Hi,
Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
chicken falling apart while making the soup?
How can I prevent this ?
TIA
SUNNY

"villa deauville" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?
> TIA
> SUNNY

I use necks, wings, and backs to make chicken stock. All chicken and
vegetable from the stock get fed to the dogs. I then use the stock to make
soup with fresh chicken. That way you get a flavorful stock, and soup with
chicken that isn't boiled to death.

"villa deauville" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?
> TIA
> SUNNY

I use necks, wings, and backs to make chicken stock. All chicken and
vegetable from the stock get fed to the dogs. I then use the stock to make
soup with fresh chicken. That way you get a flavorful stock, and soup with
chicken that isn't boiled to death.

villa deauville wrote:
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?

I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
Goomba

villa deauville wrote:
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?

I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
Goomba

Vox Humana wrote:
> "villa deauville" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi,
>>Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
>>chicken falling apart while making the soup?
>>How can I prevent this ?
>>TIA
>>SUNNY
>
>
> I use necks, wings, and backs to make chicken stock. All chicken and
> vegetable from the stock get fed to the dogs. I then use the stock to make
> soup with fresh chicken. That way you get a flavorful stock, and soup with
> chicken that isn't boiled to death.
>
>

I *think* what Vox means is the chicken *meat* gets fed to the dogs.
Never, ever give a dog chicken bones. They will most likely shatter
and have great potential for killing the dog.

--
Steve

Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it?

Vox Humana wrote:
> "villa deauville" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Hi,
>>Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
>>chicken falling apart while making the soup?
>>How can I prevent this ?
>>TIA
>>SUNNY
>
>
> I use necks, wings, and backs to make chicken stock. All chicken and
> vegetable from the stock get fed to the dogs. I then use the stock to make
> soup with fresh chicken. That way you get a flavorful stock, and soup with
> chicken that isn't boiled to death.
>
>

I *think* what Vox means is the chicken *meat* gets fed to the dogs.
Never, ever give a dog chicken bones. They will most likely shatter
and have great potential for killing the dog.

--
Steve

Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it?

Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
>Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
>chicken falling apart while making the soup?

Good soup is made by slowwww simmering. This very morning I had a whole
chicken simmering in the crock pot for a few hours. It held together
until touched with a spoon, whereupon the meat fell from the carcass.

Answer, you don't stop it from falling apart. That's a feature.

Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
>Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
>chicken falling apart while making the soup?

Good soup is made by slowwww simmering. This very morning I had a whole
chicken simmering in the crock pot for a few hours. It held together
until touched with a spoon, whereupon the meat fell from the carcass.

Answer, you don't stop it from falling apart. That's a feature.

villa deauville wrote:
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?
> TIA
> SUNNY

I make chicken soup by first roasting the bird in the oven. Drippings,
skin, bones, giblets and veggies get dumped into a stockpot with water
for making the stock. I then strain the stock and add the veggies
that'll be in the soup along with the meat I removed from the chicken.
It falls apart somebut not to the degree of just having "chicken
threads" in the soup.

Jessica

villa deauville wrote:
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?
> TIA
> SUNNY

I make chicken soup by first roasting the bird in the oven. Drippings,
skin, bones, giblets and veggies get dumped into a stockpot with water
for making the stock. I then strain the stock and add the veggies
that'll be in the soup along with the meat I removed from the chicken.
It falls apart somebut not to the degree of just having "chicken
threads" in the soup.

Jessica

Goomba38 wrote:
> villa deauville wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
>> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
>> How can I prevent this ?
>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
> Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
> Goomba
>
Sephardic Jews stuff and boil whole chickens. About fifty years ago,
my husband and I were invited to such a family's Friday night dinner,
a special meal for Jews, as it announces the beginning of the Sabbath.
First the soup was served, with noodles, matzoh balls and carrots,
after that the chicken, which was bound with butcher's string. It was
stuffed with a fragrant stuffing, full of raisins and other sweet
fruits. Small potato pancakes, vegetables and a horse radish sauce
were served with the chicken. It did not fall apart when the string
was removed and was then partly sliced (the breast) and partly cut up
with poultry shears. The chicken did not taste like anything I had
ever eaten before, but it was delicious. A plain honey cake and fresh
fruits rounded out the meal.

I wish I had asked the hostess for the recipe.

Goomba38 wrote:
> villa deauville wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
>> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
>> How can I prevent this ?
>
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
> Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
> Goomba
>
Sephardic Jews stuff and boil whole chickens. About fifty years ago,
my husband and I were invited to such a family's Friday night dinner,
a special meal for Jews, as it announces the beginning of the Sabbath.
First the soup was served, with noodles, matzoh balls and carrots,
after that the chicken, which was bound with butcher's string. It was
stuffed with a fragrant stuffing, full of raisins and other sweet
fruits. Small potato pancakes, vegetables and a horse radish sauce
were served with the chicken. It did not fall apart when the string
was removed and was then partly sliced (the breast) and partly cut up
with poultry shears. The chicken did not taste like anything I had
ever eaten before, but it was delicious. A plain honey cake and fresh
fruits rounded out the meal.

I wish I had asked the hostess for the recipe.

Margaret Suran wrote:

> Sephardic Jews stuff and boil whole chickens. About fifty years ago, my
> husband and I were invited to such a family's Friday night dinner, a
> special meal for Jews, as it announces the beginning of the Sabbath.
> First the soup was served, with noodles, matzoh balls and carrots,
> after that the chicken, which was bound with butcher's string. It was
> stuffed with a fragrant stuffing, full of raisins and other sweet
> fruits. Small potato pancakes, vegetables and a horse radish sauce were
> served with the chicken. It did not fall apart when the string was
> removed and was then partly sliced (the breast) and partly cut up with
> poultry shears. The chicken did not taste like anything I had ever eaten
> before, but it was delicious. A plain honey cake and fresh fruits
> rounded out the meal.
>
> I wish I had asked the hostess for the recipe.

I wonder if the soup wasn't a wonderful prepared stock ready to go and
then they simmered the chicken in it for just enough time to stew the
chicken yet it wasn't required to flavor the stock to any extent?
Sounds like a lovely meal.. I wish also that you'd asked for the recipe! LOL
Gooomba

Margaret Suran wrote:

> Sephardic Jews stuff and boil whole chickens. About fifty years ago, my
> husband and I were invited to such a family's Friday night dinner, a
> special meal for Jews, as it announces the beginning of the Sabbath.
> First the soup was served, with noodles, matzoh balls and carrots,
> after that the chicken, which was bound with butcher's string. It was
> stuffed with a fragrant stuffing, full of raisins and other sweet
> fruits. Small potato pancakes, vegetables and a horse radish sauce were
> served with the chicken. It did not fall apart when the string was
> removed and was then partly sliced (the breast) and partly cut up with
> poultry shears. The chicken did not taste like anything I had ever eaten
> before, but it was delicious. A plain honey cake and fresh fruits
> rounded out the meal.
>
> I wish I had asked the hostess for the recipe.

I wonder if the soup wasn't a wonderful prepared stock ready to go and
then they simmered the chicken in it for just enough time to stew the
chicken yet it wasn't required to flavor the stock to any extent?
Sounds like a lovely meal.. I wish also that you'd asked for the recipe! LOL
Gooomba

A Korean favorite is samgyetang, a delicious soup made with a whole, small
chicken that's been stuffed with rice, ginger, ginseng, jub jubs, and other
herbs. It's served piping hot in the same clay pot in which it was cooked.
As you dig into the pot to get it the pieces fall onto your spoon. One
samgyetang is enough for 2 and includes several side dishes.
Damn, now I'm hungry again.

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> villa deauville wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> > chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> > How can I prevent this ?
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
> Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
> Goomba
>

A Korean favorite is samgyetang, a delicious soup made with a whole, small
chicken that's been stuffed with rice, ginger, ginseng, jub jubs, and other
herbs. It's served piping hot in the same clay pot in which it was cooked.
As you dig into the pot to get it the pieces fall onto your spoon. One
samgyetang is enough for 2 and includes several side dishes.
Damn, now I'm hungry again.

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> villa deauville wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> > chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> > How can I prevent this ?
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
> Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
> Goomba
>

, Steve Calvin > writes:

>Never, ever give a dog chicken bones

Semi correct.
Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
dangers.

Connie
************************************************** ***
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.

, Steve Calvin > writes:

>Never, ever give a dog chicken bones

Semi correct.
Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
dangers.

Connie
************************************************** ***
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.

ConnieG999 wrote:

> , Steve Calvin > writes:
>
>
>>Never, ever give a dog chicken bones
>
>
> Semi correct.
> Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
> dangers.
>
> Connie
> ************************************************** ***
> My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
>
Very well could be. But I wouldn't give 'em raw chicken either, bones
or not.

--
Steve

Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it?

ConnieG999 wrote:

> , Steve Calvin > writes:
>
>
>>Never, ever give a dog chicken bones
>
>
> Semi correct.
> Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
> dangers.
>
> Connie
> ************************************************** ***
> My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
>
Very well could be. But I wouldn't give 'em raw chicken either, bones
or not.

--
Steve

Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it?

ConnieG999 wrote:

> , Steve Calvin > writes:
>
>
>>Never, ever give a dog chicken bones
>
>
> Semi correct.
> Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
> dangers.
>
> Connie
> ************************************************** ***
> My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
>
Very well could be. But I wouldn't give 'em raw chicken either, bones
or not.

--
Steve

Whose cruel idea was it for the word "lisp" to have an "s" in it?

Steve Calvin > writes:

>Very well could be. But I wouldn't give 'em raw chicken either, bones
>or not.

Then you might be surprised to know that many dog breeders, fanciers, and
houndsmen feed the "bones and raw foods diet", known as BARF. Some also call it
"biologically appropriate raw foods". Raw, bone-in chicken is a staple in the
BARF canine diet. Raw chicken is entirely appropriate for dogs. It's the
cooking of the bones that makes them splinter; raw bones are of a different,
safer consistency.

Connie
************************************************** ***
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.

Steve Calvin > writes:

>Very well could be. But I wouldn't give 'em raw chicken either, bones
>or not.

Then you might be surprised to know that many dog breeders, fanciers, and
houndsmen feed the "bones and raw foods diet", known as BARF. Some also call it
"biologically appropriate raw foods". Raw, bone-in chicken is a staple in the
BARF canine diet. Raw chicken is entirely appropriate for dogs. It's the
cooking of the bones that makes them splinter; raw bones are of a different,
safer consistency.

Connie
************************************************** ***
My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.

"villa deauville" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?
> TIA
> SUNNY

Simmer the chicken for about half and hour. Remove it and take the meat off
the bones. Return the bones, skin etc. to the pan and simmer for another
hour or so then strain. Make the soup, cooking whatever veg you want in the
stock. Add the cooked meat at the very end.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"villa deauville" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?
> TIA
> SUNNY

Simmer the chicken for about half and hour. Remove it and take the meat off
the bones. Return the bones, skin etc. to the pan and simmer for another
hour or so then strain. Make the soup, cooking whatever veg you want in the
stock. Add the cooked meat at the very end.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

"villa deauville" > wrote in message
...
> Hi,
> Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> How can I prevent this ?
> TIA
> SUNNY

Simmer the chicken for about half and hour. Remove it and take the meat off
the bones. Return the bones, skin etc. to the pan and simmer for another
hour or so then strain. Make the soup, cooking whatever veg you want in the
stock. Add the cooked meat at the very end.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

ConnieG999 wrote:
> Steve Calvin > writes:
>
>
>>Very well could be. But I wouldn't give 'em raw chicken either, bones
>>or not.
>
>
> Then you might be surprised to know that many dog breeders, fanciers, and
> houndsmen feed the "bones and raw foods diet", known as BARF. Some also call it
> "biologically appropriate raw foods". Raw, bone-in chicken is a staple in the
> BARF canine diet. Raw chicken is entirely appropriate for dogs. It's the
> cooking of the bones that makes them splinter; raw bones are of a different,
> safer consistency.
>
> Connie
> ************************************************** ***
> My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
>
No, that wouldn't surprise my. My reasons for not giving it to my dog is
that I don't want her developing a "taste" for birds. About the first
time she bit into a ringneck during a retrieval all hell would break
loose! ;-)

--
Steve

Why don't they make mouse flavored cat food?

ConnieG999 wrote:
> Steve Calvin > writes:
>
>
>>Very well could be. But I wouldn't give 'em raw chicken either, bones
>>or not.
>
>
> Then you might be surprised to know that many dog breeders, fanciers, and
> houndsmen feed the "bones and raw foods diet", known as BARF. Some also call it
> "biologically appropriate raw foods". Raw, bone-in chicken is a staple in the
> BARF canine diet. Raw chicken is entirely appropriate for dogs. It's the
> cooking of the bones that makes them splinter; raw bones are of a different,
> safer consistency.
>
> Connie
> ************************************************** ***
> My mind is like a steel...um, whatchamacallit.
>
No, that wouldn't surprise my. My reasons for not giving it to my dog is
that I don't want her developing a "taste" for birds. About the first
time she bit into a ringneck during a retrieval all hell would break
loose! ;-)

--
Steve

Why don't they make mouse flavored cat food?

ConnieG999 wrote:
>
> , Steve Calvin > writes:
>
> >Never, ever give a dog chicken bones
>
> Semi correct.
> Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
> dangers.

Uh, what? Cooked chicken bones do not splinter.
It's the raw bones that splinter, mainly the long
bones from the legs and wings.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

ConnieG999 wrote:
>
> , Steve Calvin > writes:
>
> >Never, ever give a dog chicken bones
>
> Semi correct.
> Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
> dangers.

Uh, what? Cooked chicken bones do not splinter.
It's the raw bones that splinter, mainly the long
bones from the legs and wings.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

Kate Connally wrote:

> ConnieG999 wrote:
>
>>, Steve Calvin > writes:
>>
>>
>>>Never, ever give a dog chicken bones
>>
>>Semi correct.
>>Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
>>dangers.
>
>
> Uh, what? Cooked chicken bones do not splinter.
> It's the raw bones that splinter, mainly the long
> bones from the legs and wings.
>
> Kate
>
At the price and time I've spent with my dog, no chicken (bones or not).
Actually no table scraps or "human" food period. She's way to important
of a family member to take any chances.

Just a couple of quick reference sources, there are a multitude mo
http://www.thepetprofessor.com/secAr...g_dog_food.asp
http://secondchanceranch.org/rawmeat.html

--
Steve

Why don't they make mouse flavored cat food?

Kate Connally wrote:

> ConnieG999 wrote:
>
>>, Steve Calvin > writes:
>>
>>
>>>Never, ever give a dog chicken bones
>>
>>Semi correct.
>>Never ever give a dog COOKED chicken bones. Raw bones do not have the same
>>dangers.
>
>
> Uh, what? Cooked chicken bones do not splinter.
> It's the raw bones that splinter, mainly the long
> bones from the legs and wings.
>
> Kate
>
At the price and time I've spent with my dog, no chicken (bones or not).
Actually no table scraps or "human" food period. She's way to important
of a family member to take any chances.

Just a couple of quick reference sources, there are a multitude mo
http://www.thepetprofessor.com/secAr...g_dog_food.asp
http://secondchanceranch.org/rawmeat.html

--
Steve

Why don't they make mouse flavored cat food?

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> villa deauville wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> > chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> > How can I prevent this ?
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
> Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
> Goomba
>

In France it is quite common to cook "Poule-au-Pot" (sp?) where a whole
chicken is poached. Towards the end of the booking time extra vegetables
are added. The broth is usually served as a starter with a slice of French
bread and gruyere cheese. The chicken is served as main course with the
vegetables. Of course if you do this with an intensively reared chicken
boosted with growth hormone then you will end up with a tasteless dish.
This type of cookery depends upon outdoor reared poultry that has had
natural time to grow (organic poultry is commonly twice as old as
intensively reared broiler chickens). The development of the thigh muscles
leads to much darker, gamier tasting meat, and the liquor/broth will develop
a much richer flavour.

Colin

"Goomba38" > wrote in message
...
> villa deauville wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Discovedred this ng by accident and have a question.How can you stop a
> > chicken falling apart while making the soup?
> > How can I prevent this ?
>
> I don't think I've ever seen a chicken soup with a whole chicken in it?
> Isn't "falling apart" a desired thing??
> Goomba
>

In France it is quite common to cook "Poule-au-Pot" (sp?) where a whole
chicken is poached. Towards the end of the booking time extra vegetables
are added. The broth is usually served as a starter with a slice of French
bread and gruyere cheese. The chicken is served as main course with the
vegetables. Of course if you do this with an intensively reared chicken
boosted with growth hormone then you will end up with a tasteless dish.
This type of cookery depends upon outdoor reared poultry that has had
natural time to grow (organic poultry is commonly twice as old as
intensively reared broiler chickens). The development of the thigh muscles
leads to much darker, gamier tasting meat, and the liquor/broth will develop
a much richer flavour.

Colin

Colin Reed wrote:

> In France it is quite common to cook "Poule-au-Pot" (sp?) where a whole
> chicken is poached. Towards the end of the booking time extra vegetables
> are added. The broth is usually served as a starter with a slice of French
> bread and gruyere cheese. The chicken is served as main course with the
> vegetables. Of course if you do this with an intensively reared chicken
> boosted with growth hormone then you will end up with a tasteless dish.
> This type of cookery depends upon outdoor reared poultry that has had
> natural time to grow (organic poultry is commonly twice as old as
> intensively reared broiler chickens). The development of the thigh muscles
> leads to much darker, gamier tasting meat, and the liquor/broth will develop
> a much richer flavour.
>
> Colin

Sounds wonderful. How attractive is the bird at serving? Is the skin on
or off the bird by then?
Goomba

Colin Reed wrote:

> In France it is quite common to cook "Poule-au-Pot" (sp?) where a whole
> chicken is poached. Towards the end of the booking time extra vegetables
> are added. The broth is usually served as a starter with a slice of French
> bread and gruyere cheese. The chicken is served as main course with the
> vegetables. Of course if you do this with an intensively reared chicken
> boosted with growth hormone then you will end up with a tasteless dish.
> This type of cookery depends upon outdoor reared poultry that has had
> natural time to grow (organic poultry is commonly twice as old as
> intensively reared broiler chickens). The development of the thigh muscles
> leads to much darker, gamier tasting meat, and the liquor/broth will develop
> a much richer flavour.
>
> Colin

Sounds wonderful. How attractive is the bird at serving? Is the skin on
or off the bird by then?
Goomba