"Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message
news:gPJWc.60273$mD.40080@attbi_s02...
> notbob wrote:
>
> OTOH, how do you think those under/over-ripe
> > berries get on the bottom while the ones on top are picture perfect.
It's
> > because they are put there ...on purpose! It's deceptive packaging and
it's
> > standard practice. Just because you choose to overlook fraud doesn't
mean
> > anyone else has to.
>
>
> You think? The strawberry industry actually has the forethought and
> money to pay fruit packaging employees to go through and sort the
> berries into unripe, bruised and perfect categories, then put them into
> the packages with the perfect ones on top? I always figured the ones on
> the bottom were bruised and mushy because of the forces of gravity and
> the unripe ones were distributed at random. But I don't know; I don't
> work in the fruit picking, packaging or shipping industry. (Am I
> missing irony here? It wouldn't be the first time.)


pick any vegetable or fruit that comes in a can. go down and buy a
'premium' brand and an el cheapo brand. you think its a coincidence that
the beans in the expensive brand look so much better than the ones in the
cheapie can? and have much less stems/skin/flack on them?

heck ya they sort them. they can charge a premium for premium berries.

randy

On 2004-08-24, xrongor > wrote:

> pick any vegetable or fruit that comes in a can. go down and buy a
> 'premium' brand and an el cheapo brand. you think its a coincidence that
> the beans in the expensive brand look so much better than the ones in the
> cheapie can? and have much less stems/skin/flack on them?


Quality can not be determined by the label on the can. For example, I
recently complained to Del Monte because their sweet relish had taken on an
unacceptable off flavor. Also, when I worked at a ancient little cannery in
Oregon, we put out some of the finest canned veggies on the market, all
labeled with a brand name I'm sure no one here has ever heard of. Heck, I
don't even remember it. Sure, some premium brands tend to keep a high
minimum standard (Birdseye is pretty consistent), but it is no guarantee.
Besides, once a can goes through the cooking process, it could've had
leprosy and it wouldn't make any difference.

> heck ya they sort them. they can charge a premium for premium berries.

They only sort them for size and defects. The initial quality is determined
by the buyers who go out and purchase whole crops.

nb

>notbob writes:
>
>>xrongor wrote:
>>
>> pick any vegetable or fruit that comes in a can. go down and buy a
>> 'premium' brand and an el cheapo brand. you think its a coincidence that
>> the beans in the expensive brand look so much better than the ones in the
>> cheapie can? and have much less stems/skin/flack on them?
>
>
>Quality can not be determined by the label on the can. For example, I
>recently complained to Del Monte because their sweet relish had taken on an
>unacceptable off flavor. Also, when I worked at a ancient little cannery in
>Oregon, we put out some of the finest canned veggies on the market, all
>labeled with a brand name I'm sure no one here has ever heard of. Heck, I
>don't even remember it. Sure, some premium brands tend to keep a high
>minimum standard (Birdseye is pretty consistent), but it is no guarantee.

I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only do
frozen?

http://www.birdseyefoods.com/birdseye


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On 2004-08-24, PENMART01 > wrote:

> I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only do
> frozen?

I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2004-08-24, PENMART01 > wrote:
>
> > I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only do
> > frozen?
>
> I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.

You just have to figure they're the same company. Like, both owned
by Kraft or Sara Lee/whatever.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
> >
> > On 2004-08-24, PENMART01 > wrote:
> >
> > > I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they
only do
> > > frozen?
> >
> > I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.
>
> You just have to figure they're the same company. Like, both owned
> by Kraft or Sara Lee/whatever.
>
> nancy

Yeah kinda like ice cream...
Buy Dreyers, Edy's, Nestle bars, Drumsticks, Haagen Dazs or Starbucks....and
you're buying the same ice cream. Well, at least, it's all made by the same
people.

kimberly

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> notbob wrote:
> >
> > On 2004-08-24, PENMART01 > wrote:
> >
> > > I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they
only do
> > > frozen?
> >
> > I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.
>
> You just have to figure they're the same company. Like, both owned
> by Kraft or Sara Lee/whatever.
>
> nancy

Yeah kinda like ice cream...
Buy Dreyers, Edy's, Nestle bars, Drumsticks, Haagen Dazs or Starbucks....and
you're buying the same ice cream. Well, at least, it's all made by the same
people.

kimberly

"notbob" wrote:
> PENMART01 wrote:
>
> > I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only
do
> > frozen?
>
> I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.

When I was young, a local cannery packed produce for the Blue Boy label as
well as generic labels. We also had a processing plant that manufactured
foods for Ocean Spray, Kraft, Heinz, and many generic labels. I had friends
who worked in both plants who told me what I had long suspected: the lower
the label, the more crap that went in.

It's no different now. However I am VERY surprised to pick up a package of
high end name brand veggies and find it full of mush and stems. I don't pay
top dollar for crap. That's one of the reasons I can and freeze.

<I'll determine the quality of my own food, thanks very much>

On 2004-08-24, pennyaline > wrote:
>
> When I was young, a local cannery packed produce for the Blue Boy label as
> well as generic labels. We also had a processing plant that manufactured
> foods for Ocean Spray, Kraft, Heinz, and many generic labels. I had friends
> who worked in both plants who told me what I had long suspected: the lower
> the label, the more crap that went in.

Are you saying one plant was less quality conscious than the other? That's
entirely possible. Or are you saying 'lower' label brands from the same
plant have 'more crap'? If you mean the later, it's just not true. Once a
line is set up, it isn't changed for different brands. The only difference
is the label. The line producing Kraft is going to be no different when they
put a "Krapt" label on it.

nb

>notbob writes:
>
>>pennyaline wrote:
>>
>> When I was young, a local cannery packed produce for the Blue Boy label as
>> well as generic labels. We also had a processing plant that manufactured
>> foods for Ocean Spray, Kraft, Heinz, and many generic labels. I had friends
>> who worked in both plants who told me what I had long suspected: the lower
>> the label, the more crap that went in.
>
>Are you saying one plant was less quality conscious than the other? That's
>entirely possible. Or are you saying 'lower' label brands from the same
>plant have 'more crap'? If you mean the later, it's just not true. Once a
>line is set up, it isn't changed for different brands. The only difference
>is the label. The line producing Kraft is going to be no different when they
>put a "Krapt" label on it.

All the name brands (Green Giant, Del Monte, White Rose, etc,) are essentially
of equal quality, even the store brands, as those are exactly the same, made on
the same line, but with the store brand label. But the *generics* are of
significantly lesser quality, that's where the poorer crops are used... the
generics have the same nutritional value, but the appearance and texture is of
lesser quality.

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>notbob writes:
>
>>pennyaline wrote:
>>
>> When I was young, a local cannery packed produce for the Blue Boy label as
>> well as generic labels. We also had a processing plant that manufactured
>> foods for Ocean Spray, Kraft, Heinz, and many generic labels. I had friends
>> who worked in both plants who told me what I had long suspected: the lower
>> the label, the more crap that went in.
>
>Are you saying one plant was less quality conscious than the other? That's
>entirely possible. Or are you saying 'lower' label brands from the same
>plant have 'more crap'? If you mean the later, it's just not true. Once a
>line is set up, it isn't changed for different brands. The only difference
>is the label. The line producing Kraft is going to be no different when they
>put a "Krapt" label on it.

All the name brands (Green Giant, Del Monte, White Rose, etc,) are essentially
of equal quality, even the store brands, as those are exactly the same, made on
the same line, but with the store brand label. But the *generics* are of
significantly lesser quality, that's where the poorer crops are used... the
generics have the same nutritional value, but the appearance and texture is of
lesser quality.

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On 2004-08-24, pennyaline > wrote:
>
> When I was young, a local cannery packed produce for the Blue Boy label as
> well as generic labels. We also had a processing plant that manufactured
> foods for Ocean Spray, Kraft, Heinz, and many generic labels. I had friends
> who worked in both plants who told me what I had long suspected: the lower
> the label, the more crap that went in.

Are you saying one plant was less quality conscious than the other? That's
entirely possible. Or are you saying 'lower' label brands from the same
plant have 'more crap'? If you mean the later, it's just not true. Once a
line is set up, it isn't changed for different brands. The only difference
is the label. The line producing Kraft is going to be no different when they
put a "Krapt" label on it.

nb

notbob wrote:
>
> On 2004-08-24, PENMART01 > wrote:
>
> > I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only do
> > frozen?
>
> I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.

You just have to figure they're the same company. Like, both owned
by Kraft or Sara Lee/whatever.

nancy

"notbob" wrote:
> PENMART01 wrote:
>
> > I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only
do
> > frozen?
>
> I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.

When I was young, a local cannery packed produce for the Blue Boy label as
well as generic labels. We also had a processing plant that manufactured
foods for Ocean Spray, Kraft, Heinz, and many generic labels. I had friends
who worked in both plants who told me what I had long suspected: the lower
the label, the more crap that went in.

It's no different now. However I am VERY surprised to pick up a package of
high end name brand veggies and find it full of mush and stems. I don't pay
top dollar for crap. That's one of the reasons I can and freeze.

<I'll determine the quality of my own food, thanks very much>

On 2004-08-24, PENMART01 > wrote:

> I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only do
> frozen?

I'm sure you are correct. I think I meant Green Giant.

nb

>notbob writes:
>
>>xrongor wrote:
>>
>> pick any vegetable or fruit that comes in a can. go down and buy a
>> 'premium' brand and an el cheapo brand. you think its a coincidence that
>> the beans in the expensive brand look so much better than the ones in the
>> cheapie can? and have much less stems/skin/flack on them?
>
>
>Quality can not be determined by the label on the can. For example, I
>recently complained to Del Monte because their sweet relish had taken on an
>unacceptable off flavor. Also, when I worked at a ancient little cannery in
>Oregon, we put out some of the finest canned veggies on the market, all
>labeled with a brand name I'm sure no one here has ever heard of. Heck, I
>don't even remember it. Sure, some premium brands tend to keep a high
>minimum standard (Birdseye is pretty consistent), but it is no guarantee.

I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only do
frozen?

http://www.birdseyefoods.com/birdseye


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Sheldon
````````````

>notbob writes:
>
>>xrongor wrote:
>>
>> pick any vegetable or fruit that comes in a can. go down and buy a
>> 'premium' brand and an el cheapo brand. you think its a coincidence that
>> the beans in the expensive brand look so much better than the ones in the
>> cheapie can? and have much less stems/skin/flack on them?
>
>
>Quality can not be determined by the label on the can. For example, I
>recently complained to Del Monte because their sweet relish had taken on an
>unacceptable off flavor. Also, when I worked at a ancient little cannery in
>Oregon, we put out some of the finest canned veggies on the market, all
>labeled with a brand name I'm sure no one here has ever heard of. Heck, I
>don't even remember it. Sure, some premium brands tend to keep a high
>minimum standard (Birdseye is pretty consistent), but it is no guarantee.

I've never seen the Birdseye name on any canned foods... don't they only do
frozen?

http://www.birdseyefoods.com/birdseye


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---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =---
*********
"Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation."
Sheldon
````````````