor, uneducated, LEGAL, workers get abused in that
> > industry as well. It is just if you are illegal they have something more
to
> > hang over their heads.
> >
> >> Action/Consequence
> >>
> >> It's not America's fault Mexico is the filthiest most corrupt country
on
> > the
> >> planet? Is it?
> >
> > What is your point here?
> >
> >
>
> My point is criminals do NOT have rights.
>
> Do I need to break it down further or do you understand?
> --
> ================================================== ======================
> Jules of "Pulp Fiction" fame:
>
>
> There's a passage I got memorized, seems appropriate for this situation:
> Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the
> inequities of the selfish and tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in
the
> name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of
> darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and finder of lost
children.
> And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger
> those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. AND YOU WILL KNOW MY
> NAME IS THE LORD WHEN I LAY BY VENGEANCE UP0N YOU!"
> ================================================== =======================
>