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"Dog3" <dognospam@adjfkdla;not> wrote in message > Now that sucks. Why couldn't the wait unit have just said something like > "This is very generous. Are you sure there is not an error? The usual tip > for good service is XX%." How hard is that? > Could be the kid left after adding the tip. The CC slip is brought to the table and all you have to do is sign. The wait person maybe did not see it until too late. Or they thought it was some rich kid that liked to show off tossing his money around. |
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Terry Pulliam Burd > wrote in
: > On 11 Sep 2004 18:13:20 -0700, (D. A.'Dutch' > Martinich) arranged random neurons, so they looked like this: > >>Pardon my triviality, but, did you mean <marron'> as in <Ë fetto >>un marron'>? >> > No, the poster meant, "maroon." It's a Bugs Bunny reference (Bugs > Bunny?) - a cartoon character who says "maroon" meaning, "moron." I always thought it was "moroon". -- German to Picasso in front of Guernica: Did you do this? Picasso to German in front of Guernica: No, it was you. |
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>Michel Boucher spoke:
>>>sumwun sed: >> No, the poster meant, "maroon." It's a Bugs Bunny reference (Bugs >> Bunny?) - a cartoon character who says "maroon" meaning, "moron." > >I always thought it was "moroon". Nah, Bugs Bunny is rural Italiano, not a KGB Rooski. hehe ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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"Dog3" wrote:
> I wrote: > > But if it's a gratuity, it's not a theft of services. > > > > The customers are being robbed, not the business. > > Actually it is considered theft of services it is on the menu. If worded > differently it would certainly be considered theft of services. IMO it's a > real grey area but it does exist. All of this plays on ignorance and laziness. This is up there with "buy 6, get one free" and "only $699 (after rebate)." There are laws against compelling individuals to pay excessive and unnecessary charges, but most of them wont help us if we blithely agree to pay. This issue isn't as cut and dried as loss leaders and bait and switch. At its heart, though, it's still a dawdle. Should a business owner be allowed to wheedle some oxymoron into standard operating procedure and then legitimize it in court by whining "contract"? I hope that some judge some where will have the stones to call it an ambiguous statement, and make the whole thing invalid. If it's an additional service charge, then call it an additional service charge. But if it's called an additional service charge, make damn sure some service above and beyond the standard was actually provided. Otherwise, it's just a gouge. |
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In article >, "jmcquown"
> wrote: I'll treat you like you are, but goddamit, > a buck fifty in change for waiting hand and foot on 8 old ladies in > big hats and being your beck & call girl for a couple of hours Now, that's a scary thought. > isn't gonna guarantee you jack but a polite smile next time around as > I walk past your table. Get your own goddamned coffee and tea. In > fact, I'll show you where the coffee station is and there are lemons > and creamer there on ice. You can keep your buck fitty. Better yet, > invite those people to your house instead; you can wait on them hand > and foot and pretend you got paid for doing so. But just think of what you saved in income tax. (Go have some iced tea and cool down, Kid.) -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 9/11/04; check the Hello tab for Fire Muster pics. |
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In article >, "jmcquown"
> wrote: I'll treat you like you are, but goddamit, > a buck fifty in change for waiting hand and foot on 8 old ladies in > big hats and being your beck & call girl for a couple of hours Now, that's a scary thought. > isn't gonna guarantee you jack but a polite smile next time around as > I walk past your table. Get your own goddamned coffee and tea. In > fact, I'll show you where the coffee station is and there are lemons > and creamer there on ice. You can keep your buck fitty. Better yet, > invite those people to your house instead; you can wait on them hand > and foot and pretend you got paid for doing so. But just think of what you saved in income tax. (Go have some iced tea and cool down, Kid.) -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> An update on 9/11/04; check the Hello tab for Fire Muster pics. |
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pennyaline wrote:
> "Melba's Jammin'" wrote: > >>You've never seen that before? It is VERY common for an 18% gratuity to >>be added to the check for any group larger than 8 (I think) around here. > > > Nope. Never seen it before. > > But then, I've never taken a party of 6 to 8 people into a restaurant > without a reservation and without having negotiated the service and > (all-inclusive) price beforehand. One can see it on many a menu, not just the menus of those folks in parties of 6 or more. Fern bar type restaurants have it (Applebees, Ruby Tuesday, etc.) as well as most chains and nicer restaurants. That you've never noticed it doesn't mean it's uncommon, because it is most certainly not. Goomba |
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Dog3 wrote:
> Melba's Jammin' > news:thisisbogus- > : > >> In article >, >> "jmcquown" > wrote: >>> and creamer there on ice. You can keep your buck fitty. Better >>> yet, invite those people to your house instead; you can wait on >>> them hand and foot and pretend you got paid for doing so. >> >> But just think of what you saved in income tax. >> (Go have some iced tea and cool down, Kid.) > Sorry - rant mode off. > Nope. The restaurants here tax you X% on your sales, not the actual > tip. Those bad tables can cause a waitperson to lose money. Allbeit > some of the people I know working upscale houses drive BMWs and > Mercedes  > > Michael Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain stupid. Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a wait-person. Jill |
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Goomba38 wrote:
> pennyaline wrote: > >> "Melba's Jammin'" wrote: >> >>> You've never seen that before? It is VERY common for an 18% gratuity to >>> be added to the check for any group larger than 8 (I think) around here. >> <snip> > One can see it on many a menu, not just the menus of those folks in > parties of 6 or more. Fern bar type restaurants have it (Applebees, Ruby > Tuesday, etc.) as well as most chains and nicer restaurants. That you've > never noticed it doesn't mean it's uncommon, because it is most > certainly not. > Goomba > We have that here. When I see it I always just pay the amount on the check. If the service was good I will "slip" the wait-person (trying to be politically correct) some cash. If it wasn't, I won't. Either way, I tell the wait-person to tell their boss that they're potentially screwing them because if the tab says that the tip is factored in then that's what people will give when in practice people may give more if the service was good and it is voluntary vs mandatory. -- Steve If the speed of light is 186,000 miles/sec., what's the speed of darkness? |
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Steve Calvin wrote:
> Goomba38 wrote: > >> pennyaline wrote: >> >>> "Melba's Jammin'" wrote: >>> >>>> You've never seen that before? It is VERY common for an 18% >>>> gratuity to >>>> be added to the check for any group larger than 8 (I think) around >>>> here. >>> >>> > <snip> > > One can see it on many a menu, not just the menus of those folks in > >> parties of 6 or more. Fern bar type restaurants have it (Applebees, >> Ruby Tuesday, etc.) as well as most chains and nicer restaurants. That >> you've never noticed it doesn't mean it's uncommon, because it is most >> certainly not. >> Goomba >> > > We have that here. When I see it I always just pay the amount on the > check. If the service was good I will "slip" the wait-person (trying to > be politically correct) some cash. If it wasn't, I won't. Either way, I > tell the wait-person to tell their boss that they're potentially > screwing them because if the tab says that the tip is factored in then > that's what people will give when in practice people may give more if > the service was good and it is voluntary vs mandatory. > As a former waiter, I favor the mandatory 15% tip for parties of 6 or more. In the end, the net result was positive for me, for I remember the many parties of 6 +, who left crappa rata for tip, or none at all. More of these than you think. I always offered excellent service beyond the call of duty. Perhaps the reason why many patrons asked for me, or wouldn't dine at the Clam Broth House in Hoboken if I was not working that day. And if I remembered a party that gave no tip or crapy tip, I would continue to provide them with the same service. The logic, perhaps they can learn a lesson on what humble and sincere is, perhaps they will get it right the second time around. Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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>pennyaline wrote:
> >I've never taken a party of 6 to 8 people into a restaurant >without a reservation and without having negotiated the service and >(all-inclusive) price beforehand. What kinda cheapskate negotiates the price limit for their guests... whaddaya do, tell your guests in advance that they can only order a choice of soup of the day or meat loaf, not both... may as well treat them to a drive-thru Happy Meal, and do the drive-thru with their car, their gas. ---= BOYCOTT FRANCE (belgium) GERMANY--SPAIN =--- ---= Move UNITED NATIONS To Paris =--- ********* "Life would be devoid of all meaning were it without tribulation." Sheldon ```````````` |
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On 2004-09-12, pennyaline > wrote:
> If it's an additional service charge, then call it an additional service > charge. But if it's called an additional service charge, make damn sure some > service above and beyond the standard was actually provided. Otherwise, it's > just a gouge. The whole tips thing is an end run on having to pay taxes and worker's comp and bennies on the money the employer would otherwise have to declare/pay out. If the employer is going to be able to avoid calling tips earned income, he shouldn't have the right to make tips mandatory. This whole thing needs to be re-defined. But, it's never going to happen. Big restaurants make regular contributions and the power elite likes to dine out. nb |
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On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote:
> Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain stupid. > Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a > wait-person. HUH!!?? How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? Please elaborate. nb |
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On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote:
> Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain stupid. > Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a > wait-person. HUH!!?? How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? Please elaborate. nb |
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notbob wrote:
> > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: > > > Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain stupid. > > Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a > > wait-person. > > HUH!!?? > > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? Please > elaborate. They assume you make a certain percentage of tips. I forget what the percentage they assume. Unfortunately, it's a result of massive underreporting by waitstaff. nancy |
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notbob wrote:
> > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: > > > Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain stupid. > > Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a > > wait-person. > > HUH!!?? > > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? Please > elaborate. They assume you make a certain percentage of tips. I forget what the percentage they assume. Unfortunately, it's a result of massive underreporting by waitstaff. nancy |
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"Dog3" <dognospam@adjfkdla;not> wrote in message
4... > "<RJ>" > > : > > > > > I'm not a business tax expert, but > > > > it would seem that > > if the service charge is a mandatory fee, > > then it would be taxable income to the business. > > > > And if the business isn't reporting it....... > > > > > > If the "service charge" is a tip, > > then its payment should be optional. > > > > How do you legally enforce payment of a tip ? > > > > <rj> > > Theft of services. > But a tip is by definition voluntary. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"notbob" > wrote in message news:4t41d.180830$Fg5.104797@attbi_s53... > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: > >> Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain >> stupid. >> Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a >> wait-person. > > HUH!!?? > > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? > Please > elaborate. > > nb The Feds adopted a policy of assuming unreported tips long ago, so now they tax servers, whether they made the assumed percentage of tips or not. What's so surprising about that? The whole tax system is little more than extortion anyway. Or do you actually volunteer to finance the projects the government carries, like millions/billions to occupy foreign countries or social programs riddled with fraud? I personally don't think ANYONE else can "represent" me. And it is only "representatives" making decisions like these "on behalf" of "constituents", including politicians looking for increased "tax-revenues" wherever they can be had. But, that's another rag for some other newsgroup. |
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Wayne wrote:
> "Peter Aitken" > wrote in news:s251d.1750$n% > : > > >>"Dog3" <dognospam@adjfkdla;not> wrote in message .44... >> >>>"<RJ>" > : >>> >>> >>>>I'm not a business tax expert, but >>>> >>>>it would seem that >>>>if the service charge is a mandatory fee, >>>>then it would be taxable income to the business. >>>> >>>>And if the business isn't reporting it....... >>>> >>>> >>>>If the "service charge" is a tip, >>>>then its payment should be optional. >>>> >>>>How do you legally enforce payment of a tip ? >>>> >>>><rj> >>> >>>Theft of services. >>> >> >>But a tip is by definition voluntary. >> >> > > > What really frosts me is the "tip cup" or jar or whatever, that one finds > at the register in places like coffee shops, donut shops, etc., where all > the clerk (I hestitate to say "server") did was pour a beverage or fill a > container with food and hand it to you. What the hell should they be > tipped for? All they did was their job, no more...no less. > Exactly my sentiments. I go to the local DD and see a miserable dollar bill (obviously placed by the workers,) in a cup, and I'm expected to leave $$ for someone pouring a cup of coffee and serving me a doughnut which they themselves are making a nice buck on? It's not like they are hand picking the "best" fried dough or coffee for my compensation. It makes more sense to tip nice when you frequent a local restaurant. The waiter there will relate to you, recommending what's fresh and best, et cetera. Rich -- "Dum Spiro, Spero." As long as I breath, I hope. Cicero |
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On 2004-09-12, Richard Periut > wrote:
> As a former waiter, I favor the mandatory 15% tip for parties of 6 or > more. In the end, the net result was positive for me, for I remember the > many parties of 6 +, who left crappa rata for tip, or none at all. More > of these than you think. > > I always offered excellent service beyond the call of duty. Perhaps the Then you certainly deserve the tip. I know from experience the problems a group can present. It only takes one flake in the group to throw a group's good intentions out the door. I can't count all the times a single group member either shortchanged the total bill or refused to pay a decent tip. I had one young boss who was a great guy. But he was one of the biggest cheap-skates I've ever known. So, when we'd go to an upscale place he'd throw the whole table off and others would have to dig deeper to give a decent tip. We all liked the guy as a cow orker, but began avoiding him like the plague around lunch time. OTOH, I've had a couple experiences where service was intolerable. One so much so it precipitated a band-stopping, adjacent-table-clearing, meal-abandoning incident between the group and the staff and heated words within the group itself. Having to fork over money for such abominable service would have been criminal. Fortunately, these are extremely rare. nb |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message ... > notbob wrote: > > > > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: > > > > > Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain stupid. > > > Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a > > > wait-person. > > > > HUH!!?? > > > > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? Please > > elaborate. > > They assume you make a certain percentage of tips. I forget what the > percentage they assume. Unfortunately, it's a result of massive > underreporting by waitstaff. > > nancy That's the very reason why it's so important to tip the staff. The government automatically taxes the staff based upon the sales that they did. If people don't tip, the waiters and waitresses pay for it anyway. It's not fair, IMO, but that's how it works. kili |
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notbob wrote:
> I know from experience the problems a group can present. It only takes one > flake in the group to throw a group's good intentions out the door. I can't > count all the times a single group member either shortchanged the total bill > or refused to pay a decent tip. I had one young boss who was a great guy. > But he was one of the biggest cheap-skates I've ever known. So, when we'd > go to an upscale place he'd throw the whole table off and others would have > to dig deeper to give a decent tip. We all liked the guy as a cow orker, > but began avoiding him like the plague around lunch time. > Hee hee. You said "cow orker" Best regards, Bob |
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zxcvbob > wrote in
: > notbob wrote: > >> I know from experience the problems a group can present. It only >> takes one flake in the group to throw a group's good intentions out >> the door. I can't count all the times a single group member either >> shortchanged the total bill or refused to pay a decent tip. I had >> one young boss who was a great guy. But he was one of the biggest >> cheap-skates I've ever known. So, when we'd go to an upscale place >> he'd throw the whole table off and others would have to dig deeper to >> give a decent tip. We all liked the guy as a cow orker, but began >> avoiding him like the plague around lunch time. >> > > > Hee hee. You said "cow orker" > > Best regards, > Bob > Hey, "cow orkers" are notorious for doing the skinny on the tip! Beware your local office cow orker! -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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zxcvbob > wrote in
: > notbob wrote: > >> I know from experience the problems a group can present. It only >> takes one flake in the group to throw a group's good intentions out >> the door. I can't count all the times a single group member either >> shortchanged the total bill or refused to pay a decent tip. I had >> one young boss who was a great guy. But he was one of the biggest >> cheap-skates I've ever known. So, when we'd go to an upscale place >> he'd throw the whole table off and others would have to dig deeper to >> give a decent tip. We all liked the guy as a cow orker, but began >> avoiding him like the plague around lunch time. >> > > > Hee hee. You said "cow orker" > > Best regards, > Bob > Hey, "cow orkers" are notorious for doing the skinny on the tip! Beware your local office cow orker! -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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"Dog3" <dognospam@adjfkdla;not> wrote in message
4... > "Peter Aitken" > > m: > > > "Dog3" <dognospam@adjfkdla;not> wrote in message > > 4... > >> "<RJ>" > > >> : > >> > >> > > >> > I'm not a business tax expert, but > >> > > >> > it would seem that > >> > if the service charge is a mandatory fee, > >> > then it would be taxable income to the business. > >> > > >> > And if the business isn't reporting it....... > >> > > >> > > >> > If the "service charge" is a tip, > >> > then its payment should be optional. > >> > > >> > How do you legally enforce payment of a tip ? > >> > > >> > <rj> > >> > >> Theft of services. > >> > > > > But a tip is by definition voluntary. > > Then so should the tax on it be > When you say something dumb and put a smiley face after it, it is still dumb. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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notbob wrote:
> I know from experience the problems a group can present. It only takes one > flake in the group to throw a group's good intentions out the door. I can't > count all the times a single group member either shortchanged the total bill > or refused to pay a decent tip. I had one young boss who was a great guy. > But he was one of the biggest cheap-skates I've ever known. So, when we'd > go to an upscale place he'd throw the whole table off and others would have > to dig deeper to give a decent tip. We all liked the guy as a cow orker, > but began avoiding him like the plague around lunch time. Exactly what I said earlier. That's the problem with a group. And if that is the person handling everyone's share of the bill, it could kill the server's tip. I went to lunch with a friend and this guy. He paid, so who am I to say, he was trying to impress my friend. He left a quarter for the tip for three people. I hid money under my plate to make up for it. nancy |
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"Wayne" > wrote in message
... > "Peter Aitken" > wrote in news:s251d.1750$n% > : > > > "Dog3" <dognospam@adjfkdla;not> wrote in message > > 4... > >> "<RJ>" > > >> : > >> > >> > > >> > I'm not a business tax expert, but > >> > > >> > it would seem that > >> > if the service charge is a mandatory fee, > >> > then it would be taxable income to the business. > >> > > >> > And if the business isn't reporting it....... > >> > > >> > > >> > If the "service charge" is a tip, > >> > then its payment should be optional. > >> > > >> > How do you legally enforce payment of a tip ? > >> > > >> > <rj> > >> > >> Theft of services. > >> > > > > But a tip is by definition voluntary. > > > > > > What really frosts me is the "tip cup" or jar or whatever, that one finds > at the register in places like coffee shops, donut shops, etc., where all > the clerk (I hestitate to say "server") did was pour a beverage or fill a > container with food and hand it to you. What the hell should they be > tipped for? All they did was their job, no more...no less. > > -- I agree 100%. These people are not paid less than minimum wage, as are waiters. I have never put so much as a cent in one of those jars. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"zuuum" > wrote in message
... > > "notbob" > wrote in message > news:4t41d.180830$Fg5.104797@attbi_s53... > > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: > > > >> Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain > >> stupid. > >> Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a > >> wait-person. > > > > HUH!!?? > > > > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? > > Please > > elaborate. > > > > nb > > The Feds adopted a policy of assuming unreported tips long ago, so now they > tax servers, whether they made the assumed percentage of tips or not. > This is plain and simply false. I have looked into this at length and the tax code is quite clear. All a wait has to do is detail their actual tips and pay tax on that amount. A percentage *may* be assumed if the wait does not itemize tips in the proper fashion. This is an urban legend that is kept alive by waits who who want customers to feel guilty for leaving no tip or a small tip when they get shitty service. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"zuuum" > wrote in message
... > > "notbob" > wrote in message > news:4t41d.180830$Fg5.104797@attbi_s53... > > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: > > > >> Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain > >> stupid. > >> Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to be a > >> wait-person. > > > > HUH!!?? > > > > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? > > Please > > elaborate. > > > > nb > > The Feds adopted a policy of assuming unreported tips long ago, so now they > tax servers, whether they made the assumed percentage of tips or not. > This is plain and simply false. I have looked into this at length and the tax code is quite clear. All a wait has to do is detail their actual tips and pay tax on that amount. A percentage *may* be assumed if the wait does not itemize tips in the proper fashion. This is an urban legend that is kept alive by waits who who want customers to feel guilty for leaving no tip or a small tip when they get shitty service. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"kilikini" > wrote in message
... > > "Nancy Young" > wrote in message > ... > > notbob wrote: > > > > > > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: > > > > > > > Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain > stupid. > > > > Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to > be a > > > > wait-person. > > > > > > HUH!!?? > > > > > > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? > Please > > > elaborate. > > > > They assume you make a certain percentage of tips. I forget what the > > percentage they assume. Unfortunately, it's a result of massive > > underreporting by waitstaff. > > > > nancy > > That's the very reason why it's so important to tip the staff. The > government automatically taxes the staff based upon the sales that they did. > If people don't tip, the waiters and waitresses pay for it anyway. It's not > fair, IMO, but that's how it works. > > kili > > This is bullshit - see my other message. -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"zxcvbob" > wrote in message ... > notbob wrote: > >> I know from experience the problems a group can present. It only takes >> one >> flake in the group to throw a group's good intentions out the door. I >> can't >> count all the times a single group member either shortchanged the total >> bill >> or refused to pay a decent tip. I had one young boss who was a great >> guy. >> But he was one of the biggest cheap-skates I've ever known. So, when >> we'd >> go to an upscale place he'd throw the whole table off and others would >> have >> to dig deeper to give a decent tip. We all liked the guy as a cow orker, >> but began avoiding him like the plague around lunch time. >> > > > Hee hee. You said "cow orker" > > Best regards, > Bob At least it wasn't cow p-orker. lol |
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"zxcvbob" > wrote in message ... > notbob wrote: > >> I know from experience the problems a group can present. It only takes >> one >> flake in the group to throw a group's good intentions out the door. I >> can't >> count all the times a single group member either shortchanged the total >> bill >> or refused to pay a decent tip. I had one young boss who was a great >> guy. >> But he was one of the biggest cheap-skates I've ever known. So, when >> we'd >> go to an upscale place he'd throw the whole table off and others would >> have >> to dig deeper to give a decent tip. We all liked the guy as a cow orker, >> but began avoiding him like the plague around lunch time. >> > > > Hee hee. You said "cow orker" > > Best regards, > Bob At least it wasn't cow p-orker. lol |
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"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message m... > "zuuum" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "notbob" > wrote in message >> news:4t41d.180830$Fg5.104797@attbi_s53... >> > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: >> > >> >> Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain >> >> stupid. >> >> Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to >> >> be > a >> >> wait-person. >> > >> > HUH!!?? >> > >> > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? >> > Please >> > elaborate. >> > >> > nb >> >> The Feds adopted a policy of assuming unreported tips long ago, so now > they >> tax servers, whether they made the assumed percentage of tips or not. >> > > This is plain and simply false. I have looked into this at length and the > tax code is quite clear. All a wait has to do is detail their actual tips > and pay tax on that amount. A percentage *may* be assumed if the wait does > not itemize tips in the proper fashion. This is an urban legend that is > kept > alive by waits who who want customers to feel guilty for leaving no tip or > a > small tip when they get shitty service. > > > -- > Peter Aitken It is a stubborn legend, then. Any links to exactly what is legal for the server's employer to withold? Perhaps it is witholdings rather than actual taxes due. |
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"Peter Aitken" > wrote in message m... > "zuuum" > wrote in message > ... >> >> "notbob" > wrote in message >> news:4t41d.180830$Fg5.104797@attbi_s53... >> > On 2004-09-12, jmcquown > wrote: >> > >> >> Indeed, they tax your sales not what you *earn* which is just plain >> >> stupid. >> >> Sometimes I had to pay more money than I made. Nother reason not to >> >> be > a >> >> wait-person. >> > >> > HUH!!?? >> > >> > How can they tax your sales? A wait person is not selling anything? >> > Please >> > elaborate. >> > >> > nb >> >> The Feds adopted a policy of assuming unreported tips long ago, so now > they >> tax servers, whether they made the assumed percentage of tips or not. >> > > This is plain and simply false. I have looked into this at length and the > tax code is quite clear. All a wait has to do is detail their actual tips > and pay tax on that amount. A percentage *may* be assumed if the wait does > not itemize tips in the proper fashion. This is an urban legend that is > kept > alive by waits who who want customers to feel guilty for leaving no tip or > a > small tip when they get shitty service. > > > -- > Peter Aitken It is a stubborn legend, then. Any links to exactly what is legal for the server's employer to withold? Perhaps it is witholdings rather than actual taxes due. |
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"zuuum" > wrote in message ... > > "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message >> This is plain and simply false. I have looked into this at length and the >> tax code is quite clear. All a wait has to do is detail their actual tips >> and pay tax on that amount. A percentage *may* be assumed if the wait >> does >> not itemize tips in the proper fashion. This is an urban legend that is >> kept >> alive by waits who who want customers to feel guilty for leaving no tip >> or a >> small tip when they get shitty service. >> >> >> -- >> Peter Aitken > > It is a stubborn legend, then. Any links to exactly what is legal for the > server's employer to withold? Perhaps it is witholdings rather than > actual taxes due. All I found relevant was... http://www.ustreas.gov/tigta/2001rep...0130076es.html but they state it is intended to be a "non-enforcement method" that are actually based on "agreement" between the employer and IRS. and.... http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/old/10428232.htm |
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"zuuum" > wrote in message ... > > "Peter Aitken" > wrote in message >> This is plain and simply false. I have looked into this at length and the >> tax code is quite clear. All a wait has to do is detail their actual tips >> and pay tax on that amount. A percentage *may* be assumed if the wait >> does >> not itemize tips in the proper fashion. This is an urban legend that is >> kept >> alive by waits who who want customers to feel guilty for leaving no tip >> or a >> small tip when they get shitty service. >> >> >> -- >> Peter Aitken > > It is a stubborn legend, then. Any links to exactly what is legal for the > server's employer to withold? Perhaps it is witholdings rather than > actual taxes due. All I found relevant was... http://www.ustreas.gov/tigta/2001rep...0130076es.html but they state it is intended to be a "non-enforcement method" that are actually based on "agreement" between the employer and IRS. and.... http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/old/10428232.htm |
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