Scott wrote:
> In article > ,
> "Trendon \(bPstyles\)" > wrote:
>
>
>>I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
>>joke,
>
>
> Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
> me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>
>
>
Yup. Their ISP service is good but the news servers SUCK!

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

"Scott" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Trendon \(bPstyles\)" > wrote:
>
> > I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
> > joke,
>
> Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
> me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>
>

LOL! Yep.

I remembered a free one once before that was functionable, but I have since
forgotten which one it was and trying to find it again will be difficult

> --
> to respond, change "spamless.invalid" with "optonline.net"
> please mail OT responses only

"Scott" > wrote in message
...
> In article > ,
> "Trendon \(bPstyles\)" > wrote:
>
> > I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
> > joke,
>
> Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
> me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>
>

LOL! Yep.

I remembered a free one once before that was functionable, but I have since
forgotten which one it was and trying to find it again will be difficult

> --
> to respond, change "spamless.invalid" with "optonline.net"
> please mail OT responses only

Trendon (bPstyles) wrote:

>>Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
>>me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>>
>>
>
>
> LOL! Yep.
>
> I remembered a free one once before that was functionable, but I have since
> forgotten which one it was and trying to find it again will be difficult

I'm with Optonline too. For a news server I use news.individual.NET
It doesn't host binaries but it's a h*ll of a lot better than
optonline's servers.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Trendon (bPstyles) wrote:

>>Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
>>me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>>
>>
>
>
> LOL! Yep.
>
> I remembered a free one once before that was functionable, but I have since
> forgotten which one it was and trying to find it again will be difficult

I'm with Optonline too. For a news server I use news.individual.NET
It doesn't host binaries but it's a h*ll of a lot better than
optonline's servers.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Trendon \(bPstyles\) > wrote:
>.... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare minimum.
>I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
>joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
>spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the stainless
>steel grates.

I paid $50 extra to get one with bare cast iron (Home Depot
only had the porcelainized ones as their "stock" model).

Whether it gives me a significantly better sear I don't know
because I never used the porcelainized ones or the stainless
ones, but the cast iron ones certainly don't disappoint in
that regard.

--Blair
"I like my grill marks with a little
steak in the middle..."

Trendon \(bPstyles\) > wrote:
>.... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare minimum.
>I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
>joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
>spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the stainless
>steel grates.

I paid $50 extra to get one with bare cast iron (Home Depot
only had the porcelainized ones as their "stock" model).

Whether it gives me a significantly better sear I don't know
because I never used the porcelainized ones or the stainless
ones, but the cast iron ones certainly don't disappoint in
that regard.

--Blair
"I like my grill marks with a little
steak in the middle..."

"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
...
> Trendon \(bPstyles\) > wrote:
> >.... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare
minimum.
> >I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
> >joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
> >spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the
stainless
> >steel grates.
>
> I paid $50 extra to get one with bare cast iron (Home Depot
> only had the porcelainized ones as their "stock" model).
>
> Whether it gives me a significantly better sear I don't know
> because I never used the porcelainized ones or the stainless
> ones, but the cast iron ones certainly don't disappoint in
> that regard.

OK, I worked for True Value for years and we never had the cast iron, thus,
I never dealt with that. On an aside, one thing I loved about working with
Webers is that the customer service Weber has is unreal. They don't mess
around with the customer and haggle over things. If your regulator is broke
and you call 'e,. they send you a new one.

>
> --Blair
> "I like my grill marks with a little
> steak in the middle..."

"Steve Calvin" > wrote in message
...
> Scott wrote:
>> In article > ,
>> "Trendon \(bPstyles\)" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
>>>joke,
>>
>>
>> Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
>> me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>>
>>
>>
> Yup. Their ISP service is good but the news servers SUCK!
>
> --
Tech support sucks too. Unless you are somewhat computer savvy, get aol.

Kswck wrote:


>>>
>>>Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
>>>me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yup. Their ISP service is good but the news servers SUCK!
>>
>>--
>
> Tech support sucks too. Unless you are somewhat computer savvy, get aol.
>
>

I am "computer savvy" but even if I weren't I would use aohell. I've
seen it at friends houses. I don't see where it "buys" you anything.
JMO. YMMV.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Kswck wrote:


>>>
>>>Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
>>>me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yup. Their ISP service is good but the news servers SUCK!
>>
>>--
>
> Tech support sucks too. Unless you are somewhat computer savvy, get aol.
>
>

I am "computer savvy" but even if I weren't I would use aohell. I've
seen it at friends houses. I don't see where it "buys" you anything.
JMO. YMMV.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

I agree. The ignitor quit on mine and I called them to order a new
one. They sent me a free replacement, no hassles. Great customer
service!!

Steve




On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:23:08 GMT, "Trendon \(bPstyles\)"
> wrote:

>
>"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Trendon \(bPstyles\) > wrote:
>> >.... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare
>minimum.
>> >I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
>> >joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
>> >spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the
>stainless
>> >steel grates.
>>
>> I paid $50 extra to get one with bare cast iron (Home Depot
>> only had the porcelainized ones as their "stock" model).
>>
>> Whether it gives me a significantly better sear I don't know
>> because I never used the porcelainized ones or the stainless
>> ones, but the cast iron ones certainly don't disappoint in
>> that regard.
>
>OK, I worked for True Value for years and we never had the cast iron, thus,
>I never dealt with that. On an aside, one thing I loved about working with
>Webers is that the customer service Weber has is unreal. They don't mess
>around with the customer and haggle over things. If your regulator is broke
>and you call 'e,. they send you a new one.
>
>>
>> --Blair
>> "I like my grill marks with a little
>> steak in the middle..."
>

I agree. The ignitor quit on mine and I called them to order a new
one. They sent me a free replacement, no hassles. Great customer
service!!

Steve




On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:23:08 GMT, "Trendon \(bPstyles\)"
> wrote:

>
>"Blair P. Houghton" > wrote in message
.. .
>> Trendon \(bPstyles\) > wrote:
>> >.... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare
>minimum.
>> >I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
>> >joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
>> >spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the
>stainless
>> >steel grates.
>>
>> I paid $50 extra to get one with bare cast iron (Home Depot
>> only had the porcelainized ones as their "stock" model).
>>
>> Whether it gives me a significantly better sear I don't know
>> because I never used the porcelainized ones or the stainless
>> ones, but the cast iron ones certainly don't disappoint in
>> that regard.
>
>OK, I worked for True Value for years and we never had the cast iron, thus,
>I never dealt with that. On an aside, one thing I loved about working with
>Webers is that the customer service Weber has is unreal. They don't mess
>around with the customer and haggle over things. If your regulator is broke
>and you call 'e,. they send you a new one.
>
>>
>> --Blair
>> "I like my grill marks with a little
>> steak in the middle..."
>

haole wrote:

> I agree. The ignitor quit on mine and I called them to order a new
> one. They sent me a free replacement, no hassles. Great customer
> service!!
>
> Steve
>
>

I lent my Weber Silver Genesis to some folks having a party. I never
registered the grill with Weber. The folks that borrowed it dropped it
and broke the lid. (the hinges snapped) They said that they'd replace
it so no problem.

They called Weber, gave them my name and the model number as well as
telling them the truth about how the lid got broken. Weber not only
sent a new one free of charge but also sent a service guy to put it on
and take the old one away.

Unbelieveable. Which is why I'm sitting here very impatiently waiting
for my Weber Smokey Mountain to be delivered. (tap, tap, tap)

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Steve Calvin wrote:

> I lent my Weber Silver Genesis to some folks having a party. I never
> registered the grill with Weber. The folks that borrowed it dropped
> it and broke the lid. (the hinges snapped) They said that they'd
> replace it so no problem.
>
> They called Weber, gave them my name and the model number as well as
> telling them the truth about how the lid got broken. Weber not only
> sent a new one free of charge but also sent a service guy to put it
> on and take the old one away.
>
> Unbelieveable. Which is why I'm sitting here very impatiently waiting
> for my Weber Smokey Mountain to be delivered. (tap, tap, tap)

Considering how well-made their products are and how reasonably priced,
Weber customer service is just amazing.

The only thing they really should look into is beefing packaging for
grills shipped by UPS. Some of the guys on AFB reported dents and such
from the rough handling, due to the boxes being designed for store
usage. Fortunately my WSM came through unscathed.


Brian

Steve Calvin wrote:

> I lent my Weber Silver Genesis to some folks having a party. I never
> registered the grill with Weber. The folks that borrowed it dropped
> it and broke the lid. (the hinges snapped) They said that they'd
> replace it so no problem.
>
> They called Weber, gave them my name and the model number as well as
> telling them the truth about how the lid got broken. Weber not only
> sent a new one free of charge but also sent a service guy to put it
> on and take the old one away.
>
> Unbelieveable. Which is why I'm sitting here very impatiently waiting
> for my Weber Smokey Mountain to be delivered. (tap, tap, tap)

Considering how well-made their products are and how reasonably priced,
Weber customer service is just amazing.

The only thing they really should look into is beefing packaging for
grills shipped by UPS. Some of the guys on AFB reported dents and such
from the rough handling, due to the boxes being designed for store
usage. Fortunately my WSM came through unscathed.


Brian

Default User wrote:
>
> Considering how well-made their products are and how reasonably priced,
> Weber customer service is just amazing.
>
> The only thing they really should look into is beefing packaging for
> grills shipped by UPS. Some of the guys on AFB reported dents and such
> from the rough handling, due to the boxes being designed for store
> usage. Fortunately my WSM came through unscathed.
>
>
> Brian

Yep, my WSM came through UPS with flying colors. It was delivered
about 6:00 this evening. It's assembled and ready for me to do a trial
burn tomorrow. :-)

I do see a few things that I need to "mod" though. ;-)

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Default User wrote:
>
> Considering how well-made their products are and how reasonably priced,
> Weber customer service is just amazing.
>
> The only thing they really should look into is beefing packaging for
> grills shipped by UPS. Some of the guys on AFB reported dents and such
> from the rough handling, due to the boxes being designed for store
> usage. Fortunately my WSM came through unscathed.
>
>
> Brian

Yep, my WSM came through UPS with flying colors. It was delivered
about 6:00 this evening. It's assembled and ready for me to do a trial
burn tomorrow. :-)

I do see a few things that I need to "mod" though. ;-)

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Steve Calvin wrote:

> Yep, my WSM came through UPS with flying colors. It was delivered
> about 6:00 this evening. It's assembled and ready for me to do a
> trial burn tomorrow. :-)

Great, have fun.



Brian

"Trendon (bPstyles)" > wrote in message
. net...
>
> "sf" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:04:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > sf > wrote:
> > > >On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> replaced the flavor bars
> > > >
> > > >What's a flavor bar?
> > >
> > > A piece of metal folded into a V along its length and
> > > inverted over the burners to keep grease from falling
> > > directly onto the flame. They're there to prevent
> > > constant flareups.
> > >
> > > They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
> > > grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
> > > to the box.
>
> .... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare minimum.
> I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
> joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
> spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the stainless
> steel grates.

I have to disagree. The thin stainless grates they use now are not worth the extra bucks. Cast iron has much greater
thermal mass and provides a more even heating surface. The flavorizer bars, IMO, are better in stainless. However, I
would personally go with the Genesis Silver series and replace the porcelain flavorizer bars with stainless after they
rust through (probably 6-7 years down the road). I don't think the Genesis Gold offers anything worthwhile, other than
an extra flip up work surface.

"RahRah" > wrote in message ...
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>

I had a Weber Genesis Silver A for 4 years. It was a terrific grill. I had only 3 minor problems with it. A weld came
loose on the little wire basket that holds the drip pan, which was really not a problem, but I wanted it corrected.
Weber replaced that at no cost to me. The warming tray got a little rusty (I rarely used it) and they replaced that too
at no cost to me. Also, the igniter finally gave out after 4 years. This part was out of warranty and cost me 10 dollars
to replace. So, it cost me 10 bucks on top of the purchase price to use this grill heavily for 4 years, stored outside,
and it cooks as well today as it did the day I bought it. A friend is now happily using it.

Based on that experience, I upgraded to a Summit Gold A. So far, it's been a very good grill. The only thing I don't
like about it is the stainless grates. They are thin and don't hold a lot of heat. I had cast iron grates on the
Genesis, which were wonderful. I will likely purchase cast-iron replacement grates for the new Weber (the Summit Gold
uses the same size grate as the Genesis B and C - just 3 instead of 2).

Weber support is absolutely fantastic. They're available 24-7, and the warranty is excellent. Aside from the stainless
grates, I strongly recommend Weber.

"RahRah" > wrote in message ...
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>

I had a Weber Genesis Silver A for 4 years. It was a terrific grill. I had only 3 minor problems with it. A weld came
loose on the little wire basket that holds the drip pan, which was really not a problem, but I wanted it corrected.
Weber replaced that at no cost to me. The warming tray got a little rusty (I rarely used it) and they replaced that too
at no cost to me. Also, the igniter finally gave out after 4 years. This part was out of warranty and cost me 10 dollars
to replace. So, it cost me 10 bucks on top of the purchase price to use this grill heavily for 4 years, stored outside,
and it cooks as well today as it did the day I bought it. A friend is now happily using it.

Based on that experience, I upgraded to a Summit Gold A. So far, it's been a very good grill. The only thing I don't
like about it is the stainless grates. They are thin and don't hold a lot of heat. I had cast iron grates on the
Genesis, which were wonderful. I will likely purchase cast-iron replacement grates for the new Weber (the Summit Gold
uses the same size grate as the Genesis B and C - just 3 instead of 2).

Weber support is absolutely fantastic. They're available 24-7, and the warranty is excellent. Aside from the stainless
grates, I strongly recommend Weber.

Weber gas grills are well thought out, especially the three burner
models. However, they aren't hot enough. They won't cook a steak with
the lid up, and char the surface of the meat.
On the other hand, no other gas grill will either, except possibly the
infrared grills.
If you're a steak griller, you are much better off with a charcoal
weber, especially the performer with the gas lighter. I have a 22" weber
performer and a silver genesis B in the patio. I use the charcoal grill
90% of the time, not only for steak, but for fowl, roasts, and almost
everything else. I use the gas grill for fish, and for hamburgers at
noon.
Finally, consider your needs. What do you cook? When do you do it? Are
you retired? Or, do you come home from work and have to eat in a hurry?
Good Luck to all.
Kent



RahRah wrote:
>
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.

Weber gas grills are well thought out, especially the three burner
models. However, they aren't hot enough. They won't cook a steak with
the lid up, and char the surface of the meat.
On the other hand, no other gas grill will either, except possibly the
infrared grills.
If you're a steak griller, you are much better off with a charcoal
weber, especially the performer with the gas lighter. I have a 22" weber
performer and a silver genesis B in the patio. I use the charcoal grill
90% of the time, not only for steak, but for fowl, roasts, and almost
everything else. I use the gas grill for fish, and for hamburgers at
noon.
Finally, consider your needs. What do you cook? When do you do it? Are
you retired? Or, do you come home from work and have to eat in a hurry?
Good Luck to all.
Kent



RahRah wrote:
>
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.

Weber gas grills are well thought out, especially the three burner
models. However, they aren't hot enough. They won't cook a steak with
the lid up, and char the surface of the meat.
On the other hand, no other gas grill will either, except possibly the
infrared grills.
If you're a steak griller, you are much better off with a charcoal
weber, especially the performer with the gas lighter. I have a 22" weber
performer and a silver genesis B in the patio. I use the charcoal grill
90% of the time, not only for steak, but for fowl, roasts, and almost
everything else. I use the gas grill for fish, and for hamburgers at
noon.
Finally, consider your needs. What do you cook? When do you do it? Are
you retired? Or, do you come home from work and have to eat in a hurry?
Good Luck to all.
Kent



RahRah wrote:
>
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.

"Kent H." > wrote in message ...
> Weber gas grills are well thought out, especially the three burner
> models. However, they aren't hot enough.
<snip>
> I have a 22" weber
> performer and a silver genesis B in the patio.

What grates does your Genesis have? Regular cast iron, porcelain cast iron, or porcelain steel?

"Kent H." > wrote in message ...
> Weber gas grills are well thought out, especially the three burner
> models. However, they aren't hot enough.
<snip>
> I have a 22" weber
> performer and a silver genesis B in the patio.

What grates does your Genesis have? Regular cast iron, porcelain cast iron, or porcelain steel?

Kent H. > wrote:
>Weber gas grills are well thought out, especially the three burner
>models. However, they aren't hot enough. They won't cook a steak with
>the lid up,

So close the lid. I do. My steaks come out perfect unless
I misjudge the age and fat content (long-frozen, low-fat
steak cooks faster than fresh marbled steak).

Just leave the thing on High until the needle goes off
the thermometer scale, then leave it a couple more minutes.

Three to four minutes per side (medium-rare to medium for a
1-inch USDA Choice steak).

Throw a pasilla pepper in when you put on the steak, and
flip them at the same time, then when the steak is resting
(under foil) you can seed and skin the pepper, dice it,
and use it as a steak condiment.

>and char the surface of the meat.

Mine sears wonderful grill marks into steaks. I give each
steak a thin slather of EVOO and a good coat of salt and
a sprinkle of coarsely, freshly ground pepper.

I added spears of zucchini with the same treatment plus a
little italian herb seasoning last time, and it was fantastic.

>On the other hand, no other gas grill will either, except possibly the
>infrared grills.

If you want a true "Pittsburgh" steak, then yes, you
need real charcoal within millimeters of the meat, or gas
burners like a wok station.

>Finally, consider your needs. What do you cook? When do you do it? Are
>you retired? Or, do you come home from work and have to eat in a hurry?

My last grill meal was a steak (thawed), zucchini, and
pasilla pepper, and the whole thing took 1 hour from
removing the grill tarp to putting it back on with all
dishes in the dishwasher.

--Blair
"And I didn't miss more than a minute
of the ballgame."

Kent H. > wrote:
>Weber gas grills are well thought out, especially the three burner
>models. However, they aren't hot enough. They won't cook a steak with
>the lid up,

So close the lid. I do. My steaks come out perfect unless
I misjudge the age and fat content (long-frozen, low-fat
steak cooks faster than fresh marbled steak).

Just leave the thing on High until the needle goes off
the thermometer scale, then leave it a couple more minutes.

Three to four minutes per side (medium-rare to medium for a
1-inch USDA Choice steak).

Throw a pasilla pepper in when you put on the steak, and
flip them at the same time, then when the steak is resting
(under foil) you can seed and skin the pepper, dice it,
and use it as a steak condiment.

>and char the surface of the meat.

Mine sears wonderful grill marks into steaks. I give each
steak a thin slather of EVOO and a good coat of salt and
a sprinkle of coarsely, freshly ground pepper.

I added spears of zucchini with the same treatment plus a
little italian herb seasoning last time, and it was fantastic.

>On the other hand, no other gas grill will either, except possibly the
>infrared grills.

If you want a true "Pittsburgh" steak, then yes, you
need real charcoal within millimeters of the meat, or gas
burners like a wok station.

>Finally, consider your needs. What do you cook? When do you do it? Are
>you retired? Or, do you come home from work and have to eat in a hurry?

My last grill meal was a steak (thawed), zucchini, and
pasilla pepper, and the whole thing took 1 hour from
removing the grill tarp to putting it back on with all
dishes in the dishwasher.

--Blair
"And I didn't miss more than a minute
of the ballgame."