Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.

"RahRah" > wrote in
:

> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>
>
>

What ever Grill you buy get one with as many burners as possible. Since
indirect and rotissoring require flexibility in burner configurations.

There is also the great stainless steel VS cast iron burner debate...which
one lasts longer. And the flavour bar/lava rocks concerns...

--
Last year's nuts must go.
- Michael Odom

"RahRah" > wrote in
:

> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>
>
>

What ever Grill you buy get one with as many burners as possible. Since
indirect and rotissoring require flexibility in burner configurations.

There is also the great stainless steel VS cast iron burner debate...which
one lasts longer. And the flavour bar/lava rocks concerns...

--
Last year's nuts must go.
- Michael Odom

"RahRah" > wrote in message
...
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>
>
You can't go wrong with a weber. I just replaced my weber genesis 1000 that
was 16 years old with a new summit, and I just love it. Plus customer
service is great.
Bill

"RahRah" > wrote in message
...
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>
>
You can't go wrong with a weber. I just replaced my weber genesis 1000 that
was 16 years old with a new summit, and I just love it. Plus customer
service is great.
Bill

Bill T wrote:

> "RahRah" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>>
>>
>
> You can't go wrong with a weber. I just replaced my weber genesis 1000 that
> was 16 years old with a new summit, and I just love it. Plus customer
> service is great.
> Bill
>
>
I've had my Genisis Silver for 6 years. Sits outside all year and we
get some nasty winters. I use it year round and it's still working
*almost* like new. I've used it so much that I need to replace the
flavorizer bars and porclean grates for next year. I wouldn't have to
but it's personal preference.

For them $, I don't think that they can be beat. Fantastic customer
service as well.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Bill T wrote:

> "RahRah" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>>
>>
>
> You can't go wrong with a weber. I just replaced my weber genesis 1000 that
> was 16 years old with a new summit, and I just love it. Plus customer
> service is great.
> Bill
>
>
I've had my Genisis Silver for 6 years. Sits outside all year and we
get some nasty winters. I use it year round and it's still working
*almost* like new. I've used it so much that I need to replace the
flavorizer bars and porclean grates for next year. I wouldn't have to
but it's personal preference.

For them $, I don't think that they can be beat. Fantastic customer
service as well.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Bill T wrote:

> > You can't go wrong with a weber. I just replaced my weber genesis 1000 that
> > was 16 years old with a new summit, and I just love it. Plus customer
> > service is great.
> > Bill
> >
> >
> I've had my Genisis Silver for 6 years. Sits outside all year and we
> get some nasty winters. I use it year round and it's still working
> *almost* like new. I've used it so much that I need to replace the
> flavorizer bars and porclean grates for next year. I wouldn't have to
> but it's personal preference.
>
> For them $, I don't think that they can be beat. Fantastic customer
> service as well.

I faced resistance when I decided to get one. Resistance meaning
gritted teeth trying really hard to say NO WAY. Hey, the man ain't
stupid. I wanted it, I got it. Now, you will have to take my word
for it, have suitable transportation to bring it home. Long story.

Anyway, I have put together *many* a grill. I'm meticulous about
that, but after say, 3 years the wheels are all wobbly, the grates
are crap, blah blah blah. Bill, this thing has to be ... geez,
easily 7 years old. Perfect like day one. Perfect. I especially
liked the part where the gas assembly was done at the factory. That
is the one part I did not care to do.

It cost more initially, but I'd be on my third grill by now if I'd
cheaped out. It's worth it.

nancy

Steve Calvin wrote:
>
> Bill T wrote:

> > You can't go wrong with a weber. I just replaced my weber genesis 1000 that
> > was 16 years old with a new summit, and I just love it. Plus customer
> > service is great.
> > Bill
> >
> >
> I've had my Genisis Silver for 6 years. Sits outside all year and we
> get some nasty winters. I use it year round and it's still working
> *almost* like new. I've used it so much that I need to replace the
> flavorizer bars and porclean grates for next year. I wouldn't have to
> but it's personal preference.
>
> For them $, I don't think that they can be beat. Fantastic customer
> service as well.

I faced resistance when I decided to get one. Resistance meaning
gritted teeth trying really hard to say NO WAY. Hey, the man ain't
stupid. I wanted it, I got it. Now, you will have to take my word
for it, have suitable transportation to bring it home. Long story.

Anyway, I have put together *many* a grill. I'm meticulous about
that, but after say, 3 years the wheels are all wobbly, the grates
are crap, blah blah blah. Bill, this thing has to be ... geez,
easily 7 years old. Perfect like day one. Perfect. I especially
liked the part where the gas assembly was done at the factory. That
is the one part I did not care to do.

It cost more initially, but I'd be on my third grill by now if I'd
cheaped out. It's worth it.

nancy

"RahRah" > wrote in message
...
> Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>
Couple of things to consider:

Indirect v. Direct heating. DO your homework on both.

Does the grill come with a service contract? Many larger stores offer them.
They are worth it if you don't take care of the grill-sometimes even if you
do. The service contract will replace parts that rot out or fall apart
(think starters and jets).
I've had a Sears Kenmore monster grill for a couple of years. The price of
the yearly tune up and replacement parts alone (it's made overseas) is
worth the contact price alone.

Gas grills do not like water. Don't spray it down with easy-off and take the
hose to it. It will damage it-and possibly invalidate the service contract.

If you have a contract, just before it ends, get a tune up and have them
replace as many parts as you can talk them into-it should last a few more
years that way.

"Kswck" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "RahRah" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> > considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
> >
> Couple of things to consider:
>
> Indirect v. Direct heating. DO your homework on both.
>
> Does the grill come with a service contract? Many larger stores offer
them.
> They are worth it if you don't take care of the grill-sometimes even if
you
> do. The service contract will replace parts that rot out or fall apart
> (think starters and jets).
> I've had a Sears Kenmore monster grill for a couple of years. The price of
> the yearly tune up and replacement parts alone (it's made overseas) is
> worth the contact price alone.
>
The grill is billed as stainless steel-the parts however, are Not stainless
steel-they rust.

"Kswck" > wrote in message
et...
>
> "RahRah" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> > considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
> >
> Couple of things to consider:
>
> Indirect v. Direct heating. DO your homework on both.
>
> Does the grill come with a service contract? Many larger stores offer
them.
> They are worth it if you don't take care of the grill-sometimes even if
you
> do. The service contract will replace parts that rot out or fall apart
> (think starters and jets).
> I've had a Sears Kenmore monster grill for a couple of years. The price of
> the yearly tune up and replacement parts alone (it's made overseas) is
> worth the contact price alone.
>
The grill is billed as stainless steel-the parts however, are Not stainless
steel-they rust.

In article >,
RahRah > wrote:
>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.

I have their small portable model. I like it a lot, it cooks pretty
evenly. We grille marinaded chicken on it once or twice a month.
The only problem is that if the flame goes out, and you try to
re-ignite it using that pushbutton spark thing, you can get an
explosion that will lift the lid 3 feet into the air. Oddly, the
explosion does nothing to the food, just pressurizes the interior
momentarily.

Since then I've seen several reports of others experiencing this.
It's not harmful, and you get an explosion only if the air/gas ratio
is just right inside.

-A

Kswck wrote:
> "Kswck" > wrote in message
> et...
>
>>"RahRah" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>>>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>>>
>>
>>Couple of things to consider:
>>
>>Indirect v. Direct heating. DO your homework on both.
>>
>>Does the grill come with a service contract? Many larger stores offer
>
> them.
>
>>They are worth it if you don't take care of the grill-sometimes even if
>
> you
>
>>do. The service contract will replace parts that rot out or fall apart
>>(think starters and jets).
>>I've had a Sears Kenmore monster grill for a couple of years. The price of
>>the yearly tune up and replacement parts alone (it's made overseas) is
>>worth the contact price alone.
>>
>
> The grill is billed as stainless steel-the parts however, are Not stainless
> steel-they rust.
>
>
Do either of you "guys" actually have a Weber?? From the comments, I
seriously doubt it. Absolutely none of this applies to the Weber brand
of Genesis models. 6 years, out all year, rain, snow, everything.
Not one bit of rust anywhere and nothing has ever broken. Ditto with a
friend of mines, and he's had his for 7 or 8 years.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

In article >, (axlq)
wrote:

> In article >,
> RahRah > wrote:
> >Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
> >considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>
> I have their small portable model. I like it a lot, it cooks pretty
> evenly. We grille marinaded chicken on it once or twice a month.
> The only problem is that if the flame goes out, and you try to
> re-ignite it using that pushbutton spark thing, you can get an
> explosion that will lift the lid 3 feet into the air. Oddly, the
> explosion does nothing to the food, just pressurizes the interior
> momentarily.

We have had a Weber Silver Genesis for about 3 years, and we have never
seen such an explosion. Usually, if the flame goes out, I lift the lid
to let any accumulated gas dissipate before hitting the igniter button
again.

My big gripe with our Weber is that it is hard to hold a stable
temperature at low settings. I know that for low-and-slow BBQ, a gas
grill is not a perfect substitute for a wood-fired smoker. But we don't
have a smoker, and sometimes I like to cook ribs and chicken at low
temp, about 275 F. At this temp, an aluminum foil tray of hickory chips
sitting on the gas burners will smoke nicely and impart a bit of flavor
to the food. I've tried many combinations of settings for the burners
(with 1, 2, or 3 of them on at varying levels), but the grill just does
not like to stay near 275. The temp drifts up and down unpredictably,
and I have to monitor it closely and ride the knobs.

Maybe our regulator is bad. One of these days I will call Weber's
hotline and ask for advice.

--
Julian Vrieslander

Julian Vrieslander wrote:

>
>
> We have had a Weber Silver Genesis for about 3 years, and we have never
> seen such an explosion. Usually, if the flame goes out, I lift the lid
> to let any accumulated gas dissipate before hitting the igniter button
> again.
>
> My big gripe with our Weber is that it is hard to hold a stable
> temperature at low settings. I know that for low-and-slow BBQ, a gas
> grill is not a perfect substitute for a wood-fired smoker. But we don't
> have a smoker, and sometimes I like to cook ribs and chicken at low
> temp, about 275 F. At this temp, an aluminum foil tray of hickory chips
> sitting on the gas burners will smoke nicely and impart a bit of flavor
> to the food. I've tried many combinations of settings for the burners
> (with 1, 2, or 3 of them on at varying levels), but the grill just does
> not like to stay near 275. The temp drifts up and down unpredictably,
> and I have to monitor it closely and ride the knobs.
>
> Maybe our regulator is bad. One of these days I will call Weber's
> hotline and ask for advice.
>

I've never had my burners go out once.

As for the "low and slow". I just started doing that this year. While
it is possible to do I wouldn't recommend it. I've got my Genesis so
gunked up from doing cooks like that this year alone that I need to
give it a serious cleaning, replace the flavorizer bars and grates,
to get the grease out. As a medium to high temperature grill, it's
great though and stays relatively clean. As a "low and slow", while
do-able I wouldn't recommend it.

You can regulate it low if you put *only* the back burner on and prop
the lid open with a brick. Then adjust the back burner only until you
reach the temp. that you're after. I'd also advise to put an oven
thermometer directly on the grates in the front of the grill which is
where you want to put the ribs or whatever. Wind conditions will
definitely affect the temperature though no matter what unit you're
using.

I just bought a Weber Smokey Mountain from amazon.com for $154. No tax
or delivery charges using promo code AUGUSTPROMOS until this Tuesday.

BOB on afb posted some info that you can also get one from cooking.com
for $143.96 with the promo code of C99894. Free shipping but I don't
know about the taxes.

I'm to the point where I want to grill as well as BBQ and have finally
realized that they are totally different techniques and require
different equipment. "Right tool for the right job." Besides, now
I'll be able to do both types of cooking at the same time.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:02:48 GMT, "RahRah" > wrote:

>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>

Bought my Weber Genisis 9 years ago...replaced the flavor bars this
year. No other problems. Should be good for another 9 years.

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> wrote:

> replaced the flavor bars

What's a flavor bar?

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

sf > wrote in
:

> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > wrote:
>
>> replaced the flavor bars
>
> What's a flavor bar?
>
> sf
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

Those metal bars that have replaced the lava rocks. Seems they work just
fine.

--
Last year's nuts must go.
- Michael Odom

RahRah > wrote:
>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.

I have a Summit Silver C and it's the shiznit.

--Blair
"You won't be disappointed."

hahabogus > wrote:
>
>There is also the great stainless steel VS cast iron burner debate...which
>one lasts longer. And the flavour bar/lava rocks concerns...

If you use them regularly, they'll both last the same
amount of time. If you don't, the cast iron will rust
through several years before the stainless one will.

--Blair
"Debate?"

sf > wrote:
>On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> wrote:
>
>> replaced the flavor bars
>
>What's a flavor bar?

A piece of metal folded into a V along its length and
inverted over the burners to keep grease from falling
directly onto the flame. They're there to prevent
constant flareups.

They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
to the box.

It's marketing, turning a hassle into a hype.

--Blair
"My grill calls me."

Blair puzzled me when he wrote:
>I have a Summit Silver C and it's the shiznit.
------------------------------------
So, is that good or bad ??

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> hahabogus > wrote:
>
>>There is also the great stainless steel VS cast iron burner debate...which
>>one lasts longer. And the flavour bar/lava rocks concerns...
>
>
> If you use them regularly, they'll both last the same
> amount of time. If you don't, the cast iron will rust
> through several years before the stainless one will.
>
> --Blair
> "Debate?"
Not true. I use our grill at least every other day in the spring,
summer, and fall. Winter, maybe not as much. The cast iron grates rust
in this area. I don't care how well you take care of them, they're
gonna rust.

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.

In rec.food.cooking, Steve Calvin > wrote:

> Not true. I use our grill at least every other day in the spring,
> summer, and fall. Winter, maybe not as much. The cast iron grates rust
> in this area. I don't care how well you take care of them, they're
> gonna rust.

How exactly do you "take care" of them?

Do you clean them after every use?

--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...

- The Who

Nancree > wrote:
>Blair puzzled me when he wrote:
>>I have a Summit Silver C and it's the shiznit.
>------------------------------------
>So, is that good or bad ??

Actually, it's a Genesis Silver C, and it's ginchy.

--Blair
"And the burner elements are tubular."

> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:02:48 GMT, "RahRah" > wrote:
>
>>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.

Weber makes a good grill. Before you decide, look around at some of the
better brands carried by propane dealers or outdoor living places.

The original series of Vermont Castings, Ellipse, MHP (Modern Home Products)
have equal or better grills in the same price category. They may have other
features that will be important to you.
Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

It might be worth a trip to the library to check out Consumer Reports. They
did a comparison of gas grills not long ago. That one step might save you
money and grief in the long run.

"Allan Matthews" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 14:02:48 GMT, "RahRah" > wrote:
>
>>Please tell me about your experiences with their gas grills. I am
>>considering purchasing a Summit Gold D model.
>>
>
> Bought my Weber Genisis 9 years ago...replaced the flavor bars this
> year. No other problems. Should be good for another 9 years.

In rec.food.cooking, GoombaP > wrote:
> It might be worth a trip to the library to check out Consumer Reports. They
> did a comparison of gas grills not long ago. That one step might save you
> money and grief in the long run.


Consumer Reports knows nothing. Their methodology is suspect, and their
criteria are generally irrelevant.

Read a report on a product you know a lot about, what ever it is.
Fishing rods? Stereo equipment? Computers? Coffee makers?

Then scratch your head, and say "What the hell are they talking about?
Why did I ever trust these bozos?".


--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...

- The Who

In rec.food.cooking, GoombaP > wrote:
> It might be worth a trip to the library to check out Consumer Reports. They
> did a comparison of gas grills not long ago. That one step might save you
> money and grief in the long run.


Consumer Reports knows nothing. Their methodology is suspect, and their
criteria are generally irrelevant.

Read a report on a product you know a lot about, what ever it is.
Fishing rods? Stereo equipment? Computers? Coffee makers?

Then scratch your head, and say "What the hell are they talking about?
Why did I ever trust these bozos?".


--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...

- The Who

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:43:09 GMT, hahabogus
> wrote:

> sf > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> replaced the flavor bars
> >
> > What's a flavor bar?
> >
> > sf
> > Practice safe eating - always use condiments
>
> Those metal bars that have replaced the lava rocks. Seems they work just
> fine.

I'm so far out of the loop on that type of grill.... I had
no idea the "rocks" have been replaced!

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 21:43:09 GMT, hahabogus
> wrote:

> sf > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> replaced the flavor bars
> >
> > What's a flavor bar?
> >
> > sf
> > Practice safe eating - always use condiments
>
> Those metal bars that have replaced the lava rocks. Seems they work just
> fine.

I'm so far out of the loop on that type of grill.... I had
no idea the "rocks" have been replaced!

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:04:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
wrote:

> sf > wrote:
> >On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > wrote:
> >
> >> replaced the flavor bars
> >
> >What's a flavor bar?
>
> A piece of metal folded into a V along its length and
> inverted over the burners to keep grease from falling
> directly onto the flame. They're there to prevent
> constant flareups.
>
> They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
> grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
> to the box.
>
Aha... so that's why they're called flavor bars - thanks!

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:04:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
wrote:

> sf > wrote:
> >On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > wrote:
> >
> >> replaced the flavor bars
> >
> >What's a flavor bar?
>
> A piece of metal folded into a V along its length and
> inverted over the burners to keep grease from falling
> directly onto the flame. They're there to prevent
> constant flareups.
>
> They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
> grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
> to the box.
>
Aha... so that's why they're called flavor bars - thanks!

sf
Practice safe eating - always use condiments

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:04:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
> wrote:
>
> > sf > wrote:
> > >On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> replaced the flavor bars
> > >
> > >What's a flavor bar?
> >
> > A piece of metal folded into a V along its length and
> > inverted over the burners to keep grease from falling
> > directly onto the flame. They're there to prevent
> > constant flareups.
> >
> > They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
> > grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
> > to the box.

..... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare minimum.
I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the stainless
steel grates.

> Aha... so that's why they're called flavor bars - thanks!
>
> sf
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

"sf" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:04:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
> wrote:
>
> > sf > wrote:
> > >On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:19:50 GMT, Allan Matthews
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> replaced the flavor bars
> > >
> > >What's a flavor bar?
> >
> > A piece of metal folded into a V along its length and
> > inverted over the burners to keep grease from falling
> > directly onto the flame. They're there to prevent
> > constant flareups.
> >
> > They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
> > grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
> > to the box.

..... while keeping those always popular flame flare-ups to a bare minimum.
I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
joke, but if someone here is considering a Weber grill, may I recommend
spending the extra $50 and getting the "premium" versions with the stainless
steel grates.

> Aha... so that's why they're called flavor bars - thanks!
>
> sf
> Practice safe eating - always use condiments

In rec.food.cooking, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:04:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
> wrote:

> > They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
> > grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
> > to the box.
> >
> Aha... so that's why they're called flavor bars - thanks!

Yum! Burned grease!

--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...

- The Who

In rec.food.cooking, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:04:20 GMT, Blair P. Houghton >
> wrote:

> > They're called "flavorizer bars" because they still keep
> > grease above the heating elements to burn and add smoke
> > to the box.
> >
> Aha... so that's why they're called flavor bars - thanks!

Yum! Burned grease!

--
....I'm an air-conditioned gypsy...

- The Who

In article > ,
"Trendon \(bPstyles\)" > wrote:

> I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
> joke,

Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.



--
to respond, change "spamless.invalid" with "optonline.net"
please mail OT responses only

Scott wrote:
> In article > ,
> "Trendon \(bPstyles\)" > wrote:
>
>
>>I can't see the origin of this message because my ISP's news server is a
>>joke,
>
>
> Just seeing that line and without looking at the message headers, it hit
> me that your ISP must be Optimum Online.
>
>
>
Yup. Their ISP service is good but the news servers SUCK!

--
Steve

Love may be blind but marriage is a real eye-opener.