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In article >, Kate Connally
> wrote: > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > Kate But "his way" of well-prepared food is what got the restaurant its "top quality" reputation. If you don't want the salmon prepared "his way", which may be rare and barely cooked, order something else or eat somewhere else. -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-18-04; Sushi Story "Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power." -Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn. |
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In article >, Kate Connally
> wrote: > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > Kate But "his way" of well-prepared food is what got the restaurant its "top quality" reputation. If you don't want the salmon prepared "his way", which may be rare and barely cooked, order something else or eat somewhere else. -- -Barb, <www.jamlady.eboard.com> Updated 9-18-04; Sushi Story "Peace will come when the power of love overcomes the love of power." -Jimi Hendrix, and Lt. Joe Corcoran, Retired; St. Paul PD, Homicide Divn. |
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"Wayne" > wrote in message
... > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > > > Peter Aitken wrote: > >> > >> > >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can > >> "do it their way." > > > > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, > > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have > > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to > > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me > > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right > > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I > > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's > > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn > > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known > > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own > > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many > > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a > > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time > > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became > > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. > > > > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > > > Kate > > > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > -- > Wayne in Phoenix I know, that's really bizarre. She is confising a restaurant chef with a personal chef. If I want things cooked my way I do it at home. When I want something cooked by a chef with more knowledge and skill than I have, I go to a nice restaurant. Why on earth would I tell him (or her, more often these days) to change a carefully planned and crafted recipe to be like I'd make it at home? And if you don't like the way the chef prepares things, why go to that restauranmt? Duh! -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"Wayne" > wrote in message
... > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > > > Peter Aitken wrote: > >> > >> > >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can > >> "do it their way." > > > > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, > > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have > > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to > > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me > > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right > > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I > > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's > > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn > > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known > > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own > > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many > > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a > > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time > > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became > > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. > > > > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > > > Kate > > > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > -- > Wayne in Phoenix I know, that's really bizarre. She is confising a restaurant chef with a personal chef. If I want things cooked my way I do it at home. When I want something cooked by a chef with more knowledge and skill than I have, I go to a nice restaurant. Why on earth would I tell him (or her, more often these days) to change a carefully planned and crafted recipe to be like I'd make it at home? And if you don't like the way the chef prepares things, why go to that restauranmt? Duh! -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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"Wayne" > wrote in message
... > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > > > Peter Aitken wrote: > >> > >> > >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can > >> "do it their way." > > > > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, > > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have > > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to > > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me > > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right > > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I > > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's > > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn > > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known > > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own > > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many > > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a > > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time > > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became > > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. > > > > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > > > Kate > > > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > -- > Wayne in Phoenix I know, that's really bizarre. She is confising a restaurant chef with a personal chef. If I want things cooked my way I do it at home. When I want something cooked by a chef with more knowledge and skill than I have, I go to a nice restaurant. Why on earth would I tell him (or her, more often these days) to change a carefully planned and crafted recipe to be like I'd make it at home? And if you don't like the way the chef prepares things, why go to that restauranmt? Duh! -- Peter Aitken Remove the crap from my email address before using. |
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When in New Orleans it is a mistake to go to places like
Brennan's/Antoine's/Ralph & Kakoo's, etc. in the first place. The best food is often at the less upscale places (Mother's, Acme Oyster House, Praline Connection come to mind right away). More upscale but about 100 times as good as Brennan's, etc. is K-Paul's. I have never been to Commander's Palace, which I have heard is really great but unbelievably expensive, nor have I been to Emeril's. But I would generally stick to downscale places recommended by the locals. "Wayne" > wrote in message ... > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > >> Peter Aitken wrote: >>> >>> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> > Goomba38 wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Kate Connally wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a >>> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's >>> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was >>> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. >>> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my >>> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both >>> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the >>> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our >>> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's >>> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why >>> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get >>> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) >>> > > > So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table nearby. >>> > > > They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it had been >>> > > > a place where you didn't need a reservation months in advance >>> > > > it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and Ralph's. >>> > > > It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all >>> > > > it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) >>> > > > >>> > > > Kate >>> > > >>> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your >>> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad.  I hope>>> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be >>> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in >>> > > years to come. >>> > >>> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like >>> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty >>> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing >>> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not >>> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting >>> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". >>> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's >>> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. >>> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great >>> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for >>> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have >>> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force >>> > me into doing it their way. >>> > >>> > Kate >>> > >>> > -- >>> >>> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can >>> "do it their way." >> >> I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, >> like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have >> it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to >> order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me >> (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right >> to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I >> want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's >> already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn >> well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known >> then, what I know now about both parties charging their own >> portion on their own credit card, something I've done many >> times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a >> problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time >> about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became >> a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. >> >> Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to >> a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared >> food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some >> wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! >> >> Kate >> > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > -- > Wayne in Phoenix > > unmunge as w-e-b > > *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. > *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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When in New Orleans it is a mistake to go to places like
Brennan's/Antoine's/Ralph & Kakoo's, etc. in the first place. The best food is often at the less upscale places (Mother's, Acme Oyster House, Praline Connection come to mind right away). More upscale but about 100 times as good as Brennan's, etc. is K-Paul's. I have never been to Commander's Palace, which I have heard is really great but unbelievably expensive, nor have I been to Emeril's. But I would generally stick to downscale places recommended by the locals. "Wayne" > wrote in message ... > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > >> Peter Aitken wrote: >>> >>> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> > Goomba38 wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Kate Connally wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a >>> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's >>> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was >>> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. >>> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my >>> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both >>> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the >>> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our >>> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's >>> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why >>> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get >>> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) >>> > > > So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table nearby. >>> > > > They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it had been >>> > > > a place where you didn't need a reservation months in advance >>> > > > it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and Ralph's. >>> > > > It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all >>> > > > it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) >>> > > > >>> > > > Kate >>> > > >>> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your >>> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad. I hope>>> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be >>> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in >>> > > years to come. >>> > >>> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like >>> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty >>> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing >>> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not >>> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting >>> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". >>> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's >>> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. >>> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great >>> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for >>> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have >>> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force >>> > me into doing it their way. >>> > >>> > Kate >>> > >>> > -- >>> >>> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can >>> "do it their way." >> >> I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, >> like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have >> it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to >> order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me >> (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right >> to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I >> want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's >> already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn >> well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known >> then, what I know now about both parties charging their own >> portion on their own credit card, something I've done many >> times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a >> problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time >> about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became >> a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. >> >> Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to >> a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared >> food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some >> wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! >> >> Kate >> > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > -- > Wayne in Phoenix > > unmunge as w-e-b > > *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. > *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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When in New Orleans it is a mistake to go to places like
Brennan's/Antoine's/Ralph & Kakoo's, etc. in the first place. The best food is often at the less upscale places (Mother's, Acme Oyster House, Praline Connection come to mind right away). More upscale but about 100 times as good as Brennan's, etc. is K-Paul's. I have never been to Commander's Palace, which I have heard is really great but unbelievably expensive, nor have I been to Emeril's. But I would generally stick to downscale places recommended by the locals. "Wayne" > wrote in message ... > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > >> Peter Aitken wrote: >>> >>> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> > Goomba38 wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Kate Connally wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a >>> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's >>> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was >>> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. >>> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my >>> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both >>> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the >>> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our >>> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's >>> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why >>> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get >>> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) >>> > > > So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table nearby. >>> > > > They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it had been >>> > > > a place where you didn't need a reservation months in advance >>> > > > it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and Ralph's. >>> > > > It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all >>> > > > it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) >>> > > > >>> > > > Kate >>> > > >>> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your >>> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad. I hope>>> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be >>> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in >>> > > years to come. >>> > >>> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like >>> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty >>> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing >>> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not >>> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting >>> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". >>> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's >>> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. >>> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great >>> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for >>> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have >>> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force >>> > me into doing it their way. >>> > >>> > Kate >>> > >>> > -- >>> >>> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can >>> "do it their way." >> >> I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, >> like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have >> it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to >> order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me >> (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right >> to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I >> want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's >> already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn >> well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known >> then, what I know now about both parties charging their own >> portion on their own credit card, something I've done many >> times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a >> problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time >> about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became >> a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. >> >> Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to >> a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared >> food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some >> wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! >> >> Kate >> > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > -- > Wayne in Phoenix > > unmunge as w-e-b > > *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. > *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Dog3 wrote:
> Same here. There are people out there that are just cheap. I stopped dining > out with 2 friends because they were immediately belligerant and always > stiffed the waiter after running them all night. The friends would bitch > all evening about one thing or another. They are fine people but sort of > turn when they sit down at a table in a restaurant. Every time I dined out > with them I had to sneak money to the waiter or hide it under my plate. You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. --Lia |
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Dog3 wrote:
> Same here. There are people out there that are just cheap. I stopped dining > out with 2 friends because they were immediately belligerant and always > stiffed the waiter after running them all night. The friends would bitch > all evening about one thing or another. They are fine people but sort of > turn when they sit down at a table in a restaurant. Every time I dined out > with them I had to sneak money to the waiter or hide it under my plate. You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. --Lia |
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Dog3 wrote:
> Same here. There are people out there that are just cheap. I stopped dining > out with 2 friends because they were immediately belligerant and always > stiffed the waiter after running them all night. The friends would bitch > all evening about one thing or another. They are fine people but sort of > turn when they sit down at a table in a restaurant. Every time I dined out > with them I had to sneak money to the waiter or hide it under my plate. You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. --Lia |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote in
news:FW63d.218261$mD.209353@attbi_s02: > Dog3 wrote: > >> Same here. There are people out there that are just cheap. I stopped >> dining out with 2 friends because they were immediately belligerant >> and always stiffed the waiter after running them all night. The >> friends would bitch all evening about one thing or another. They are >> fine people but sort of turn when they sit down at a table in a >> restaurant. Every time I dined out with them I had to sneak money to >> the waiter or hide it under my plate. > > > You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take > her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how > nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't > want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still > be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and > apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to > be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. > Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she > wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't > have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. > > --Lia > > Some people are just plain nuts! -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote in
news:FW63d.218261$mD.209353@attbi_s02: > Dog3 wrote: > >> Same here. There are people out there that are just cheap. I stopped >> dining out with 2 friends because they were immediately belligerant >> and always stiffed the waiter after running them all night. The >> friends would bitch all evening about one thing or another. They are >> fine people but sort of turn when they sit down at a table in a >> restaurant. Every time I dined out with them I had to sneak money to >> the waiter or hide it under my plate. > > > You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take > her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how > nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't > want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still > be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and > apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to > be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. > Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she > wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't > have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. > > --Lia > > Some people are just plain nuts! -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote in
news:FW63d.218261$mD.209353@attbi_s02: > Dog3 wrote: > >> Same here. There are people out there that are just cheap. I stopped >> dining out with 2 friends because they were immediately belligerant >> and always stiffed the waiter after running them all night. The >> friends would bitch all evening about one thing or another. They are >> fine people but sort of turn when they sit down at a table in a >> restaurant. Every time I dined out with them I had to sneak money to >> the waiter or hide it under my plate. > > > You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take > her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how > nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't > want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still > be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and > apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to > be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. > Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she > wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't > have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. > > --Lia > > Some people are just plain nuts! -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Wayne wrote:
>>You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take >>her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how >>nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't >>want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still >>be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and >>apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to >>be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. >>Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she >>wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't >>have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. >> >>--Lia >> >> > > > Some people are just plain nuts! Gosh, and I was looking forward to doing a full psychoanalysis of the type with theories having to do with insufficient attention in early childhood. Your way is a lot more succinct. --Lia |
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Wayne wrote:
>>You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take >>her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how >>nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't >>want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still >>be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and >>apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to >>be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. >>Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she >>wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't >>have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. >> >>--Lia >> >> > > > Some people are just plain nuts! Gosh, and I was looking forward to doing a full psychoanalysis of the type with theories having to do with insufficient attention in early childhood. Your way is a lot more succinct. --Lia |
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Wayne wrote:
>>You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take >>her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how >>nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't >>want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still >>be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and >>apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to >>be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. >>Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she >>wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't >>have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. >> >>--Lia >> >> > > > Some people are just plain nuts! Gosh, and I was looking forward to doing a full psychoanalysis of the type with theories having to do with insufficient attention in early childhood. Your way is a lot more succinct. --Lia |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote in news:tj73d.327738$8_
6.28512@attbi_s04: > Wayne wrote: > >>>You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take >>>her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how >>>nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't >>>want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still >>>be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and >>>apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to >>>be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. >>>Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she >>>wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't >>>have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. >>> >>>--Lia >>> >>> >> >> >> Some people are just plain nuts! > > > Gosh, and I was looking forward to doing a full psychoanalysis of the > type with theories having to do with insufficient attention in early > childhood. Your way is a lot more succinct. > > --Lia Go for it! The study should be very interesting. <vbg> -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote in news:tj73d.327738$8_
6.28512@attbi_s04: > Wayne wrote: > >>>You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take >>>her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how >>>nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't >>>want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still >>>be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and >>>apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to >>>be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. >>>Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she >>>wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't >>>have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. >>> >>>--Lia >>> >>> >> >> >> Some people are just plain nuts! > > > Gosh, and I was looking forward to doing a full psychoanalysis of the > type with theories having to do with insufficient attention in early > childhood. Your way is a lot more succinct. > > --Lia Go for it! The study should be very interesting. <vbg> -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Julia Altshuler > wrote in news:tj73d.327738$8_
6.28512@attbi_s04: > Wayne wrote: > >>>You must have met MY ex-friend. At first we kept thinking we'd take >>>her to less expensive restaurants so she'd stop bitching about how >>>nothing was worth the price. Then she got so embarrassing, we didn't >>>want to take her to our favorite inexpensive restaurants. She'd still >>>be bitching while we wanted to crawl under the table, hide and >>>apologize to the waiters we knew we'd be seeing again. She seemed to >>>be energized by the prospect of complaining to the management. >>>Finally, we gave up and stopped trying to dine out with her. Then she >>>wanted to complain that a delivered pizza wasn't hot enough or didn't >>>have enough pepperoni or something. Bleah. >>> >>>--Lia >>> >>> >> >> >> Some people are just plain nuts! > > > Gosh, and I was looking forward to doing a full psychoanalysis of the > type with theories having to do with insufficient attention in early > childhood. Your way is a lot more succinct. > > --Lia Go for it! The study should be very interesting. <vbg> -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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<Alan> wrote:
> >> You don't need to use a tip to deal with poor service. > > > > Why not, pray? > > Isn't that what a tip is for -- a reward for good service? No. A tip is the cherry on the sundae, but the paycheck is the reward for providing good service. The reward for providing bad service is or should be... do I have to say it? <and if the paycheck stinks, don't bitch about needing more in tips -- get an education, get a better job, and get more money, honey> |
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<Alan> wrote:
> >> You don't need to use a tip to deal with poor service. > > > > Why not, pray? > > Isn't that what a tip is for -- a reward for good service? No. A tip is the cherry on the sundae, but the paycheck is the reward for providing good service. The reward for providing bad service is or should be... do I have to say it? <and if the paycheck stinks, don't bitch about needing more in tips -- get an education, get a better job, and get more money, honey> |
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Wayne wrote:
> > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > > > Peter Aitken wrote: > >> > >> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > Goomba38 wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Kate Connally wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a > >> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's > >> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was > >> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. > >> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my > >> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both > >> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the > >> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our > >> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's > >> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why > >> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get > >> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) > >> > > > So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table nearby. > >> > > > They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it had been > >> > > > a place where you didn't need a reservation months in advance > >> > > > it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and Ralph's. > >> > > > It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all > >> > > > it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) > >> > > > > >> > > > Kate > >> > > > >> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your > >> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad. I hope> >> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be > >> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in > >> > > years to come. > >> > > >> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like > >> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty > >> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing > >> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not > >> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting > >> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". > >> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's > >> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. > >> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great > >> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for > >> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have > >> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force > >> > me into doing it their way. > >> > > >> > Kate > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can > >> "do it their way." > > > > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, > > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have > > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to > > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me > > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right > > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I > > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's > > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn > > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known > > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own > > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many > > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a > > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time > > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became > > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. > > > > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > > > Kate > > > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. What - you don't tell them how you want your steak cooked? You just let them do it however they feel like it? I'm sorry, but I just don't get that attitude. Just because it's considered a "top quality restaurant" doesn't mean that they know everything or that their way is the only right way to do things. I sure don't want to go to a fancy restaurant and pay a lot of money for a meal only to have what and how I'm going to eat dictated to me. And what if I'm only there because I'm with a group who wanted to go there? Not my choice. Sure I could refuse to go but then I would miss dining with my friends or family. So, I go and they have this salmon dish that sounds good except for the undercooking part and I look over the whole menu and there's nothing else that speaks to me and besides I'm really jonesing for salmon. Why shouldn't I be able to ask that it be properly cooked, i. e. not rare for. It's not a hard thing to do. And that sort of thing happens with steak all the time - people ask for it rare, medium, well, etc. It's not like I'm asking them to take a dish that's alreay prepared - say chicken mushroom soup - and pick out all the mushrooms for me. I would never do that. But how hard is it to leave an ingredients out that hasn't even been added yet? And as for doing it their way, well, their way is only one way to do it. There are other legitimate and equally delicious ways to do just about everything. Now, if I go to have one of their "specialties" then I'm probably not going to ask for any changes, but you never know. It would depend on whether or not I knew ahead of time how it was made and what was in it. If it weren't to my taste I probably wouldn't order it or even go there in the first place. But if I went and found out that the Bananas Foster, unbeknownst to me beforehand, contained something I didn't like and which could easily be omitted, then I guess I'd go ahead and ask them to omit it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. No, I might not just as well go to Denny's if I'm going to do that. That's ridiculous. I would go to a fancy restaurant because I want really high quality, perfectly prepared food and am willing to pay for it. I couldn't get that a Denny's. I don't go to the fancy restaurant to be forced to have it their way, I go there for the high quality ingredients and expert preparation. And not for chef attitude or served attitude. That those things may exist is unfortunate but I won't patronize a restaurant like that no matter how "great" their food and service is. It's a restaurant, okay? A service business!!! Not the chef's home where I've been invited to dinner and have to pretend to like everything the way it's served. I'm there paying for a meal and I should get it the way I like it, within reason. Kate perfectly prepared food. > -- > Wayne in Phoenix > > unmunge as w-e-b > > *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. > *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Wayne wrote:
> > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > > > Peter Aitken wrote: > >> > >> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > Goomba38 wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Kate Connally wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a > >> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's > >> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was > >> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. > >> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my > >> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both > >> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the > >> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our > >> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's > >> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why > >> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get > >> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) > >> > > > So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table nearby. > >> > > > They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it had been > >> > > > a place where you didn't need a reservation months in advance > >> > > > it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and Ralph's. > >> > > > It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all > >> > > > it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) > >> > > > > >> > > > Kate > >> > > > >> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your > >> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad. I hope> >> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be > >> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in > >> > > years to come. > >> > > >> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like > >> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty > >> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing > >> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not > >> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting > >> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". > >> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's > >> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. > >> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great > >> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for > >> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have > >> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force > >> > me into doing it their way. > >> > > >> > Kate > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can > >> "do it their way." > > > > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, > > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have > > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to > > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me > > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right > > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I > > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's > > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn > > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known > > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own > > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many > > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a > > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time > > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became > > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. > > > > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > > > Kate > > > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. What - you don't tell them how you want your steak cooked? You just let them do it however they feel like it? I'm sorry, but I just don't get that attitude. Just because it's considered a "top quality restaurant" doesn't mean that they know everything or that their way is the only right way to do things. I sure don't want to go to a fancy restaurant and pay a lot of money for a meal only to have what and how I'm going to eat dictated to me. And what if I'm only there because I'm with a group who wanted to go there? Not my choice. Sure I could refuse to go but then I would miss dining with my friends or family. So, I go and they have this salmon dish that sounds good except for the undercooking part and I look over the whole menu and there's nothing else that speaks to me and besides I'm really jonesing for salmon. Why shouldn't I be able to ask that it be properly cooked, i. e. not rare for. It's not a hard thing to do. And that sort of thing happens with steak all the time - people ask for it rare, medium, well, etc. It's not like I'm asking them to take a dish that's alreay prepared - say chicken mushroom soup - and pick out all the mushrooms for me. I would never do that. But how hard is it to leave an ingredients out that hasn't even been added yet? And as for doing it their way, well, their way is only one way to do it. There are other legitimate and equally delicious ways to do just about everything. Now, if I go to have one of their "specialties" then I'm probably not going to ask for any changes, but you never know. It would depend on whether or not I knew ahead of time how it was made and what was in it. If it weren't to my taste I probably wouldn't order it or even go there in the first place. But if I went and found out that the Bananas Foster, unbeknownst to me beforehand, contained something I didn't like and which could easily be omitted, then I guess I'd go ahead and ask them to omit it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. No, I might not just as well go to Denny's if I'm going to do that. That's ridiculous. I would go to a fancy restaurant because I want really high quality, perfectly prepared food and am willing to pay for it. I couldn't get that a Denny's. I don't go to the fancy restaurant to be forced to have it their way, I go there for the high quality ingredients and expert preparation. And not for chef attitude or served attitude. That those things may exist is unfortunate but I won't patronize a restaurant like that no matter how "great" their food and service is. It's a restaurant, okay? A service business!!! Not the chef's home where I've been invited to dinner and have to pretend to like everything the way it's served. I'm there paying for a meal and I should get it the way I like it, within reason. Kate perfectly prepared food. > -- > Wayne in Phoenix > > unmunge as w-e-b > > *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. > *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Wayne wrote:
> > Kate Connally > wrote in > : > > > Peter Aitken wrote: > >> > >> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > Goomba38 wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Kate Connally wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a > >> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's > >> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was > >> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. > >> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my > >> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both > >> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the > >> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our > >> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's > >> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why > >> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get > >> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) > >> > > > So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table nearby. > >> > > > They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it had been > >> > > > a place where you didn't need a reservation months in advance > >> > > > it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and Ralph's. > >> > > > It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all > >> > > > it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) > >> > > > > >> > > > Kate > >> > > > >> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your > >> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad. I hope> >> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be > >> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in > >> > > years to come. > >> > > >> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like > >> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty > >> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing > >> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not > >> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting > >> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". > >> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's > >> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. > >> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great > >> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for > >> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have > >> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force > >> > me into doing it their way. > >> > > >> > Kate > >> > > >> > -- > >> > >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they can > >> "do it their way." > > > > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, > > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have > > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to > > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me > > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right > > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I > > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's > > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn > > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known > > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own > > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many > > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a > > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time > > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became > > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. > > > > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to > > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared > > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some > > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! > > > > Kate > > > > I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to dictate > the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. What - you don't tell them how you want your steak cooked? You just let them do it however they feel like it? I'm sorry, but I just don't get that attitude. Just because it's considered a "top quality restaurant" doesn't mean that they know everything or that their way is the only right way to do things. I sure don't want to go to a fancy restaurant and pay a lot of money for a meal only to have what and how I'm going to eat dictated to me. And what if I'm only there because I'm with a group who wanted to go there? Not my choice. Sure I could refuse to go but then I would miss dining with my friends or family. So, I go and they have this salmon dish that sounds good except for the undercooking part and I look over the whole menu and there's nothing else that speaks to me and besides I'm really jonesing for salmon. Why shouldn't I be able to ask that it be properly cooked, i. e. not rare for. It's not a hard thing to do. And that sort of thing happens with steak all the time - people ask for it rare, medium, well, etc. It's not like I'm asking them to take a dish that's alreay prepared - say chicken mushroom soup - and pick out all the mushrooms for me. I would never do that. But how hard is it to leave an ingredients out that hasn't even been added yet? And as for doing it their way, well, their way is only one way to do it. There are other legitimate and equally delicious ways to do just about everything. Now, if I go to have one of their "specialties" then I'm probably not going to ask for any changes, but you never know. It would depend on whether or not I knew ahead of time how it was made and what was in it. If it weren't to my taste I probably wouldn't order it or even go there in the first place. But if I went and found out that the Bananas Foster, unbeknownst to me beforehand, contained something I didn't like and which could easily be omitted, then I guess I'd go ahead and ask them to omit it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. No, I might not just as well go to Denny's if I'm going to do that. That's ridiculous. I would go to a fancy restaurant because I want really high quality, perfectly prepared food and am willing to pay for it. I couldn't get that a Denny's. I don't go to the fancy restaurant to be forced to have it their way, I go there for the high quality ingredients and expert preparation. And not for chef attitude or served attitude. That those things may exist is unfortunate but I won't patronize a restaurant like that no matter how "great" their food and service is. It's a restaurant, okay? A service business!!! Not the chef's home where I've been invited to dinner and have to pretend to like everything the way it's served. I'm there paying for a meal and I should get it the way I like it, within reason. Kate perfectly prepared food. > -- > Wayne in Phoenix > > unmunge as w-e-b > > *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. > *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Kate Connally > wrote in
: > Wayne wrote: >> >> Kate Connally > wrote in >> : >> >> > Peter Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message >> >> ... >> >> > Goomba38 wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Kate Connally wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a >> >> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's >> >> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was >> >> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. >> >> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my >> >> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both >> >> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the >> >> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our >> >> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's >> >> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why >> >> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get >> >> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - >> >> > > > okay?) So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table >> >> > > > nearby. They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it >> >> > > > had been a place where you didn't need a reservation months >> >> > > > in advance it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo >> >> > > > and Ralph's. It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is >> >> > > > probably not all it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Kate >> >> > > >> >> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your >> >> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad. I hope>> >> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be >> >> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in >> >> > > years to come. >> >> > >> >> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like >> >> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty >> >> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing >> >> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not >> >> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting >> >> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". >> >> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's >> >> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. >> >> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great >> >> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for >> >> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have >> >> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force >> >> > me into doing it their way. >> >> > >> >> > Kate >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they >> >> can "do it their way." >> > >> > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, >> > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have >> > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to >> > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me >> > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right >> > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I >> > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's >> > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn >> > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known >> > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own >> > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many >> > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a >> > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time >> > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became >> > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. >> > >> > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to >> > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared >> > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some >> > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! >> > >> > Kate >> > >> >> I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to >> dictate the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > What - you don't tell them how you want your steak cooked? > You just let them do it however they feel like it? When the degree of doneness of a dish is explicitly done to the diner's choice; e.g., steak, then of course I tell them, but it is invariably in response to them asking how I want it done. > > I'm sorry, but I just don't get that attitude. Just because > it's considered a "top quality restaurant" doesn't mean > that they know everything or that their way is the only > right way to do things. I sure don't want to go to a fancy > restaurant and pay a lot of money for a meal only to have > what and how I'm going to eat dictated to me. And what if > I'm only there because I'm with a group who wanted to go > there? Not my choice. Sure I could refuse to go but then > I would miss dining with my friends or family. So, I go > and they have this salmon dish that sounds good except for > the undercooking part and I look over the whole menu and > there's nothing else that speaks to me and besides I'm > really jonesing for salmon. Why shouldn't I be able to > ask that it be properly cooked, i. e. not rare for. It's > not a hard thing to do. And that sort of thing happens > with steak all the time - people ask for it rare, medium, > well, etc. It's not like I'm asking them to take a dish > that's alreay prepared - say chicken mushroom soup - and > pick out all the mushrooms for me. I would never do that. > But how hard is it to leave an ingredients out that hasn't > even been added yet? And as for doing it their way, well, > their way is only one way to do it. There are other legitimate > and equally delicious ways to do just about everything. > > Now, if I go to have one of their "specialties" then I'm probably > not going to ask for any changes, but you never know. It would > depend on whether or not I knew ahead of time how it was made > and what was in it. If it weren't to my taste I probably wouldn't > order it or even go there in the first place. But if I went > and found out that the Bananas Foster, unbeknownst to me > beforehand, contained something I didn't like and which could > easily be omitted, then I guess I'd go ahead and ask them > to omit it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. > > No, I might not just as well go to Denny's if I'm going > to do that. That's ridiculous. I would go to a > fancy restaurant because I want really high quality, > perfectly prepared food and am willing to pay for it. > I couldn't get that a Denny's. I don't go to the fancy > restaurant to be forced to have it their way, I go there > for the high quality ingredients and expert preparation. > And not for chef attitude or served attitude. That those > things may exist is unfortunate but I won't patronize a > restaurant like that no matter how "great" their food > and service is. It's a restaurant, okay? A service > business!!! Not the chef's home where I've been invited > to dinner and have to pretend to like everything the > way it's served. I'm there paying for a meal and I should > get it the way I like it, within reason. "within reason" is clearly the key, but I think we're at an impasse on the definition. > Kate > perfectly prepared food. -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Kate Connally > wrote in
: > Wayne wrote: >> >> Kate Connally > wrote in >> : >> >> > Peter Aitken wrote: >> >> >> >> "Kate Connally" > wrote in message >> >> ... >> >> > Goomba38 wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > Kate Connally wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > > You know, I did just this very thing but not to avoid a >> >> > > > service charge. I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's >> >> > > > in New Orleans and when I got the chance to go there I was >> >> > > > really excited. I couldn't wait to have the Bananas Foster. >> >> > > > I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my >> >> > > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both >> >> > > > on vacation in N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the >> >> > > > restaurant and are seated and the waiter comes to take our >> >> > > > order and I ask for separate checks. No deal! Huh? What's >> >> > > > the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so why >> >> > > > couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get >> >> > > > reimbursed by the other" comments - there are reasons - >> >> > > > okay?) So I'm furious. I ask to be seated at another table >> >> > > > nearby. They think I'm nuts. Too bad it didn't work. If it >> >> > > > had been a place where you didn't need a reservation months >> >> > > > in advance it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo >> >> > > > and Ralph's. It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is >> >> > > > probably not all it's cracked up to be anyway. :-) >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Kate >> >> > > >> >> > > That's really a depressing story. It is like you cut your >> >> > > own nose off to spite your face...very sad. I hope>> >> > > whatever is wrong between you and your family can be >> >> > > resolved so that you don't miss out on other nice things in >> >> > > years to come. >> >> > >> >> > Well, I don't feel that way about it. I just don't like >> >> > being pushed around by snooty restaurants or even non-snooty >> >> > ones! It was a matter of principle. And there is nothing >> >> > wrong between me and my family. If there were I would not >> >> > have been dining with them! The reasons for requesting >> >> > separate checks have nothing to do with a "family feud". >> >> > Don't feel sorry for me. I can always make my own Banana's >> >> > Foster from Brennan's own recipe so it's not a big deal. >> >> > And we had a great time at Kakoo and Ralph's and great >> >> > food. I had crab done 7 different ways, and except for >> >> > the soft-shell crab it was all delicious. I would have >> >> > actually felt worse about it if I had let Brennan's force >> >> > me into doing it their way. >> >> > >> >> > Kate >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> >> >> The very reason for going to a top quality restaurant is so they >> >> can "do it their way." >> > >> > I totally disagree. If I go there to have the house specialty, >> > like Bananas Foster, then, obviously, I'm going to "have >> > it their way", but if I just go there to eat and decide to >> > order salmon and they refuse to cook it properly for me >> > (as in *not* rare!), then I don't think they have the right >> > to tell me that's the only way they will cook it. And if I >> > want a dish without the mushrooms and it's not something that's >> > already made up with the mushrooms already in it then I damn >> > well will "have it *my* way". Of course if I had known >> > then, what I know now about both parties charging their own >> > portion on their own credit card, something I've done many >> > times in the last 10 or 12 years, it wouldn't have been a >> > problem, but they probably would have given me a hard time >> > about that, too, with my luck. I don't know when that became >> > a common practice. Anyway, this was almost 20 years ago. >> > >> > Anyway, as far as I am concerned the reason for going to >> > a "top quality" restaurant is so that I can have well-prepared >> > food and good service. Not to cater to the ego of some >> > wacked out chef who thinks his way is the only way! >> > >> > Kate >> > >> >> I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant where I felt the need to >> dictate the cooking method and ingredients to the chef. > > What - you don't tell them how you want your steak cooked? > You just let them do it however they feel like it? When the degree of doneness of a dish is explicitly done to the diner's choice; e.g., steak, then of course I tell them, but it is invariably in response to them asking how I want it done. > > I'm sorry, but I just don't get that attitude. Just because > it's considered a "top quality restaurant" doesn't mean > that they know everything or that their way is the only > right way to do things. I sure don't want to go to a fancy > restaurant and pay a lot of money for a meal only to have > what and how I'm going to eat dictated to me. And what if > I'm only there because I'm with a group who wanted to go > there? Not my choice. Sure I could refuse to go but then > I would miss dining with my friends or family. So, I go > and they have this salmon dish that sounds good except for > the undercooking part and I look over the whole menu and > there's nothing else that speaks to me and besides I'm > really jonesing for salmon. Why shouldn't I be able to > ask that it be properly cooked, i. e. not rare for. It's > not a hard thing to do. And that sort of thing happens > with steak all the time - people ask for it rare, medium, > well, etc. It's not like I'm asking them to take a dish > that's alreay prepared - say chicken mushroom soup - and > pick out all the mushrooms for me. I would never do that. > But how hard is it to leave an ingredients out that hasn't > even been added yet? And as for doing it their way, well, > their way is only one way to do it. There are other legitimate > and equally delicious ways to do just about everything. > > Now, if I go to have one of their "specialties" then I'm probably > not going to ask for any changes, but you never know. It would > depend on whether or not I knew ahead of time how it was made > and what was in it. If it weren't to my taste I probably wouldn't > order it or even go there in the first place. But if I went > and found out that the Bananas Foster, unbeknownst to me > beforehand, contained something I didn't like and which could > easily be omitted, then I guess I'd go ahead and ask them > to omit it. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. > > No, I might not just as well go to Denny's if I'm going > to do that. That's ridiculous. I would go to a > fancy restaurant because I want really high quality, > perfectly prepared food and am willing to pay for it. > I couldn't get that a Denny's. I don't go to the fancy > restaurant to be forced to have it their way, I go there > for the high quality ingredients and expert preparation. > And not for chef attitude or served attitude. That those > things may exist is unfortunate but I won't patronize a > restaurant like that no matter how "great" their food > and service is. It's a restaurant, okay? A service > business!!! Not the chef's home where I've been invited > to dinner and have to pretend to like everything the > way it's served. I'm there paying for a meal and I should > get it the way I like it, within reason. "within reason" is clearly the key, but I think we're at an impasse on the definition. > Kate > perfectly prepared food. -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Sorry, I'm jumping into this thread late. Kate wrote:
> I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's in New Orleans and when I got the > chance to go there I was really excited. I couldn't wait to have the > Bananas Foster. I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both on vacation in > N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the restaurant and are seated and > the waiter comes to take our order and I ask for separate checks. No > deal! Huh? What's the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so > why couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get reimbursed > by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) So I'm furious. I ask > to be seated at another table nearby. They think I'm nuts. Too bad it > didn't work. If it had been a place where you didn't need a reservation > months in advance it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and > Ralph's. It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all it's > cracked up to be anyway. :-) Bananas Foster is GREAT at Brennan's. But it's also good at The Palace Cafe (as it ought to be, since the full name of the restaurant is "Dickie Brennan's Palace Cafe). And I know for a fact that the Palace Cafe is willing to handle separate checks, because I was part of a party of fourteen who demanded such. I didn't see any mention of whether this reservation was for dinner. Over the last few years, I've spent a total of about 45 days in New Orleans, and I've had brunch at Brennan's at least a third of those days. I never needed a reservation. I suppose conditions might be different for dinner, so I'm going to assume that you were going there for dinner. I'm very surprised that you couldn't get separate checks. Heh...here's something to try next time: For each person who wants a separate check, have a separate reservation made. Arrive and get seated at separate tables, order a drink (which causes a check JUST FOR YOU to be created) then "spontaneously" discover your long-lost sister and her husband, who by incredible coincidence happen to be dining in that selfsame restaurant that evening. Tell the waiter that you want to be seated together. Bob |
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Sorry, I'm jumping into this thread late. Kate wrote:
> I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's in New Orleans and when I got the > chance to go there I was really excited. I couldn't wait to have the > Bananas Foster. I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both on vacation in > N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the restaurant and are seated and > the waiter comes to take our order and I ask for separate checks. No > deal! Huh? What's the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so > why couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get reimbursed > by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) So I'm furious. I ask > to be seated at another table nearby. They think I'm nuts. Too bad it > didn't work. If it had been a place where you didn't need a reservation > months in advance it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and > Ralph's. It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all it's > cracked up to be anyway. :-) Bananas Foster is GREAT at Brennan's. But it's also good at The Palace Cafe (as it ought to be, since the full name of the restaurant is "Dickie Brennan's Palace Cafe). And I know for a fact that the Palace Cafe is willing to handle separate checks, because I was part of a party of fourteen who demanded such. I didn't see any mention of whether this reservation was for dinner. Over the last few years, I've spent a total of about 45 days in New Orleans, and I've had brunch at Brennan's at least a third of those days. I never needed a reservation. I suppose conditions might be different for dinner, so I'm going to assume that you were going there for dinner. I'm very surprised that you couldn't get separate checks. Heh...here's something to try next time: For each person who wants a separate check, have a separate reservation made. Arrive and get seated at separate tables, order a drink (which causes a check JUST FOR YOU to be created) then "spontaneously" discover your long-lost sister and her husband, who by incredible coincidence happen to be dining in that selfsame restaurant that evening. Tell the waiter that you want to be seated together. Bob |
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Bob wrote:
> > Sorry, I'm jumping into this thread late. Kate wrote: > > > I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's in New Orleans and when I got the > > chance to go there I was really excited. I couldn't wait to have the > > Bananas Foster. I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both on vacation in > > N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the restaurant and are seated and > > the waiter comes to take our order and I ask for separate checks. No > > deal! Huh? What's the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so > > why couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get reimbursed > > by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) So I'm furious. I ask > > to be seated at another table nearby. They think I'm nuts. Too bad it > > didn't work. If it had been a place where you didn't need a reservation > > months in advance it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and > > Ralph's. It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all it's > > cracked up to be anyway. :-) > > Bananas Foster is GREAT at Brennan's. But it's also good at The Palace Cafe > (as it ought to be, since the full name of the restaurant is "Dickie > Brennan's Palace Cafe). And I know for a fact that the Palace Cafe is > willing to handle separate checks, because I was part of a party of fourteen > who demanded such. > > I didn't see any mention of whether this reservation was for dinner. Yes, it was dinner. I made a reservation because I was only going to be there that one time for one day and didn't want to take a chance on not getting in. But it would have been a good idea in any case. I guess if you're going to be there for 2 weeks you can always go back another time if they're full when you go. But for only one day I would always make a reservation no matter where. > Over > the last few years, I've spent a total of about 45 days in New Orleans, and > I've had brunch at Brennan's at least a third of those days. I never needed > a reservation. I suppose conditions might be different for dinner, so I'm > going to assume that you were going there for dinner. > > I'm very surprised that you couldn't get separate checks. Heh...here's > something to try next time: For each person who wants a separate check, have > a separate reservation made. Arrive and get seated at separate tables, order > a drink (which causes a check JUST FOR YOU to be created) then > "spontaneously" discover your long-lost sister and her husband, who by > incredible coincidence happen to be dining in that selfsame restaurant that > evening. Tell the waiter that you want to be seated together. Ha! Very clever! Well, if I ever get to NO again maybe I'll deliberately go to Brennan's just to pull that on them. :-) I like the idea of beating them at their own game. I have been to a couple of places that would take your order on the same check and then ring up the totals separately for each party wanting a separate check. I guess that would be a good way to do it if the main issue is having the kitchen get all the food out at the same time. Of course, nowadays we would each just figure up our own tab and give them both credit cards and tell them how much to charge to each one. Too bad I didn't know about that then. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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Bob wrote:
> > Sorry, I'm jumping into this thread late. Kate wrote: > > > I have always wanted to eat at Brennan's in New Orleans and when I got the > > chance to go there I was really excited. I couldn't wait to have the > > Bananas Foster. I made a reservation months in advance. I was meeting my > > sister and her husband there for dinner while we were both on vacation in > > N. O. at the same time. So, we get to the restaurant and are seated and > > the waiter comes to take our order and I ask for separate checks. No > > deal! Huh? What's the big deal? (I don't even want to hear all the "so > > why couldn't one or the other of you just pay the check and get reimbursed > > by the other" comments - there are reasons - okay?) So I'm furious. I ask > > to be seated at another table nearby. They think I'm nuts. Too bad it > > didn't work. If it had been a place where you didn't need a reservation > > months in advance it woulda worked. We ended up eating at Kakoo and > > Ralph's. It was great. Eh, their Bananas Foster is probably not all it's > > cracked up to be anyway. :-) > > Bananas Foster is GREAT at Brennan's. But it's also good at The Palace Cafe > (as it ought to be, since the full name of the restaurant is "Dickie > Brennan's Palace Cafe). And I know for a fact that the Palace Cafe is > willing to handle separate checks, because I was part of a party of fourteen > who demanded such. > > I didn't see any mention of whether this reservation was for dinner. Yes, it was dinner. I made a reservation because I was only going to be there that one time for one day and didn't want to take a chance on not getting in. But it would have been a good idea in any case. I guess if you're going to be there for 2 weeks you can always go back another time if they're full when you go. But for only one day I would always make a reservation no matter where. > Over > the last few years, I've spent a total of about 45 days in New Orleans, and > I've had brunch at Brennan's at least a third of those days. I never needed > a reservation. I suppose conditions might be different for dinner, so I'm > going to assume that you were going there for dinner. > > I'm very surprised that you couldn't get separate checks. Heh...here's > something to try next time: For each person who wants a separate check, have > a separate reservation made. Arrive and get seated at separate tables, order > a drink (which causes a check JUST FOR YOU to be created) then > "spontaneously" discover your long-lost sister and her husband, who by > incredible coincidence happen to be dining in that selfsame restaurant that > evening. Tell the waiter that you want to be seated together. Ha! Very clever! Well, if I ever get to NO again maybe I'll deliberately go to Brennan's just to pull that on them. :-) I like the idea of beating them at their own game. I have been to a couple of places that would take your order on the same check and then ring up the totals separately for each party wanting a separate check. I guess that would be a good way to do it if the main issue is having the kitchen get all the food out at the same time. Of course, nowadays we would each just figure up our own tab and give them both credit cards and tell them how much to charge to each one. Too bad I didn't know about that then. Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? |
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