Mark Thorson > wrote:
>In my experience, Resse's Peanut Butter Cups are beloved
>as trap bait by both rats and mice.

I'd use peanut butter, but it would get messy, as the trap
is just a 1x1x4 box, and after the first capture I'd have
Thai basted mouse and trap. Then I'd have to wash them
so I could attract the next mouse to the back of the trap.

If I was using traditional spring traps, I'd probably
have turned to PB by now, as Stilton is crumbly and likely
easy for these little eggheads to snatch without applying
any downward force.

But I'd have to buy PB. And the smallest jar of PB,
even on sale, is $2.29 this week at Safeway, while two
spring traps are 98 cents, and I have way too much spare
Stilton rind.

>Unfortunately, squirrels seem not to care for them a bit.
>Still working on that squirrel in my attic.

Squirrels probably like a nice pecorino-romano....

--Blair
"Better hope he's not one of those
Limburger freaks."

COTTP > wrote:
>In article .net>,
says...
>
>> I had a mouse. I saw it on Friday and told the Handyman to come and do
>> something. He put out several glue traps and the next day, yesterday, I
>> found its corpse.
>
>Mice very rarely come in onesies.

History: Had a mouse here about two years ago. He left
of his own accord, after doing about the same sorts of
things to the kitchen that this is (these are) doing.

He was tan. This/these are gray.

--Blair
"I was hoping for black."

Blair P. Houghton > wrote in message >.. .
> I had a mouse.
>
> He was living in my kitchen for a week or so.
>
> I got some great no-kill traps from Home Depot. Small gray
> plastic boxes with a gravity lid that stays open while the
> trap is tilted forward, but slips shut once it tilts back.
>
> Exactly these:
>
> http://doitbest.com/shop/product.asp...386&sku=769878

Cute story. Thanks for having enough compassion to use the
Have-A-Heart traps. Really no need to kill the little buggers -
relocation works well.

Also, next time, peanut butter works wonders.

-L.

wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>> Margaret Suran wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>>> In article >, Blair P.
>>>>> Houghton > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I had a mouse.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (hilarious story snipped)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> My daughter just had a baby. The cat took a liking for the crib when
>>> the baby was not there. After having to wash the crib linens once
>>> too many times we did just what I described. No more cat problems.
>>>
>>> Bert
>>
>> Why not simply close the door? No need to scare the poor cat to
>> death. The child will outgrow the crib eventually. You're going to
>> make the cat terrified to even go into the room with the kid.
>>
>> Jill
>
> The cat is very fast and will outrun anyone to get to a barely open
> door. My daughter has to keep the door open to hear the baby (he is
> less than two months old) who is in an on-demand breast feeding
> schedule. It is best to train the cat.
>
> The cat, by the way, is an outside cat. She goes in and out whenever
> the outside doors get open. She does not get terrified easily at
> almost anything.
>
> Bert

Uh huh. You or your daughter ever heard of a baby monitor? I won't even
speak to the "on demand" thing.

It is downright cruel to use mouse traps to scare the living daylights out
of the cat, not to mention the fact that it might, in its curiosity, get one
of its paws snapped shut in it. Geezlepeets. It's not like... oh wait...
are you one of those people who believe cats suck the breath out of babies?!

Jill

In article >,
Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> Katra > wrote:
> >Try bacon rind...
> >That always worked on the mice up at the mountain cabin. :-)
>
> Nope. I'm sticking with Stilton.
>
> HE CAME BACK!
>
> Or his little sister did.
>
> Shoulda known.
>
> I heard and saw one on the kitchen counter tonight.
>
> Set the traps out with a fingernail of stilton in each,
> and about an hour later--clack! Rattlerattle...
>
> He's so owned.
>
> I dropped him out past the back fence again, this time with
> a flashlight so I could see him split for the culvert.
>
> Tomorrow I'm definitely getting a proper coverplate for the broken
> cleanout on the outside of the kitchen wall. I'm pretty sure that's
> their ingress.
>
> --Blair
> "Anyone rented Mouse Hunt lately?"

I'm actually impressed that you are live trapping... ;-)

I tried that with the rats in the chicken yard and it got way out of
hand as rats are so smart, they seem to learn about the others getting
trapped so stopped going into the box traps.

I had to resort to careful poisoning. :-(

The carcass count stopped at 48...... <sigh>

I'm just glad that they never got into the house, even tho' I have
several hunter/killer cats. Rats ate eggs and killed and ate young
pigeons.

Nasty creatures <shudder>

Watch out tho', mice can carry Hanta virus.

K.

--
^ ^ Cat's Haven Hobby Farm ^ ^ ^ ^
>,,< >,,< >,,<

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 15:53:03 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:


> Those weren't real cats. They were PETA members in cats' clothing. You
> needed Ma Cat, one of the country's finest mousers of the '50s. A
> self-respecting girl. Ma Cat made mouncemeat out of more than one
> little critter on our farm. Her ne'er do well son, Whitey, though,
> wouldn't have known what to do with a mousie if it opened his jaws and
> walked right in! The lout!
>
Or maybe he was too well fed. You know how men are.
They are complacent/content as long as they're well taken
care of.



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:43:51 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
wrote:

> sf <icu2@pipeline dot com> wrote:
> >I use regular "kill 'em dead" traps on mice and bait them
> >with (drum roll) Jarlesberg... I've tried cheddar etc, and
> >even peanut butter, but I seem to have gourmet mice when
> >they decide to hang out at my house.
>
> Y'know what?
>
> I just realized.
>
> The mouse didn't show up until after I'd bought
> my first Stilton in months.
>

LOL! Well, there you go... it's all your fault.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

In article >, says...
> COTTP > wrote:
> >In article .net>,
> says...
> >
> >> I had a mouse. I saw it on Friday and told the Handyman to come and do
> >> something. He put out several glue traps and the next day, yesterday, I
> >> found its corpse.
> >
> >Mice very rarely come in onesies.
>
> History: Had a mouse here about two years ago. He left
> of his own accord, after doing about the same sorts of
> things to the kitchen that this is (these are) doing.
>
> He was tan. This/these are gray.
>
> --Blair
> "I was hoping for black."

I believe the tan guys are field/country mice, the grey guys are your
run of the mill city mice.

Around here they're grey.

In article >,
says...

> I read an interesting article last summer about mousers. It is
> apparently a gene that some cats have and others do not. The study
> showed that cats who do not have the gene will start to starve while
> mice run right in front of them.
>
> I get mice coming in during the fall - they don't last long around my
> 28 lb. mouser. He eats everything except the tail and what appears
> to be the bile duct which presumably would be bitter.
>
> When he is on the bed and hears a mouse, it is amazing to see that
> huge cat 'glide' to the floor silently in hunting mode as opposed to
> the normal thunk as he hits the deck in regular mode!
>
> Sheena ~ definitely in a mouse free area ~

Sorta like my 25lb cat. He's not all that graceful but he's definitely
got gusto.

I'm reminded of the line in "The Pentagon Wars" when I hear about large
cats.

"It's a bit hard to do a sneak and peek when you're over 12 feet tall."

In this case, it's a bit hard to be stealthy when you're a huge cat.
In the case of the only female in the house, at 6.5lbs and pure black
she's definitely able to pull it off and get into tight places.

wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 18:33:43 -0500, COTTP > wrote:
>
>
>>In article .net>,
says...
>>

>>
>>All mine are killers. It's one of the things I love about cats. They're
>>these cute little furballs and deadly to small things and quite painful
>>to large things should they desire.
>>
>
> I read an interesting article last summer about mousers. It is
> apparently a gene that some cats have and others do not. The study
> showed that cats who do not have the gene will start to starve while
> mice run right in front of them.
>
> I get mice coming in during the fall - they don't last long around my
> 28 lb. mouser. He eats everything except the tail and what appears
> to be the bile duct which presumably would be bitter.
>
> When he is on the bed and hears a mouse, it is amazing to see that
> huge cat 'glide' to the floor silently in hunting mode as opposed to
> the normal thunk as he hits the deck in regular mode!
>
> Sheena ~ definitely in a mouse free area ~


Could your 26 lb mouser please send Tandoora instruction on how to act
towards mice? She accepts email at my address and will answer. Unless
she is hiding from mice, of course.

Thank you. Margaret

jmcquown wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Margaret Suran wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >>>>> In article >, Blair P.
> >>>>> Houghton > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I had a mouse.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (hilarious story snipped)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> My daughter just had a baby. The cat took a liking for the crib when
> >>> the baby was not there. After having to wash the crib linens once
> >>> too many times we did just what I described. No more cat problems.
> >>>
> >>> Bert
> >>
> >> Why not simply close the door? No need to scare the poor cat to
> >> death. The child will outgrow the crib eventually. You're going to
> >> make the cat terrified to even go into the room with the kid.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > The cat is very fast and will outrun anyone to get to a barely open
> > door. My daughter has to keep the door open to hear the baby (he is
> > less than two months old) who is in an on-demand breast feeding
> > schedule. It is best to train the cat.
> >
> > The cat, by the way, is an outside cat. She goes in and out whenever
> > the outside doors get open. She does not get terrified easily at
> > almost anything.
> >
> > Bert
>
> Uh huh. You or your daughter ever heard of a baby monitor? I won't even
> speak to the "on demand" thing.
>
> It is downright cruel to use mouse traps to scare the living daylights out
> of the cat, not to mention the fact that it might, in its curiosity, get one
> of its paws snapped shut in it. Geezlepeets. It's not like... oh wait...
> are you one of those people who believe cats suck the breath out of babies?!
>
> Jill

Hey, Jill, chill out, will you?

The newspapers over the _UPSIDE DOWN_ traps are there to ensure the cat does
not get caught in a trap. The described method is recommended by vets.

As to whatever you meant by the baby monitor comment, she does have one that
lets her know when the baby has started crying.

On demand breast feeding is the method recommended by La Leche. Take a look at

http://www.breastfeeding.com/all_abo...ter_birth.html
http://www.babycenter.com/expert/bab...feed/5624.html
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/8...uefeeding.html

After reading it do speak about "the 'on demand' thing", it is nothing to be
scared of. Neither is breast feeding.

And no, we are not one of those people who believe in that particular
fairytale.

Bert

"Margaret Suran" > wrote in message
link.net...

>
> Could your 26 lb mouser please send Tandoora instruction on how to act
> towards mice? She accepts email at my address and will answer. Unless
> she is hiding from mice, of course.
>
> Thank you. Margaret
>
Sorry, gotta do this. Does she use the 'mouse'? [;o}
Janet

In article >, Blair P.
Houghton > wrote:

> Nope. I'm sticking with Stilton.
>
> HE CAME BACK!
>
> Or his little sister did.
>
> Shoulda known.

Ayup. No such thing as "a mouse." "-)

> I heard and saw one on the kitchen counter tonight.
>
> Set the traps out with a fingernail of stilton in each,
> and about an hour later--clack! Rattlerattle...
>
> He's so owned.
>
> I dropped him out past the back fence again, this time with
> a flashlight so I could see him split for the culvert.

Score one for Mousey's diversionary tactics. :-)

> Tomorrow I'm definitely getting a proper coverplate for the broken
> cleanout on the outside of the kitchen wall. I'm pretty sure that's
> their ingress.
>
> --Blair
> "Anyone rented Mouse Hunt lately?"

Blair, I hope you'll keep this tail, er, tale, going. It's very
entertaining.
--
-Barb
12-28-03: Tourtiere picture added to my site: <www.jamlady.eboard.com>
Also a picture of my Baba Authorized struhadlo for making halushky
"If you're ever in a jam, here I am."

In article >, COTTP
> wrote:

> I'm reminded of the line in "The Pentagon Wars" when I hear about large
> cats.
>
> "It's a bit hard to do a sneak and peek when you're over 12 feet tall."
>
> In this case, it's a bit hard to be stealthy when you're a huge cat.
> In the case of the only female in the house, at 6.5lbs and pure black
> she's definitely able to pull it off and get into tight places.

Cheap winter entertainment many years ago: Neighbor behind us is fenced
in. White snow cover. Birdies about. Black cat moving stealthily
across the fence, thinking for all the world that he's not seen by
anything. Wrong!
--
-Barb
12-28-03: Tourtiere picture added to my site: <www.jamlady.eboard.com>
Also a picture of my Baba Authorized struhadlo for making halushky
"If you're ever in a jam, here I am."

In article >, icu2@pipeline
dot com wrote:
(snip)
> According to what I've heard/read, cats need to be trained by their
> mothers to catch and kill mice. Otherwise mice are interesting
> playthings to them.

Oh, sure, blame it on the mom!!!
--
-Barb
12-28-03: Tourtiere picture added to my site: <www.jamlady.eboard.com>
Also a picture of my Baba Authorized struhadlo for making halushky
"If you're ever in a jam, here I am."

Janet Bostwick wrote:
> "Margaret Suran" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>
>
>>Could your 26 lb mouser please send Tandoora instruction on how to act
>>towards mice? She accepts email at my address and will answer. Unless
>>she is hiding from mice, of course.
>>
>> Thank you. Margaret
>>
>
> Sorry, gotta do this. Does she use the 'mouse'? [;o}
> Janet
>
>
She killed one. She saw it sitting on my desk and picked it up by the
wire and shook it until the mouse fell off. The she carried it around.

I also have a small wooden mouse, among other little knick knacks. She
goes after that wooden mouse and has already bitten off one ear and the
tail. Tandoora is only afraid of real mice, she is a big hero when it
comes to make believe ones.

"Margaret Suran" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
>
> Janet Bostwick wrote:
> > "Margaret Suran" > wrote in message
> > link.net...
> >
> >
> >>Could your 26 lb mouser please send Tandoora instruction on how to act
> >>towards mice? She accepts email at my address and will answer. Unless
> >>she is hiding from mice, of course.
> >>
> >> Thank you. Margaret
> >>
> >
> > Sorry, gotta do this. Does she use the 'mouse'? [;o}
> > Janet
> >
> >
> She killed one. She saw it sitting on my desk and picked it up by the
> wire and shook it until the mouse fell off. The she carried it around.
>
> I also have a small wooden mouse, among other little knick knacks. She
> goes after that wooden mouse and has already bitten off one ear and the
> tail. Tandoora is only afraid of real mice, she is a big hero when it
> comes to make believe ones.
>

She's obviously fastidious--live ones are so messy.
Janet

wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>>> jmcquown wrote:
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Margaret Suran wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >, Blair P.
>>>>>>> Houghton > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had a mouse.
>>>>>>>
> After reading it do speak about "the 'on demand' thing", it is
> nothing to be scared of. Neither is breast feeding.

Honey, I'm chilled. You'll have to forgive me, I'm not feeling well and I
get a bit irritable when I get sick while on vacation. Thankfully, I had my
cat snuggled up next to me, purring soothing sounds in my ear.

I'm not afraid of breast feeding, although I do object to women whipping
them out in public places. Not to worry, I'm old enough to have
grandchildren myself so no one is going to be sucking off my tit anytime
soon, unless you count what I pay in U.S. taxes

Jill

In article >,
says...
> In article >, COTTP
> > wrote:
>
> > I'm reminded of the line in "The Pentagon Wars" when I hear about large
> > cats.
> >
> > "It's a bit hard to do a sneak and peek when you're over 12 feet tall."
> >
> > In this case, it's a bit hard to be stealthy when you're a huge cat.
> > In the case of the only female in the house, at 6.5lbs and pure black
> > she's definitely able to pull it off and get into tight places.
>
> Cheap winter entertainment many years ago: Neighbor behind us is fenced
> in. White snow cover. Birdies about. Black cat moving stealthily
> across the fence, thinking for all the world that he's not seen by
> anything. Wrong!

The only time a cat gets contrast is when it's picking the lap to sit
in. A cat must always pick clothing which contrasts well with it's fur.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 09:12:09 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> wrote:

> In article >, icu2@pipeline
> dot com wrote:
> (snip)
> > According to what I've heard/read, cats need to be trained by their
> > mothers to catch and kill mice. Otherwise mice are interesting
> > playthings to them.
>
> Oh, sure, blame it on the mom!!!

LOL! Isn't it always our fault?



Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 07:05:28 -0400,
wrote:


> I get mice coming in during the fall - they don't last long around my
> 28 lb. mouser. He eats everything except the tail and what appears
> to be the bile duct which presumably would be bitter.

You mean he doesn't leave you the liver? What a piglet!

There's nothing quite like stepping outside bare footed to
get the morning paper (glasses off, so everything is in soft
focus) and almost squish on a fresh mouse liver <with or
without the front quarters>... a gift from my dear kitty
cat.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Mark Thorson wrote:
> Nancree wrote:
>
>
>>Mice also love gumdrops. Honestly! I read this tip years ago. They seem to
>>like the color and taste. The advantage is that the gumdrops last. They don't
>>dry up and fall off like cheese.
>
>
> In my experience, Resse's Peanut Butter Cups are beloved
> as trap bait by both rats and mice.

In my experience, mice like spicy meat - I've seen them go for bulgogi
(the more garlicky the better) and pepperoni. Tie it to the base before
setting the trap.

-j.

COTTP wrote:

> Decided to use the glue traps at the time. Well, next day when I came in
> there were two of the little critters stuck to it. What to do, what to
> do.

That's the thing about glue traps - they're alive and stuck and panicked
and crying and you have to kill them. Snap traps are much more humane,
imo. Old bf and I had a glue trapped mouse one time, had to hit its
head with a hammer to kill it. That was just creepy. He wanted to
reuse the trap, so he grabbed the mousey corpse with a paper towel to
remove it, it mostly came off, but its tail was still in the glue.
D'oh. At least it was alreay dead by then.

-j.

In article >, joshiro911
@hotmail.com says...
> Mark Thorson wrote:
> > Nancree wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Mice also love gumdrops. Honestly! I read this tip years ago. They seem to
> >>like the color and taste. The advantage is that the gumdrops last. They don't
> >>dry up and fall off like cheese.
> >
> >
> > In my experience, Resse's Peanut Butter Cups are beloved
> > as trap bait by both rats and mice.
>
> In my experience, mice like spicy meat - I've seen them go for bulgogi
> (the more garlicky the better) and pepperoni. Tie it to the base before
> setting the trap.

They go for anything with a heavy aroma - so some cheeses, peanut
butter, spiced meats etc. work well.

June Oshiro wrote:

> That's the thing about glue traps - they're alive and stuck and panicked
> and crying and you have to kill them. Snap traps are much more humane,
> imo. Old bf and I had a glue trapped mouse one time, had to hit its
> head with a hammer to kill it. That was just creepy. He wanted to
> reuse the trap, so he grabbed the mousey corpse with a paper towel to
> remove it, it mostly came off, but its tail was still in the glue.
> D'oh. At least it was alreay dead by then.

Thank you for sharing. :-P

jmcquown wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Margaret Suran wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Melba's Jammin' wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article >, Blair P.
> >>>>>>> Houghton > wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I had a mouse.
> >>>>>>>
> > After reading it do speak about "the 'on demand' thing", it is
> > nothing to be scared of. Neither is breast feeding.
>
> Honey, I'm chilled. You'll have to forgive me, I'm not feeling well and I
> get a bit irritable when I get sick while on vacation. Thankfully, I had my
> cat snuggled up next to me, purring soothing sounds in my ear.
>
> I'm not afraid of breast feeding, although I do object to women whipping
> them out in public places. Not to worry, I'm old enough to have
> grandchildren myself so no one is going to be sucking off my tit anytime
> soon, unless you count what I pay in U.S. taxes
>
> Jill

No problem at all. I hope you feel well soon. I am starting to come down with
a sore throat myself. Not good just before New Year's day.

My daughter is very shy about that. Although she has had to feed the baby away
from home she keeps herself quite well covered. No public exhibition for her.

She is getting ready to go to work next week and has accumulated a bunch of
bottles in the freezer for those times while she is away from home. She pumps
in between feedings.

Funny, this is somewhat on topic...

Bert

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 07:05:28 -0400,
> wrote:
>
>
> > I get mice coming in during the fall - they don't last long around my
> > 28 lb. mouser. He eats everything except the tail and what appears
> > to be the bile duct which presumably would be bitter.
>
> You mean he doesn't leave you the liver? What a piglet!
>
> There's nothing quite like stepping outside bare footed to
> get the morning paper (glasses off, so everything is in soft
> focus) and almost squish on a fresh mouse liver <with or
> without the front quarters>... a gift from my dear kitty
> cat.
>
>

Oh gods! ROFL! That brings back sooo many memories! ;-D
Patience was a gray torty that was the best mouser in the entire
neighborhood, I swear! I remember getting mouse (and squirrel and
rabbit) squishy parts lodged between my toes! Ick!

Thanks!!!

K.

--
^ ^ Cat's Haven Hobby Farm ^ ^ ^ ^
>,,< >,,< >,,<

In article >,
June Oshiro > wrote:

> COTTP wrote:
>
> > Decided to use the glue traps at the time. Well, next day when I came in
> > there were two of the little critters stuck to it. What to do, what to
> > do.
>
> That's the thing about glue traps - they're alive and stuck and panicked
> and crying and you have to kill them. Snap traps are much more humane,
> imo. Old bf and I had a glue trapped mouse one time, had to hit its
> head with a hammer to kill it. That was just creepy. He wanted to
> reuse the trap, so he grabbed the mousey corpse with a paper towel to
> remove it, it mostly came off, but its tail was still in the glue.
> D'oh. At least it was alreay dead by then.
>
> -j.
>

IMHO glue traps are the most horrible and inhumane things that man has
ever come up with. :-( If the animal is lucky, it'll shove it's nose and
mouth into the glue and suffocate. Otherwise, they slowly die of
starvation/dehydration.

Kinda like crucifixion. :-P

If you MUST use glue traps, at least kill the poor things when they get
trapped! If you can't hit them, toss the glue trap into a pail of water
and walk away for an hour or so. <sigh> Still not fun, but better than
the alternative.

I'd like to see those damned things outlawed. At least snap traps are
quick, and the coumadin based poisons cause the animal to bleed to
death. Not really painful at all. That is what I use if I get a bad rat
infestation around the livestock...

Just my opinion. I HATE glue traps! They are inhumane...

K.

--
^ ^ Cat's Haven Hobby Farm ^ ^ ^ ^
>,,< >,,< >,,<

In article >,
Mark Thorson > wrote:

> June Oshiro wrote:
>
> > That's the thing about glue traps - they're alive and stuck and panicked
> > and crying and you have to kill them. Snap traps are much more humane,
> > imo. Old bf and I had a glue trapped mouse one time, had to hit its
> > head with a hammer to kill it. That was just creepy. He wanted to
> > reuse the trap, so he grabbed the mousey corpse with a paper towel to
> > remove it, it mostly came off, but its tail was still in the glue.
> > D'oh. At least it was alreay dead by then.
>
> Thank you for sharing. :-P
>

I'm glad she did...
The more people we can get to boycott that product, the better!

--
^ ^ Cat's Haven Hobby Farm ^ ^ ^ ^
>,,< >,,< >,,<

The subject of this particular thread reads like something you might
read on a graffiti laden wall....now I know it is past my bed time.

Just a Jeanie

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:02:06 -0600, Katra
> wrote:
> >
>
> I'm glad she did...
> The more people we can get to boycott that product, the better!

I agree.


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On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:54:15 GMT, sf > wrote:

>I agree.

That's the most intelligent post you've ever made. Do you remember
what you were talking about?

On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 16:00:59 -0600, Gar <> wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:54:15 GMT, sf > wrote:
>
> >I agree.
>
> That's the most intelligent post you've ever made. Do you remember
> what you were talking about?
>
Yep.


Practice safe eating - always use condiments

In article >,
sf > wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Dec 2003 02:02:06 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
> > >
> >
> > I'm glad she did...
> > The more people we can get to boycott that product, the better!
>
> I agree.
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Thank you. :-)

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Katra > wrote:
>I'm actually impressed that you are live trapping... ;-)

Well, that was the plan, as I've only had one other
mouse in the house and that was 2 or 3 years ago.

But my karma bartering may end. I looked over the back
fence, and there are an easy dozen mouse-sized holes in
the dirt beside the culvert.

I doubt the mice I've caught this time were the same
mouse*, so if the cover plate doesn't stop the invasion
I'll have to start leaving out poison baits.

>Watch out tho', mice can carry Hanta virus.

Exactly my worry if the numbers start getting into
the range of statistical significance.

--Blair
"This ain't no Waldorf Moustoria."

* - and it's up to 3 now; the last one was an ugly scene,
as he'd been caught in the trap overnight and either
the Stilton had disagreed with him or he'd gotten
claustrophobic (a claustrophobic mouse? there's a
trick...) or maybe they really do just go wherever and
whenever, because the trap was dripping mouse gunk of
all sorts.

In article >,
Blair P. Houghton > wrote:

> Katra > wrote:
> >I'm actually impressed that you are live trapping... ;-)
>
> Well, that was the plan, as I've only had one other
> mouse in the house and that was 2 or 3 years ago.
>
> But my karma bartering may end. I looked over the back
> fence, and there are an easy dozen mouse-sized holes in
> the dirt beside the culvert.

I tried live traps with the original rat infestation in the hen yard.
Really I did... It got out of hand swiftly so I had no choice
but to start poisoning. They ate eggs, killed young pigeons
and crapped profusely in the feed dishes, and attracted rattlesnakes...

Rodents are oh so prolific.

You usually only visually see about 10% of your infestation.
I was forced to poison finally. You just have to be OH so careful!

Bar baits BTW are safer as they cannot drag them away if they
are fixed in place properly with a catch pan to control crumb dispersal.

>
> I doubt the mice I've caught this time were the same
> mouse*, so if the cover plate doesn't stop the invasion
> I'll have to start leaving out poison baits.

If your infestation gets bad enough, it's the only way. I hated to
do it, but as I said in an earlier post, when I first started using
dicoumarol baits, (not sure if that is spelled right), the body count
slowed down at over 40. What I like about that poison is that the animal
bleeds to death, and that is really not a bad way to die. They get weak
and thirsty, which usually drives them out into the open in search of
water. Most died near the water pans so I could gather them and dispose
of them properly. Only a few died where I could not see them, just smell
them.

That is the drawback of poison, but they dry out after about a week,
but it is rather unpleasant. :-P

"one bite" brand works pretty well, and there are other similar brands
as well.

>
> >Watch out tho', mice can carry Hanta virus.
>
> Exactly my worry if the numbers start getting into
> the range of statistical significance.

It's looking that way. <sigh>
Your other alternative is to either import some really good mousers,
(cats) or some good bullsnakes. Ferrets are good too, as long as you
don't have any other rodent pets or pet birds. Ferrets will go out of
their way to kill birds, or so I've heard. I've never owned one.

>
> --Blair
> "This ain't no Waldorf Moustoria."
>
> * - and it's up to 3 now; the last one was an ugly scene,
> as he'd been caught in the trap overnight and either
> the Stilton had disagreed with him or he'd gotten
> claustrophobic (a claustrophobic mouse? there's a
> trick...) or maybe they really do just go wherever and
> whenever, because the trap was dripping mouse gunk of
> all sorts.


Ew. ;-P

K.

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I don't know where you live, but it seems like you could use
a neighborhood coyote or fox on permanent mouse patrol
OUTSIDE the hen house. <S>

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On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:30:51 -0600, Katra
> wrote:

>
> I tried live traps with the original rat infestation in the hen yard.
> Really I did... It got out of hand swiftly so I had no choice
> but to start poisoning. They ate eggs, killed young pigeons
> and crapped profusely in the feed dishes, and attracted rattlesnakes...
>
> Rodents are oh so prolific.
>
> You usually only visually see about 10% of your infestation.
> I was forced to poison finally. You just have to be OH so careful!




Practice safe eating - always use condiments

In article >,
sf > wrote:
`````````
>
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:30:51 -0600, Katra
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > I tried live traps with the original rat infestation in the hen yard.
> > Really I did... It got out of hand swiftly so I had no choice
> > but to start poisoning. They ate eggs, killed young pigeons
> > and crapped profusely in the feed dishes, and attracted rattlesnakes...
> >
> > Rodents are oh so prolific.
> >
> > You usually only visually see about 10% of your infestation.
> > I was forced to poison finally. You just have to be OH so careful!
>
> I don't know where you live, but it seems like you could use
> a neighborhood coyote or fox on permanent mouse patrol
> OUTSIDE the hen house. <S>
>
>
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Texas rural... There are even deer on the lawns. <G>
Pretty wild.

I wish it were that easy. I've actually considered rat terriers. <G>
There are nearly always shelter dogs available, but they can't be
chicken killers! :-o

K.

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Katra > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> sf > wrote:
> `````````
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:30:51 -0600, Katra
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I tried live traps with the original rat infestation in the hen yard.
> > > Really I did... It got out of hand swiftly so I had no choice
> > > but to start poisoning. They ate eggs, killed young pigeons
> > > and crapped profusely in the feed dishes, and attracted rattlesnakes...
> > >
> > > Rodents are oh so prolific.
> > >
> > > You usually only visually see about 10% of your infestation.
> > > I was forced to poison finally. You just have to be OH so careful!
> >
> > I don't know where you live, but it seems like you could use
> > a neighborhood coyote or fox on permanent mouse patrol
> > OUTSIDE the hen house. <S>
> >
> >
> > Practice safe eating - always use condiments
>
> Texas rural... There are even deer on the lawns. <G>
> Pretty wild.
>
> I wish it were that easy. I've actually considered rat terriers. <G>
> There are nearly always shelter dogs available, but they can't be
> chicken killers! :-o

You need a good colony of Texas Glossy snakes. Set up a habitat for
them (woodpile, area to bask, water nearby), and ask a breeder to sell
you a mated pair or two. Once established, it is unlikely the
rattlers will hang around for too long, and mice/rats will be
non-existent.

-L.

In article > ,
(-L.) wrote:

> Katra > wrote in message
> >...
> > In article >,
> > sf > wrote:
> > `````````
> > >
> > > On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:30:51 -0600, Katra
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I tried live traps with the original rat infestation in the hen yard.
> > > > Really I did... It got out of hand swiftly so I had no choice
> > > > but to start poisoning. They ate eggs, killed young pigeons
> > > > and crapped profusely in the feed dishes, and attracted
> > > > rattlesnakes...
> > > >
> > > > Rodents are oh so prolific.
> > > >
> > > > You usually only visually see about 10% of your infestation.
> > > > I was forced to poison finally. You just have to be OH so careful!
> > >
> > > I don't know where you live, but it seems like you could use
> > > a neighborhood coyote or fox on permanent mouse patrol
> > > OUTSIDE the hen house. <S>
> > >
> > >
> > > Practice safe eating - always use condiments
> >
> > Texas rural... There are even deer on the lawns. <G>
> > Pretty wild.
> >
> > I wish it were that easy. I've actually considered rat terriers. <G>
> > There are nearly always shelter dogs available, but they can't be
> > chicken killers! :-o
>
> You need a good colony of Texas Glossy snakes. Set up a habitat for
> them (woodpile, area to bask, water nearby), and ask a breeder to sell
> you a mated pair or two. Once established, it is unlikely the
> rattlers will hang around for too long, and mice/rats will be
> non-existent.
>
> -L.

Are glossy's better than Texas Rat Snakes or Bull Snakes?
I'm regretting now relocating the Rat Snakes that I had here!
I trapped them and gave them away because they were killing my
baby pigeons! That is when the rat problem started... <sigh> And
since the rats kill baby pigeons too, I'm still in the same boat. :-(

Seems I just can't win.

I'd be interested in re-introducing a smaller snake that would not go
for birds?

I currently have a blue racer that eats my grasshoppers. :-) Funny, I
was having a problem with 'hoppers eating plants until this snake
appeared. He's been here now for abut 3 years and I see him/her from
time to time. I tried to capture it initially as that species also tends
to eat lizards and frogs, and I have a very nice population of med'
geckos and toads. (I'm very much into natural control/organic gardening
without the use or minimal use of pesticides).

When I finally managed to catch the snake one day, it had a very, very
large grasshopper in it's teeth so I told the snake that if it was
willing to eat 'hoppers, it could live here, then I tossed it back into
the garden! <G>

So, I more than welcome beneficial snakes here. I have no fear of them...

K.

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